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Google's Next Android Overhaul Will Embrace iPhone's 'Notch' (bloomberg.com)

Posted by msmash on from the up-next dept.

Google is working on a "dramatic redesign" of its Android operating system, Bloomberg reported on Monday. The company has stuck with a single look for its mobile operating system (OS) for quite some time now, but it's now reportedly looking at Apple for inspiration. The new version of Android -- which Bloomberg says is called "Pistachio Ice Cream" internally -- will apparently be designed with the space for a cutout at the top, much like the iPhone X and its so-called "notch." From the report: The operating system refresh, Android P, will emphasize Google's Assistant, a digital helper that competes with Apple's Siri and Amazon.com's Alexa. Developers will be able to integrate Google's voice-based technology inside of their apps. The company has also weighed integrating the search bar on the Android home screen with its assistant, although neither of these changes are finalized for introduction this year, according to one of the people familiar with the situation.

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  1. Good luck on that one... by ctilsie242 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Apple can do a notch because they know the dimensions on what their sensor array is going to be. With Android, this is a different story. An inexpensive phone may just have an IR sensor and a low-end camera. A more expensive phone might have more front facing stuff. Will this be a one size fits all notch, or something that is wider/narrower depending on the device? If it is one size fits all, that may hurt hardware makers. If it is variable, that would stomp on devs trying to make their apps have the right dimensions and contribute to the complaints of fragmentation.

    I wonder how Google will handle this.

    1. Re:Good luck on that one... by jellomizer · · Score: 0

      In essence the notch space is just used for a menu location. Being that most Application have a menu bar with a lot of white space. the notch is enough to fit probably up to 4 top level menu options. with the stuff in the middle. I expect smaller notches will just have a little more white space. Apples interface may display some info on both sides of the notch, using a drag down gesture for extra options depending on which side of the notch you are doing the gesture.

      For the most part the notch is a good idea, utilizing space for display and interaction where it would had normally just be dead space. However we are mostly trained to interact with devices in a rectangle space. Having a notch we don't see as extra display space, but a cut taken out of our display space.

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    2. Re:Good luck on that one... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Informative

      The Essential Phone has a small notch and runs Android. So clearly it was possible with a bit of work and it looks like Google is just formalizing support for it. Presumably the width of the notch will be manufacturer defined.

      BTW, the Essential Phone was released before the iPhone X. In any case, I doubt anyone is copying anyone here, it's just a question of LCD manufacturers starting to offer non-rectangular shapes. Started with aircraft and car manufacturers wanting round LCDs to replace dials, and then smartwatches.

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    3. Re:Good luck on that one... by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I wonder how Google will handle this.

      I really hope they handle it by throwing in the towel and relegating those ugly notches to the dustbin of history where they belong.

    4. Re:Good luck on that one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      all phones already have different physical dimensions and cases... why does it matter that they are not all the same?

    5. Re:Good luck on that one... by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      Make the notch dimensions a declared variable. Leave the value to the manufacturer.

      This is hard, right?

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    6. Re:Good luck on that one... by cerberusss · · Score: 1

      I'm an iOS developer and it's handled as follows.

      The graphics toolkit is called UIKit. All stuff on the screen (buttons, textfields, everything) descends from a class called UIView. The screen itself is a view, let's call it the main view.

      So anyway, all UIView instances have four anchors (top/bottom/left/right). You can hang these anchors to other anchors, to the edge of the main view, or to the safeAreaLayoutGuide of the main view. And that safeAreaLayoutGuide is the biggest square area of the main view. Meaning, the bottom of the notch is basically the top of the safeAreaLayoutGuide.

      That's all there is to it.

      Where I do see a problem, is that some Android phones have very small notches, just covering a camera. If you use the iOS approach, you'll have a lot of wasted space.

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    7. Re:Good luck on that one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really. I don't care. I bought an unlock Moto G, made at that time by Google, which I expected to be able to upgrade the OS from time to time. The phone works fine. No, I need a 'carrier' to download the upgrade. Do I need to visit Acer to get software or OS downloads? You go to the source. That was Google's Motorola. Now it belongs to some Chinese company (starts with an L). Can I get a software update? No. 'We don't support that anymore'. It appears too difficult to recompile source code.

      On the other side of the coin it's a phone and works fine. The first thing I did on buying it was to unload/disable a bunch of junk applications. Then I bought a face plate to protect it. Voting with my feet. The notch concept is ... eye candy. Big deal.

    8. Re:Good luck on that one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > notch will be manufacturer defined.

      Can it it somehow be detected based on physical screen dimensions? I assume each pixel is addressable, so it shouldn't be too hard to build a "map" of the screen and move things to the appropriate place.

  2. Dramatic is the right word. by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 5, Funny

    So of all of Apple's ideas, they decided to copy that atrocity...

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    1. Re:Dramatic is the right word. by mentil · · Score: 1

      Not sure where the notch hate is coming from. Instead of taking up pixels at the top of the display that could be used for anything, notification icons are now using a tiny amount of space that is unable to fit a full-width image anyway. Thus, putting the icons there means you have MORE vertical display space free for the main image. I'm way more miffed about getting rid of the home button and having to use gestures for all of its functions, in the name of killing the bezel; a 3d touch soft button at the bottom might've been better.

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    2. Re:Dramatic is the right word. by rot16 · · Score: 1

      I want my next mobile phone to have a bezel. My old HTC One Mini 2 has two non-glass bars both at top and bottom, also the glass does not touch the sides. I have dropped it numerous times, the glass never broke. I hope there will be options with modern CPUs when it's time to upgrade.

    3. Re:Dramatic is the right word. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't question apple hate! Apple is evil, the devil. All hail Google and the CIA!

    4. Re:Dramatic is the right word. by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      To be fair, can you think of any recent Apple "feature" that would not have provoked this response?

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    5. Re:Dramatic is the right word. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They already copied the rest so...

    6. Re:Dramatic is the right word. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, don't worry; they've been copying Apple's ideas since 2007. This is just a remarkably bad one that they are copying.

    7. Re:Dramatic is the right word. by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2

      Maybe not. I wasn't all that happy with the demise of the 3.5mm jack, but at least the new iPhone is sort of waterproof now, and I got a pair of Airpods... Now there's a product that looks, feels and works like old-school Apple stuff.

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    8. Re:Dramatic is the right word. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not sure where the notch hate is coming from

      Bullshit, you already know the answer to that. Ask almost anyone (only hardcore Apple fans excluded) and they'll tell you it looks retarded and it would suck if their phone had a chunk of the screen missing.

    9. Re:Dramatic is the right word. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Depends on the size of the notch. The iPhone notch is terrible for two reasons: first, the obvious, is that it looks bad. Part of this is because Apple decided that the notch must stand out, and their user interface guide requires that the display to the left and right of the notch must be colored and cannot be black. (Except, of course, when it can. Since this is Slashdot and someone will point out that there are times when it is left black, I'll clarify that they say that it must "match the rest of the app" so if the entire app is black or a screen element that is black is behind it, that's OK. But if your app has a blue background, the notch must also be blue.)

      The second, somewhat less obvious one is that it's huge and Apple has to remove elements from the status bar to get it to fit. Gone are "minor" things like the Bluetooth indicator and battery percentage indicator, because they don't fit. Also gone is the display of which cellular network you're on, although I can't tell if that ever displayed anything useful. (Does it display the network you're on or does it display the network your SIM card is for? No one seems to be sure.)

