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Two More 'SWAT' Calls in California -- One Involving a 12-Year-Old Gamer (ktla.com)

In January an online gamer in California was arrested after at leat 20 fake emergency calls to police, one leading to a fatal shooting in Kansas. But this week in California there's been at least two more fake calls:
  • A 12-year-old gamer heard a knock at his door Sunday -- which turned out to be "teams of Los Angeles police officers and other rescue personnel who believed two people had just hung themselves." The Los Angeles Police Department "said there's no way to initially discern swatting calls from actually emergencies, so they handle every scenario as if someone's life is in danger," according to the Los Angeles Times. The seventh-grader described it as "the most terrifying thing in my life."
  • 36-year-old David Pearce has been arrested for falsely reporting an emergency at a Beverly Hills hotel involving "men with guns" holding him hostage. A local police captain later said that the people in the room had not made the call and in fact might have been asleep through much of the emergency. The Los Angeles Times reports that there's roughly 400 'SWATting' cases each year, according to FBI estimates, adding that "Some experts have said police agencies need to take the phenomenon more seriously and provide formal training to dispatchers and others to better recognize hoax callers."

Meanwhile, in the wake of a fatal shooting in Wichita, Kansas lawmakers have passed a new bipartisan bill increasing the penalties for SWAT calls. If a fake call results in a fatality -- and the caller intentionally masks their identity -- it's the equivalent of second-degree murder. "The caller must be held accountable," one lawmaker told the Topeka Capital-Journal.


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  1. Really "no way to discern"? by Entrope · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If there is really no way for a 911 dispatcher to tell that a call is arriving from somewhere outside the local area through a commercial VoIP service, that is a shameful state of affairs that needs to be addressed. Probably all SWATing hoaxes involve that kind of proxy to reach the target dispatch, and probably vanishingly few legitimate emergency calls use those services.

    If a dispatcher sees a VoIP call that indicates a high risk of violence or strongly points to heavily armed response, that should be good grounds to watch out for a hoax.

    1. Re:Really "no way to discern"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Last thing I'd want while talking to a 911 dispatcher is for them to be allowed to have doubt in my story.

    2. Re:Really "no way to discern"? by Kohath · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ...that should be good grounds to watch out for a hoax.

      The fact that anything could be a hoax is good grounds to watch out for a hoax.

      But we don't need "good grounds" for the police to be careful when deciding to shoot at people.

    3. Re:Really "no way to discern"? by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 5, Informative

      The calls are often to a NON-EMERGENCY number, since 911 would route it to the SWAT'ter's local 911 service center. Calling a non-emergency number about a life-and-death issue should be a big clue. Apparently, that's what happened in the SWAT'ting that caused a death recently.

    4. Re:Really "no way to discern"? by PsychoSlashDot · · Score: 2

      Last thing I'd want while talking to a 911 dispatcher is for them to be allowed to have doubt in my story.

      Last thing I'd want is a bunch of people wrongfully shot dead because doubt is too scary for some other people who might have a story that "requires" a paramilitary strike.

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    5. Re:Really "no way to discern"? by Entrope · · Score: 2

      Sure, any call to the police could be a hoax. The issue is that this kind of hoax is both dangerous and somewhat frequent, so it is worth considering how to identify such hoaxes quickly.

    6. Re:Really "no way to discern"? by geekmux · · Score: 2

      If there is really no way for a 911 dispatcher to tell that a call is arriving from somewhere outside the local area through a commercial VoIP service, that is a shameful state of affairs that needs to be addressed. Probably all SWATing hoaxes involve that kind of proxy to reach the target dispatch, and probably vanishingly few legitimate emergency calls use those services.

      If a dispatcher sees a VoIP call that indicates a high risk of violence or strongly points to heavily armed response, that should be good grounds to watch out for a hoax.

      The problem with your "easy" fix is when you're wrong, and someone dies as a result.

      With the popularity of cloud-based phone services, WiFi calling, and the number of people who have no "home" phone, it's hard to use VoIP as a delineation point.

    7. Re:Really "no way to discern"? by geekmux · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Last thing I'd want while talking to a 911 dispatcher is for them to be allowed to have doubt in my story.

      Last thing I'd want is a bunch of people wrongfully shot dead because doubt is too scary for some other people who might have a story that "requires" a paramilitary strike.

      That takes proper training to assess a threat, and has little to do with the problem of fake calls. You either have trigger-happy idiots behind an armed response, or you do not.

      This is a two-fold problem. Make no mistake that change needs to happen on BOTH sides.

    8. Re: Really "no way to discern"? by nnull · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And how would you tell? Recently I'm getting phone calls with spoofed called ids, when you call them back, a real person answers that is confused about what's going on. The phone companies bare a large responsibility for allowing this, since they claimed this would never happen since the inception of caller Id.

