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BuzzFeed Unmasks Mastermind Who Urged Peter Thiel To Destroy Gawker (buzzfeed.com)

One day in 2011 a 26-year-old approached Peter Thiel and said "Look, I think if we datamined Gawker's history, we could find weak points that we could exploit in the court of law," according to the author of a new book. An anonymous reader quotes BuzzFeed News: Peter Thiel's campaign to ruin Gawker Media was conceived and orchestrated by a previously unknown associate who served as a middleman, allowing the billionaire to conceal his involvement in the bankrolling of lawsuits that eventually drove the New York media outlet into bankruptcy. BuzzFeed News has confirmed the identity of that mystery conspirator, known in Thiel's inner circle as "Mr. A," with multiple sources who said that he provided the venture capitalist and Facebook board member with a blueprint to covertly attack Gawker in court. That man, an Oxford-educated Australian citizen named Aron D'Souza, has few known connections to Thiel, but approached him in 2011 with an elaborate proposal to use a legal strategy to wipe out the media organization. That plot ultimately succeeded... D'Souza was aware of Thiel's public comments likening Valleywag to al-Qaeda, and presented a brazen idea: Pay someone or create a company to hire lawyers to go after Gawker.
TechCrunch reported earlier this month that Gawker's old posts "will be captured and saved by the non-profit Freedom of the Press Foundation," which was co-founded in 2012 by the late John Perry Barlow. But in addition, the Gawker estate "continues to threaten possible legal action against Thiel, and hopes to begin discovery to examine the billionaire's motivations for secretly funding his legal war," the article concludes. If a New York bankruptcy court approves, and if the process "unearths anything of meaning, the estate may have grounds to sue Thiel on the grounds of tortious interference, the use of legal means to purposely disrupt a business.

"To head that off, Thiel bid for the remaining Gawker assets -- including the flapship domain Gawker.com, its archive, and outstanding legal claims, like those against himself -- though Holden has made it known that he may block any sale to Thiel, no matter how much the venture capitalist is willing to bid."

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  1. Same basic concern remains by JoshuaZ · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The same basic concerns are the same as at the beginning of this process. On the one hand, Gawker was terrible, and we haven't really lost much by losing them. On the other hand, a world where billionaires can functionally drive media sources into bankruptcy by proxy lawsuits is potentially incredibly chilling on free speech. And in the case of the Hulk Hogan lawsuit, the jury should at least have been made aware that Hogan was being bankrolled by Thiel (since it goes to Hogan's credibility and sincerity as a witness), although I imagine that that wouldn't have actually impacted that decision at all since Gawker's behavior was unambiguously terrible. But, a general rule that people should have to disclose in a lawsuit when they are being paid by someone else to run it isn't crazy.

    Also the idea that Gawker didn't know why Thiel doesn't like them( as sort of implied in the summary) is ridiculous. Thiel doesn't like Gawker because they wrote articles outing him as gay and then repeatedly writing more articles with it in the headline: http://gawker.com/335894/peter-thiel-is-totally-gay-people.

    1. Re:Same basic concern remains by jcr · · Score: 3, Interesting

      ...and if Gawker didn't have a nasty habit of receiving stolen goods, Thiel wouldn't have been able to touch them. Fuck those guys.

      -jcr

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    2. Re:Same basic concern remains by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As far as we know, Hogan filed and continued the suit because he wanted to, and not due to any coercion or renumeration. Thiel merely allowed him to do what he wanted to do anyway.

      If Thiel hadn't, it may be that Gawker would have forced Hogan to settle because Hogan couldn't afford to continue the suit - but that would be Gawker using financial advantage to prevent justice, not Thiel or Hogan...

      All in all, the tactic of funding poor applicants to achieve a verdict is common and used by all civil rights organizations - and trying to limit it because this time the loser was a well connected media-liberal organization (which richly deserved it) is regressive and will backfire.

