Sweden Considers Six Years in Jail For Online Pirates (torrentfreak.com)

Sweden's Minister for Justice has received recommendations as to how the country should punish online pirates. From a report: Helene Fritzon received a proposal which would create crimes of gross infringement under both copyright and trademark law, leading to sentences of up to six years in prison. The changes would also ensure that non-physical property, such as domain names, can be seized.

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And how much....

[Sebby]

.... for those that falsely claim copyright infringement on stuff that they don’t own copyright on to begin with?

Re:And how much....

[Cinnamon Beige]

Hi! I'm happy to see that you're finally (re?)joining the internet, AC! It's been a busy few decades, and a lot has changed since you left!

One of the things that has changed is the creation of automated copyright claims, which have a known tendency to result in false (and occasionally outright absurd) claims, and IP trolling has risen!

We've had, since you left, people making copyright claims on original material, degrading what could possibly be counted as fair use, and recorded cases of people making copyright claims against themselves. Proving that you are in fact making fair use, or otherwise not infringing on somebody else's IP, is now a rather expensive prospect. The longstanding laws that actually do cover misrepresenting yourself as the owner of a piece of IP to the court, or demanding payment in return for not being sued (which can bankrupt you to win in some countries) are not enforced. Oh, yeah, and some countries, all you really need to do is be able to afford to keep it going the longest, because the other guy just needs to stop being able to afford to defend himself.

I am not inclined to bet that a law like this would be drafted to improve the situation, or even keep it from getting worse by having the basic sense to clearly define 'gross infringement.' (I would suggest having part of the requirement be 'make $ off of.') Toss in some penalties for anybody misrepresenting themselves as the owner of IP, and for creating honeypots--yes, there's one case of somebody who was the representative of a piece of IP using a pseudonym to stick it on bittorrent and then go after people who got copies of the IP that way. (Last I checked, the courts had decided that it don't matter if the account name is PirateKing, if you put your stuff or your client's stuff up yourself, the copies gotten that way are in fact legal copies.)

Re:And how much....

[negRo_slim]

Exaxctly. And rapists in Sweden get 2-4 years. Again politicians are bribed by the movie/music industry.

Which is a pretty severe, many of these rapists are new immigrants unaccustomed to Swedish legal and cultural norms and most importantly sexual emergencies are a very real thing and traumatic thing for these newcomers.

Better idea

[alvinrod]

Why not just make them do community service instead? I don't think it's really in the interest of the taxpayers to spend tens of thousands of dollars (or Swedish Krona I suppose) to lock up non-violent individuals who are committing what would be best regarded as civil offenses.

Re:Better idea

[arglebargle_xiv]

I think they should make the punishment proportional to that for existing crimes. For example leaking private data for your entire population, including sensitive law-enforcement and military data, was penalised by the offender being docked six months pay. So on that scale copyright infringement should attract a fine of 10 Ãre. That's fair.

Meanwhile Afghan men can murder for less than 2 yr

[aliquis]

Mean-while Afghan men can murder people in Sweden and get a punishment of less than 2 years of prison.

That's because among the adults of Afghans hardly anyone got the right of asylum so they lie and claim they are children. And while applying for asylum it's kinda ok to lie and the Migration office may believe them.

But then when they actually do kill someone else then it become up to the court to show that they are adults and good luck with that since you don't even know who the fuck they are in the first place.

And since Sweden don't have the same sentences for actual youth (and even less for people below 15 years old) as for adults they get a very low punishment.

https://petterssonsblogg.se/20...
"16" years now, supposedly "15" then.

So less than two years for knife murder.
Up to six years for breaking copyright.

Make sense. The idiots in charge and those who want to keep all the afghans for instance claim we must have rule of law as far as immigration and peopleÂs behavior in response to criminality goes. But it's of course only valid when it benefit the invaders and destroy the life of Swedes. But the system definitely isn't fair or just and we don't have equality against the law in Sweden because the immigrants can do whatever the fuck they want since they can just claim to not be responsibility because they are children whereas actual Swedes can't even if they behaved like the filth coming here which by itself would be very unlikely. So far.

Re:Pirate Party

[aliquis]

Life-time in prison in Sweden is a prison sentence until further notice.

After 10 years in prison for a life-sentence you can ask to have them set a time for your punishment. _IF_ they decide on a time sentence instead if can become no shorter than 18 years. It's common practise in Sweden to let people get out conditionally after 2/3 of the time. On average people get a "24" year sentence in jail which mean that given the 2/3 sentence before conditionally release that they will stay in prison on average for 16 years.

Life in Sweden isn't 10 years. You can't just sit 10 years on a life-time prison sentence in Sweden. You can get it replaced with a time sentence after 10 years of time.

As for the pirate party it's very much dead and it sadly used to be all about piracy and hardly anything about freedom of speech and transparency and democracy which would be much more important and interesting. Then some homosexual (?) woman got into the leadership of the party and it become some ... at-least in part some sort of refugee possibly pride party. I guess one can't say the left stole the party because it always seemed to be about theft of intellectual party rather than something more interesting. I guess actual freedom of speech and freedom and democracy in general would be more of a right-wing thing whereas the left definition of "democracy" is rather socialist dictatorship / theocratical/ideological rule without the right and chance to change it.

I don't think Swedish politicians did it to get Assange. I however think they were perfectly fine keeping Assange stuck in his position and try to force him to come to Sweden no matter what the risk was for him because that's what the law said and if Sweden is good at anything it's usually to follow the terms ..

It makes a lot of sense...

[LoyalOpposition]

Helene Fritzon received a proposal which would create crimes of gross infringement under both copyright and trademark law, leading to sentences of up to six years in prison.

You can get a lot of political contributions from copyright holders; hardly any from murderers.

~Loyal

Re:Meanwhile Afghan men can murder for less than 2

[Calydor]

The thing is that there are different kinds of bad situations.

People who are actually running away from war and fear of death? Sure, give them a helping hand.

People who walk all the way up through Europe to get to the country with the best financial benefits available? Send them back where they came from. You do NOT call yourself a refugee after crossing through a handful of peaceful European countries just to get to where you wanted to go.

Sweden, unfortunately, is paralyzed with political correctness. Police officers that finally speak up about crime rates inflating out of control in muslim-heavy parts of the country are fired for subverting the public's faith in the authorities.

https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

so I RTF proposition (in Swedish)

[xpiotr]

Basically the proposition raises the maximum punishment and divides it into 2 categories
1. If you download something at home for "private use", the punishment will be fines and possibly UP TO MAXIMUM 2 years of prison.
2. If you start a business where you make money of pirating content, you may go to prison 6 month UP TO MAXIMUM 6 years.
Original proposition + google translate. https://translate.google.com/t...

Re:Meanwhile Afghan men can murder for less than 2

[AmiMoJo]

Sweden agreed to take people from other EU countries, as part of an EU plan to lessen the burden on those countries that are geographically close to the problem by distributing the refugees.

If the EU didn't try to do this then the frontier countries would just hand those people visas and tell them to leave for other EU countries anyway, and it would be chaotic and create huge problems. It's not been perfect but it's been far better than it would have been if they had done nothing.