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Bloomberg Starts Tracking Tesla Model 3 Production (bloomberg.com)

WindBourne writes: Tesla is producing their Model 3, but is apparently tired of answering critics about production. So, they quit telling. Now, Bloomberg has an active tracker that shows the total production and deliveries, along with the production per week, which is probably more important. In fact, they are now up to 1,025 Model 3s per week, and it is apparent that Tesla is growing by leaps and bounds on this as parts of the manufacturing line are converted to full robotics. Bloomberg reportedly tracks Tesla's production via Vehicle Identification Numbers (VINs), which are unique strings of digits displayed on every new car sold in the U.S., along with "data from official U.S. government resources, social media reports, and direct communication with Tesla owners." While the company is now building approximately 1,025 Model 3 vehicles a week, Bloomberg estimates that Tesla has manufactured a total of 7,438 Model 3s so far.

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  1. Only 1025 per week by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    They pre-sold a reported (approx) 400K on opening offering day alone. At a rate of 1025 a week, this means that just to satisfy the original pre-order Tesla will take a a good 7.5 years to deliver the vehicle to the last person on the list.

    1. Re:Only 1025 per week by ELCouz · · Score: 2

      Factory output will increase with time.... 7.5 years is a bad estimate.

    2. Re:Only 1025 per week by iserlohn · · Score: 2

      Currently they are ramping up to 2500 per week. They are shipping a whole battery assembly line from Germany to make 5000 per week happen by Q2.

      https://www.greencarreports.co...

    3. Re: Only 1025 per week by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here is your chance for big money. U know that musk will not increase it, so it will take 7.5 years. Go ahead a short Tesla with everything you got. You can make millions if you put your money where your mouth is.
      Go for it.

    4. Re:Only 1025 per week by LordKronos · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Wow...just take their current production rate and forecast it out. What a brilliant forecasting model. However, I'm going to challenge your your model with a one of my own that is equally brilliant.

      From the chart in that article, the estimate is that Telsa manufactured about 107 of the Model 3 in September. In October that jumped to 232. November was 686. Dec was 1499, and in January they manufactured 2909 new vehicles.

      So on average, that's at least a doubling of production every month (higher actually, but we'll just say double to keep it simple). At that rate, by April they will be manufacturing 23,272 vehicles per month. By July, that will be up to 186,176 per month. By October they should be manufacturing 1,489,408 vehicles per month. And just skipping ahead a bit, by August 2019 they should be manufacturing about 1.5 billion of the Model 3 per month. And that's only 1.5 years out. Calculating out to your estimated 7.5 year time frame, I estimate that by then Tesla will be producing 7,202,335,148,562,342,439,363,104,735,232 units per month.

      Do you see anything wrong with either of our projections?

    5. Re:Only 1025 per week by Rei · · Score: 5, Informative

      And once it's working they plan to duplicate the whole line for 10k, finishing by the end of Q4. They're currently at 10% of the production design spec.

      Just to explain better (because I expect a lot of bad information on this thread): the bottleneck is battery packs. Not battery cells, but the assembly of the packs themselves. Tesla contracted the construction of two of the four zones of the pack assembly process out to an engineering firm, and discovered that not only did they not work, but it wasn't even possible to make them work; they were fundamentally broken.

      Tesla purchased a German engineering firm last year, Grohmann, which is now Tesla-Grohmann. When the broken line was discovered, Tesla dispatched Grohmann to rush together a replacement, and apparently they pulled it off. But the line is still in Germany. They'll be moving it to the US and installing it over the next several months. Apparently the new line is much faster and more efficient than the old design specs, too (Grohmann has been quickly becoming Tesla's "Skunk Works")

      In the meantime, Tesla has implemented and is expanding a semi-manual stopgap. Robots do all of the welding, cell connections, etc, but they have to use people to move the parts from one stage to the next, and in some cases place parts for the robots. They're dealing with the slowdown by parallelizing the process.