    3. Re:Same basic concern remains by JoshuaZ · · Score: 3, Insightful

      When civil rights organizations, or for that matter, political organizations throughout the political spectrum help fund a lawsuit, they are completely above board about doing so. It wasn't until very late in the process that it became at all apparent that Thiel was involved and it seems like the jury was never made aware. That's very different. If you want example, consider DC v. Heller https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller where the Cato Institute (which is right-leaning libertarian group) openly supported the lawsuit against the DC gun control regulations. That's the norm, not doing so hidden behind proxies. Gawker being a "well connected media-liberal organization" isn't an issue here. Heck, I'd be just as concerned if some billionaire bankrupted Breitbart this way.

    4. Re:Same basic concern remains by Hal_Porter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We haven't lost Gawker though. Nick Denton got bankrupted. Gawker Media got sold to Univision. Univision shut down Gawker.com but the other verticals are still running.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gawker_Media#Univision_Communications_acquisition_and_subsidiary_era_(2016-present)

      On August 16, 2016, Univision Communications paid $135 million at auction to acquire all of Gawker Media and its brands. This ends Gawker Media's fourteen years of independence, as going forward it will become a unit of Univision.

      On August 18, 2016, it was announced that Gawker Media's flagship site Gawker would be ceasing operations the week after. Univision continues to operate Gawker Media's six other websites, Deadspin, Gizmodo, Jalopnik, Jezebel, Kotaku, and Lifehacker. Gawker's article archive remains online, and its employees were transferred to the remaining six websites or elsewhere in Univision. On August 22, 2016, at 22:33 GMT, Denton posted Gawker's final article.

      And as people are fond of telling me here when conservatives get silenced : "Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences. Also if it's not the government censoring you it's not a violation of the First Amendment".

      Nick Denton could start a site and put up all the stolen sex tapes he likes. And if, like The Daily Stormer, he gets his site pulled by his ISP for doing it, that's also not a First Amendment violation.

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    5. Re:Same basic concern remains by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      IMHO, the issue here isn't disclosure. The supposed problem here is "[some rich entity] can functionally drive media sources into bankruptcy by proxy lawsuits". Disclosure won't do anything here to stop it - they can just keeping funding lawsuits. Obviously, the endgame is either declaring this to be a non-problem (which I support - the courts and existing SLAPP laws can handle this), or apply actual remedies to prevent external funding - the latter will hit poor people and civil rights organizations too.

      BTW, I'm not sure disclosure should be admissible; After all, it's not material to the facts of most cases, the only function of such an action is to prime the jurors based on whether the like the entity funding the case - that's NOT justice.

      Lastly, Gawker being a well-connected media-liberal organization is quite relevant. First, there wouldn't be a media campaign and stories about this otherwise. Second, I'm just as concerned about media organizations abusing their clout and their money to shut up victims. Somehow this looks like the media trying to expand their power and get a legal immunity not available to normal people.

    6. Re:Same basic concern remains by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      ...and if Gawker didn't have a nasty habit of receiving stolen goods,

      You mean like Wikileaks?

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    7. Re:Same basic concern remains by haruchai · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "The reason Thiel hated Gawker was that they outed him as gay while he was on a business trip in Saudi Arabia, where homosexuality is a crime punishable by death. Gawker almost git him killed"

      Bullshit. He's not a Saudi citizen and unless he's caught in Riyadh cocksmoking a young buff Arab, they have no legal grounds.
      Execute a wealthy foreigner based on hearsay? Not fucking likely.
      By the way, Thiel who is now KNOWN to be gay, has been back to Saudi Arabia since being outed.
      Tim Cook had been reported to be gay since 2011 and when he officially acknowledged it, he didn't merely say "yes I'm gay", he wrote in Bloomberg Business in 2014 " I consider being gay among the greatest gifts God has given me"
      How does a blunt statement like that play in the militantly religious atmosphere of Saudi Arabia?
      Cook has been to the region several times since coming out and has met with members of the Saudi royal family.

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    8. Re:Same basic concern remains by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      government property is public property..

      Go steal some government property and then tell the judge that it's OK because it's public property. See how that works out for you.

      Also, Wikileaks doesn't only post stolen public property. Most of what they're famous for was actually private property.

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    9. Re:Same basic concern remains by Kohath · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ...Those decisions must be made ONLY by those charged with enforcing laws currently in effect...

