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Russian Nuclear Scientists Arrested For 'Bitcoin Mining Plot' (bbc.com)

Russian security officers have arrested several scientists working at a top-secret Russian nuclear warhead facility for allegedly mining crypto-currencies, BBC reported Friday, citing local media. From the report: The suspects had tried to use one of Russia's most powerful supercomputers to mine Bitcoins, media reports say. The Federal Nuclear Centre in Sarov, western Russia, is a restricted area. The centre's press service said: "There has been an unsanctioned attempt to use computer facilities for private purposes including so-called mining." The supercomputer was not supposed to be connected to the internet -- to prevent intrusion -- and once the scientists attempted to do so, the nuclear centre's security department was alerted. They were handed over to the Federal Security Service (FSB), the Russian news service Mash says. "As far as we are aware, a criminal case has been launched against them," the press service told Interfax news agency.

84 comments

  1. Top Secret by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    Good thing this facility was Top Secret. I would hate to hear about what goes on inside.

    1. Re:Top Secret by tripleevenfall · · Score: 2

      In Soviet Russia, bitcoin mines YOU!

    2. Re:Top Secret by Sumus+Semper+Una · · Score: 5, Funny

      Also, in Soviet Russia, block chains you.

    3. Re:Top Secret by magarity · · Score: 2

      Good thing this facility was Top Secret. I would hate to hear about what goes on inside.

      One wonders how secret it can be if there are Getty Images of it.

    4. Re:Top Secret by 110010001000 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Top. That is how secret it is. Of all the secrets in the world, it is the top.

    5. Re:Top Secret by es330td · · Score: 1

      One wonders how secret it can be if there are Getty Images of it.

      Taking a picture of a computer tells you nothing of what is in it. Neither does a picture of Fort Know tell you how much gold it does (or doesn't) contain.

    6. Re: Top Secret by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Legend!

    7. Re:Top Secret by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Everyone knows the gold at Fort Know was sent to Fort Knox by the Bilderburgs a long time ago.

    8. Re:Top Secret by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      Good thing this facility was Top Secret. I would hate to hear about what goes on inside.

      One wonders how secret it can be if there are Getty Images of it.

      That photo was taken at a museum. Either that or Russian nuclear production facilities have some very interesting decorative choices. Of course, it could still be at the facility, just not a restricted access area.

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      The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
    9. Re:Top Secret by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Also, in Soviet Russia, bloc chains you.

      FTFY.

    10. Re:Top Secret by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Top. Secret.

    11. Re:Top Secret by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The really important secrets that they don't want anyone to know are buried at the bottom.

    12. Re: Top Secret by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is what happens when you pay your employees with vodka and potatoes.

    13. Re: Top Secret by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're now in Fort Knoy, soon to be moved to Fort Knoz but after that no-one knows.

    14. Re:Top Secret by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      Britain has some not so secret secret bases too... They even have sign posts pointing to them:

      http://www.exec-comms.com/Pict...

      --
      "That's the way to do it" - Punch
    15. Re: Top Secret by zantafio · · Score: 1

      In potatoes only, as any Russian is able to distill the potatoes into vodka.

    16. Re:Top Secret by magarity · · Score: 1

      That photo was taken at a museum. Either that or Russian nuclear production facilities have some very interesting decorative choices. Of course, it could still be at the facility, just not a restricted access area.

      It was taken at the facility... 60 years ago from the looks of it.

    17. Re:Top Secret by denzacar · · Score: 2

      In Soviet Russia, mining algorithm includes SALT!

      Cause you're in a Gulag salt mine.

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      Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
    18. Re:Top Secret by FudRucker · · Score: 1

      so does area51 (Groom Lake Nevada) even though there are signs pointing to it i dare anyone to go visit beyond the "No Trespassing" signs

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      Politics is Treachery, Religion is Brainwashing
    19. Re: Top Secret by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wouldn't KnoA be after that?

    20. Re:Top Secret by torkus · · Score: 1

      Your analogy fails miserable as most do.

      TBH a picture of a computer DOES tell you a fair bit about it. Having an idea of the power/cooling/size alone coupled with the approx tech level can give you a good approximation of the computing power.

      Now, it's Russia so it's probably just an Alienware box with fancy lights they imported illegally but let's give em a break. .000000001 BTC is still worth some rubles :)

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      You can get rich if you own a politician, but you have to be rich to buy one in the first place.
    21. Re:Top Secret by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      In the USA the lab secrets walk out to waiting spies from China for cash.
      In Russia secret cash generated by hard work in lab.

