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Samsung Announces the Galaxy S9 With a Dual Aperture Camera, AR Emojis (arstechnica.com)

Samsung has taken the wraps off of its latest flagship, the Galaxy S9, at Mobile World Congress in Barcelona, Spain. The S9 features a familiar body with an upgraded camera, relocated fingerprint scanner, and newer processor. As usual, there are two versions: the Galaxy S9 and Galaxy S9+. Ars Technica reports: The S9 is one of the first phones announced with the new 2.8Ghz Snapdragon 845 SoC in the US, while the international version will most likely get an Exynos 9810. Qualcomm is promising a 25-percent faster CPU and 30-percent faster graphics compared to the Snapdragon 835. The rest of the base S9 specs look a lot like last year, with 4GB of RAM, 64GB of storage, a 3000mah battery, and a 5.8-inch 2960x1440 OLED display. The S9+ gets the usual bigger screen (6.2 inches @ 2960x1440) and bigger battery (3500mAh), but one improvement over last year is a RAM bump to 6GB. Neither RAM option is really outstanding for a phone this expensive, considering the much cheaper OnePlus 5T will give you 6GB and 8GB options for RAM at a much lower price. Both S9 models have headphone jacks, MicroSD slots, a new stereo speaker setup (one bottom firing, one doubles as the earpiece), IP68 dust and water resistance, wireless charging, and ship with Android 8.0 Oreo.

Both the Galaxy S9 versions are getting a main camera with two aperture settings. Just like a real camera, the Galaxy S9 has a set of (very tiny) aperture blades that can move to change the amount of incoming light. On the S9 they're limited to two different positions, resulting in f/1.5 and f/2.4 apertures. In low light the aperture can open up to f/1.5 to collect as much light as possible, while in normal or bright light it can switch to f/2.4 for a wider depth of field. Samsung is also answering Apple's Animojis with "AR Emoji." They work just like Apple's Animoji: using the front sensors to perform a primitive version of motion capture, the phone syncs up a character's facial expressions to your facial expressions.
The Galaxy S9 clocks in at $719.99 and the S9+ is going for $839.99. In the U.S., preorders start March 2 at all four major carriers, and the phones ship out on March 16.

137 comments

  1. 5.8 inch screen by SeaFox · · Score: 2

    I'll have to get myself a man-purse to carry it in.

    1. Re: 5.8 inch screen by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      Man-purses... for those without man-hands?

    2. Re:5.8 inch screen by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      I'll have to get myself a man-purse to carry it in.

      Too small a screen.

      Asians use screen size as status symbol (hence why iPhone X sales are soft - the screen is sized for practicality, not status). If you can hold your phone in one hand, and use it, you are basically a beggar. If it takes two hands, you poor thing, how do you get about your life? If you need at least three hands to carry your phone, great, you're making it big!

      Doesn't matter if you need 6 hands to actually use it. Size is king.

    3. Re:5.8 inch screen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      iPhone X is shit regardless of its size.
      It tries to copy successful design of iPhone 4, but with a usual jony ived butthole addons - retarded rounded edges, thin and ugly, lack of features, stupid camera setup etc.

    4. Re:5.8 inch screen by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Funny

      The true status symbol is the lackey walking behind you, carrying your phone and helping you hold it to make a call.

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    5. Re:5.8 inch screen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stupid retards have lackeys too.
      Nice to know your aspirations in your useless parasitic life.

    6. Re: 5.8 inch screen by Cederic · · Score: 0

      You carry your phone in your hands all the time?

      I put mine in my pocket, and use my hands to do manly things, like chopping down trees, eating large steaks and fondling attractive women.

      This phone is too fucking big to put in a pocket.

    7. Re:5.8 inch screen by Teun · · Score: 1

      Shows you.
      Only 1.2" to go before they catch up with the 2012 era Nexus 7 that fitted the inside pocket of my jacket.

      Judging by myself I know why tablet sales are dropping faster than phone sales, most modern phone screens are big enough for our daily use.

      And because I'm careful with my money I've just ordered a new OnePlus 5T, the otherwise perfectly working OnePlus 3 goes to the lady who's Nexus 4 with broken GPS will become an IP security camera.

      This all says phones are already for years so good and powerful there's no need to upgrade every 1 or 2 years.

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    8. Re:5.8 inch screen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get rid of your hipster skinny jeans and it'll fit easily in your pocket.