      Musk has owned up to hubris on this one. Tesla's attitude had been, "Meh, we know battery packs"; they put most of their effort on systems that were new, and not nearly enough holding contractors to the fire and making sure well enough in advance that their hardware could actually deliver. It's come back to bite them hard. Musk has talked about how much this has been "lesson learned", and how they're planning a lot of new steps on the Y to make sure that it's not delayed as well. Well, I'll believe it when I see it. No matter how ambitious the project, Musk almost always delivers - but he almost always delivers late. It would be out of character to do otherwise. ;)

      Model 3 reservation counts have been holding steady through the delays, and actually started growing again now that Tesla has started providing Model 3s to showrooms. That said, this was before they announced the delay on the SR version (which should be expected given the LR delays, but...); that might have a negative impact. But probably not a profound one. Tesla is fortunate that the competition is... well, absent (at least from the perspective of most reservation holders); most see the only real competition to the 3 to be other Tesla models. CCS/CHAdeMO networks are a joke compared to the Supercharger network (~43kW real-world on most vs. ~117kW, much lower reliability, less even spacing, far fewer chargers per station, usually much higher prices, etc). Teslas are faster, better handling, longer range, have more interesting options (AWD, air suspension, performance package, etc), over-the-air updates, don't look like econoboxes, have properly climate-managed battery packs with low degradation, have far lower depreciation than competitors, etc and are built by a company they know will never abandon EVs. So while you may get some grumbling, few people are giving up their spot in line.

      You of course hear other manufacturers shouting "But wait, we'll have the coolest thing since sliced bread soon!", but they've been saying that for the past decade, and continually delivered lacklustre offerings in comparison to Tesla, to the point that Model S and X frequently outsell vehicles a third to a quarter of their price (a market 1 1/2 orders of magnitude smaller)

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    6. Re:Only 1025 per week by Rei · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'll note that I don't say the above criticisms to be harsh to other manfuacturers vehicles in absolute terms, only relative ones. E.g. most reviewers are in agreement that the Bolt is a good (albeit econobox-y) car - speed, handling, etc; it's nothing to be laughed at. But the reviewers also agree that it just doesn't match against a Model 3. If Tesla didn't exist, I think people would be flocking to Bolts, Leafs, etc instead.

      Then again, if Tesla didn't exist, I don't think these other manufacturers would have put anywhere near as much investment into making EVs as they have.

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    7. Re:Only 1025 per week by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Something made by Germans is a lot better than the original broken thing was supposed to be in the first place? Who would've thought.

    8. Re: Only 1025 per week by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If these model 3s are the $40k version, Tesla will, at that rate, over about a year, will have sold over $2 Billion worth of just these.

    9. Re:Only 1025 per week by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, the leaf and bolt are pretty much junk for the price that you pay. That is by design. The reason is that the these companies do NOT want EVs beating their ICE cars.
      The problem is, that Tesla is killing them in everything EXCEPT production speed and sales region (though where sold, tesla outsells other EVs close in $).

      Once Tesla introduces the MY and ANNOUNCES that they will produce econoboxes that are similar to the leaf/bolt, but for $20K, that will change everything. It is at that point that ALL car makers will have no choice but to switch.
      As it is, you will note that only those that are DIRECT competitors to Tesla are now panic and changing their lines: Porsche, MB, Ferrari, Audi, etc. IOW, Luxury and/or real performance cars. Tesla is eating them up here in America (according to good car/bad car), and once a factory goes into Germany or Austria, you can bet that Tesla will eat them up there.
      Windbourne.

      Hey, is Tesla STILL not selling Iceland? I thought that they were heading for you folks last dec.. No? It would seem like you folks would be IDEAL for it. Yeah, I know the population is small, but so is the island and heavily electric. You folks are ideal for this.

    10. Re:Only 1025 per week by superdave80 · · Score: 1

      And once it's working they plan to duplicate the whole line for 10k, finishing by the end of Q4.