      Like a court and a jury?

    10. Re:Same basic concern remains by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 2

      Gadflys use any source they can obtain.

    11. Re:Same basic concern remains by Oligonicella · · Score: 2

      When you got nothing else, you scrape.

    12. Re:Same basic concern remains by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      Those who support Wikileaks argue that the public has an interest in knowing what their government does in their name.

      Wikileaks most famous leaks have been of stolen private property. So, no.

      Do you believe the public has a similar right to know who is "totally gay", as Gawker put it?

      If someone is using their considerable money and power to support an anti-gay political agenda, then yes. the fact that Peter Thiel is gay is of public interest.

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    13. Re:Same basic concern remains by Hal_Porter · · Score: 3, Interesting

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      Thiel, who himself is gay, has supported gay rights causes such as the American Foundation for Equal Rights and GOProud. He invited conservative columnist Ann Coulter, who is a friend of his, to Homocon 2010 as a guest speaker. Coulter later dedicated her 2011 book, Demonic: How the Liberal Mob Is Endangering America, to Thiel. Thiel is also mentioned in the acknowledgments of Coulter's "Adios, America: The Left's Plan to Turn Our Country Into a Third World Hellhole". In 2012, Thiel donated $10,000 to Minnesotans United for All Families, in order to fight Minnesota Amendment 1.

      He's was anti gay marriage in 2012, but he's not anti gay. Wasn't Obama still denying he supported gay marriage back in 2008?

      http://time.com/3816952/obama-...

      2008: As a presidential candidate, Obama pledges to repeal DOMA and 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell,' which banned the service of openly gay troops in the U.S. military
      He also says, repeatedly, that he is against gay marriage. "I believe that marriage is the union between a man and a woman. Now, for me as a Christian - for me - for me as a Christian, it is also a sacred union. God's in the mix," he tells pastor Rick Warren at the Saddleback Presidential Forum in April.

      So Thiel's great sin was not coming round to supporting gay marriage as opposed to civil partnerships quickly enough. So clearly he has to be outed and shamed publicly. After all we can't have those filthy homos straying off the vote plantation and thinking they're allowed to not change their opinion when the Democrats tell them to.

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    14. Re:Same basic concern remains by iMadeGhostzilla · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's an interesting comparison Breitbart. I visit Breitbart from time to time (I consider myself independent/center-right), partly for fun partly to get the pulse of the far right. I wouldn't want it bankrupted. But I wouldn't want a far-left publication such as alternet or Vox to be bankrupted either.

      But I'm still glad Gawker went down. I think the difference is that Breitbart/alternet fight for what they see as better future by whatever means. Gawker on the other hand seemed to just want exploit misery for profit, and even worse, for the sake of it. It reminds me of the "ugly clinic" from the Judge Dredd comics.

    15. Re:Same basic concern remains by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Gawker was just engaging in some low grade homophobia for cheap laughs and mud slinging against a guy they didn't like. Schoolyard stuff, and indefensible.

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    16. Re:Same basic concern remains by ravenshrike · · Score: 2

      Had the shit for brains Daulerio taken the lawsuit seriously in the first place it is likely that even if he lost, the amount of money that the payout would have consisted of would have been well within the ability of Gawker to pay. But when you say in a legal deposition that you are willing to publish a child sex tape in a flat, bored tone, people are not going to look upon you kindly.

    17. Re:Same basic concern remains by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      Thiel, who himself is gay, has supported gay rights causes such as the American Foundation for Equal Rights and GOProud.

      Interesting story about GOProud.

      https://www.thedailybeast.com/...

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  2. Exploit in court? Gawker was wrong by iamhassi · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Stop defending gawker. They were wrong and the courts agreed they were wrong. No one needed to "find weak points to exploit".

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  3. Yeah, they kinda did by rsilvergun · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Show trials are a common thing in this world. They get the plaintiff publicity and sympathy to help them relaunch a career in show biz and the defendant sells papers/clicks. I suppose you could complain the courts shouldn't be used for this, but it's popular enough with the masses that it's allowed and it's mostly harmless. Gawker's mistake was not knowing Thiel was gunning for them. .