    9. Re:5.8 inch screen by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Hiring people to do useless stuff is pretty much the way ahead now that automation takes away all the real jobs. Why do you hate innovation and capitalism? Are you a luddite or a commie?

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    10. Re:5.8 inch screen by alvinrod · · Score: 1

      The true status symbol is the lackey walking behind you, carrying your phone and helping you hold it to make a call.

      Maybe if you're a peasant.

      Unless you've got at least four lackeys carrying your giant phone around in a palanquin everyone is going to know you're a nobody. You'll probably want another lackey or two spreading rose pedals for good measure.

    11. Re: 5.8 inch screen by tsqr · · Score: 1

      This phone is too fucking big to put in a pocket.

      Odd. My S8+ has a 6.2" screen, and I have no problem putting in my pocket. But then, I don't try to make it fit sideways.

    12. Re:5.8 inch screen by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      If you can afford someone to carry your phone, why not have them answer it as well, so you don't need to talk to people on the phone.

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    13. Re: 5.8 inch screen by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      You carry your phone in your hands all the time?

      That question is entirely orthogonal to the matter of whether the phone is adequately sized for one's hands.

    14. Re:5.8 inch screen by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      But then people could think that HE owns the phone!

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    15. Re:5.8 inch screen by Bongo · · Score: 1

      I'll have to get myself a man-purse to carry it in.

      The 50 lbs IBM 5100 is light enough for anyone.

    16. Re: 5.8 inch screen by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      You carry your phone in your hands all the time?

      I put mine in my pocket, and use my hands to do manly things, like chopping down trees, eating large steaks and fondling attractive women.

      This phone is too fucking big to put in a pocket.

      1. You chop down trees with your hands? Don't most people use a saw?

      2. You eat steak with your hands? Don't most people use a knife and fork?

    17. Re: 5.8 inch screen by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Maybe if you wear skinny jeans.

    18. Re:5.8 inch screen by lexman098 · · Score: 1

      With the tiny bezels it's actually smaller than a lot of phones with even smaller screens.

    19. Re:5.8 inch screen by torkus · · Score: 1

      It's ironic to see these phones out now...

      Everyone laughed at Dell when they launched a 5" phone/tablet. Granted it had larger bezels and all but still! They were ahead of their time it seems.

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    20. Re:5.8 inch screen by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      iPhone X is shit regardless of its size.
      It tries to copy successful design of iPhone 4, but with a usual jony ived butthole addons - retarded rounded edges, thin and ugly, lack of features, stupid camera setup etc.

      If the iPhone X a copy of the iPhone 4 (whatever that means!), then isn't the Galaxy S9 a copy of the iPhone X?

    21. Re: 5.8 inch screen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This phone is too fucking big to put in a pocket.

      Odd. My S8+ has a 6.2" screen, and I have no problem putting in my pocket. But then, I don't try to make it fit sideways.

      Maybe we're not all as fat as you.

  2. Imitation may be the sincerest form of flattery... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But Sammy really are pretty fucking pathetic with AR Emoji.

  3. They can take their locked bootloader... by Type44Q · · Score: 1

    They can take their locked bootloader and stick it up their kimchee-reeking asses.

    1. Re:They can take their locked bootloader... by sheramil · · Score: 1

      Saying "it has a locked bootloader" is a challenge. Wait a few days.

    2. Re: They can take their locked bootloader... by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      KNOX, unfortunately, tends to be a bit more secure than that.

    3. Re: They can take their locked bootloader... by torkus · · Score: 1

      Only if you want to use KNOX that is.

      Samsung has multi layers of protection and authentication for it's bootloader. You can hack it but give up security by doing so - which is kind of reasonable to be honest.

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  4. Emoji is for morons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you use emoji, you should literally jump off a bridge, you sub-human piece of shit.

    1. Re:Emoji is for morons by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      COUNTERPOINT:

      Yes, emoji are for morons, and Slashdot should totally support emoji (and animated gifs). At this point, they might as well just say, "fuck it" and go balls to the wall.

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    2. Re:Emoji is for morons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's possible the programming skills are long gone. After all, some basic things like any kind of Unicode support aren't getting done..

    3. Re:Emoji is for morons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      :)

    4. Re:Emoji is for morons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slashdot hasn't had a decent upgrade for many years.

      Realistically if they would get off their PHP morphine addiction and join the modern age they would re-write the back end to be node.js which based on the stumbling the site has experienced lately is probably due to their having an apache web server that can only handle limited connections, whereas with a websocket each server should be handling roughly 65,000 concurrent connections.