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      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    22. Re:Top Secret by war4peace · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure anyone knots.

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      ...gis sdrawkcab (usually not responding to ACs; don't bother posting as AC)
    23. Re:Top Secret by nickol · · Score: 1

      Also, in Soviet Russia coin beats you.

    24. Re:Top Secret by PingPongBoy · · Score: 1

      All dissatisfaction with communism and government interference aside, maybe it's time for government to build large scale cryptocurrency miners in order to reduce the energy inefficiency while earning more revenues. Government is always looking for revenues. People are always looking for a way to reduce taxes. Government is already facing the problem of building the power plants for the mining. Might as well go all the way and mine.

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      Know your pads. One time pad: good for cryptography. Two timing pad: where to take your mistress.
    25. Re: Top Secret by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mine Bitcoin to REDUCE energy inefficiency? You don't know how Bitcoin works... Inefficiency was a design goal.

  2. They wanted to mine? by DavidMZ · · Score: 4, Funny

    They will end up mining!

    1. Re:They wanted to mine? by tripleevenfall · · Score: 1

      To the pit of misery!

    2. Re:They wanted to mine? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      dilly! dilly!

  3. The Russians! have infilrated Slashdot!!! by Train0987 · · Score: 1

    "They were handed over to the Federal Security Service (FSB), the Russian news service Mash says."

    I knew it!!! MsMash is a Russian spy too!!!!

    1. Re:The Russians! have infilrated Slashdot!!! by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      It's short for "Microsoft Mash for Windows, 2018".

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      echo -e 'global _start\n _start:\n mov eax, 2\n int 80h\n jmp _start' > a.asm; nasm a.asm -f elf; ld a.o -o a;
    2. Re:The Russians! have infilrated Slashdot!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And here I thought "Mash" was the code name of an expensive audio cable...

  4. 'Bitcoin Mining Plot' by nospam007 · · Score: 2

    Wouldn't such a plot be called a 'claim'?

  5. Moon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When lada?

  6. They just wanted some research bux! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They were probably told to fund their own operation. My new ICO is called CoinBux!

    1. Re:They just wanted some research bux! by magarity · · Score: 1

      They were probably told to fund their own operation. My new ICO is called CoinBux!

      They were going to call theirs GlowCoin

    2. Re:They just wanted some research bux! by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      They were probably costing more in electric use than they were making in cryptocurrency (most miners aren't actually mining bitcoin, they just get paid in bitcoin).

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      I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
  7. reverse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In Soviet Bitkoinistan, the mine is in you.

  8. yeah right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The supercomputer was not supposed to be connected to the internet -- to prevent intrusion -- and once the scientists attempted to do so, the nuclear centre's security department was alerted.

    No way their security is that good. They got caught the old fashioned way, someone didn't keep their mouth shut.

  9. Makes me wonder .... by Miser · · Score: 2

    What would the hash rate be of a supercomputer mining Bitcoin?

    1. Re:Makes me wonder .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Given that when they say supercomputer they usually mean 1000s of networked computers, probably 3-4 orders of magnitude higher than a midrange intel server I would guess.

    2. Re:Makes me wonder .... by higuita · · Score: 2

      that was probably what they were trying to find ... ...and of course, if it was good, probably leave it running for a few hours^H^H^H^Hdays^H^H^H^Hweeks^H^HOHHH.MY.WE.ARE.RICH^W^Cquit^Wabort^C^Ccccccc... (sh*t the police is here)

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      Higuita
  10. Hard to hide by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

    Even if they'd got their operation up and running, neighboring towns would grow suspicious as all of their lights dimmed at the same time.

    --
    "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
    1. Re:Hard to hide by orlanz · · Score: 1

      I think the whole world would have noticed the sudden influx of coins from a single wallet.

  11. Re:In an ironic twist, it's Hillary!'s fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Oh, if only "But what about Hillary" were some kind of legal defense... Or even some kind of a logical argument, for that matter. I cannot wait to watch you snowflakes lose your minds when Trump & co. go to prison.

    Haven't been paying attention, have you?

    The "Trump/Russia collusion" narrative has fallen apart. If anyone goes to jail it'll likely be Strzok or others at the FBI who misled the FISA courts. And that would include known-leaker-of-classified-data Comey along with Rosenstein - they're among those that signed off on those fraudulent FISA warrant requests.