      Given Tesla's previous attempts at timelines, I would change that to Q4/2019. I put the odds of them producing 10k units/week in 2018 at somewhere just below 0%.

    11. Re:Only 1025 per week by Rei · · Score: 1

      Nope, they're still not here :P Unfortunately. The last big expansion was announced last summer, so hopefully there will be a new expansion plan announced this summer. Last time it was at the Model 3 unveiling; the Model Y unveiling in "3-6 months" would be perfect. Crossing my fingers :)

      The pricing on batteries for Semi are super-low; Tesla may well be able to pull off a good economy-priced EV after the Y. One of the great things about li-ions is, even with currently inflated raw material costs, raw materials are still under $50/kWh. Which is just a couple thousand dollars per vehicle. It's all about scaling production, and mass producing the hardware that does the mass production of cells. Gee, what company has been working the hardest toward this... hmm.... ;)

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  2. Cue the Musk haters in... by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 0

    3... 2... 1... TROLL!

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    1. Re:Cue the Musk haters in... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cue the musk faggots.

    2. Re:Cue the Musk haters in... by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Somebody is definitely in the market for Tesla bad, I mean real bad. Hence the trolling, corporate main stream media, always does the bidding of advertisers, trying to guess who is tricky. They desperately want to pick up Tesla cheap, likely the reputation must having taken a bruising in recent years, and they want the Tesla brand but it is pretty expensive and more than just a little overpriced, for it's current production levels. Might not even be a car manufacturer but an electronics firm. Even got to watch who you lend money from nowdays, if they can bankrupt you, than rescue and sell you at a profit, then absolutely do not trust them, they will probably try to do it to you.

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  3. Re:Insert sausage into vagina by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They don't call it "polish" sausage for nothing. Mmmmmmmm, not zzzzzzzzz.

  4. Oh Fuck off Bloomberg.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    But Tesla CEO Elon Musk wants his electric-car company to become a dominant mass-production player that eventually extends its reach to electric trucks and beyond. The Model 3—with a sticker price as low as $35,000, but currently only available in more expensive configurations—is Tesla’s first step into the mainstream. That plan only works if the company can figure out how to make exponentially more cars. And, as often happens with Musk’s aggressive goals, Tesla has repeatedly fallen short of its own manufacturing targets.

    If Tesla can’t figure out how to make more cars soon, it could open a lane for rivals from Detroit and overseas to establish the high-volume market for a $35,000 electric car—one that Tesla has had in its sights from its very beginning. Musk’s ambitions are big, and they all ride on meeting the unprecedented demand for the Model 3.

    Oh Fuck off Bloomberg.com.
    Just another Tesla hater that wants them to fail. Wallstreet acts like Tesla is always on the brink of failure. Spoiler alert. They've already won. There is no risk of failing anymore. They've delivered 3 successful products to the market. Demand exists. They sell out on pre-orders everytime. They're developing a 4th (autonomous semi). 10 years from now, you'll still be reading articles about "Tesla on the brink of failure"

    There is some weird Republican sentiment that doesn't like Tesla because it's perceived as "liberal hippy tree hugger" or this idea that "real cars" burn fuel. This strange sentiment explains all these anti-Tesla aspirations. It's strange these feelings aren't applied to SpaceX too, an equally successful and industry disrupting company.

    Also spoiler alert. If Detroit could deliver a $35k electric car, they would. They can't. Tesla is not stopping them. Detroit is stopping Detroit.

    1. Re:Oh Fuck off Bloomberg.com by LordKronos · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Also spoiler alert. If Detroit could deliver a $35k electric car, they would. They can't. Tesla is not stopping them. Detroit is stopping Detroit.

      The Chevy Bolt starts at $37,495 (vs the Model 3's $36,200) and is actually cheaper than the Model 3 for typical option packages. Range is similar. Warranty is similar (better in some ways, worse in others). Please feel free to argue the merits of one vs the other (I personally like Tesla designs, but at least the Bolt doesn't make you navigate a fucking touchscreen display to use the windshield wipers...WTF were their engineers thinking? ), but the point is the Detroit isn't as uncompetitive as you seem to make it sound like they are.