      Remember that the iPhone X has no headphone jack. Because of the notch, the battery indicator for Bluetooth headphones isn't shown because it doesn't fit. How much battery life do your now-required Bluetooth headphones have left? Good question, because your iPhone X won't tell you! (Unless you've enabled the "battery" widget, of course. Or know the secret gesture that causes it to display the old status bar below the notch.)

      People hate the notch on the iPhone X because it's poorly designed. Really the entire iPhone X is poorly designed - you can find plenty of horror stories about it if you go looking.

    10. Re:Dramatic is the right word. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it does not show battery status for connected bluetooth device on the status bar even on iPhone 7+. stop your bulls*t

    11. Re:Dramatic is the right word. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes it does, but your connected Bluetooth headphones have to support it. That little battery icon and the Bluetooth icon are entirely missing on the iPhone X, because they don't fit. Unless you know The Secret to view the original iOS status bar as it would display on a regular iPhone. (The secret is that Control Center shows the regular iOS status bar when visible. I'm assuming it's supposed to and that's not a bug, but who knows. Of course accessing Control Center on the iPhone X is also a well hidden secret, with the handle for it only visible on the lock screen.)

    12. Re:Dramatic is the right word. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The LG V series already has something similar. The second screen at the top. It works great and doesn't look stupid like the notch. It can also display independently of the main screen, meaning you can see notifications with the screen off.

  3. Makes sense by RavenLrD20k · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because I use devices that compete with Apple with interfaces and features that I prefer to use over anything Apple offers, that MUST mean that I want the platform I use to mimic Apple!

    God dammit!

    1. Re:Makes sense by jareth-0205 · · Score: 1

      Because I use devices that compete with Apple with interfaces and features that I prefer to use over anything Apple offers, that MUST mean that I want the platform I use to mimic Apple!

      God dammit!

      Yeah... nobody wants this. But if the OS is going to support many different devices and manufacturers, it probably needs to have support for weird shaped displays because otherwise the manufacturers will make up their own. I'd rather they proactively do this than wait until there are 10 different implementations like we had with fingerprint security.

    2. Re:Makes sense by SeanAD · · Score: 0

      The whole premise of the Android OS is exactly that: mimicing Apple:

      http://photos2.insidercdn.com/...

    3. Re:Makes sense by dbialac · · Score: 2

      Yep. Now everyone can have a phone that looks like something from "There, I Fixed It".

    4. Re: Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude I had that look years before apple even thought of it. Look op the Sony Ericsson p series

  4. Oh, FFS by enjar · · Score: 2

    First they copied the stupid "headphone jack delete" idea, now this nonsense. Guess I'll just keep putting batteries in my 6P as they wear since they are evidently out of fresh ideas and have started copying bugs made into features.

    1. Re:Oh, FFS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Android has a long history of copying iOS designs. iOS has a long history of eventually implementing Android features.

      And the zealots of each refuse to acknowledge one of the above sentences while holding tightly to the other.

    2. Re:Oh, FFS by djlemma · · Score: 3, Insightful

      AGREED.

      Removing useful features and giving me more features I have no interest in is NOT progress.

      Give me a phone with plenty of battery life, storage capacity, and the ability to interface with all the things I already own, and I'm happy. But, marketers gotta market, I guess.

    3. Re:Oh, FFS by SuperDre · · Score: 1

      Except Apple weren't the ones who had the idea of the notch first (again a rip-off of other designers), it was an android phone called essential which had it first (way before anything was known about the iPhone X).. And Apple also wasn't the first with the removal of the 3.5 jack, some cheapass android phones already were shipped without it, and to me it certainly is no loss, haven't used it on any of my phones, and never will.

    4. Re:Oh, FFS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quite the contrary here, I use this jack almost daily.
      Not for a headphone but to connect to an old WIFI and play radio and Spotify, very useful.

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    5. Re:Oh, FFS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Xiaomi Mi A1

      Battery lasts about a day and half with moderate usage (including HD video streaming and some gaming), comes with 64gb of internal storage as well as an mSD card slot that can also be used for adoptable storage, and ships with stock Android that you can fuck with all you like, plus it still has a headphone jack. The only caveat is that the battery isn't user-replaceable (at least not with a decent toolset and a long afternoon), but even then you can get a battery bank for the cost of a spare battery or cheaper.

    6. Re:Oh, FFS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Essential might have got to market first, but obviously the iPhone X's design was finalized long before the Essential was made public.

    7. Re:Oh, FFS by cyberchondriac · · Score: 2

      Finally someone has said it, thank you. The tribal mindset over smartphones is idiotic and second only to the tribal mindset of politics.
      The both copy from each other, they both have pros and cons, but far more pros.
      I happen to use both (one personal, one issued by work) and frankly, as an old fart, the whole idea of a small pocket sized slab of a computer with a killer color display that can play HD movies, take quality digital pictures, make phone calls, play music, and connect to a world wide network through the air is pretty damn impressive; certainly the stuff of dreams and science fiction when I was a kid.
      I remember having a dream when I was a young kid, somewhere around the late '60s or early '70s, where I was walking though a dept store and I had a Magic 8 ball in my hand except where the round prediction window was it was a little round television screen. That was so cool, that as I woke up my hands were groping underneath my pillow searching for it. When I fully woke up and realized it was just a dream, I was crushed. Today we have something far better, for real. The hate just isn't justified.

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    8. Re:Oh, FFS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So unless YOU want it, it's useless, and shouldn't be done.

      I'm very glad that absolutely nobody designs products that way.

    9. Re:Oh, FFS by kalpol · · Score: 1

      Not here - I use the headphone jack constantly in my car, for my stereos, and oh yeah, for headphones. A phone without a jack is a phone I am not buying.

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    10. Re: Oh, FFS by Brockmire · · Score: 1

      Obviously? Fuck off. Citation needed.

    11. Re: Oh, FFS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All it takes is common sense. Essential premiered it's phone in May 2017. iPhone X was announced in Sep 2017.

    12. Re:Oh, FFS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      except Apple pioneered neither the lack of a headphone jack nor the notch for sensors. those are both Android originals. In fact just look at the very first Android phone, it didn't have a headphone jack...and I hated it for that.

  5. Nooooo by fubarrr · · Score: 2

    >will apparently be designed with the space for a cutout at the top, much like the iPhone X and its so-called "notch"

    NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!

  6. Already done by Merk42 · · Score: 2

    iPhone previously showed the current time in the middle, and thus, had to be changed for iPhone X's 'notch'. Android doesn't show anything there to begin with, which is why phones like Essential, were able to have a similar, albeit much smaller, notch.

    1. Re:Already done by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      "already done" is a strange way of describing a single phone making a custom workaround to the Android OS which shown no awareness of anything that may protrude onto the screen.

    2. Re:Already done by Merk42 · · Score: 1

      "Already done" is a strange way of describing something that has already been done?

    3. Re:Already done by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Only if you don't read past the first two words I wrote.

    4. Re:Already done by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      Only if you don't read past the first two words I wrote.

      So everyone agrees, then; it's already been done.

  7. copying second place?! by Blymie · · Score: 1

    Apple hardware is very much is second place... by a VERY long margin.

    Android is a resounding success, and people buying Android devices are -- guess what? Choosing NOT to buy Apple products.

    Obviously there is going to be some back and forth of ideas, but if someone at Google thinks that Android needs to 'be more like Apple', well.. the sales very much don't warrant that. If people wanted a 'notch', they'd buy an Apple device...

    1. Re:copying second place?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Second place in what? Market share? Yes. Profits? No.