      I'm guessing they just do not have the technical chops to get the job done despite the audience of this site. I believe they are utilizing some form of framework and probably have little to no idea how to write anything at all, they are business people after all not really coders like most of us.

      The site is experiencing frequent outages, bizarre behavior reading posts, weird losses of posts, weird issues where attempting to submit a post just vanishes into nothingness. It feels like they don't have any callbacks coded to wait for functions to finish and therefore everything tries to jumble all at once and anything that doesn't make it within the page load time just gets forgotten so if you ever want to see a page of all the comments you need to reload the site 2 or 3 times.

      Sloppy, easily fixable, obvious lack of investment.

    5. Re: Emoji is for morons by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      I thought it was written in Perl, hence why it's so incredibly hard to fix.

    6. Re:Emoji is for morons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, look at the BIG BOY who doesn't use Emoji!

    7. Re: Emoji is for morons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? That is interesting, though not in a good way. It should be written in the language of the web, perl is not the language of the web though it is a fine language. At any rate, the site really just retrieves comments from a database and displays them according to the slider and their score. That does not sound like it is particularly difficult to re-write.

      I think part of the problem is that it fetches all comments and simply hides some. A more effective solution would be to fetch only the comments the slider allows and then cache them in memory, in the event the slider changes it should cause another database call out for those comments that have come into range and cache them as well. Then if the slider is moved back and forth it should hide/display with ease because it will be working off memory rather than having to perform call outs each time.

      Callbacks should also be in effect as well as parallel processing for the display of comments to increase efficiency and ensure that there are no breaks requiring the page to be reloaded to fetch content which failed to show up before the page loaded entirely the first time.

      It is just terrible that they do not have a full time on staff developer to tell them these things and make the necessary changes. If they do then perhaps a staffing upgrade is in order to bring in new blood with new skillsets for the modern age. I am betting from my experience they just ditched the developer if they ever had one after the work was done with no mind to maintenance/upgrades which is why whoever wrote the site/framework is the only one who could fix it.

    8. Re: Emoji is for morons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They don't fetch all the comments in their entirety (many are cut midway), which I would actually prefer - when my internet is slow, it will fail at downloading some or all additional text when moving the sliders.
      There's a lot of text, but it's still only text. Making a network request for every comment would kill me. It wastes resources not save them.

      But, whether I'm wrong or not on the above, I would like to browse at -1 and be done with it (I used to log in for that)

      PS : arguably perl was the language of the web in the 90s

  5. AR Emojis?! by nagora · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wow, that would be a real selling point if I were 6 years old.

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    1. Re:AR Emojis?! by GrandCow · · Score: 1

      Animojis from the iPhone X or AR Emojis from the S9 may not be your thing, but they are absolutely driving interest in the flagship phones from both companies.

      I don't want to say you're getting old and the world has moved beyond you, but you should really think about how the tech in a simple phone these days is brushing up against million dollar Hollywood mocap tech. Obviously, there's an exponential difference between the two, but the fact that a cell phone can even give something close to that in real time should be something you appreciate, not tell people to get off your lawn about.

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    2. Re:AR Emojis?! by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I see it somewhat differently. If Animoji and AR emoji are really what passes for cutting edge new features that differentiate flagship phones now, it means there’s very little reason to upgrade your phone anymore - unless it breaks.

      Now, get off my lawn.

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    3. Re:AR Emojis?! by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Animojis from the iPhone X or AR Emojis from the S9 may not be your thing, but they are absolutely driving interest in the flagship phones from both companies.

      Are they though? Apple and Samsung obfuscate their sales figures but there's a fair bit of evidence that new generations of high end phones have disappointing sales figures and people are either keeping their old phone or buying a budget one.

      The majority of people download zero apps per month.

      https://techcrunch.com/2017/08...

      And of the ones who do how many need a 2.8Ghz Snapdragon 845 SoC? The apps I use would run fine on a much slower CPU than that.

      It's like with PCs. An old high end or new budget device is good enough for most people. And people bitch about the features that are being removed from new end devices.

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    4. Re:AR Emojis?! by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      So you say that, technically, these emojis are a technical feat. Sure. But seriously Apple and now Samsung making a top selling point out if it?
      Don't think it'll have a deep impact on most users lives, phone wise...

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    5. Re:AR Emojis?! by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      Or that!

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    6. Re:AR Emojis?! by Calydor · · Score: 1

      Zero apps per month?