    2. Re:Oh Fuck off Bloomberg.com by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 2

      https://electrek.co/2017/12/01/chevy-bolt-ev-us-sales-records/

      According to this Chevy sold 20K Bolts from December 2016 to November 2017. MSRP is $37,500, before any rebates

      The Ford Focus Electric has an MSRP of $29K, again, before any rebates.

    3. Re: Oh Fuck off Bloomberg.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, cur, the working class hates subsidizing rich fuckers and their sports cars.

    4. Re:Oh Fuck off Bloomberg.com by fluffernutter · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Oh, you wanted a battery with that?"

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    5. Re:Oh Fuck off Bloomberg.com by Socguy · · Score: 4, Informative

      Bolt has a lot of potential but GM seems to be content to only produce ~25,000 per year. Kinda looks like Musk was right, that they can't sell it for the price without CARB credits or they'd lose money. Over in Europe GM may have been losing as much as $12 000 per bolt. https://insideevs.com/gm-repor...

    6. Re:Oh Fuck off Bloomberg.com by Socguy · · Score: 2

      Why would they bother? With demand so high, might as well take care of the top end of the market first. Doubt that you'll see a true $35,000 model 3 till at least 2019. Maybe not even before they launch the model Y

    7. Re:Oh Fuck off Bloomberg.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, despite being GM, the Bolt has substantially better build quality than anything Tesla.

    8. Re:Oh Fuck off Bloomberg.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But... does the Bolt have over-the-air updates, autopilot-level of adaptive cruise control, and numerous additional features that make Tesla more than just a simple automobile? The trouble with an electric car designed by a car company is it's just another car designed by a car company.

    9. Re:Oh Fuck off Bloomberg.com by Oceanplexian · · Score: 1

      Every automaker loses money on the initial run of a new model line. It's not a big secret. It costs billions to produce the tooling and R&D to manufacture a new car. Over time, the automakers scale up and improve their processes to produce them at less cost.

    10. Re: Oh Fuck off Bloomberg.com by DanDD · · Score: 1

      Agreed. However, I do enjoy watching rich early adopters pay for economies of scale for new technology that helps benefit me.

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    11. Re:Oh Fuck off Bloomberg.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem with OTA updates is that every time the car's software is updated, the car has to be certified again (at least in Europe). None of the European car manufacturers are able to fathom how Tesla can get away with selling cars over here, because they sure are not allowed to provide the OTA functionality...

    12. Re:Oh Fuck off Bloomberg.com by Rei · · Score: 2

      Right. Because in the middle of a battery manufacturing problem, they should totally start making a second type of battery.

      The LR battery should be delayed by six months, but the SR battery should suffer no delays whatsoever.

      Do you see a problem with this logic here?

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    13. Re:Oh Fuck off Bloomberg.com by Rei · · Score: 1

      Tesla's margins on S and X have long been around 25%, which is very reasonable. Tesla's automotive margins currently are down to around 18% now because of the Model 3 problems dragging them down (when you're building cars at a far lower rate than the lines were designed for, using more labour than the lines were designed for at max volume, of course that's going to hurt your margins). But it's simply not accurate to claim that they lose money on their vehicles. Tesla's cash burn has been driven by capex.

      And as for the Bolt, from your article: "mainly due to a lack of scale". It doesn't help that GM purchases a lot of major components on the Bolt from LG rather than making them inhouse - aka, LG is guaranteed proper margins on their sales, but GM isn't.

      Also, your comment on the CARB credits only applies to the Bolt:

      “But the CARB credits are only effective at a production rate of about 20,000 to 30,000 vehicles a year. So that’s why you’ll see, mark my words, it’s not going to be any higher than that for the Chevy Bolt. That’s on order of 25,000 units a year,”

      25k per year (Bolt) vs. 500k per year (Model 3).