    2. Re:copying second place?! by Blymie · · Score: 1

      Apple is very much in second place, if you look at the profits of the ENTIRE Android ecosystem. Everyone that makes Android devices.

      And you need to do that, because we're discussing 'phone usage/purchase' numbers' not 'single company profits'.

      It's the same reason that the PC market has far larger profits than Apple. Because it's so huge. Massive.

    3. Re:copying second place?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Well...no, that's completely backwards. Apple's profits are larger than the entire Android ecosystem combined.

    4. Re:copying second place?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There may technically be more Android devices out there, but as a developer the majority of your revenue is going to come from Apple. Android people are cheap, which is why they flock to phones with piracy as a feature. They don't buy apps, and they don't even download many apps. You can make your app completely free, and it's still going to have less Play Store downloads than iOs. Android is bad, and it's user are bad.

    5. Re:copying second place?! by dbialac · · Score: 1

      Mind you, this is Apple's current cycle is to bring out a shittier and shittier phone and raise the price because fewer and fewer people want one. At a certain point, that stops working because people stop buying. For perspective, Apple had to cut sales forecasts for the iPhone X by 40% (50 million to 30 million) because demand was so weak.

    6. Re:copying second place?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      which means they spent very little on manufacturing the devices, n'est pas?

    7. Re:copying second place?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Massive! Huge!

      Words that describe how wrong you are.

    8. Re:copying second place?! by Blymie · · Score: 1

      Well, quite a few smartphone manufacturers don't actually provide revenue/profit information. Chinese companies? Nope.

      What you're reading are glorified press releases, otherwise you'd see that mentioned clearly.

    9. Re:copying second place?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And so we should take the word of some rando slashdot poster over the analysts who track this stuff for a living?

      Do a little reading on the subject (asymco is one good site, but there are others).
      Once you understand that a single iPhone X is more profitable than 100 low-end Androids, you'll see the irrelevance of sales volume.

    10. Re:copying second place?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your phone claim is false. Apple's gross margins are higher than anyone else's. The only Android phone that even comes close to the iPhone X is the Pixel, and Google barely makes any profits off that. Samsung's in 3rd place. The only reason it hasn't dropped to 4th with its exploding phones and Bixby trainwreck is because the others Asian phone makers are in even worse shape and have resorted to layoffs in recent months.
      Your PC claim is also false. Desktop PC and consumer laptop margins are razor thin compared to Apple's margins. Apple's able to charge a premium because they're a premium brand marketing to customers who value functionality and reliability over cheapness. It's a lot like Lexus versus Mitsubishi.

    11. Re:copying second place?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't have the first fucking clue what you're talking about.

      As pointed out in another reply, Apple dominates the mobile space in terms of overall profits. It's not even remotely close. 83% vs Samsung in second place at 12.9%. (Your objections to those numbers are laughable. Please tell us what companies not reporting profits could possibly make a dent in these numbers compared to the likes of Apple and Samsung)

      Second, you're wrong about the PC market too! With only 7% market share, Apple is taking 60% of profits, more than every PC maker combined.

      You're as wrong as wrong can be. An adult will own up to it and learn from the experience, an insecure intellectual coward will double down on his idiocy and refuse to admit error. Which are you?

    12. Re:copying second place?! by Arkham · · Score: 1

      Apple is very much in second place, if you look at the profits of the ENTIRE Android ecosystem. Everyone that makes Android devices.

      And you need to do that, because we're discussing 'phone usage/purchase' numbers' not 'single company profits'.

      It's the same reason that the PC market has far larger profits than Apple. Because it's so huge. Massive.

      I drive an Audi. I could drive a Toyota -- they're #1 after all in units sold. But I prefer the Audi because it's better for me in every way, shape and form.

      Android sells more units. That doesn't mean it's better, only that it's cheaper. Poor people aren't going to buy an $1100 phone no matter if it's awesome or not.

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    13. Re:copying second place?! by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 1

      Yeah, no. What you'd have to believe for your statement to be true is that there's some Chinese company out there that's selling phones and is making at least twice as much money in profit as Samsung in the phone space, and somehow NOBODY KNOWS ABOUT IT.

      It's a ridiculous claim on its face. There's no such company, or group of companies. There are Chinese companies doing well, to be sure, but they sell their phones at razor thin margins so that they can make money on the exclusive services or integrations that they provide.

      Samsung is the big dog in the non-Apple phone space, and unless you have something more concrete to back up your claim, there's no reason to believe any other manufacturer is even close to them, let alone Apple. There's a reason why Google PAYS APPLE so that Google is the default search on iOS—if you want to make money, you have to appeal to Apple users.

    14. Re:copying second place?! by Blymie · · Score: 1

      I'd imagine every CFO, and finance type that reads financial rags professionally -- not as a layman (such as the poster above, and you), knows that many regions in the world don't have reporting requirements like US firms / markets do.

      China is just one.

      I don't need something 'more concrete' to state what I stated.. but, I find it incredibly amusing that when my initial comment was about the sheer numbers of people that use Android devices, Apple fanbois run and shout and start blathering on about profits.

      In terms of search? Google pays everyone to add them as a search as a default. Browsers, apps in cars, you name it. It'd be remarkable if Google didn't pay someone for that.

      As if profits mean that somehow the iphone must therefore be technically superior. Wow, what a great argument for technical superiority, or user choice. Not numbers of units sold. Not types of phones used. Nope, profit.

      If you look at the high end Android smartphone market, it too eclipses iphone sales. People *prefer* Android.

      Get over it.

    15. Re:copying second place?! by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 1

      So there's no denying that Apple has fewer users. That's always been the case, and it's part of how Apple makes money. There's profit in a perception of exclusivity.

      But you still can't even make the claim that Android is *preferred*. That's too broad a claim. People might choose Android handsets because they're cheaper. There's nothing wrong with that, and there's no reason to always buy the most expensive thing. But we do know that iOS retention is better than Android retention overall. That is, more people leave Android every year for iOS than the other way around. This is partly a consequence of the larger Android user base, of course. Even if retention percentages were the same—so 99% of iOS and Android users are content with the platform and won't leave it—3x as many Android users move to iOS as move from iOS to Android every year.

      At the high end, Apple still overwhelming draws people over. Apple sells far more of its top end phones than Samsung does...and again, Samsung is the only game in town when it comes to real, upscale Android sales.

  8. Pistachio Ice Cream by mentil · · Score: 1

    Pistachio icecream, really? Not Praline, or Pudding, or another P word that's a dessert by itself? You could tack 'icecream' onto any letter. Also, there was already a Froyo and an Ice Cream Sandwich.

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    1. Re:Pistachio Ice Cream by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Android K was Key Lime Pie internally.

    2. Re:Pistachio Ice Cream by tsqr · · Score: 1

      Pistachio icecream, really? Not Praline, or Pudding, or another P word that's a dessert by itself? You could tack 'icecream' onto any letter. Also, there was already a Froyo and an Ice Cream Sandwich.

      No need to get worked up. From TFA: Internally, Google is calling the latest one Pistachio Ice Cream, but the company typically uses different official names, the people ["people familiar with the situation"] also said. Anyway, "a rose by any other name would smell as sweet", right?

    3. Re:Pistachio Ice Cream by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyway, "a rose by any other name would smell as sweet", right?

      It just wouldn't sound as sweet.

    4. Re: Pistachio Ice Cream by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I vote for peanut butter cup or peanut brittle

    5. Re:Pistachio Ice Cream by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A serious question: who gives a fuck what stupid name they put on it during development?

