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US Senators Voice Concern Over Chinese Access To Intellectual Property (reuters.com)
Leaders of the U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee said on Tuesday they were concerned about what they described as China's efforts to gain access to sensitive U.S. technologies and intellectual property through Chinese companies with government ties. From a report: Senator Richard Burr, the committee's Republican chairman, cited concerns about the spread of foreign technologies in the United States, which he called "counterintelligence and information security risks that come prepackaged with the goods and services of certain overseas vendors. The focus of my concern today is China, and specifically Chinese telecoms (companies) like Huawei and ZTE that are widely understood to have extraordinary ties to the Chinese government," Burr said. Senator Mark Warner, the committee's Democratic vice chairman, said he had similar concerns. "I'm worried about the close relationship between the Chinese government and Chinese technology firms, particularly in the area of commercialization of our surveillance technology and efforts to shape telecommunications equipment markets," Warner said.
We sold our soul long ago when we allowed the blind capitalistic pursuit of cheaper labor to ship a large portion of our manufacturing capacity overseas, primarily to China. Anyone with a brain understood that by doing this we were giving them our IP and in the long term it would probably be a bad deal for us, but we allowed short term pursuit of higher profits to make the decisions and the government was perfectly happy to look the other way, as long as those fat corporate campaign contributions kept flowing.
I don't blame China. They simply used our greed against us. Well played, China. Bravo.
"I'm worried about the close relationship between the Chinese government and Chinese technology firms, particularly in the area of commercialization of our surveillance technology and efforts to shape telecommunications equipment markets,"
So, we should all be worried because this senator is also worried - even without any evidence warranting the worry. Right? Isn't that how we ended up bombing [chaos into] some country in the Mideast more than a decade ago?
Maybe now is a good time to shut the barn door.
Don't forget how to properly differentiate:
- Worrisome Threat To Our Technological Edge: the Chinese/Indians reached in and took the secret sauce
- Shortage Of Qualified Engineers: we brought in people from China/India on short-term visas, taught them the secret sauce recipe, and forced them to return home.
- US Companies Must Remain Competitive: we outsourced the secret sauce to China/India to boost our quarterly results.
We don't want other countries getting access to IP, however we don't want to regulate business and allow them to do what is the most profitable, but we want these business to hire only American workers, without telling the companies that they have to hire American workers. We want to hire American workers to fill all the jobs, but we are at full employment and companies have a hard time finding employees.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
And these corporate blow boys are just now figuring out that dealing with China means they will suck every iota of technology out of your company and throw it back a year later as their own?
Seriously...it's 'way past time Americans at least made a token effort to get control of their government back from the oligarchs.
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Listen - we put Donald Trump in the white house.
Donald Trump.
No, really - Donald Trump.
If I were some other large nation, I'd want to send some folks over there to just, well, save any important pieces of information, perhaps get a few pieces of future historical artifacts before this small era of human history crashes.
Seriously - we elected a cartoon parody of human greed and cruelty as our president - by choice. Many things have gone horribly wrong if you can't recognize how utterly stupid that is.
Trump will sell them a few airports shortly, they already bought a few ports.
Selling them the rope they will use to hang us.
That is literally what America has done, and now after they've all gotten their paydays from ignoring it from so long all of a sudden they want to shout out 'takesies backsies!' as though we will magically regain our former level of dominion so we can maintain our almost century long hubris (longer really, but the current hubris is mostly post-WW2 due to aging out.)
Anyone who thinks china lacks creativity or the research mindpower necessary to eclipse us, hasn't paid enough attention to both foreign and american patents dating back to the early 20th century (probably farther, but that is as far back as I've seen documented and photographed examples). The dragon is awakening for its second dominion over the world and as much as the US would like to imagine itself as a tiger, it is most akin to a rooster... with its head cut off.
Repeal the 3 term laws and let us see if our leader elect for life Trump can dig us out of this hole, hopefully by privatizing all state and federal land in the US and carefully selling it to those chinesy bearded guys in nice silks who promise to make payment long time :)
captcha was 'bickers': as in 'congress bickers over which part of America to sell off next, having long ago sold off production of American flags, except in Minnesota.' :D
Be happy China is sending tens of thousands of people on H1B visas every year to build and carry your tech sector for you. It's hilarious how you complain that these people are actually allowed to retain their knowledge they shared with you, after they return home.
There is no secret to making "cola" {...} The Chinese did not learn to make cola by "stealing" Coke's "secret recipe".
What the above poster is trying to tell about is not the actual recipe of Coke's own spin on cola-based caffeined drinks.
(The recipe isn't actually that much a secret. e.g.: In several markets, local food and beverage law require the content to be explicitly stated on the label).
What is the key matter is that the Chinese owners of the outsourced manufacturing plant will analyse the *process* of manufacturing - i.e.: the methodology used by Coke to produce their drinks at industrial scale.
And that's the thing they can better : making a manufacturing plant better and more efficient at producing soda drinks.
To quote the relevant part :
The Chinese company then spent 10 years studying Cocoa Cola's products, workflow, supply chain, and so on until they understood it better than Cocoa Cola.
