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Budget Deal Has Tax Credit Extensions For Nuclear, Fuel Cells, Carbon Capture (arstechnica.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: A two-year budget deal was approved by the House and the Senate this morning and signed by President Trump a few hours later. The budget (PDF) included a slew of tax credit extensions that will affect how the energy industry plans its next two years. Most notably, the deal extended a $0.018 per-kWh credit for nuclear power plants over 6,000MW -- a tax credit that is primarily going to benefit one project in the US. That project is the construction of two new reactors at the Georgia Vogtle nuclear power plant.

Interestingly, a bipartisan effort to increase and extend tax credits for carbon sequestration passed through this budget. The bill was pushed through by Senators Heidi Heitkamp (D-N.D.), Shelley Moore Capito (R-W.V.), Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.), and John Barrasso (R-Wyo.). The bill would offer a tax credit per ton of carbon dioxide that is captured and either sequestered, used for another end product, or used for enhanced oil recovery. The credit applies to any facility that started carbon capture construction within the past seven years, and the credit extends for 12 years.

While the budget deal leaves the federal tax credit scheme for electric vehicles unchanged (automakers can still entice buyers with a $7,500 credit for the first 200,000 electric vehicles that roll off that automaker's line), the budget did include and extend some interesting tax credits for other kinds of non-traditional energy. Fuel cell vehicles saw an extension of tax credits that will allow purchasers of new cars a tax credit of between $4,000 and $40,000, depending on the weight of the vehicle (this is probably good news for potential customers of Nikola's in-development fuel-cell semis). Non-hydrogen alternative fuel infrastructure also scored, as the new budget lets installers of infrastructure for alternative fuels like biodiesel and natural gas deduct 30 percent of the cost of installing the new pumps. Two-wheeled electric vehicle buyers will also see a 10-percent credit extended (though that credit has a $2,500 cap). Per-gallon biodiesel and renewable diesel credits that expired at the end of 2017 will continue.

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  1. Nuclear credit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So, will the nuclear credit cover the billions of dollars of cost in regulatory and judicial delays to nuclear construction? Nuclear is competitive; malicious politics is very expensive.

  2. What do they have against solar/wind power? by RyanFenton · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Carbon capture? Really? As in the fig leaf that defines 'clean coal'?

    I understand that the perfect shouldn't be the enemy of the good - but the whole clean coal thing mostly marketing for essentially free-wheeling carbon spewing, rather than an actual process to prevent environmental degredation.

    It's like one of those phone calls for police/firefighter funerals - that when asked only give "up to" 15% of their take to their cause - they're PRETENDING to give to something you want to help, eating up all the good will that should be going to something the public wants to help, consuming that good will while the actual cause withers.

    Sure - carbon capture can take a small percentage off of some effects of carbon spewing - but it only exists to pretend that you're doing something about a fundamentally wrong approach for our shared efforts as humans. It's basically the opposite of actually doing anything for the environment and the future of humanity - a fig leaf instead of clothing.

    Ryan Fenton

    1. Re:What do they have against solar/wind power? by Mashiki · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Wind and Solar require that you place them in either exactly right area, or have high-uptime year round. Hell you can look in California and Texas over the last 40 years and find millions of dead solar farms and wind farms. They don't survive here because we already have cheap energy. In most cases they require massive subsidies in order to operate as well. North America is resource rich, very resource rich. It is cheaper to build a dam, and flood thousands of KM of land then it is to build windmills in mountain passes. Use the coal in the ground, build nuclear power plants well anywhere, lots of places to do that even in Western Canada.

      Keep this in mind, because I'll now explain what drives people against green energy. In Ontario(again very resource rich), the government believed that handing huge tax breaks and giving massive payouts to get these things off the ground was a great idea. So to be viable, you could see rates where they were paid by the IESO upwards of $1.50kWh, most were in the $0.70-0.90kWh range. It broke the market. The price for electricity before they started paying these companies and microfits money hand over fist was around $0.09kWh at peak, off-peak $0.035-0.068kWh. 10 years later the peak because the entire province(mainly non-businesses) now pay $0.185kWh. The price that is still paid to these green energy boondongles is still in the $0.30-0.76kWh range.

      This is what happened: Electricity rates are so high, that the government had to put into law that winter disconnection wasn't allowed. It does get down to -35C here most winters. Then there's the stories like this: The system is so broken because of green energy that people are making the "roof vs heat" choice. This is what happens when extreme poverty and high electricity prices collide(2016/2017) and the charities which pay for heating ran out of money in December of 2016. Most charities got more money this year, but again most will run out of funding by February. That still leaves, March and April, and possibly May(it can get as cold as -10C even here in Southern Ontario as late as May 24th - which most people consider the actual end of winter, it can also be 27C enjoy Canada yet?).

      Ontario is interesting, because the government is very anti-industrial anything. Their entire economic policy was based on driving businesses out of the province and pushing 'service' jobs. So now you have people working 2-3 sometimes 4 PT-jobs to make ends meet, in a family that that's both parents working 3PT jobs and barely making ends meet in most of the province. Now, toss in those 30k illegals from the US? This is where it gets fun, because those people who couldn't even work or afford housing were being thrown out of low-income housing to put illegals up in them. FYI the average wait-time in most of Ontario for low-income housing is between 4 and 8 years.

      And I'm sure someone is going to go, hur-dur it's all them conservatives fault. Sorry guys, this is 100% right on the Liberal Party of Ontario which has been in power since the early 00's.

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    2. Re:What do they have against solar/wind power? by blindseer · · Score: 2

      I remember a prominent figure in nuclear power saying once, "If we can't be as cheap as coal then why bother?" That was Leslie Dewan, as I recall, though she may not have come up with it first.