      I really like my Android tablet in comparison to the iPad Mini, though there could be some big improvements to help tablets in general, but one of the top things on my list that I couldn't give a damn about is what ridiculous name they put on it, and everyone that referred to "Android Lollipop" or "Android Jellybean" sounded like a fucking moron.

      What the hell is wrong with version numbers, anyway?

    6. Re:Pistachio Ice Cream by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      All of these alphabetized dessert names sound amazingly stupid when referred to in a sentence anyway.

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  9. never update by jbmartin6 · · Score: 2

    This is why I never update. Yet another "upgrade" introducing pointless and gratuitous interface changes. No doubt they will "improve" my user experience by moving, removing, or renaming settings, adding new "features" I can't delete or turn off, and if they are feeling really ambitious perhaps break some of the apps I use and make the device generally slower.

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    1. Re:never update by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Version 1.0 of any software is flawless.

    2. Re:never update by ctilsie242 · · Score: 1

      Depends on the ROM. If a launcher is ugly, replace it with Nova Launcher. This ensures that no matter what Android device I have, be it LG, Samsung, or HTC, it has the same UI as the one I used previously, so I don't have to get used to a new way of working.

      As for bloatware, this is why a rootable/unlockable bootloader is a deal breaker of a feature. With root and a good firewall, an Android phone can be quite private, with only vetted apps allowed to phone home. Without it, a device can be a privacy disaster.

    3. Re:never update by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't see me ever going past 4.1.2 Jelly Bean. There aren't any apps that require anything newer, anyway.

    4. Re:never update by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

      Kids on your lawn again, eh?

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  10. Ugh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hate everything about the iPhone. It sucks. I find it very difficult to use. I use Android precisely because it is not like the iPhone. Thanks Google. Just what I wanted.

  11. Re:Did I read this right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There you are spamming amazon and youtube affiliate links with yet another fake account, you revenue stream hogging disgusting fat sexist tube of lard, Christopher Dale Reimer!

    You can be sure I will be watching this fake account too. I know this is you because you told me you were working on your freepass 11 file server and you are so dumb that you can't even masquerade yourself properly.

    Now, I told you I was out of meds last week and you didn't even care to contact me you lazy fucker.

    How many times do I have to express the emergency of the situation??????

    The python click script you wrote for my pheromone revenue stream web site suddenly stopped to work!!!!!!

    You fucking incompetent python script writer!!!

    When it works, I get 4000+ clicks a day on my pheromone revenue stream web site but only 5 or 6 without it!!!!

    Now, it seems like you dont care and that you have abandoned me you heartless fucking pig!

    Bonus:
    Here is a story that creimer told me when convincing me what a hard life he had:

    The tree was him and the tree knot was his butt hole!

    So, his uncle packed his fat ass with lard and with his cock! Not that it makes much of a difference but anyway, there it is!

    Signed:
    Ethell, The girl that used to love you and now hates you, burn in hell where you belong you sexist pig!

  12. Re:Frosty Piss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Another shitty clone of a shitty iPhone feature.

    FTFY. Who the hell likes the notch?

  13. Why not invent the block? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A big black square in the middle of the screen. It's original and useless, just like the notch!

    1. Re:Why not invent the block? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ahh, I see you've discovered the secret "Insane" difficulty mode in Angry Birds!

  14. Re:Did I read this right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry folks, creimer is busy with Comic Con!

    creimer included keywords in his youtube videos. When creimer does a search for those keywords on YouTube, criemer's videos rank top notch!

    creimer is definitely going to get rich in April when creimer keyword event begins!

    Well, if creimer realize that YouTube's algorithm is much smarter than the slashdot's one, he will just do a double-take and POFL!

    LOL! That's funny!

  15. How else? by joh · · Score: 2

    Everybody wants to stretch the display over all of the front or at least do that as far as possible. Since there are a few things (like the camera) that have to stay there too, you have to make room for them. So the only options right now are either a "notch" or a "full-width notch" (having the display not cover all of the height of the front). Since you can make good use of the display areas left and right of the notch you get more usable display area this way compared to leaving empty a strip on the top or bottom of the front just to put the camera there.

    What's so hard to understand about this?

    1. Re:How else? by SlaveToTheGrind · · Score: 1

      Since you can make good use of the display areas left and right of the notch you get more usable display area this way compared to leaving empty a strip on the top or bottom of the front just to put the camera there.

      What's so hard to understand about this?

      It's not an issue of understanding. A lot of people (myself included) simply think a notched screen looks stupid.

    2. Re:How else? by lexman098 · · Score: 1

      It's a lot of added complexity for hardware and software just to gain a small extra space for showing status icons (which won't be enough space anyway).

  16. Phone Molestation by mentil · · Score: 1

    Android Overhaul Will Embrace iPhone's 'Notch'

    Can you point at where on the phone-shaped doll that the Android touched you?

    Seriously, wording...

    --
    Corruption is convincing someone that the selfless ideal is the same as their selfish ideal.
    1. Re:Phone Molestation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, how else are they going to say it?

      They'll design Android so that the support is there BUT NOT FORCE, sort of like how NFC, Bluetooth, Wifi, and screen resolution can be changed or completely removed "at will" by the manufacturer.

      As such, they're not "copying" or anything like that, They're just including a setting for the manufacturer to toggle. They might even add support for the notch being in various locations and not just the top.

  17. Re:Did I read this right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow creimer!

    I know that you only own fresh water tanks. You would be too dumb to read a copper test anyway.

    But seriously, who taught you that one, it is only known by a few members of my select salt water tank club?

    POFL = Puffing On Floor Laughing

    https://simple.wikipedia.org/w...

    Perfectly suited in your case!

    P.S. we have a puffer con in L.A. next May and we still have some room for affiliates...

  18. Re:Sorry folks, creimer is busy with Comic Con! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    creimer is already busy with too many affiliate link programs.

    creimer would accept the mascot position although if pay is more than 5$ an hour, which is much more than creimer does collecting second hand lottery tickets.

    creimer would save the puffer con with costume charge and creimer would look more like a puffer than this guy:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

  19. Re:Sorry folks, creimer is busy with Comic Con! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    creimer says he is going to post one comic con video every day in April but creimer lied to be a comic con affiliate and maybe win a t-shirt; By May, creimer will already have moved to his next get rich quick scheme!

    Proof: He always lies! He also said that he would publish books in January but he has moved to the comic con/youtube get rich quick scheme instead!

  20. Re:Did I read this right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I know that you only own fresh water tanks."

    It's the only way he can keep living creatures near him; by putting them into an escape-proof box.

  21. Re:Sorry folks, creimer is busy with Comic Con! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    LOL! That's very funny! POFL!

    Puffing On Floor Laughing

    https://simple.wikipedia.org/w...

    Perfectly suited for creimer!

  22. Samsung Made Fun Of The Notch by jdschulteis · · Score: 1

    But Samsung already made fun of the notch in that commercial where the guy waiting in line outside the Apple store has that awesome haircut!

  23. Re:Sorry folks, creimer is busy with Comic Con! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Chris' case is getting worse, he spends all day replying to himself as AC on /.

    The tests we ran on Chris have shown that Chris has the intelligence of an ameba:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    So, technically, he is able to conceive some kind of agenda but it will be silly or impossible to follow on a human scale.

    For example, Chris had an agenda to post anything he felt like on Slashdot which did not work well because it was based on his false beliefs that he had an infinite number of karma points as he wrote here several times.

    Several people here explained to Chris that karma maxed out at some level like 50 or so but Chris kept on insisting that his python script had confirmed that he had millions of karma points!