      Maybe because when people get a new phone, most of their standard apps (like Facebook, Snapchat etc.) come pre-loaded, and they already know which ones they need to go and get, so that gets done on day one.

      And then ... well, how many programs do you download for your computer in a month once you have everything you need installed? Phones are no different in that regard.

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    7. Re:AR Emojis?! by hawguy · · Score: 1

      Animojis from the iPhone X or AR Emojis from the S9 may not be your thing, but they are absolutely driving interest in the flagship phones from both companies.

      Are they though? Apple and Samsung obfuscate their sales figures but there's a fair bit of evidence that new generations of high end phones have disappointing sales figures and people are either keeping their old phone or buying a budget one.

      The majority of people download zero apps per month.

      https://techcrunch.com/2017/08...

      And of the ones who do how many need a 2.8Ghz Snapdragon 845 SoC? The apps I use would run fine on a much slower CPU than that.

      It's like with PCs. An old high end or new budget device is good enough for most people. And people bitch about the features that are being removed from new end devices.

      I'm one of those that downloads around 0 apps per month (last time I got a phone, I didn't install any new apps, just carried over the ones from my new phone).

      However, with every OS and app update, my phone seems to get slower and slower, I want to stay on top of security updates, so ignoring updates is not really a solution.

      I realize that this is right where Google wants me to be -- to keep me trapped in the upgrade cycle but my 2.5 year old Nexus 5X is starting to feel unusable at times and I'll likely update it by the end of the year when I see what phones Google comes out with. I don't know if the bottleneck is memory or CPU, but any phone I move too will be better in both.

      I'll probably stick with a Google phone though, I like Samsung's hardware, but not their Android customizations, if they sold a pure Android version, I'd get an S9 tomorrow.

    8. Re:AR Emojis?! by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      Wow, that would be a real selling point if I were 6 years old.

      Samsung does their marketing homework. Their studies show that most adults buying ultra-expensive smartphones have the mentality of 6-year-olds.

      On the serious side:

      The S9 is one of the first phones announced with the new 2.8Ghz Snapdragon 845 SoC in the US, while the international version will most likely get an Exynos 9810

      Why, and what does this mean . . . ? Is one better than the other . . . ?

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    9. Re:AR Emojis?! by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Have you thought of doing a firmware reset on the device? I did that for a quite a while on my Galaxy S5 before finally snapping and buying a V20 this year.

      A firmware reset and a new battery is almost as a good as having a new phone in my experience. I.e. new versions of Android aren't slower if you do a clean install but a phone that's gone through multiple OS upgrades is going to be unusably slow.

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    10. Re:AR Emojis?! by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Google doesn't care if you buy a new phone, they just care if you use in-app payments through Google Play Services (or, ideally, buy new apps through the Play Store) or have their tracking stuff installed. They've actually made Android faster. When I upgraded to the a LineageOS based on the newer AOSP, most of my apps were noticeably faster due to improvements in the ART compiler (which, to be fair, started from a really slow place).

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    11. Re:AR Emojis?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't want to say you're getting old and the world has moved beyond you, but you should really think about how the tech in a simple phone these days is brushing up against million dollar Hollywood mocap tech.

      Animojis and AR Emojis are driving the world forward? Must really be a boring fucking world you live in.

    12. Re:AR Emojis?! by fedos · · Score: 1

      I guess they should have taken into account the hundreds of thousands of units you were intending to buy when they came up with the list of which features to market as the phone's selling points.

    13. Re:AR Emojis?! by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 1

      Here's the thing with Animoji: they're a minimum viable product. They're a fun sort of tech demo that Apple did to show what you can do with good facial mapping. It's clear that even they were taken by surprise that animojis were so popular; after all, they weren't the ones that invented animoji karaoke, but they sure were quick to pick it up once other people started doing it and roll it into their advertising.

      Samsung, as with many things they copy, has mistaken them as an end in themselves. I don't think animoji are really selling many phones, even among the younger users that would enjoy them, but Samsung NEEDS to copy this thing, because they can't stand not adding features to their phones. (This is not purely a criticism—they very often hit on something that sticks. But they are aggressive about it.)

      I'm sure people will use them, but the more important thing is whether or not we see the face mapping tech being used for anything beyond just talking poop cartoons.