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    14. Re:Oh Fuck off Bloomberg.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chevrolet is making the Bolt so they can keep making the Suburban, Corvette, etc.
      Same reason BMW is making their electric vehicles, so they can keep making the M series.

      It is all about gaming the carbon credits and offsets, make just enough of them to meet the thresholds and limit the dollars lost down the money pit of electric vehicles while getting to make the vehicles their target customers actually want to buy.

    15. Re: Oh Fuck off Bloomberg.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stop spreading bullshit. Type Approval largely isnâ(TM)t necessary for most OTA updates, European manufactures and also governments are working very proactively to develop policy regarding anything that should however require TAC in order to have a smooth process.

      European car makers have even been buying up technology providers.

      So far Iâ(TM)m yet to encounter any government that isnâ(TM)t largely open to the things we are pushing for with regards to the future of vehicles including full automation. Things are moving at blistering speed, that in itself is extremely unusual. It seems for once though everyone realises that the benefits from embracing technology can put lots of money on lots of pockets.

    16. Re:Oh Fuck off Bloomberg.com by Rei · · Score: 1

      The Chevy Bolt starts at $37,495 (vs the Model 3's $36,200)

      MSRP on Chevy Bolt is indeed $37495, but on Model 3 it's $35k. In fact, I'm struggling to see where $36200 came from. Doc and delivery (which you have to pay for on Bolt too) is $1k, not $1,2k.

      Beyond that, Model 3 is easily superior on a stat-by-stat and feature-by-feature comparison, and has a much more interesting options list. Heck, even DC charging is an optional extra on Bolt, and it's a third the power with a much worse network.

      Don't get me wrong, Bolt would be a good choice if Model 3 didn't exist. But it's just not competitive versus it.

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    17. Re:Oh Fuck off Bloomberg.com by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Boring. Get a Zero SR; it only costs $15,000.

    18. Re:Oh Fuck off Bloomberg.com by toadlife · · Score: 1

      Chevrolet is making the Bolt so they can keep making the Suburban, Corvette, etc.
      Same reason BMW is making their electric vehicles, so they can keep making the M series.

      Without the regulations and incentives that cause legacy automakers to produce "compliance" cars, Tesla would not exist at all.

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    19. Re:Oh Fuck off Bloomberg.com by LordKronos · · Score: 1

      The Chevy Bolt starts at $37,495 (vs the Model 3's $36,200)

      MSRP on Chevy Bolt is indeed $37495, but on Model 3 it's $35k. In fact, I'm struggling to see where $36200 came from. Doc and delivery (which you have to pay for on Bolt too) is $1k, not $1,2k.

      Beyond that, Model 3 is easily superior on a stat-by-stat and feature-by-feature comparison, and has a much more interesting options list. Heck, even DC charging is an optional extra on Bolt, and it's a third the power with a much worse network.

      Don't get me wrong, Bolt would be a good choice if Model 3 didn't exist. But it's just not competitive versus it.

      Both of my figures included MSRP plus the mandatory destination charge. The Bolt Is $36,620 MSRP plus $875 destination charge ( http://www.chevrolet.com/desti... ). It was originally reported that the Tesla's destination charge was $1200. If it actually ended up being $1000 then thanks for the correction.

      Beyond that, as I said...feel free to debate which is better, but it's wrong to say that Chevy (or Detroit, as it was stated) can't compete for that price range. In fact, if anything it's the opposite. As another poster reminded me (I had read it before but forgot), Tesla hasnt actually shipped a single Model 3 at anywhere near the base price configuration, and won't for quite some time. They are shipping only higher priced models initially, which makes me wonder if they could even profitably deliver a base model now, or are they limiting manufacturing to the higher priced model to pad up the price into the profitable range while they try to reduce costs into making the base model profitable too.

      Whatever the reason, the sub $40k Bolt is currently infinitely superior to the sub $40k Model 3, because the sub $40k Model 3 does not currently exist.