    Oh well, as I wrote before: "It isn't Chris' fault if he is the way he is. We do the best we can do with him and he is partially integrated into society. We try to cure his abnormal need for attention but he is kind of stubborn and won't listen to anybody."

    For the valuable /. users that might already have read the following, please note that there is an important update.

    IMPORTANT UPDATE:
    Special Education for the Santa Clara County Office of Education has invested money to buy Chris a new chair:
    http://www.keynamics.com/image...

    Information about Christopher Dale Reimer and autistic people:

    Autistic people have obsessions about things normal people don't care. For example, one of our autistic patient went haywire when he realized that there was a penny missing in his pocket change.

    To calm him down, one of our educator pretended to have found it on the floor and gave a penny to him.

    The autistic patient condition went even worse because he realized it wasn't the same penny!

    Chris has an obsession with budgeting every penny. He doesn't understand that most people do not budget to the penny and have a flexible amount they allow for miscellaneous items.

    I am Nancy Guerrero and I am Director of Special Education for the Santa Clara County Office of Education. We use Chris' (a.k.a. creimer,cdreimer) picture in our document because he is the hardest case we have ever had to handle:
    http://www.sccoe.org/depts/stu...

    Our artists were inspired by the low carb diet that Christopher follows scrupulously for the small lunch box and by the picture linked below for the rest. I am sure that you will notice the similarities such as the bump on the side of his chest and more:
    https://ibb.co/gVad65

    Please be easy on Christopher although, I am aware that some of our staff handling Chris post joke comments here and obvoiusly, the Santa Clara County Office of Education disapprove that behavior vehemently:
    http://ibb.co/mRVSaG

    But it isn't Chris' fault if he is the way he is. We do the best we can do with him and he is partially integrated into society. We try to cure his abnormal need for attention but he is kind of stubborn and won't listen to anybody.

    Thank You dear users,
    ---
    Nancy Guerrero
    Director
    Special Education
    Santa Clara County Office of Education

  24. Re:Sorry folks, creimer is busy with Comic Con! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Exactly Nancy,

    It seems like Chris is a victim here. He keeps on reading those SEO, youtube algorithm, basically get rich quick sites. He doesn't realize that he is the fish for them since they make money off him with their own scheme. Then, he wastes his time trying to implement what those sites suggest and he ends up disturbing people.

    I mean, those crooks tell Chris that he has to build personal brands and he goes on the Internet and makes everything about himself public!

    I believe we should bring this up at our next meeting. He might not be our only patient victim of such on-line abuse.

    --
    Silvia Bunge
    Psychology Department
    University of California, Berkeley

  25. Android P, will emphasize Google's Assistant... by nagora · · Score: 1

    That's great as long as I can turn it off. If I can delete it completely so I get the space back, even better; knock yourselves out.

    --
    "Encyclopedia" is to "Wikipedia" what "Library" is to "Some people at a bus stop"
  26. creimer spam alert! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't click on his homepage link! creimer is trying to get you to subscribe automatically to his youtube channel and make money off you!

    CREIMER' SUBMISSIONS UPDATE:
    Note also that creimer is trying to regain karma by getting his submissions published as articles on /. so make sure to go to:
    https://slashdot.org/~cdreimer
    https://slashdot.org/~criss69
    https://slashdot.org/~Anonymou...
    https://slashdot.org/~FatCashe...
    https://slashdot.org/~ILoveFat...
    https://slashdot.org/~IHateFat...
    https://slashdot.org/~IAteFatC...
    https://slashdot.org/~ITapeFat...
    https://slashdot.org/~IApeFatC...
    https://slashdot.org/~IPrayFat...
    https://slashdot.org/~FatCashe...
    and mod down his submissions as well. The great thing is that you don't even need mod points to mod down a submission, just click on the "minus" icon!

    Yes, believe it or not, creimer owns all the above sock puppet accounts. It is a mystery why Slashdot management tolerates it!

    creimer wrote:

    I don't bother with mod points. I'm doing something much more sinister. It took ten story submissions ? I'll have to double check the number ? to move cdreimer's karma from neutral to excellent without ever being exposed to the capricious mods. Mmmmmwwwwahahahahahahaha!

    https://slashdot.org/comments....

    Danger, Will Robinson, Danger! Creimy is posting more than 2 posts a day. Hurry! mod down otherwise /. will go to hell again!

    Note: you can mod down even if already at -1 to lower karma and to prevent lost /. users to accidentally mod up.

    creimer wrote:

    All you need to do is find a website with a permissive TOS, say, Slashdot, create a Python script to scrape your own comments, sprinkle Amazon affiliate links in various posts, and then re-post past links whenever possible. Won't be long before you start making "coffee money" each month.

    https://slashdot.org/comments....

    C.D. Reimer is a renowned Slashdot collaborator, as he puts it himself; "Because of the quality of my posts and my article submissions, I'm a highly rated commentator and moderator."

    But does anybody ever wondered what "C.D." stands for? Well, it stands for Creimy Dumpty of course!

    Creimy Dumpty sat on the wall,
    Creimy Dumpty had a great fall.
    All the king's horses
    And all the king's men
    Couldn't put Creimy Dumpty
    Together again.

    Creimy's siblings video and theme song, very realistic, especially the pants, just like Creimy's:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    With "Vice President Pence Vowing US Astronauts Will Return To the Moon", we are sure they will need miracle workers up there, here is what it would look like. Note that Creimy takes care of bringing a lot of food to the moon as depicted below:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    Creimy's real pictures:
    Before the sex change:
    https://ibb.co/cc7Ddw
    After the sex change:
    https://ibb.co/gVad65

    Creimy's "enterprise-level" chair, he talks about it all the time on slashdot:

  27. Isn't the IPhone X dead... by atrex · · Score: 1

    because of the notch?

  28. Re:Did I read this right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Noob. Mod down.

  29. Re:Did I read this right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you forgot to mention creimer hidden double-take homosexuality.

    creimer is really busy with comic con. creimer swears he didn't post over the week-end.

  30. uhhh.. by SuperDre · · Score: 1

    How is this design based on Apple's iPhone X, even though an Android phone had it first..... The android phone Essential was the first with a notch, NOT Apple...
    But hee, you can see what kind of apple fanboys those techsites really are...

    1. Re:uhhh.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's safe to say that with the sensor array on the iPhone X Apple didn't copy Essential's camera cut-out and, though they may have had the opportunity to do so, I doubt Essential copied Apple. (Yes, I know the Essential phone made it to market a few months before the iPhone X, but the designed had been finalised, and there were some pretty accurate leaks, long before that, which could well have been within Essential's lead time.)
      What's interesting though is that the design of the so-called notch really works - there's space to move the status indicators and clock out of the way but otherwise you don't notice it in use. (The one exception being if you want to watch something recorded in cinemascope across the full width of the screen. Regular widescreen content doesn't occupy the full width so once again the 'notch' disappears.)
      By contrast, the far smaller cut-out on the Essential phone just looks exceedingly awkward. A bit like a fingernail sized patch of dead pixels.
      Perhaps with the next version of Android things won't look so bad.

  31. Re:Did I read this right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Funny joke from the guy who goes online to pretends to be a young woman.

    Young women didn't store their computer software on cassette tape in middle school, you female impersonator.

  32. Well, I guess they needed to copy LG by dahlellama · · Score: 1

    The LG V20 has a second screen. I like it.
    http://www.techradar.com/revie...