    The information in the paid-for-by-Clinton "Steele" dossier has been just about definitively traced back to the Clinton campaign - Sidney Blumenthal and Cody Shearer. And the FBI knew that, and still used the completely-uncorroborated "Steele" dossier as the basis for FISA warrants used to "reverse target" the Trump campaign.

    Oh, yeah - it also looks like Clinton got the "information" in the dossier from Russia's FSB.

    So WHO colluded with Russia?

    And nevermind the fact that UraniumOne bribery is still hanging out there and might very well blow up on Her Heinous.

  12. Blame the Russians... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For once I'd like to see "The Canadians did it".

    1. Re:Blame the Russians... by Locke2005 · · Score: 3, Funny

      The thing about Canucks is: they're smart enough to not get caught!

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      I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
  13. It's a real shame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That our best and most powerful computers are being used to print imaginary money instead of being used for research. Imagine if all the supercomputers in the world focused on cures instead.

    1. Re: It's a real shame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On the contrary, it's better that they're used for anything else instead of "top-secret Russian nuclear warheads".

    2. Re:It's a real shame by SpankiMonki · · Score: 1

      Imagine if all the supercomputers in the world focused on cures instead.

      Install BOINC and become part of the solution.

  14. Oh well... by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    That kills use of the cliche, "It doesn't take a nuclear scientist..."

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    I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
    1. Re:Oh well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kinda puts a new light on Chernobyl, if this is the caliber of nuclear scientists in Russia.

    2. Re:Oh well... by avandesande · · Score: 1

      One of the reasons to pay people in trusted positions a good salary is to to keep them on the straight and narrow. I doubt these guys were paid very well.

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      love is just extroverted narcissism
    3. Re:Oh well... by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Brain scientists and rocket surgeons would know better.

  15. bitcoin is barely relevant here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    they were arrested for connecting a top secret supercomputer to the internet. that is going to get you in trouble whether you're mining bitcoin or sharing cat memes.

    1. Re:bitcoin is barely relevant here. by MiniMike · · Score: 1

      I shudder to think what supercomputer-generated cat memes would consist of...

    2. Re:bitcoin is barely relevant here. by thomn8r · · Score: 1

      I shudder to think what supercomputer-generated cat memes would consist of...

      I can has teraflops?

  16. Re:In an ironic twist, it's Hillary!'s fault by Locke2005 · · Score: 0

    Please mod this "Off topic"!

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    I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
  17. Re:So the Russins have better security... by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

    Because there's a difference between a classified system and classified information - it's much easier to control a system than information. Hillary put classified information on a non-classified internet-connected system. There's no way to actively prevent someone from doing that, you can only monitor for it and clean up after it. For example, Donald Trump could spill classified information to the Russians in a meeting and OH WAIT

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    "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
  18. Desparate times, desparate measures by caseih · · Score: 1

    In more recent soviet days, as long as the scientists towed the party line they were treated pretty well, at least theoretically. Science was praised. Scientists were rewarded relatively well. Perhaps times have changed. This incident makes me wonder just how bad things are getting these days in Russia for scientists, economically. I would not be surprised if these guys were pretty poor off and decided to help themselves to some of the resources at their disposal. I'm just trying to understand what might have tempted these guys to use the super computer in this way. Unfortunately they appear to have brought the wrath of the state down on them.

    1. Re: Desparate times, desparate measures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      s/towed/toed/

    2. Re:Desparate times, desparate measures by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      Yeah, borrowing a super computer to make bitcoins is actually a pretty funny idea. At an academic supercomputer that'd be an awesome prank of sorts. Connecting an intentionally offline computer to the network to do so should've given them pause, though...

  19. Bomb photo [Re:Top Secret] by XXongo · · Score: 1

    One wonders how secret it can be if there are Getty Images of it.

    That photo was taken at a museum. Either that or Russian nuclear production facilities have some very interesting decorative choices. ....

    CBS news says (https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/which-countries-have-nukes/3/ ):
    "Here, a nuclear museum staffer cleans the first Soviet nuclear bomb, tested in 1949, just in front of the country's first thermonuclear bomb."
    CREDIT: Alexander Nemenov/AFP/Getty Images

    Yep, image is of a museum.

  20. Easy to do without oversight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Posting this anonymously, even though I'm pretty sure the statue of limitations is long past.