  2. Good job by Kohath · · Score: 4, Funny

    Congrats to the LA police for not killing any innocent people when responding to those incidents. Keep it up.

  3. Attempted murder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Anything that elicits an armed SWAT response should be considered an attempt to kill the SWATee.
    There is no other reason you'd send an armed response team into a situation that split second decisions mean more people may die.

    Once swaters start publicly getting 20+ years for single swat attempts it'll put off a fuckton of others.

    1. Re:Attempted murder by ScentCone · · Score: 2

      Locking up people that use guns to kill has dramatically reduced the number of mass-shootings. Or not.

      Most people that commit such crimes don't survive the process. The few that do are generally crazy, or completely baked on some hateful ideology. And since there are very, very few such incidents, your willingness to make assertions about it all is pretty pointless. Murders of all kinds have been going steadily down for decades. They're nearly half what they were in, say, the late 1980's. And the numbers of deaths caused by people using rifles or shotguns or any sort of long gun are a pale shadow of the number of people who are beaten or stabbed to death. The number of "mass shootings" is rare in the way that tornado deaths are. And yes, properly enforcing laws, not letting people slip through the background check process, and prosecuting/incarcerating known criminals would indeed greatly reduce mass shootings - because "mass shootings" (as reported by law enforcement and then used in agenda-driven discussions in the media) include things like three drug dealers on a street corner being lightly injured by flying bits of masonry when another gang banger drives by and takes a shot at them and misses.

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  4. Re:You know what else gets Swatted? by SUCK+MY+BALLS!!! · · Score: 2

    If there is really no way for a 911 dispatcher to tell that a call is arriving from somewhere outside the local area through a commercial VoIP service, that is a shameful state of affairs that needs to be addressed. Probably all SWATing hoaxes involve that kind of proxy to reach the target dispatch, and probably vanishingly few legitimate emergency calls use those services.

    If a dispatcher sees a VoIP call that indicates a high risk of violence or strongly points to heavily armed response, that should be good grounds to watch out for a hoax.

  5. Stupid; the POLICE are responsible for a shooting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You should NOT rely on data from UNCONFIRMED and potentially unreliable sources to initiate violence against another human being. This is a training issue- not an issue with someone placing a fake 911 call. What this does is it misplaces blame and diverts responsibility for shooting someone to that other than the shooter. The person who placed the fake call should be held responsible for abusing resources- not a murder committed by a poorly trained or over-reactive officer. But no, we can't ever hold the people with guns responsible for there own poor decisions, officers in blue can't ever make mistakes. They're our "heroes". The sad fact is government kidnaps and murders more people every year than all the serial murders and terrorists combined. The problem isn't prank calls or terrorism. It's poor training and an excessive number of police and military personal.

  6. Not that difficult by Uberbah · · Score: 2

    Take every call seriously, but don't shoot the first person within two seconds of him walking out the door. Far too many cops are scared chickenshits, or get-their-gun-off types, neither of which has any business being a cop or possessing a firearm.

    1. Re:Not that difficult by bigmacx · · Score: 2

      Yep. I really want to see what happens to the cop that blasted the wrong SWAT'd non-gamer. They were set soo far back and behind cover. I dunno what the risk really was to them beyond what we should expects cops to endure. Not sorry, it's a dangerous field you chose, so you're not gonna be able to be completely safe all the time...

      But then again, we have the time just recently with the AR-15 cop that killed that suspect who four-legged crawling at him while being ordered to do so and then the cop murdered him, but not according to the jury.

      And killing our dogs seems to be sport to them. The one time I know was public news where the cop was pursuing a suspect through yards and went through one with a dog in it...not the suspect's dog or anywhere near his yard. The cop blasted it of course and nothing happened to them. Killing your pet is sport to cops.

  7. Go back to old policing tactics by Karmashock · · Score: 2

    Back in the day they wouldn't just kick the door down and go in with tactical teams every time they got a call. Obviously use SWAT when you need "Special Weapons And Tactics"... but if what you actually need to do is send some officers over to knock on a door.. .maybe do that instead.

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  8. military response? by k6mfw · · Score: 2

    I haven't followed much of these stories, I see lots of media and commentaries but no personal knowledge of situations calling for a SWAT team. It seems to me these events begin with one phone call from a single person that leads police to response like the military, similar to something looks funny so call in a airstrike with a few 2000lb bombs. If approaching this like the military, have a recon team to assess the situation before calling in the big stuff that leads to huge collateral damage. Or treat it like a crime instead of a war.

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  9. return to civilian policing by Reverend+Green · · Score: 2

    America does not need SWAT teams. We don't need an occupying army with tanks and machine guns rampaging through our city streets.

    Disband all SWAT team is now! Return to civilian policing!

    For that once-a-year situation that's too much for normal cops to handle, that's why we have a National Guard. In the other 99.999% of the situations there is no need for a paramilitary response.