  33. Re:Did I read this right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    creimer IS the comic cunt!

  34. Re:Did I read this right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's geek cred, noob.

    Similar to street cred, but applicable to geeks. Geek cred is allocated by displaying knowledge of different aspects of geek culture such as Star Wars, anime, comic books, etc.

    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=geek+cred

  35. DAMN YOU GOOGLE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    NO! Just NO! I got an android device because I wanted an android device...not an effin APPLE.

  36. Re:Did I read this right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    LOL! That's very funny! POFL!

    Puffing On Floor Laughing

    https://simple.wikipedia.org/w...

    Perfectly suited for creimer!

  37. Re:Frosty Piss by Arkham · · Score: 1

    FTFY. Who the hell likes the notch?

    Nobody likes the notch itself, but the sensors that live inside it are pretty freaking cool.

    We all know that Samsung is working hard to copy Apple right now, because they can't think of anything innovative on their own. In 9 months when you see a dot projector on a dozen Android phones, you'll know the copying is complete.

    --
    - Vincit qui patitur.
  38. Re:Did I read this right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But you can't hand in your cred, you dummy. Did you google "hand in your geek" and see how it auto-completes?

    Why do you insist on using the wrong idioms?

    At least noobs can learn, but your brain fossilized somewhere around when the Backstreet Boys were popular and now nothing new can get in.

  39. Re:Did I read this right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why do you insist on using the wrong idioms?

    20+ years on Slashdot, noob.

  40. Re:Did I read this right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously, you had to invoke the Backstreet Boys?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iXPegc1x2c

  41. Re:Did I read this right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why do you insist on using the wrong idioms?

    LOL!

    creimer POFL!

    https://simple.wikipedia.org/w...

  42. Is this a joke? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This sounds like someone took everything I fear about possible changes to Android and rolled them into one summary.
    The future is looking bleak.

  43. Re:Did I read this right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So posting irrelevant secretions on a website for two decades (you could have raised a child and sent it to college in the same time) means you can't use idioms correctly?

    I noticed that this is a common tactic with you; as soon as it's obvious you're wrong, you start with the deflections. Maybe this defense mechanism helped you cope with your parents, but as an adult, it's tragic.

  44. Re:Did I read this right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When will the creimer shit storm end? Do you think six months of copying and pasting the same comments will change anything?

  45. Re:Did I read this right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Read what Chris Reimer (cdreimer) wrote here:
    https://groups.google.com/foru...

    You are such a perfect miracle imbecile Chris!

    I can't believe that you are actually imbecile enough to post this thread here. It makes you look like an even more imbecile fucktard yet.

    As some have stated on that thread "dot is NOT an operator", you fucktard! Apperently, you did not read the thread yourself or more likely, your ameba brain reading comprehension doesn't allow you to understand its content.

    It's like asking: What is the dot operator precedence in Linux Slackware 1.2.3? You can't daisy chain dot operators in Windows versions (e.g. 3.1, 3.11, etc.)

    What is the precedence in the 2.5 IQ that you possess?

    And if you ever asked about real operators the word is "Precedence" you fucktard!

    Dots are not operators in ANY OOP language you silly fuck!

    See java:
    https://docs.oracle.com/javase...

    For python, you could have googled it but no, you needed to grab the attention on that google group and didn't care that it made you look like a total fool.
    http://reeborg.ca/docs/oop_py_...

    See example in above link:
    Fido.head.mouth.teeth.canine.hurts();
    Other example:
    Criemer.head.brain.isHurting(); This is always false because your head is empty you dumb fuck!

    But Criemer.head.isEmpty() always returns true...

  46. Re:Did I read this right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've seen "geek cred" used more often than "geek card" on Slashdot in the last 20 years.

  47. Re:Did I read this right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the context of "handing in"? Prove it. Get that Python screen scraper of yours back to work and show us.

    How did the google auto-complete complete for you, Chris?

  48. Re:Frosty Piss by crypticedge · · Score: 1

    You mean a LG V10 feature that Apple copied.

  49. Re:Did I read this right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey, noob. News flash... I'm not creimer.

  50. Re:Did I read this right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Then, I assume you never got a chance to read the creimy the mountain story so there it is just for you!

    POFL :)

    Here is the story of creimy the mountain and his royalties!

    This story was inspired by cdreimer, the parent poster. The story was written by a visionary on cdreimer birth date.

    The story of creimy the mountain explained:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    Creimy is a typical mountain who poses for postcards, living with his wife Ethel, a tree, between the cities of Rosamund and Gorman, California. The main features on his mountainous face are two large caves, resembling eyes, and a cliff for a jaw, which moves up and down when he talks, puffing up dust and boulders.
    click above link to read more, he even destroyed Edwards Air Force Base just by passing by...

    Listen to the audio version here:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    "Creimy The Mountain"

    includes quotes from Pomp and Circumstance March No. 1 in D major (Edward Elgar), Johnny's Theme (Paul Anka), Off We Go Into The Wild Blue Yonder (Crawford), O Mein Papa (Paul Burkhard), Over The Rainbow (Harburg/Arlen), Star-Spangled Banner (Smith/Key), Suite: Judy Blue Eyes (Stephen Stills)

    One, two, three

    CREIMY the Mountain
    CREIMY the Mountain
    A regular picturesque
    Postcardy mountain
    Residing between lovely
    Rosamond and Gorman
    With his stunning wife ETHELL, A tree! A tree!

    CREIMY was a mountain ETHELL was a tree Growing off of his shoulder

    CREIMY was a mountain
    (CREIMY was a mountain!)
    ETHELL was a tree Growing off of his shoulder
    (ETHELL was a tree growing off of his shoulder)
    (hey, hey hey!)

    Creimy had two big
    Caves for eyes,
    With a cliff for a jaw
    That would go up 'n down,
    And whenever it did,
    He'd puff out some dust,
    And hack up a boulder (HACK!) Hack up a boulder (HACK! HACK!)
    Hack up a boulder (HACK! HACK! HACK!) Up a boulder

    Now, one day, now I believe it was on a Tuesday, a man in a checkered double-knit suit drove up in a large El Dorado Cadillac, leased from BOB SPREEN

    ("Where the freeways meet in Downey!")

    And he laid a HUGE, BULGING ENVELOPE right at the corner of CREIMY THE MOUNTAIN, that was right where his 'foot' was supposed to be.

    Now, CREIMY THE MOUNTAIN, he couldn't believe it! All those postcards he'd posed for, for ALL OF THOSE YEARS, and finally, now, AT LAST, his Royalties!

    Royalties! Royalties Royalties! Royalty check is in, honey!

    Yes, CREIMY THE MOUNTAIN was RICH! Yes, and his eyeball-caves, they widened in amazement, and his jaw (which was a cliff), well it dropped thirty feet!

    A bunch of dust puffed out! Rocks and boulders hacked up, (hack! hack!) crushing 'The LINCOLN'!

    I gave him the money He acted real funny He hocked up a rock and It TOTALLED my car!

    Oh, do you Know any trucks Might be bound for THE VALLEY?
    I don't wanna stand here All night in this bar (Dear Lord)

    I don't wanna stand here All night in this bar (No shit!)

    I don't wanna stand here All night in this bar!

    By two o'clock, when the bars are already closed down, CREIMY had broken 'THE BIG NEWS' to ETHELL. And with dust and boulders everywhere, CREIMY, choked with excitement, announced

    "ETHELL, we're going on a VACATION!"