    Many years ago I got a job for SGI on site at big customer. This was back when the Origin 2000 was the new hotness. This site had a whole O2k buildout (3 or 4 racks worth of compute cores, 32 R10k MIPS processors clocked at around 200Mhz all connected via these thick cable bundles into a hypercube topology IIRC) purely for benchmarking and compatibility testing. They were used only sporadically. This was also the time when the distributed.net RSA cracking challenge was running. So obviously I set up a process that would run distributed.net across all of the cores, but would also monitor for any access to the machine and shut the whole thing down, not so much because I was trying to hide it but because I didn't want to impact any tests other people wanted to run. I also made it so I had to start it manually after verifying that the machine was truly idle. The only problem was that the machine had LEDs that indicated CPU activity, and when the process was running they would be full up, but as soon as someone logged in to investigate they would be gone. Luckily nobody who worked there was the suspicious type.

    After one long weekend I came back to discover that my aggregation machine (The O2k didn't talk directly to distributed.net servers, I ran a local server to cut down on the internet traffic) had suffered a drive failure and had been down for several days. I took the morning to get the aggregation server restarted and working. A couple of days later one of my friends mentioned that I was #3 for that day on the distributed.net statistics page. Oops.

    1. Re:Easy to do without oversight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude - if you ever lived in Louisiana, I know you. You got me a MooseHead (O2's code-names were beers) to play with. Fun times. -T

    2. Re:Easy to do without oversight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hah, did the same with all our dev servers from 4 employers ago. Whenever no devs were logged in, it crunched distributed.net stuff. As soon as someone logged in, it paused. At some point someone was investigating some performance issues with code and started tracking CPU usage 24/7, then found the process after noticing the spikes when the servers weren't doing normal work. I just told them what it was and what it did and that it never interfered with work and I was getting no profit from it, other than to show how weak current crypto was (the RSA project's point). No disciplinary action whatsoever, other then I was told to take it off all of the servers. I had nowhere near the CPU as what you had, but 30 or so Intel processors.

  21. Governments... by CRB9000 · · Score: 1

    Governments really hate when you use their equipment for private purposes. Especially if you are making money, making drugs, or...

    1. Re:Governments... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      s/Governments/employers/g

  22. Re:So the Russins have better security... by bobbied · · Score: 1

    Donald Trump could spill classified information to the Russians in a meeting and OH WAIT

    You do understand that Trump can legally do that because all classified information is classified on authority delegated by president. He literally has the ultimate say here. So, the President can declassify anything at any time for any reason and had said information to anyone, legally. All classified information is kept under Executive Order 13526 which was enacted by Obama in 2009.

    Now you may not think it's a good idea to disclose specific information, but the President has the legal authority to discuss classified information with anyone he chooses.

    --
    "File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
  23. Bottom Secret? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So... Bottom Secret then?

  24. Re:So the Russins have better security... by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

    Yes it's a fun little factoid that he didn't illegally reveal classified information in the process of revealing above-top-secret information to an adversarial power while bragging about obstructing justice. And he didn't use emails either! Email security is serious business.

    --
    "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
  25. It's Not About the Legal Authority by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Prattling on about how what Trump did was "legal" simply avoids the real issue. Was it wise? Was it strategic? Was it Presidential?

    The answers were No, No, and No respectively. Big Giant Orange Head did a stupid thing and caused nothing but consternation, in the Administration, in the Three Letter Agencies, in the military, and among the citizens. Oh, and among allied nations as well.

    "Legal" indeed! Go get a neck tattoo and we'll discuss whether that is "legal"!

    1. Re: It's Not About the Legal Authority by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, HRC failed the legal question, along with all yours.

  26. Re:So the Russins have better security... by bobbied · · Score: 1

    LOL.. Way to let that partisan bias show... No sense in trying to hide it I guess, this is Slashdot after all...

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    "File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
  27. Russian criminal cases by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are "aroused" not "launched" or "opened". Direct translations are the best.

  28. The most relevant question is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What was their Mhash/s?

  29. I agree with the Russian Govt on this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It doesn't matter what country is involved here.

    When a company issues me a laptop that laptop is my responsibility and it is expected to be used for business purposes. I am NOT allowed to use it for personal endeavors such as mining crypto currency.

    The Russians have this great big computer for use by the government in a secret security-type way. It's very important that the computer is NOT connected in any way to the internet at large.

    These people violated both instances here: Using it for personal gain and connecting it to the internet. The country is irrelevant in this situation.