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The Slow Demise of Barnes & Noble (techcrunch.com)

John Biggs via TechCrunch reports of the slow demise of Barnes & Noble, which he has been chronicling for several years now. There have been many signs of trouble for the bookseller chain over the years, but none have been more apparent than the recent layoffs made earlier this week. From the report: On Monday the company laid off 1,800 people. This offered a cost savings of $40 million. [...] In fact, what B&N did was fire all full time employees at 781 stores. Further, the company laid off many shipping receivers around the holidays, resulting in bare shelves and a customer escape to Amazon. In December 2017, usually B&N's key month, sales dropped 6 percent to $953 million. Online sales fell 4.5 percent. It is important to note that when other big box retailers, namely Circuit City, went the route of firing all highly paid employees and bringing in minimum wage cashiers, stockers, and salespeople it signaled the beginning of the end.

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  1. Just Like Circuit City by UdoKeir · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The expensive management that steered the ship into the rocks don't get cut: https://www1.salary.com/barnes...

    1. Re:Just Like Circuit City by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The expensive management that steered the ship into the rocks don't get cut:

      Different management would have made no difference. Retail bookselling was doomed. Nothing could have saved it.

    2. Re:Just Like Circuit City by rahvin112 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Maybe, maybe not, but those extravagant salaries certainly accelerated the decline. That $40 million in savings from firing 1800 people could have been had by firing a single CEO, and probably triple that could have been had removing the entire management team and replacing them with someone that knew the business and had a vision for the future.

      B&N was doomed by an inability by lack of vision, the created the first Android based Ebook reader and they gave up the market through negligence. The management during this period had no vision for the future and was obsessed with the next quarter, not the technological revolution that was going to totally change their industry. B&N never adapted, there are plenty of independent book sellers still in business and actually thriving because they cater to the people that actually read books. B&N's management took the path of selling board games and coffee rather than trying to attract people that actually read books. Rather than focus the business they tried to generalize and drove the real readers to the independent book sellers.

      They would have done better to fire all the management and hire one of those independent book sellers to run the chain.

    3. Re:Just Like Circuit City by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Incorrect. Retail bookselling is only doomed in stupid countries. They're stupid for 2 reasons: first, they don't love books and second, they stood by and did nothing as Amazon walked up with a smile and ruined their book industry.

      If you look at Japan, their book industry is a monster. The Japanese LOVE to read, it's a national passion. As a result, when Amazon came to Japan and went to their publishers to try and give them the same deal that all western publishers had no choice but to accept, the Japanese laughed at them. Ebooks are a novelty in Japan and the entire country still prefers physical magazines, physical books (as well as physical CD's and movies....Japan is the only place left on earth where artists still sell over a million physical copies of releases).

      I live in Sydney, AU. All the Aussie bookstores went out of business....know who is doing better than ever? KInokuniya....a Japanese book chain, whose shop in Sydney continues to thrive, even as our own bookstores are now just memories. Inside Japan, the biggest success story in retail in the past decade or so is Book-Off, a national chain of used bookstores. If you go to Tokyo, you can see their passion in action, there are 2 suburbs (Kanda & Jinbocho) dedicated ENTIRELY to books (Kanda is where all the publishers are HQ'd and Jinbocho is the biggest collection of used bookstores in the world).

      Places that love books, still have books. Places full of stupid people have Amazon.

  2. B&N went from best-middle of the road by gurps_npc · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I hate amazon. It's prevalence makes searching for other sellers harder. That said, B&N is no better.

    Barnes and Nobles used to be the best book store. That is why it outlasted all the other big chains.

    Now, when I go to a B&N, they give the same crappy service that the old chains do. They used to have a section for the new science fiction/fantasy books, not anymore. The new ones are shelved alphabetically. Same for Mysteries.

    As for the Nook, they do stupid things like storing samples as if they were books. When you read a sample, no link to buy the book (let alone opening the new book to the end of the sample and deleting the sample).

    Their service has gone down hill. They decided to try and out-cheap Amazon. They failed.

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    1. Re:B&N went from best-middle of the road by gurps_npc · · Score: 2, Informative

      Note the word "third party seller". I'm the first party, Amazon is the SECOND party.

      Amazon inserted itself as a middleman into all those transactions. They are not the best thing to happen to small business - internet sales are the best thing.

      Amazon made it slightly easier for the seller by taking a slice of their profit and also making it MUCH harder for anyone that doesn't want to give Amazon that slice of the profit.

      Worse, it makes deep searches much harder. Do a search for anything that is for sale and Amazon pushes itself to the top of the list. If you are not trying to buy, it's annoying and makes searching for what you really want much harder. If you are trying to buy it is very hard to use any other store.