    Yes, and they WERE going on a vacation! (Oh, and ETHELL, ETHELL, ETHELL, like every little woman, she of course was very excited! She creaked a little bit, and some old birds flew off of her.) CREIMY told ETHELL they were going to Yes! They were going to NEW YORK!

    "ETHELL, we're going to New York!"

    But first they were gonna stop in LAS VEGAS

    It's off to LAS VEGAS to check out the lounges Pull a few handles,
    And drink a few beers, (Oh, ETHELL!)

    ETHELL, my darling, you know that I love you!
    I'm glad we could have a Va

  51. Re:Did I read this right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Congrats! You're a bigger nuisance than creimer!

  52. Clippy is dead, let him lie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The operating system refresh, Android P, will emphasize Google's Assistant, a digital helper ..."

    There is a reason I turn off "helpers". i don't need, or want, some obnoxious "helper" interfering with my use of the phone. I don't need, or want, an obnoxious search bar on the home screen.
    If I wanted an iPhone, I would have bought an iPhone.

    Don't kill the OS by trying to mimic a crappy one.

  53. Re:Did I read this right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    " I'm not creimer."

    That's probably your last rational brain cell hoping it's not in your, er Chris' brain,

  54. To all the haters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To all you stupid bitches that hated on iPhone cause of the notch... suck a dick.

  55. Re:Did I read this right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks, Chris! Where do I pick up my T-shirt? At K729 or should I meet you in the lobby?

  56. Re:Did I read this right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google "turn in your geek cred" - 346 results.
    Google "turn in your geek card" - " 37,300 results.

    Notorious female impersonator creimer is wrong again.

  57. Re:Did I read this right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ROFLOL I read that and saw the same thing too! I did a double take!

    You are so funny! I guess it's true: fat people are jolly!

    So are you just naturally funny, or do you work hard every day to be this unfunny?

    FUNNY, I meant funny!! LOLROFL

  58. Dramatic yawn by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

    Wake me up when they do something useful.

  59. Not even an Apple idea... by sl3xd · · Score: 1

    Didn't Andy Rubin's Essential phone have the notch first?

    Or are they just throwing "Apple" into the story for clicks?

    --
    -- Sometimes you have to turn the lights off in order to see.
  60. Re:Did I read this right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "hand in your geek card"

    https://www.google.ca/search?lr=&hl=en&as_qdr=all&ei=tQCCWoerA8zj_AbcnZnQCQ&q=%22hand+in+your+geek+card%22+site%3Aslashdot.org&oq=%22hand+in+your+geek+card%22+site%3Aslashdot.org&gs_l=psy-ab.3...59474.60795.0.61103.8.8.0.0.0.0.89.575.8.8.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.0.0....0.ylik8iHGUL8

    223 hits on Slashdot.

    "hand in your geek cred"

    https://www.google.ca/search?lr=&hl=en&as_qdr=all&ei=gwCCWtbmBIyvgge4sruQBA&q=%22hand+in+your+geek+cred%22+site%3Aslashdot.org&oq=%22hand+in+your+geek+cred%22+site%3Aslashdot.org&gs_l=psy-ab.3...46304.47908.0.49019.13.13.0.0.0.0.147.1210.9j4.13.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..4.0.0....0.O57hVZ6aULs

    2 results

    Liar. If your pants caught on fire, we'd see the fire from space, because you're so FAT!!!!

    And "geek cred" has nothing to do with handing in your geek CARD.

    The one card you DO need is a San Jose Behavioral Health Hospital patient card!

  61. Google Assistant - don't want by Toshito · · Score: 1

    The operating system refresh, Android P, will emphasize Google's Assistant

    Well I guess this means that I'll never buy an Android P phone then.

    --
    Try it! Library of Babel
    1. Re:Google Assistant - don't want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't cut your nose off to spite your face. Just disable the Google app like a sensible person.

  62. This is why there is a shortage of women in tech! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's so horribly sad that you were so excited about computers that you spent hours organizing your c64 tape collection(under 100k for both sides) but nobody thought enough of your hobby to equip you with a reasonable 3M-class machine complete with hard drive, 256 color graphics, memory management, preemptive multitasking support even though such a system might have only cost a week of groceries.

    Assuming said little girl was in middle school in 2000:

    Floppies were much cheaper per byte than cassette tapes in 2000:
    http://www.radioshackcatalogs.com/html/1996/h084.html
    http://www.radioshackcatalogs.com/html/1996/h208.html

    But that's totally irrelevant since most kids of the era had figured out you could get free floppies by calling companies in computer magazines and asking for demos or trials (Especially AOL!) . I made sure to call the AOL helpline once every day after school with a new fake name to get that precious AOL floppy disk

    Floppy drives for c64s were the sort of things people were giving away and throwing away around that time.
    I recall buying an entire PC/AT for $100 in 1995 and I felt gypped.
    I recall paying under $100 for an amiga and also someone giving away an atariST.
    I also found a fully decked out PCjr sometime in the mid 90s.
    I purchased a 386 desktop in 1996 with 2 mb of ram and a 80 meg hard drive for under $70

  63. Re:This is why there is a shortage of women in tec by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    What's so horribly sad is your constant need to shit on creimer and whomever else who comes to his defense. Not only on today's comments, but last Friday's comments. You call yourself an adult but you behaved like a child. Sad.

  64. Re: This is why there is a shortage of women in te by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is creimer

  65. Re: This is why there is a shortage of women in te by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You flooded Slashdot with 50+ comments in response to creimer's comments last week and today? When does it stop?

  66. PLEASE STOP!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Copying apple's half assed designs.

  67. Stop with the bezel less designs!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This has gotten to just be plain stupid now. How bout just leaving a half CM bezel on the top and bottom and use that new found space on the bottom to put a 2nd front firing speaker? Bonus you have now made a phone that can be talked in from either top up or bottom up and has stereo sound for video watching. The entire phone is completely agnostic as to which end is up. Up is just whatever end the gyroscope detects is up at the moment and switch the speaker and mic as appropriate for the phones orientation. Putting a microphone at the other end of the phone also gives you two mics with good stereo separation for video recording as well!!

  68. Re: This is why there is a shortage of women in te by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It will never stop! We will SHIT SHIT SHIT until Slashdot is buried in shit. Only then will creimer leave us to our shithole.

  69. Re: This is why there is a shortage of women in te by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Making fun of the autist weirdo who pretends to be a woman is the funnest part of Slashdot.

  70. Re:This is why there is a shortage of women in tec by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have a few questions:

    1) Creimer is known for talking about child brides quite a bit. You are a 30 year old woman who says she knows creimer from "way before." Did he try to marry you? Does the idea creep you out a little bit?

    2) As a middle schooler, how did you get into the same technology that creimer liked as a middle schooler? I'm very surprised your parents would give you antique computer parts that broke all the time. Did you get the computer from creimer? Did your parents let you in the same room, unsupervised, together?

    3) You must realize that nobody will actually believe you are a 30 year old woman, and will just think creimer is making a strange sock puppet account where he pretends to be a much younger woman for some bizarre reason. What do you think about that? How would you respond to it?

  71. Re:This is why there is a shortage of women in tec by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's why creimer posts his one or two comments, sits back and watch the dumpster fire as others troll on his behalf.

  72. Re:Did I read this right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dear Team Creimer,

    My YouTube channel has 222K subscribers and many videos with hundred of thousands of views:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    Now, with some slight adjustments, I think that together, we could make the view count skyrocket on your very own Team Creimer youtube channel :)

    Please feel confident to contact me if you want me to coach you, we aren't living so far away from each other so we could even easily meet.