    20. Re: Oh Fuck off Bloomberg.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But... does the Bolt have over-the-air updates, autopilot-level of adaptive cruise control, and numerous additional features that make Tesla more than just a simple automobile?

      That all sounds like IoT hassle to me. If I wanted silicone valley autopilot I'd hire an Uber.

      The trouble with an electric car designed by a car company is it's just another car designed by a car company.

      Now that sounds like a driver's car!

    21. Re:Oh Fuck off Bloomberg.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chevrolet is making the Bolt so they can keep making the Suburban, Corvette, etc.
      Same reason BMW is making their electric vehicles, so they can keep making the M series.

      Without the regulations and incentives that cause legacy automakers to produce "compliance" cars, Tesla would not exist at all.

      What regulation was Musk complying with when he launched a fucking car into space?

  5. Not an original idea. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Estimating production by looking at available VIN numbers assigned to and appearing
    on delivered Tesla M3s has already been done by people of the model 3 owners club.
    See their web site.

  6. It's starting to be about the charging network by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bolt and Leaf need to be able to supercharge like Tesla's in order to truly pry customers away. But since they don't want the embarrassment of using Tesla's network / tech / etc, they are going to have to roll out their own. Oh sorry, and tesla already took the early adopters.

    On the other hand, Tesla really needs to get a handle on gasoline cars and whoever else hogging charging spots. They're starting to tarnish their name and reputation.

    1. Re:It's starting to be about the charging network by Rei · · Score: 1

      Need to equip charging stalls with spike strips that retract when an EV arrives ;) Or license plate cameras fed to the police.

      At least supercharger stations have many stalls total, unlike the vast majority of CHAdeMO/CCS sites.

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    2. Re:It's starting to be about the charging network by froggyjojodaddy · · Score: 1

      it IS about the charging network! I live in Southwest Ontario and the charging infrastructure is pretty woeful, despite the governments insistence that it's committed to EVs as the future.

      The good news is that Tesla is about to open a massive supercharger station in Cambridge, ON. I drove past it a few days ago and counted at least 15 charging stations and that's right off the main 401 highway between London and Toronto so prime spot.

      The other EV manufacturers aren't really serious about EV's and it shows when you look at their commitment to the infrastructure which is basically zero. When I was looking for an EV/Hybrid, I went to the local Chevrolet dealership to look at the Bolt & Volt models. The dealership is pretty close to my gym so I figured I could leave the car charging at their single EV station in the evening for the 2 hours I'm at the gym and it would be enough to get me home on battery power.

      Upon speaking to the salesperson and even the owner, it quickly became apparent that their single station was an after thought - maybe something they had to do because corporate said they needed it in order to sell EV's. When I asked how they'd feel if I used it to charge my EV (purchased from them) in the evenings, they response I got was, "Well, sometimes we park other customer vehicles there so they can pick up their cars after hours"

      True to form, each time I drive past on the way to the gym, that spot is ALWAYS blocked by some truck or van

      Ford is no different, at least the dealerships in Brantford that don't even have L2 chargers! I've yet to see a manufacturer other than Tesla demonstrate a real commitment to charging infrastructure or even capabilities in their own dealerships.

    3. Re:It's starting to be about the charging network by Rei · · Score: 1

      The attitude of other manufacturers has always felt like, "Meh, those dirty hippies will buy electric cars either way; charging infrastructure is someone else's problem. And fast charging is pointless - for road trips, you buy a real car".

      I know there's lots of good people working for the major automakers who are strong believers in an electric future. But the attitudes from the top have been... underwhelming.

      The good news is that Tesla is about to open a massive supercharger station in Cambridge, ON. I drove past it a few days ago and counted at least 15 charging stations and that's right off the main 401 highway between London and Toronto so prime spot.

      Supercharge.info says it opened on February 2nd - are you sure it's not open? :) And yeah, it's a 16 stall station.