      The word for that is Monopoly and it should be considered a curse word.

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    2. Re:B&N went from best-middle of the road by Teckla · · Score: 5, Insightful

      weird, cause amazon is full of third party sellers to the point it's impossible to buy something from amazon itself. they are the best thing to happen to small business in decades

      Ugh, I avoid almost all of Amazon's third party sellers like the plague, because there are so damn many shady companies, many of them selling counterfeits, used items as new, broken items, etc. -- and Amazon does not seem particularly interested in policing the problem...

    3. Re:B&N went from best-middle of the road by Teckla · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I started going to B&N less and less because it upset me that they wouldn't give me the good price unless I signed up for their damn club. I hate that shit.

    4. Re:B&N went from best-middle of the road by Locke2005 · · Score: 2

      If they didn't charge $50/year to sign up for their club, I would. I simply don't buy enough books to be worth it, and books are significantly cheaper at Costco and on Amazon.

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    5. Re:B&N went from best-middle of the road by Obfuscant · · Score: 3, Informative

      What "required expenses" do brick and mortar stores have that Amazon doesn't have?

      It costs money to lease space in malls, and money to keep it open to the public. It is much cheaper to lease or build warehouse space that is open only to employees.

    6. Re:B&N went from best-middle of the road by AuMatar · · Score: 2

      No it isn't. That's due to the market. Malls are built because they can charge rent. Developers build downtown stores because they can charge rent- high rent. You don't see warehouses downtown because the owners can make more money tearing them down and building other things. There is absolutely 0 to do with regulations here. Its all supply and demand of the real estate market. And it is a FUCKING HUGE cost of running brick and mortar stores.

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    7. Re:B&N went from best-middle of the road by Bert64 · · Score: 2

      Less large shipments (and more personal journeys) would be replaced with more small shipments, people would still buy the goods and need to get them home.

      Brick and mortar stores provide the benefit of letting customers view the product before buying it, but often they will view in a store and then order it online for a lower price.

      There are also various actions which significantly hurt these stores, like lack or cost of parking or poor availability of transport. Going to a store could result in you wasting several hours of your time plus transport costs, only to find the store doesn't have stock of the item you wanted.

      A lot of places have also become greedy with parking, either charging extortionate fees for parking or making it difficult in order to generate more revenue from parking fines.

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    8. Re:B&N went from best-middle of the road by Bert64 · · Score: 2

      Economies of scale, and convenience...
      You can have one large warehouse that serves deliveries to a wide area, but the area that a store can serve is limited by the distance people are willing to travel. So you end up with multiple smaller stores each with less stock.

      You can put the warehouse in a cheaper location, a store has to be where potential customers can reach it easily.

      A warehouse only needs sufficient parking for staff and waiting delivery trucks, a store needs parking for customers too.

      For a store the stock has to be displayed for customers, for a warehouse that's not the case so it can be stored more efficiently.

      A store has a greater risk of theft, as the public is able to enter the store and handle the goods. There is also a greater risk of goods being damaged in this way. While theft from a warehouse is not unheard of, a distribution warehouse is a private building only accessible to staff - thefts are less common, and the perpetrators are easier to catch.

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    9. Re:B&N went from best-middle of the road by Bert64 · · Score: 2

      Both of those sell a *LOT* more than just books... You have to weigh up the cost of the membership fee against the total value of items you're going to buy there over the course of a year.

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  3. Sad by Locke2005 · · Score: 2

    I thought they had saved themselves with the Nook (unlike Borders). But their business model is fundamentally flawed; you can't compete with Amazon prices while paying high-end department store lease costs! In December, it looked like they were trying to be a toy store to bring margins up, but that didn't work for them either (and Toy-R-Us is going out of business too.) Can anybody compete with Amazon?

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  4. 50% markup over Amazon by rfengr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    B&N sells the books for list price, which is typically 50% over Amazon. That’s too damn much, physical store or not.

    1. Re:50% markup over Amazon by Obfuscant · · Score: 4, Interesting

      B&N sells the books for list price, which is typically 50% over Amazon. Thatâ(TM)s too damn much, physical store or not.

      They are, however, about the only reliable periodical dealer left. You can still go in and pay cash for magazines you don't necessarily want connected to you.

  5. The Problem with Brick and Mortar Bookstores by Stormy+Dragon · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There's so many books that they can only possibly stock a tiny percentage of them in the store. Unless I'm going to by some just out best-seller, it's unlikely the book I want is going to be there.

    Sure I could order it, but then why not just order from Amazon? It takes the same amount of time to arrive at that point and I saved myself two trips to the mall.

    If brick and mortar book stars were going to survive, the needed to switch over to some sort of print on demand system like the Espresso Book Machine that could spit out any book a customer might want in an hour.