    Love XX,

    --
    -Granny

  73. Re:This is why there is a shortage of women in tec by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Team creimer wants to believe. Never underestimate the power of believing. We will see who gets the last laugh you creimertard.

  74. Re:This is why there is a shortage of women in tec by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks Team Creimer,

    Your posts are always enlightening and right on topic! Keep up the good work over there at Team Creimer HQ!

    You have constantly demonstrated that you are, indeed, the top king pin creimertard!

    Also, I have noted that Chris uses child psychology to convince his so called trolls to give up by pretending they just give him free publicity. That's adoring! ;-)

    Anyway Chris would have a hard time to learn anything above child level matters, including psychology.

    https://childdevelopmentinfo.c...

    ---
    Silvia Bunge
    Psychology Department
    University of California, Berkeley

  75. Re: This is why there is a shortage of women in te by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    CREIMIER SAID:

    All you need to do is find a website with a permissive TOS, say, Slashdot, create a Python script to scrape your own comments, sprinkle Amazon affiliate links in various posts, and then re-post past links whenever possible. Won't be long before you start making "coffee money" each month.

    https://slashdot.org/comments....

    Shitposting, Amazon affiliate spam, being fat, and being a general nuisance.

    CREIMER SAID:
    Only on Slashdot.

    https://slashdot.org/comments....

    So why hasn't managed to ban this intentionally disruptive user? According to him his "trolls" can't help themselves.. he is the one in control willingly and maliciously creating disruptions. Reasons that slashdot has stated they will ban accounts at their discretion.

    Why isn't creimer banned? He degrades the slashdot experience for everyone and attempts to monetize these efforts. This is effectively stealing from Dice.

    Just the other day creimer attempted to dox a user by posting her name and ip address. How many chances should he be given?

  76. Re:Did I read this right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dumb Noob, its POFL you dumb ass!

    Puffing On Floor Laughing

    https://simple.wikipedia.org/w...

    Please hang down your geek cred on your way out and be careful that the creimer-puffer don't sting you!

  77. Re:Did I read this right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    +1 insightful!

    creimer-puffers are quite poisonous. I got stung by one some day and I had to go to the hospital.

  78. Re:Did I read this right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Funny joke from the guy who goes online to pretends to be a young woman.

    I am creimer adopted sister you noob creimertard!

    Note that we don't exactly look alike!

    Don't believe me?

    Here is my Jessica C Reimer twitter account:

    https://twitter.com/jessicacre...

  79. Wow creimer! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow creimer!

    Another day, another -3 post!

    POFL :)

    1. Re:Wow creimer! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can youtube views also go negative?

      POFL!

  80. Re:Did I read this right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    EATBAD! (Eating At The Buffet All Day)

  81. Re:This is why there is a shortage of women in tec by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And his dozens of anonymous comments, comments under sockpuppets, comments where he pretends to be a woman...

  82. Re:This is why there is a shortage of women in tec by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "What's so horribly sad is your constant need to shit on creimer"

    He's the asshole, we provide the shit.

    "whomever else who comes to his defense"

    You mean "no one in the history of nine universes"? That's why you have 15 sockpockets, Chris.

    "You call yourself an adult but you behaved like a child."

    We have raised children, Chris, we know we have to sometimes adjust down to communicate with the thick-skulled among us.

    You try behaving like an adult, and then we can talk. You call your stupid "snatch" remark behaving like an adult, Chris?

    You're a creepy obese middle-aged man-child.

  83. Re:This is why there is a shortage of women in tec by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not every AC is creimertard, Chris. We just found a website with a permissive TOS.

    Complain to the management if you don't like it, Chris. You're at -1, your beloved karma is gone, bitching about it as an AC changes nothing.

    You 400 pound toddler.

  84. Re:This is why there is a shortage of women in tec by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "That's why creimer posts his one or two comments, sits back and watch the dumpster fire "

    Ah, that old "can't keep track of verb tenses" crammar! Chris, did you ever get an answer (after years of therapy) as to why you can't handle grammar correctly?

    Is it physical brain damage from the childhood beatings, or is it trauma from grade school from all the bullying?

  85. Re:Did I read this right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Aren't you aware "Strike Back" was reborn in 2017?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    To bad for creimer! :(

    These guys can be even more vicious than creimer the puffer fish can be! They specialize in handling crooks like creimer.

    POFL!

  86. Re:Did I read this right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Creimertards took a shit storm today. No doubt feeling neglected by creimer when he took the weekend off. No wonder Slashdot is a shithole.

  87. Re:Did I read this right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Chris living in his imaginary world again which most people find weird, twisted and absurd and which Chris accepts as being perfectly normal.
    ---
    Nancy Guerrero
    Director
    Special Education
    Santa Clara County Office of Education

  88. Re:Did I read this right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "When will the creimer shit storm end? "

    As soon as creimer glues his gaping asshole shut and packs his bags and fucks off.

    "Do you think six months of copying and pasting the same comments will change anything?"

    We can go six years, Chris. By which time you'll be close to 60. Tick tock, motherfucker!

  89. Re:Did I read this right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    creimer doesn't listen no naysayers you stupid bitch. creimer will never give up on his dreams!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    I have just closed my eyes again
    Climbed aboard the Team Creimer train
    Driver take away my worries of today
    And leave tomorrow behind

    Team Creimer, I believe you can get me through the night
    Team Creimer, I believe we can reach the morning light

    Fly me high through the starry skies
    Or maybe to an astral plane
    Cross the highways of fantasy
    Help me to forget today's pain

    Team Creimer, I believe you can get me through the night
    Team Creimer, I believe we can reach the morning light

    Though the dawn may be coming soon
    There still may be some time
    Fly me away to the bright side of the moon
    And meet me on the other side

    Team Creimer, I believe you can get me through the night
    Team Creimer, I believe we can reach the morning light

  90. Re:Did I read this right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    " I would love to have a floppy drive for my Commodore computer when I was a little girl."

    You would, present tense, oh mysterious 30 year old "girl" who totally isn't Christopher Dale Reimer and uses the same suspicious crammar?

  91. Re:Did I read this right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Team Creimer is happy to report that Slashdot was 50% of external sources for our YouTube channel over the weekend. We appreciate the efforts of our Slashdot volunteers to relentlessly promote our brand. Keep uip the good work!

  92. Re:Did I read this right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This. Is. Why. Creimer. Keeps. Coming. Back.

    Leave him alone, he will go away.

  93. But we don't want forced items on our tool bar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We want to decide who we search with and what's on our home screen.

    I'm not sure if forced items are more evil than having an advertising-ID forcibly integrated in to Google and Windows O/S's. why are we forced to help their bottom line?

    The 2010s will be known for privacy being stolen and user-hostile implementations by tech companies.

  94. Re:This is why there is a shortage of women in tec by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "That's why creimer posts his one or two comments,"

    Nah, Chris, it's because your karma is at -1. So much for your valuable contributions, you narcissistic fruitcake.

  95. Really? I mean... REALLY? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ok, so... Google: honest question here:

    Where do I go if I want to buy a phone that is NOT an iPhone?

  96. Re:This is why there is a shortage of women in tec by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "as others troll on his behalf."

    I think that says it all, huh Chris? Why don't you drop the facade and admit you're just here to inflict your horrific personality on us?

  97. Re:This is why there is a shortage of women in tec by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So far we're getting the first laughs, so there's that. I guess in April we'll see if spending hundreds of hours annoying people is worth getting maybe a 20$ t-shirt.

    That'll boost your geek cred, maybe you can update your geek card.