    14. Re:AR Emojis?! by Solandri · · Score: 1

      I'm an old geezer like you (first computer was a Timex Sinclair 1000). But AR emoji is one of the baby steps towards a completely non-tactile interface system. Like the ones portrayed in movies where people just wave their hands around in the air. If they can subsidize R&D into computer vision and facial expression recognition by marketing it as a fun feature on a new phone, I'm not gonna complain.

    15. Re: AR Emojis?! by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      Snapdragon (Qualcomm) tends to have fewer cores but better single-threaded performance compared to Exynos (Samsung's in-house ARM chips; not used on U.S. models). Snapdragon tends to presents fewer issues with drivers than Exynos (for those developing custom ROM's) but in the case of several Samsung models that I know of, the international variants of the phones with Exynos can be bootloader-unlocked while the US models equipped with Snapdragon cannot.

    16. Re:AR Emojis?! by lexman098 · · Score: 1

      ...the tech in a simple phone these days is brushing up against million dollar Hollywood mocap tech. Obviously, there's an exponential difference between the two, but...

      What?

    17. Re:AR Emojis?! by HiThere · · Score: 1

      I don't know about you, but I only got a smartphone because I could do that a lot more quickly than getting an decent phone. I can pretty much do without the smart, though the "frequently called numbers" is convenient. I don't download any apps because I don't use any.

      OTOH, I guess I am an "old codger", though I don't think of myself that way. To me social media is slashdot and email. And I don't even like web-based mail interfaces.

      P.S.: What the hell *are* AR emojis? An ad that doesn't explain itself is a really stupid allocation of resources.

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    18. Re:AR Emojis?! by Calydor · · Score: 1

      I like the ability to browse the net while sitting in the waiting room at the doctor's office which I unfortunately tend to do a lot.

      The AR emojis, from what I could gather, appear to be some kind of motion-capture that mimics your facial expression on a smiley. Or something like that.

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  6. phone should do calls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I've been noticing that lately smart phones such as android and iphones are terrible at their primary role which is to just make and receive calls.

    Don't know why they keep putting out new models with more horse power, personally I went back to a flip phone after I purchased minutes and forgot to take the data off only to learn that within 2 minutes of placing time on the phone the data ate it. This is after my previous phones battery failed and I was forced into upgrading to a new model which only came with a more expensive plan, which made me cease using plans. That isn't even taking into account the privacy violations which seem to occur so often most people do not even think about it but personally I have been made extremely uneasy. I just couldn't take all the bullshit that seems to come with these phones.

    Screw smart phones, they aren't good at their primary function and come with too much baggage from all the extra crap it is made to do. Happier with a flip phone, damned if I'll go back to one of those 'smart' monstrosities.

    1. Re:phone should do calls by amalcolm · · Score: 1

      Happy you've found a point in the past you are happy with. Personally, I'll stick with my 1970's wall mounted telephone from the GPO. And a paper address book. The quality is fantastic, once I've chased the crows off the telephone wires.

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    2. Re:phone should do calls by hawguy · · Score: 1

      I've been noticing that lately smart phones such as android and iphones are terrible at their primary role which is to just make and receive calls.

      You don't understand what smartphones are used for if you think that making calls is their primary role, it's been at least a month since I've made or received a call on my smartphone (I get lots of voicemails, I ignore 90% of them, and for 90% of the remainders, I reply via SMS, IM, or Email). My last phone developed a bad speaker, I kept it for nearly 6 months before I finally replaced it -- turns out that not being able to make calls is wasn't really much of an issue.

    3. Re:phone should do calls by jedZ · · Score: 1

      Making and receiving calls may be your primary usage mode but why do you assume it is their primary function? Email + Whatsapp have pretty much rendered traditional phone communication obsolete.

    4. Re:phone should do calls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hello, original anonymous poster here.

      It sounds like what you all are saying is that you don't really want a portable phone, you want a portable hand held computer. The smart phones are just a skipping stone to get what you want and the phone features are secondary.

      I am rather wondering, isn't this do-able? I actually do a lot of my development work on small raspberry pi's as well as hosting. They are roughly the correct dimensions (pocket sized).

      I think a proper linux OS could be placed onto a small palm sized system easily. The real draw back is the screen. I had a very tiny I think 5.2" raspberry pi screen (I'm most likely off on the dimensions) but it was just too tiny to get anything done with. The issue was that it was trying to load a traditional desktop onto the tiny screen rather than a more icon driven setup. Does anyone know of a fully icon driven linux OS which would work on such a small screen? I make websites that flip between portrait and landscape and are entirely icon driven (there is little content, everything is a plate of icons taking 100% of the space, and interacting with each produces pop up overlays which contain the function for the previous pop up allowing people to go back and forth through the menus). I could only design such a thing via a web based interface but surely this simplistic design principle could be adopted by at least one linux OS for use on extreme small screen sizes.