  6. Re:Dumb management by Beeftopia · · Score: 2

    There's a certain amount of cash coming in. When that's reduced, the decision makers don't want to take a pay cut. So they cut costs. It just goes to show a) how good they are at managing and b) where their priorities lie (not with the long-term health of the organization).

  7. Re:No Wonder by mikael · · Score: 2

    They actually did that in the past. Some companies used to publish telephone directories of Email addresses, because they really thought that was going to be the future.

    Book stores were really popular before Amazon and online internet. You could walk into a high street bookstore in a large city and it would be a paradise of advanced knowledge. Every subject in the world would be there to read; science, fiction, reference, technical, music, arts, geography.

    After Amazon, those bookstores have been relegated to selling fiction and crime categories if they haven't been closed down altogether.

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  8. Jeez, just go to some other store. by shess · · Score: 3, Funny

    I suggest B. Dalton or Waldenbooks. I hear Borders is alright, too.

  9. B&N does not have to die ... by Kiliani · · Score: 5, Interesting

    .. but probably will.

    Couple of points:

    Independent book stores can do well, Amazon or not. They can do very well indeed if they serve the local community, if they are book lovers/book worms (at least to some reasonable degree) and not just mere brainless peddlers of books. You don't need a large inventory to make this a good experience. Provide a good user/customer experience, add value. Don't sell candles. I actually think good board games are ok, but then know your games, too.

    Go, for example, to the Book People in Austin, Texas, in the U.S. (hey, this is slashdot, stop by when you go to SXS next time). It's actually a rather large store, by square footage, but the number of different books is not all that large by comparison. A fair percentage of the books there have been read by staff and they talk about these books. Lot's of hand-written cards telling you about the books, and all those books they recommend/have read are displayed with their front page, not their spines. In fact, I'd say that close to 1/2 their display space shows the fronts of books on the shelves, not their spines. Tells you how many fewer books per linear yard of shelf space they present. You'll find a good book every time you go. I do. (I don't live there, but I visit the store when I do go.). I know, this is Austin, and Austin is weird. Still, loose the pink hair and some of your tattoos/piercing, and this works wherever you want this to work.

    In Germany one of the most well-known chains (Hugendubel) went almost bankrupt when they went the way of B&N (or more precisely, Borders). The next generation took over the leadership of the chain, and it now looks like they will actually make it and do well again. Why? Store respond to the local needs, stores got more independence, they started selling books knowledgeably again, in fact, they make their new stores smaller again (you guessed it, fewer candles, cards and videos), etc. etc. Yes, they all have a café now (why not??), which they own and operate (no chain Joe there).

    Same with Blackwell in the UK. Although the Oxford store is crazy large and friggin' amazing ... Same problems here not too long ago, and a very similar solution. Amazon does not need to kill your business. But you *do* need to adapt.

    But people are right: if management sucks, they will take the business down sooner or later. Which is why B&N may well die –or rediscover its roots in NYC. We shall see, I wish them luck. I hope they reinvent themselves, which they can if they fire management and hire people who really *want* to sell books the right way.

    BTW, I always laugh at all the comments about Amazon. Don't get me wrong, they are too large, the know too much, they suck in many parts, yada yada yada. All true. Nonetheless, we buy a lot at Amazon. When do we do it? The price has to be right, it has to be much easier than to drive around town to get the item I need, and there is no need whatsoever that I inspect/try on/evaluate the item in person before I buy it. Which is one of the reasons why I basically stopped buying books at Amazon. They treat books like crap. Books arrive damaged so often that it is not funny. On top of that, Amazon has stopped being all that cheap to begin with. No books, no electronics, no clothing (God no!), no groceries (sorry, that's just plain silly), and many others. Nice to have Amazon if you break a leg, though. I often wind up at specialty retailers (brick and mortar or online) instead. I go window shopping at Amazon a lot and then buy elsewhere (the reverse of what many stores complain about ...). And yes, you can do this anonymously if you care to, even if that means you get a different price than the next Jane doing it – but that is true no matter what you do. Amazon games us. Game back as much as you can.

    On a side: if Amazon deploys high end AI to make shopping recommendations to me, I'd rather rely on the stray cat my partner feeds outside at the moment. Can't be worse than what the cat picks. Amazon's recommendations are just so utterly, utterly useless.

    If you are a nerd/engineer, it *is* fun to see the tech of their delivery chain in the warehouses.

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    1. Re:B&N does not have to die ... by Eravnrekaree · · Score: 2

      B&N collapsing would be good for independents since it would leave the market open for them. Then you would have the businesses that are responsive to local needs that you desire. So, it could be a very positive thing. Why worry about it.