      The Trans-Canada highway should be interesting. They're up to Sudbury now on the east (opened 21 dec), and they're building another Calgary one on the west (not sure if that is to count as part of the highway or not). I look forward to seeing more sites going into permitting, even though I don't live in Canada. What's really neat is seeing Western Europe finish up in Spain / Portugal. Still waiting for them to come to Iceland...

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    4. Re:It's starting to be about the charging network by froggyjojodaddy · · Score: 1

      You know what? It IS open! When I drove past it originally, it looked there was still some constructions going on but maybe that was incidental stuff. Over the weekend, I saw a Tesla Model S parked in one of the bays and it definitely had the cable plugged in

  7. Windshield wipers... by DanDD · · Score: 2

    The engineers were probably thinking that the automated rain sensors on the model 3 would take over manual operation of the windshield wipers. Detecting rain on a windshield should be a little easier than automated driving.

    You can still use the lever behind the steering wheel to control momentary wipers.

    Heaven forbid that a truly innovative car company question the status quo of windshield wiper operation.

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    1. Re:Windshield wipers... by Rei · · Score: 1

      The autowiper update has indeed been rolled out.

      Also it's worth noting that when you do a manual wiper flick with the lever, that pops up the wiper context on the screen. It can also be opened with a drag on the screen.

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  8. As usual, you missed the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bloomberg is now arbitraging the Tesla numbers. They can drive the stock up or down with their unofficial reports while having plausible deniability about the accuracy for a while. Probably the ultimate result is that Tesla buys a shitload of advertising from Bloomberg and the reports become dull and boring.

  9. Right back at you. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since tesla does not buy advertising, you are full of it.

  10. The truth is in the middle by a_claudiu · · Score: 1

    Your estimate is wrong. 7,202,335,148,562,342,439,363,104,735,232 units per month will be one month after 7.5 years. The correct number is 3601167574281171219681552367616 (feel free to insert the commas).

    Considering the GP estimate of 1025 cars a week will result 53446 cars/year or 53592 (for a leap year) which translates into a monthly production rate between 4454 and 4466.

    Considering the truth is in the middle I would calculate the monthly production of tesla to be between 1800583787140585609840776181581 and 1800583787140585609840776181575 cars/month.

    Now back to my MBA course.

    1. Re:The truth is in the middle by LordKronos · · Score: 3, Funny

      I appreciate your attempt at correcting my projections, but I believe your suggestion that my calculations are off by a month are not themselves correct. I've been paying close attention to the calendar over the last few years and noticed something significant that you didn't seem to take into account. In 2016, we had 366 days in the year. Last year we only had 365. Over the next year, I expect we'll have lost another day, 2 days the year after that, and so on. By the time 7.5 years from now rolls around, we should have fallen behind by an additional 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+(8/2) days. We will have missed out on an entire 32 days, or slightly over a month. Thus, based on the current 365 day length of the year, 7.5 years from now will actually be an entire month later than you might project if you don't take this into account.

  11. Does he now? by Trogre · · Score: 1

    Good for him.

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    "Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
  12. What happens to quality? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As numbers increase I wonder what happens to quality?? I know early production that was basically run at a snails pace was creating many issues in quality control. Has Tesla solved these issues, or simply decided they would just crank out as many as they can to quell negative press? A lot of conflicting reports on Tesla these days, the corporate line is everything is smooth, but owners and assembly workers say different. Were talking a $50,000 car here when all is said and done. That's a price that demands very high quality these days. Heck I've read that a KIA has better quality then the model 3. That if true will not go over well to a buyer of the Model 3 no matter how great you feel about Tesla. It still has to be reliable and worthy of the price. Otherwise you will see dramatic drops in resale value.

  13. German tank problem by the_other_chewey · · Score: 1

    They should maybe talk to a mathematician: During WWII, the allies had
    exactly the same problem with the German tank production rate and their
    tanks' sequential serial numbers.

    It's known as the German tank problem, and statistical methods
    delivered impressively accurate results at the time (results that were doubted by
    the military, but that's another story...).