    5. Re:phone should do calls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gosh! You're so clever and funny! LOL!

      Idiot

    6. Re: phone should do calls by jecowa · · Score: 1

      I hate phone calls. I hope Apple has the courage to phase out that feature. If Apple dies it, the rest will follow.

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    7. Re: phone should do calls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      don't give them ideas. Next iphone they will have the "courage" to remove the earpiece to help eliminate their notch and then require you to buy a set of airpods to make phone calls.

    8. Re:phone should do calls by HiThere · · Score: 1

      The screen is one drawback. The keyboard is another. It's easier to see how to work around the screen problem than the keyboard problem. (Voice entry is *not* an adequate replacement, even were it error free.)

      The think is, a decent keyboard requires haptic feedback. There have been versions that project on any flat surface or use the surface of your arm, for decades. They actually work fairly well at recognizing key strokes accurately. And they are abysmal failures. You'd be more likely to succeed by replacing the keyboard with one of the key-chording systems than with one of those.

      As for the screen, I can see how one of the "project onto the retina" systems might evolve to be a suitable replacement for a decent screen, at least in dim lighting conditions. For the keyboard the only thing I can imagine is a pair of gloves that not only evoke the sensation of impact, but also some audio feedback. I haven't even heard of a decent prototype of that.

      In a way it's reminiscent of the virtual reality problem where sickness is caused because the visual field movements aren't coordinated with the semicircular canal sensations. Certain reactions are inherent in the nature of the body, and devices need to work with them to be well designed.

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  7. Slashdot, the Samsung astrosurfer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As a very long time Slashdot reader it really hurts to see Slashdot peddling Samsung phones.

    1. Re:Slashdot, the Samsung astrosurfer by Kernel+Kurtz · · Score: 1

      We can tell from your UID

  8. No on needs AR-Emojis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ppffhhhttt

  9. Anyone who... by ckatko · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Anyone who pays $1000 for a phone, I don't care if they get a deal or ripped off. You're still blowing a grand on something that will become less useful than a toaster in 5 years.

    I cannot fathom--for the life of me--how people can convince themselves to spend a grand on something that sends text messages and snaps selfies. You can buy a fucking 4K TV >65" for a grand. I should know, I bought a Samsung 55" for ~$800.

    A thousand bucks buys you an insanely good guitar, violin, or damn near anything else. You could buy a full VR setup. But somehow, for a phone that does what everyone else's does (but it loads Facebook 25% faster! omg!) and will become trash within 5 years... how... what... is EVERYONE RICHER THAN ME? Does no one have to make careful decisions about where to spend their money? I can live in my rental _house_ for two months (1/6th of the year!) for the price of one of those phones. I could build an amazing PC for a grand. I could buy a pretty damn good laptop for a grand and it would be USEFUL for at least ten years. My wife's old i5 laptop her grandparents bought her for school 6+ years ago is still fast enough to run 4K YouTube, games, and more.

    1. Re:Anyone who... by Zocalo · · Score: 1

      There's also the fact that a lot of people can't do math, or can't budget, in the face of aggressive marketing and peer pressure surrounding their posistion as a supposed status symbol to factor into the equation. I mean, does anyone *really* care what phone you have as long as it works? I suspect a lot of users of high-end phones never actually own them, they just lease them from their carrier at a monthly rate that ultimately ends up costing them a lot more than it would to just buy the phone outright - especially if they wait out the early adopter phase. The markup for getting some of the top end phones on a contract is just insane, and what happens at the end of that period? Oh, yes, you get to choose between continuing to pay through the nose for what is now an "outdated" phone, or upgrade to the latest model and start the cycle again. It doesn't take Admiral Ackbar to figure out what that scenario is, yet countless people fall into it over and over again.

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    2. Re:Anyone who... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Many people spend more time on their phone than they spend doing anything else. If I spend two hours a day on my phone, that's over 700 hours of use per year. If I keep it two years, that's less than a buck an hour. I would say this is probably the most valid argument for most people.

