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Sweden Considers Six Years in Jail For Online Pirates (torrentfreak.com)
Sweden's Minister for Justice has received recommendations as to how the country should punish online pirates. From a report: Helene Fritzon received a proposal which would create crimes of gross infringement under both copyright and trademark law, leading to sentences of up to six years in prison. The changes would also ensure that non-physical property, such as domain names, can be seized.
.... for those that falsely claim copyright infringement on stuff that they don’t own copyright on to begin with?
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Why not just make them do community service instead? I don't think it's really in the interest of the taxpayers to spend tens of thousands of dollars (or Swedish Krona I suppose) to lock up non-violent individuals who are committing what would be best regarded as civil offenses.
In neighboring Norway you can get less time in prison for first degree murder.
Than consuming content from the big distributors... They wont be missing much in jail. :P
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Why do I think this is mostly aimed at stopping the Pirate party. Life in prison in Sweden is 10 year, And proposed for piracy is 6? That sounds pretty political.
Also, It's not like Sweden would use politics, for let's say, to go after a person so they could try to extradite him to the US for leaking documents. /s
Mean-while Afghan men can murder people in Sweden and get a punishment of less than 2 years of prison.
That's because among the adults of Afghans hardly anyone got the right of asylum so they lie and claim they are children. And while applying for asylum it's kinda ok to lie and the Migration office may believe them.
But then when they actually do kill someone else then it become up to the court to show that they are adults and good luck with that since you don't even know who the fuck they are in the first place.
And since Sweden don't have the same sentences for actual youth (and even less for people below 15 years old) as for adults they get a very low punishment.
https://petterssonsblogg.se/20...
"16" years now, supposedly "15" then.
So less than two years for knife murder.
Up to six years for breaking copyright.
Make sense. The idiots in charge and those who want to keep all the afghans for instance claim we must have rule of law as far as immigration and peopleÂs behavior in response to criminality goes. But it's of course only valid when it benefit the invaders and destroy the life of Swedes. But the system definitely isn't fair or just and we don't have equality against the law in Sweden because the immigrants can do whatever the fuck they want since they can just claim to not be responsibility because they are children whereas actual Swedes can't even if they behaved like the filth coming here which by itself would be very unlikely. So far.
I was trying to find Swedish sentencing guidelines for rape. The maximum seems to be either 4 years or 10 years, with actual time served possibly as low as 16 months. I may be wrong, but it seems this recommendation for this non-physical crime makes it worse than rape in the eyes of the law.
Maybe we should punish the heads of corporations for minor civil violations like they seem to want to the proletariat.
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... the sentences imposed on pirates for similar crimes range from four years to life in prison. The average sentence globally is 16 years ...
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
What he did would not be considered rape in the US. He committed a crime in Sweden that is considered a type of minor sexual molestation but literally translates to rape.
So many people open their fucking mouths when they are completely uninformed on the topic.
Forget The Pirate Bay. We need a new torrent site: BLACK LGBT MUSLIM BAY. Untouchable. Unquestionable. That or JEW BAY.
Helene Fritzon received a proposal which would create crimes of gross infringement under both copyright and trademark law, leading to sentences of up to six years in prison.
You can get a lot of political contributions from copyright holders; hardly any from murderers.
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How about millions of dollars?
People used to complain a guy who stole a loaf of bread got a longer sentence than a white collar thief of $10 million.
Well how about a white collar thief who unlocked a door and let $10 million get looted, deliberately, and again and again?
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Yes. In extreme cases, maybe some women and children can temporarily stay in specific areas. Full grown men with beards that are pretending to be children should be sent back and that's currently the vast majority of the "refugees." They most definitely should not be given even more benefits than people that have been contributing to the Swedish system for their entire lives.
Send in a non-violent offender, get back a hardened criminal six years later.
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A brain.
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
I agree. The system in Sweden is idiotic. It needs to quickly close this loophole, and especially since it takes several weeks to get the medical results back on determining one's age, Sweden needs to promptly fly back anyone who lied about their age directly to their home country (to at least make an example of them).
That being said, I'm not sure if this blog you linked to is true. And if true, I'm not too concerned about Ahmad only doing two years. He only killed another guy who had previously raped him (assuming the story is true and assuming Google translate translated the blog post accurately). I don't think he should be put in prison for 12 years for that. And the other guy he killed was also technically 17 years old (but that too is probably a fabrication because everyone else thought that he was an adult too).
Another nation the net needs to route around.
Prison time and the risk of extradition? Who wants to risk Sweden digitally?
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
Pay the digital jizya or no internet for you.
Banditry or highway robbery on the information superhighway?
Thats top on the list of corruption on earth. Depending of the legal school that will replace Swedish law.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
You know those "you have to be this tall to get on the ride" signs at amusement parks? I do it like that. We might let in a few manlets but they're relatively harmless and would eventually be weeded out by their crippling insecurity.
The rape allegation isn't about non consensual condom removal. It's that he work someone up having sex with them without a condom when they had previously consented to sex only with a condom.
https://www.theguardian.com/me...