      I'll hear the claim that wind and solar are as cheap as coal. Assuming that is true then what of the storage needed to make it reliable? If wind and solar cannot be as reliable as coal then why bother?

      Also, do you believe that storage technology will allow wind and solar to compete? I have my doubts. A common complaint of nuclear power is that it cannot respond to shifting demands quickly enough and that if there is a problem at the nuclear power plant then they will need on site power for things like pumps, computers, sensors, lights, and so on. What better way to address this than a big battery? That was what allowed the nuclear reactors at Fukushima to melt down, the backup batteries ran down and they were rendered blind on what was actually happening in the containment building. The reactor containment survived the tsunami. It's quite possible the reactor was damaged to the point it could not produce power again but they had cooling for the reactors but no power to run the pumps.

      Still not convinced? What of natural gas? We could cut in half the CO2 output from coal boiler power plants by replacing them with natural gas boilers. This has the same problem of the nuclear power plant though, it can't shift power output quickly enough to match usage. This means burning natural gas in less efficient turbines or.... having storage. That big battery in Australia performed superbly to keep the electric grid stable when they had that coal plant shut down unexpectedly, so this storage technology is highly useful for every energy source, even coal.

      This storage will cost money. For wind and solar to be cheaper than coal then the costs of the storage as part of the system needs to be included. This need for storage is "conveniently" left out on the claims that wind and solar being cheaper than coal. If wind and solar were honestly cheaper than coal then the combinations of market forces and public relations would be more than enough to shut down every coal plant overnight and see them replaced with wind and solar.

      You know what? Maybe you are correct, this is all about money for special interests. The government is just rolling out pork to prop up legacy energy because wind, solar, and storage are so wonderfully successful that they don't need any government hand outs. Shouldn't that make you happy?

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  3. The budget includes everything anyone asked for by Hal_Porter · · Score: 3, Informative

    E.g. there's a shitload of extra cash for the military

    https://www.politico.com/story...

    Friday's pact, signed by President Donald Trump, adds $165 billion to the Pentagon budget over two years. That means the military will receive at least $1.4 trillion in total through September 2019 to help buy more fighter planes, ships and other equipment, boost the size of the ranks, and beef up training - a level of funding that seemed a long shot just months ago.

    Senate Armed Services Chairman John McCain (R-Ariz.), who has long pushed for a $700 billion annual budget for the military, said in a statement that the agreement finally gives the Pentagon the "budget certainty it needs to begin the process of rebuilding the military."

    "The deal is a huge win for defense hawks," said Mackenzie Eaglen of the American Enterprise Institute. "The groundwork was being laid for years culminating in what I predict will be the peak year of defense spending since the last peak in 2010."

    Basically the deal is that everyone gets what they want and the deficit goes through the stratosphere. GO USA!

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    1. Re:The budget includes everything anyone asked for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And Rand Paul is considered an extremist for opposing it.

    2. Re:The budget includes everything anyone asked for by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Basically the deal is that everyone gets what they want and the deficit goes through the stratosphere. GO USA!

      So kind of like 2009, except for the everybody part?

    3. Re:The budget includes everything anyone asked for by stabiesoft · · Score: 4, Insightful

      one difference, in 09 we were on the verge of a collapse like the great depression. Now we are in moderate economic growth. During times like these is when you should start to prepare for the next downturn by reducing debt, not increasing it.

  4. Re:so planting trees gets us tax credit by ClickOnThis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    not bad, what's the ##

    What's the ... catch?

    Reforestation is important, not just to capture carbon but also to replace trees lost to logging, development, fires, disease, and pests.

    The catch is that trees take a long time to grow. So they are only part of the solution to all of the above. Managing existing forests carefully has to be considered also.

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  5. Re:so planting trees gets us tax credit by pubwvj · · Score: 2, Informative

    Not just planting trees but also growing them and harvesting them - in other words sustainable forestry.

    Even better than trees, in terms of carbon sequestering, is pasture. Pasture sucks up far more carbon than forest and then our livestock turns that biomass (grass, clover, etc) into delicious meat. Green eggs and ham. This too is carbon sequestering.

    Those are both part of what we do on our farm but I doubt that there will be any tax benefit.

  6. Re:Deficit spending should be illegal.- and GOP sa by blindseer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If Democrats cared about the environment they'd have kicked Carter in the balls for holding up nuclear power. The Democrats have held up nuclear power since Carter signed the law that created the Department of Energy. They spent all this money on a cabinet level department to solve our energy problems and we've not seen a new nuclear power plant in 40 years.

    If the issue is energy independence, clean air and water, and reducing our carbon dioxide output then they've failed miserably. This is because of the Democrats. They complain about not having a place to put nuclear waste and when a place is found and construction starts the Democrats pull out the rug from under its feet.

    Which also gets to the wasteful spending from the Democrats. They'll "create jobs" and "build infrastructure" on a nuclear waste site but when it comes time to actually put nuclear waste there then everyone is fired, the site abandoned, and we have nothing to show for all that money spent.

    I don't like the Republicans, but the Democrats are no angels either. The Democrats had a hand in deficit spending too, like building roads to a nuclear waste site they had no intention on allowing to actually hold nuclear waste.

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  7. Re:Trump by Barsteward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    he hasn't earned it yet but he is using the german national party's tactic of making the small minded fear immigrants and non-native people by saying they are to blame for all the problems - that was their first baby steps into becoming the Nazis

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  8. Re: Trump by SirSlud · · Score: 2

    This budget is going to make it nigh impossible for all three of those points to be true in 10 years.

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