      Then there is the point that not everyone who buys a $1,200 phone is sacrificing something to get it. I earn enough to pay for two of these on a bad day. Even if I quit working today (at 38) I have enough in investments to last beyond retirement, I have a couple 85" TVs, three cars, two houses (both paid off)... I am not sacrificing anything for this. Spending a thousand bucks a year to have a decent phone isn't that big of a deal for everyone. I would imagine there are quite a few people on slashdot in the same place. Maybe if you spent less time judging others on their decisions and more time on making some good ones of your own, over time this might not be such a huge issue for you.

    3. Re:Anyone who... by thegarbz · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You're still blowing a grand on something that will become less useful than a toaster in 5 years.

      Yep just like my laptop. And just like every* desktop PC from the 80s to the mid 00s.

      If history is anything to go by then people would have no problem spending that money. Especially when you consider it is the device they will interact with most in any given day.

      * LOL Just kidding, we never got a desktop PC for that cheap.

      I cannot fathom--for the life of me--how people can convince themselves to spend a grand on something that sends text messages and snaps selfies.

      Oooh I get it. You don't know what a mobile phone is. Here, let me educate you by going the opposite extreme: https://www.theregister.co.uk/.... You may just send text messages and snap selfies, but a lot of us do far more than that.

      A thousand bucks buys you an insanely good guitar, violin

      Oh god. Spend all that money for something that I need to put years of effort into to play decent music with a single instrument? Personally I just use my $1000 smartphone to stream music from far more talented people than I to a nice soundsystem, when I'm not listening directly on the device in an airplane where fellow passengers may complain about the noise if I started playing guitar. *side note: I actually play instruments and I use my phone to tune my guitar.

      You could buy a full VR setup.

      Indeed. For $99 you can convert your shiny smartphone via Samsung Gear VR. Wait you were thinking this was a point against the smartphone weren't you? Sorry.

      But somehow, for a phone that does what everyone else's does (but it loads Facebook 25% faster! omg!)

      Actually it doesn't load Facebook any faster. That's no where near the most challenging task for a phone.

      and will become trash within 5 years

      I still don't understand why you think it will become trash for any reason other than being replaced by something better.

      how... what... is EVERYONE RICHER THAN ME?

      Wow what? How did we make that leap? How poor do you have to be to not be able to get a phone like this on a 2 year plan. Jeebus there's people on foodstamps with shiny smartphones. Get some perspective.

      Does no one have to make careful decisions about where to spend their money?

      Yes we do. And what better way to spend your money than a device that provides connectivity, social interaction, gaming, entertainment, music, movies, functionally help you through your work, office applications, and combined with something like Dex turns the phone into a full on PC in your pocket. Frankly I'm struggling with what else could give me better bang for buck.

      I can live in my rental _house_ for two months (1/6th of the year!) for the price of one of those phones.

      And we do that anyway.

      I could build an amazing PC for a grand.

      Uah why would you. Stick yourself to your desk? Sounds horrible.

      I could buy a pretty damn good laptop for a grand and it would be USEFUL for at least ten years.

      LOL you clearly know as much about laptops as you do mobile phones.

      My wife's old i5 laptop her grandparents bought her for school 6+ years ago is still fast enough to run 4K YouTube, games, and more.

      I'm sure it is. My 6 year old smartphone still does all the things it was originally capable of too. I'll wager my current smartphone is far more useful than some 6+ year old laptop as well. Plus I challenge you to buy a modern laptop under $1k that will actually last. In case you haven't seen build quality of modern devices. As for games... hahahahah yeah I'll stick with my modern phone over your 6

    4. Re:Anyone who... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If only you had a Galaxy S9, you could have expressed your disgust with a poop emoji. Loser.

    5. Re:Anyone who... by jareth-0205 · · Score: 2

      Two things I think are going on - the price is often pretty opaque once you take into account the carrier deals that you get, you still pay the $1000 but it feels different spread over 2 years, and combined with the service charge. The other is that all those other things you mentioned you spend less time infront of than your phone - and a phone is a multipurpose device that comes with you and is useful everywhere. I personally would never spend $1000 on a TV because my £300 from a few years ago is better still than I can imagine, and I spend at most an hour infront of it per day. My phone comes with me everywhere and screenon time by the end of each day is 4-5 hours.

      A phone is a one-time cost. $1000 over 2 years is $1.38 / day. Many people spend double that on coffee.

    6. Re:Anyone who... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyone who pays $1000 for a phone, I don't care if they get a deal or ripped off. You're still blowing a grand on something that will become less useful than a toaster in 5 years.