To make a much beloved /. car analogy :
they didn't copy the general concept of making a metal can box with 4 wheels and a motor on it.
they looked at how Ford's specific own-invented Ford process to mass-produce cars, they'll look into the basic feature sets that seem to interest customers and that manufacturer seem to concentrate on (everyone wants extra features like radio and cup holders)
then they'll get good at making not so bad knock-offs at a smaller price and craptastic "only in shape" copies, that sell at a fraction of the price but still somehow hold together long enough for the customer to buy them and only break down later on the way home.
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at least when stuff was made in mexco it was no red china with there soft IP laws.
Just admit that cell phones are "our surveillance technology"?
Never mind the Russians trying to undermine the duly elected government of the United States with the assistance of a national political party. Let's pay attention to the Chinese instead.
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We (insert 3 letter agency here) are concerned the world will use Chinese developed telecom. technologies and equipment at which point we won't be able to easily spy on everyone's conversations.
The way they treat IP, I think it will be in better hands than what the US is doing with it. Midn you, I am eneither Chinese nor USian, so I will get screwed no matter what (alas not by a female).
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
For years companies offshore tech to China and provide nice campaign contributions to politicians, now these people are crying foul.
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"I'm worried about the close relationship between the American government and American technology firms". There. I fixed it.
And on the other side of the world?
"counterintelligence and information security risks that come prepackaged with the goods and services of certain overseas vendors. The focus of my concern today is the USA, and specifically US software (companies) like Microsoft, Apple and Google that are widely understood to have extraordinary ties to the US government,"
Grow up Senator Burr. Stop trying to scare people and get a real job.
The US also has its computer hardware, software, and other technologies being used in China. Microsoft, Google, Facebook, etc., also have extraordinarily close relationships with the US government, e.g. They all make a handsome profit selling surveillance data and analysis services to US security agencies and other allied countries. Meanwhile the NSA, CIA, and FBI are working tirelessly to make US software less secure and more vulnerable to malicious attacks more than ever before. If anything's a threat to national security, it's them, not the Chinese.
Debate is a form of harassment. Do not question my truth.
Interesting article in The Atlantic:
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/03/trump-china/550886/
Trump has abdicated US "soft power" everywhere just as China builds up its own global influence.
By showering him with perks (21-gun salute, banquet in the Forbidden City, etc.), China is treating Trump just as his casinos do to gamblers by encouraging them to continue to lose money.
The whole concept of owning IP shipping manufacturing overseas is flawed. IP is a made up asset that can be removed at any time with no effort the part China. All they have to do is say they won't follow US patent and copyright law an they have all the manufacturing capabilities and all the intellectual property. What exactly can the US do about it?
That is the problem with made up assets they can just as easily be unmade.
USA#1! USA#1! USA#1!
Fucking Amerikuks.. war is over, you lost. The future belongs to chinks because you have no moral fibre. Bravo.
Be happy for ugly smelly mainlander chinks coming to my country?
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We need to build a wall and have China pay for it!
Oh, forgot - they already did that.
Never mind.
They don't figure out how to make junk. It starts out as junk because it takes time to fully copy a complex process. Before you know it their stuff is better. This is exactly what happened to US radio manufactures experienced with the Japanese. Of course it helped that the Japanese subsidized their local industry to compete with ours too. More or less the same thing happened with US auto makers. And just recently the Chinese have starting making pens that compete with the best from Germany.
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to the folks who are really in charge. They're not bound by country any more. They've got world wide investments. They global, not local.
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The US is worried about another country stealing private data and intellectual property through their technology firms. Does it get any more ironic than that?
You !@#$ morons are TWO DECADES TOO LATE.
And you gloss right over how Israel did the SAME !@#$ THING for the two decades BEFORE China even got STARTED.
We're in this mess because you and your pals schemed to get ahead in government, at the expense of other, better people. You destroyed them and took their place. You claimed the glory - and looted the job, too.
With power comes responsibility.
YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE. YOU WANTED TO BE THE LEADER. And, here we are.
Don't come whining to us to fix it.
The best thing the H1-B-loving US Congress could do would be to commit seppuku, en masse, so we can start over, with a clean slate.
Russia:
Look, imperialistic cars have cup-holders.
How do we put cup-holders in our cars?
We'll steal the answer from those imperialist dogs.
How do we make a machine that makes cup-holders?
China:
Look, decadent cars have cup-holders.
How do we put cup-holders in our cars?
We'll ask those decadent mongrels.
Look, they sent us the plans for a machine to make cup-holders.
The US gave away their IP a long time ago and it saved the Chinese a lot of time in learning to compete with the USA.
So a) The USA doesn't like China being a market leader in telecommunications technology; b) The USA doesn't like the Chinese using US technology for surveillance; c) The USA doesn't like China using (a) and )(b) to surveill US citizens.
When counties are looking to modernize they take a lax view of the IP in other countries. As it reaches the state of the art for the day and starts to push the boundaries then they will respect IP rights as they will want theirs respected. Eventually China will become a leader in pushing their IP protection onto other countries. This is quite a while off but it will happen. The US has gone through these stages, ignoring the IP of British companies when the US was trying to build up it's manufacturing base. But I guess what's good for the US isn't good for others especially when what is being talked about is the voluntary transfer of IP to China by US companies. Nobody is forcing them to enter the Chinese market and hand over their IP.
Would have been nice if the government and private companies had thought of this 10 years ago. It is now too late and companies have little choice but to give China whatever it wants for free.