    I keep saying this, but Theil didn't hate Gawker for outing him (he's a billionaire, at his level there are no consequences actual crimes let alone legal behavior), he hated them for writing stories about his shady business dealings. Gawker did a lot of tabloid journalism but they used it to fund a lot of real journalism; a tradition as old as journalism itself. What we old folk used to call muckracking.

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    1. Re:Yeah, they kinda did by alvinrod · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Gawker's mistake was not knowing Thiel was gunning for them.

      Or you could say that their mistake was refusing to take down a sex tape after being ordered to by the court. It doesn't matter how much someone is gunning for you if you don't do stupid shit to piss off a judge.

    2. Re:Yeah, they kinda did by Entrope · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That is a hell of a lame dodge. You don't even have the guts to make the (risible) claim that Gawker faced a show trial. They faced a fair trial, dug their own grave, jumped it in, and dared the court not to bury them.

      If Gakwer did not commit serious torts, then aggravate those by defying legitimate court orders, they would not have faced the damages verdict that bankrupted them. Instead, they made it clear they didn't care who they wronged or what they got wrong as long as they got clicks.

  4. Tortious interference by Kohath · · Score: 3

    A tortious interference claim is for wrongful and improper actions. Funding a lawsuit can hardly be considered wrongful or improper. Close all the courthouses forever if it is.

    Gawker's conduct was wrongful and improper. That's why they lost.

    Also, in a bankruptcy you can't just decide not to sell to someone you’re prejudiced against. There's are legal responsibilities. If he bid the highest and has the most credible plan for the assets, it will be very hard to justify (in court) not selling them to him.

  5. Re:George Soros by hey! · · Score: 2

    No, not a spy, a paid troll. I'd never mistake you for a spy. It take balls to be a spy.

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  6. Re:GOOD. by dirk · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well, except your version of events never happened. Gizmodo didn't steal an iPhone prototype from anyone. Some guy lost it by leaving it in a bar and they purchased the lost prototype from the guy who found it and did a teardown on it. They didn't steal it and they didn't try to destroy the career of the guy who lost it.

    I wasn't a fan of them purchasing it at the time and I'm still not. But what happened is a far cry from your description of what happened. But don't let the facts get in the way.

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  7. Re:NOT GOOD. by Kohath · · Score: 2

    That's not the point. The point is that if every rich asshole is capable to run a media company into the ground "just because", we are in deep trouble.

    So far it’s only one media company — the one full of assholes that couldn't be bothered to follow any rules. It turned out that following at least one rule was important.

  8. You can't honestly believe by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    the Saudis would have moved against an American billionaire? You're simply not allowed to be that naive about how the world works. Laws apply differently to the ultra rich.

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  9. Re:GOOD. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    It is sad that this got modded up as informative.

    Well, except your version of events never happened. Gizmodo didn't steal an iPhone prototype from anyone. Some guy lost it by leaving it in a bar and they purchased the lost prototype from the guy who found it and did a teardown on it. They didn't steal it and they didn't try to destroy the career of the guy who lost it.

    I wasn't a fan of them purchasing it at the time and I'm still not. But what happened is a far cry from your description of what happened. But don't let the facts get in the way.

    Point of fact, one finding lost property doesn't make one the true owner of said property.

    Looking at California law, http://codes.findlaw.com/ca/pe..., it is clear that in this case the person who found the iPhone and didn't return it is guilty of theft, and consequently Gawker was handling stolen property.

    On this point, jcr is 100% correct, and dirk is 0% correct.

  10. Re:GOOD. by Entrope · · Score: 5, Informative

    Technically, they received stolen property.

    Considering that Gizmodo paid $5000 cash for it, it easily exceeded the $950 threshold below which "receiving stolen property" is a misdemeanor.

  11. Re:They didn't know the opposition existed by Marful · · Score: 2

    I don't recall the judge hiding at all. I even recall him openly telling gawker to cut their shit out and take down the video.

    All gawker had to do was follow what the judge ordered.

    Thiel bankrolling the whole thing has nothing to do with why they lost; it was their hubris and arrogance is why.