The following day, Miss W phoned Assange and arranged to meet him late in the evening, according to her statement. The pair went back to her flat in Enkoping, near Stockholm. Miss W told police that though they started to have sex, Assange had not wanted to wear a condom, and she had moved away because she had not wanted unprotected sex. Assange had then lost interest, she said, and fallen asleep. However, during the night, they had both woken up and had sex at least once when "he agreed unwillingly to use a condom".
Early the next morning, Miss W told police, she had gone to buy breakfast before getting back into bed and falling asleep beside Assange. She had awoken to find him having sex with her, she said, but when she asked whether he was wearing a condom he said no. "According to her statement, she said: 'You better not have HIV' and he answered: 'Of course not,' " but "she couldn't be bothered to tell him one more time because she had been going on about the condom all night. She had never had unprotected sex before."
The police record of the interview with Assange in Stockhom deals only with the complaint made by Miss A. However, Assange and his lawyers have repeatedly stressed that he denies any kind of wrongdoing in relation to Miss W.
In submissions to the Swedish courts, they have argued that Miss W took the initiative in contacting Assange, that on her own account she willingly engaged in sexual activity in a cinema and voluntarily took him to her flat where, she agrees, they had consensual sex. They say that she never indicated to Assange that she did not want to have sex with him. They also say that in a text message to a friend, she never suggested she had been raped and claimed only to have been "half asleep".
Police spoke to Miss W's ex-boyfriend, who told them that in two and a half years they had never had sex without a condom because it was "unthinkable" for her. Miss W told police she went to a chemist to buy a morning-after pill and also went to hospital to be tested for STDs. Police statements record her contacting Assange to ask him to get a test and his refusing on the grounds that he did not have the time.
Despite Assange's lawyers making 'a sophisticated argument' that this would not be rape in the UK, UK courts repeatedly ruled it was :
http://jackofkent.com/2012/06/...
The position with offence 4 is different. This is an allegation of rape. The framework list is ticked for rape. The defence accepts that normally the ticking of a framework list offence box on an EAW would require very little analysis by the court. However they then developed a sophisticated argument that the conduct alleged here would not amount to rape in most European countries. However, what is alleged here is that Mr Assange "deliberately consummated sexual intercourse with her by improperly exploiting that she, due to sleep, was in a helpless state". In this country that would amount to rape.
Which meant he could be extradited to Sweden. Once the Supreme Court ruled that and he'd run out of appeals he fled to the Ecuadorian Embassy to avoid extradition and remains there to this day.
Actually if he'd agreed to have an HIV test when Miss W asked him after the whole 'waking her up having unprotected sex' thing, he could probably have pre-empted her going to the police. But he said he was too busy because he's a massive asshole. So now he's stuck in the Embassy, probably indefinitely.
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Unfortunately, it is, and Trump isn't making things better.
If only Russia hadn't installed him, we would have Hillary, and things would be A-OK.
Do you seriously think turning away all refugees would benefit more humans than it would harm?
Long term - quite possibly. Depending how well the refugee population integrates, depending how well the existing residents sort out their own prejudices, depending how many more refugees get dumped in without any thought or planning.
It's entirely feasible that yes turning away all refugees could benefit more humans than it would harm. Europe is a big place after all, with quite a lot of people...
Or do only native born Europeans count?
Irrelevant dog whistle, but thanks for playing.
The thing is that there are different kinds of bad situations.
People who are actually running away from war and fear of death? Sure, give them a helping hand.
People who walk all the way up through Europe to get to the country with the best financial benefits available? Send them back where they came from. You do NOT call yourself a refugee after crossing through a handful of peaceful European countries just to get to where you wanted to go.
Sweden, unfortunately, is paralyzed with political correctness. Police officers that finally speak up about crime rates inflating out of control in muslim-heavy parts of the country are fired for subverting the public's faith in the authorities.
https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
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Except it's not. After 10 years you can petition to have 'life' changed to 'X years' which, as I understand it, can never be less than a total of 16 or 18 years.
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Basically the proposition raises the maximum punishment and divides it into 2 categories
1. If you download something at home for "private use", the punishment will be fines and possibly UP TO MAXIMUM 2 years of prison.
2. If you start a business where you make money of pirating content, you may go to prison 6 month UP TO MAXIMUM 6 years.
Original proposition + google translate. https://translate.google.com/t...
Sweden agreed to take people from other EU countries, as part of an EU plan to lessen the burden on those countries that are geographically close to the problem by distributing the refugees.
If the EU didn't try to do this then the frontier countries would just hand those people visas and tell them to leave for other EU countries anyway, and it would be chaotic and create huge problems. It's not been perfect but it's been far better than it would have been if they had done nothing.
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I have my suspicions as to the real origins of such "recommendations" and I am not thinking of the Swedish police or civil service,
Such ideas could ultimately have come from some criminal organisation that is legal in its home country of "not Sweden". That organisation is well known for theft of copyright itself. It only steals from the people who actually create music so feels that doesn't count.
I'll see your Constitution and raise you a Queen.
people can get away with less for rape.
The money isn’t looted, though. The movie studios aren’t poorer by one penny for the act of pirating a movie alone. They do suffer from lost sales, which are harder to calculate. Pirates aren’t robbers; they are more like the guys who open the fire escape in a movie theatre to let their pals in.
The studios would have us believe that every pirated copy of Time Cop constitutes a lost sale to the tune of the retail value of the physical DVD. At one point the movie and music industry tried to attribute all of the decline in revenue to piracy. They also argue that every downloader (using BitTorrent) is also a distributor of pirated content, with potential damages assessed accordingly. To the point where the total damage due to piracy, by their method of calculation, exceeded the GDP of the entire world. The reality is quite different of course. Piracy should be a crime, but the punishment should fit that crime, without the perpetrator being made “an example”, nor being punished for the crimes of others. In your example, the guy who unlocked the door would not be punished for the theft of $10M, because that’s on the heads of those who actually took the money. To punish him for that, you have to show that he’s an accomplice in a planned heist.
If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...
It's also paralysed by people not understanding the rules and getting angry about things they don't understand. You seem to be such a person.
Piracy should absolutely not be a crime. Sharing some mp3s is not an offense that should be responded to by armed men with guns dragging you off to a cage. It should be a civil issue.
is trying to bring into reality their deeply buried, unconscious and socially verbotten rape fantasies by pouring into their country millions of rapists hailing from the most rapey culture in human history.
Feminism is cancer.
There's degrees. Sharing some mp3s is not the same thing as running a torrent website, especially if you make money doing so. The problem is that the industry would *love* to apply "men with guns" to all instances of piracy, even poor old granny downloading a song to mix with her funny cat video.
If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...
Can't be arsed to deal with their refugee rapist problem though, can they?
2 years of prison for a civil case of copyright infringement. Awesome!
Kill Michael Jackson: Two years in jail
Copy his songs: Six years in jail
Stop using knowledge and logic, its not allowed. I can sell you 3 cans of mouth foam for the price of 2.
Criminal 1: What are you in for?
Criminal 2: Murder, you?
Criminal 1: Rape, what about you over there?
Criminal 3: I sent my friend a Taylor Swift song
Let's be clear: Making money running a torrent site is not an offense that should be responded to by armed men with guns dragging you off to a cage. That is a disproportionate response to the charge of copyright infringement regardless of the scale or motive.
An example of a proportional response would be voiding the copyrights (if any) held by anyone convicted of copyright infringement.
"The state is that great fiction by which everyone tries to live at the expense of everyone else." - Bastiat
And my point is that the 'refugee' descriptor has been muddied a lot in the last few years, with migrants, immigrants, refugees, anyone-not-natively-from-this-country being a 'refugee' (and 17 years old always, WTF happened 18 years ago to cause this baby boom?!) because of the legal protections that status grants.
The very first step to solving this problem is to clean up the definitions between refugees, migrants, immigrants, opportunists, etc.
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So, someone from Syria who is demonstrably fleeing death and war, showing up in the UK should be sent back, because they happened to show up in the UK?
In the Netherlands the refugee procedures were often years long; this wasn't due to the refugees prolonging the procedure, it was due to the lawyers handling the application were paid per refugee, per month. So prolonging the procedure, meant more $$ for the lawyer handling the procedure. In some exceptional cases refugees were in limbo for 12 years. Unable to work, unable to develop themselves through education.
At the same time there were lots of dutch people who were actually misinformed and blamed the refugees for the huge expense of the cost of handling refugees, while all that time it was the incompetent bureaucracy and often greedy lawyers who were to blame.
The mountains of madness have many little plateaus of sanity - Terry Pratchett.
You used to be so enlightened.
Copyright Infringement is a victimless crime.
Example: A is copied and becomes A2.
Facts:
1) The owner of A still has A and A is the exactly the same as A before it was copied.
2) The owner of A may never know that A was copied. There is zero impact on A and its owner as a result of the copying.
The owner of A may claim that the person holding A2 would (with 100% certainty) have bought a legal copy of A if A2 wasn't available. This claim requires:
1) The holder of A2 would have legal access to buy A.
2) The holder of A2 would to able to afford A.
3) The holder of A2 wants to buy A if A2 wasn't available.
None of these three has ever been validated in court. Lots of piracy is about availability and cheaper alternatives, yet holders of A2 would be prosecuted even if A isn't available for legal purchase and/or is so expensive that it is impossible for the holder of A2 to afford A.
Final fact: The creation of A2 has not cost the owner of A anything in most cases, simply because almost no sale of A is replaced by getting A2 elsewhere.
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As a Syrian refugee in Sweden pointed out Greece cannot even take care of their own people let alone refugees and there is no work.
The Syrian refugee who says: 'Don't come to Sweden... or think carefully about it' - BBC Trending
That title is a bit tongue-in-cheek but he does say Syrians have unrealistic expectations of Sweden. Not that he's complaining.