      You can say that again. The iPhone 6s I bought less than 2 years ago is the absolute worst purchase I have ever made. May as well have flushed that $700 down the toilet. I expect a high-dollar device to last several years at least.

    7. Re:Anyone who... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're still blowing a grand on something that will become less useful than a toaster in 5 years.

      I see a trend among my Apple cult followers friends, those with more disposable money available. They almost always sell away their phones before completing 2 years of use. Their phones go to the cult followers with less disposable income but always eager to follow the cult as closely as their budget allows. I would say that on average they are able to sell those used phones for about 50% what they paid when it was brand new. Not a complete loss, all thing considered.

      So these poorer Apple Cult followers make the whole "blowing a grand" something more viable than it should. It's clear that those poorer followers are the ones that keep the buying cycle going, and ironically are the ones that are effectively paying the greatest premium in the process, because they end up with a less functional phone for more money than it's really worth.

    8. Re:Anyone who... by blind+biker · · Score: 1

      something that will become less useful than a toaster in 5 years.

      I get your point, but my Galaxy S3 is still perfectly useful. It's the only phone I use, and i use it a lot. Calling, GPS, apps, it has it all.

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    9. Re:Anyone who... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2, Insightful

      LOL spotted the guy who bought an expensive phone and is super insecure about it.

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    10. Re:Anyone who... by coofercat · · Score: 1

      It's the difference between £30/month or £40/month - not the difference between £1000 and £300. For a kid who earns say £250/month, it's a small incremental cost from money for which they have nothing else of value to spend on.

      (in the US it's probably more like the difference between $80 and $100/month, but that's because your mobile industry isn't regulated properly, but you get the idea)

    11. Re:Anyone who... by guacamole · · Score: 1

      That's why I have been spending 300 bucks tops on a new phone. I think companies like Lenovo and Huawei have started putting out on the market actually pretty decent cheap phones since about 2016 (Moto G4 Plus, Moto G5 plus, Honor 6x, Honor 7x, etc). I was able to buy Honor 8 for under 300USD 1.5 years ago. These phones basically do everything the "flagship" phones do for just one half or one third of the price. Unless you _really_ need to mine bitcoins on your smartphone, and launch Firefox with 45 open tabs, any smartphone will do. Even on 3GB of RAM is just fine. I haven't seen a 3GB RAM phone run into any performance issues because of its RAM in the real world.

      As for people chasing the "best cameraphone" and even willing to pay 800USD for this phone, let me remind them that their phone camera is still utter crap. Go buy yourself a cheap pocket camera from bestbuy, and it's going to be 20 times better than a phone camera.

    12. Re:Anyone who... by guacamole · · Score: 1

      Yep just like my laptop. And just like every* desktop PC from the 80s to the mid 00s.

      I disagree on that. If you bought a decent (say 1000 dollar) laptop in 2012, it probably would have a 1080p screen, discrete graphics, and a decent CPU (probably quad-core). I got a couple of such desktop replacement laptops and they remain incredibly useful. On a laptop you can still upgrade storage and RAM.

      A 1000 dollar smartphone will basically become a fancy brick in 3-4 years, assuming you don't drop it earlier or run one through a washing machine. This specially applies to android phones which receive only two years of updates, at most, and become unprotected from current security threats pretty fast.

      That's why I personally just get 200-250 dollar Moto G or Honor phone now and then. They come with good screens and cameras, and will have more power than what most people need to open their gmail or facebook.

    13. Re:Anyone who... by nightfire-unique · · Score: 1

      I cannot fathom--for the life of me--how people can convince themselves to spend a grand on something that sends text messages and snaps selfies. You can buy a fucking 4K TV >65" for a grand. I should know, I bought a Samsung 55" for ~$800.

      Tell me you're joking.

      My current smartphone is used for backcountry, road and marine navigation, photography and video recording, voice and text communication, web lookups, portable storage, as a TV remote (ie. Chromecast), a music hub in my car, weather station (barometer, hygrometer and thermometer), alarm clock, on-call pager, voice recorder, mobile hotspot, guitar tuner, etc., etc., ad nauseum.

      Your TV does what? Entertain you a few hours a day?

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    14. Re:Anyone who... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The S9+ is only $839. If you can't afford it, don't buy it. But, for millions of people, that's a pretty trivial sum, especially for something they'll carry on their person most of the time and use for hours a day. So yes, to answer your question, not everyone is richer than you, but millions of people in the US alone earn enough such that buying a new flagship phone isn't a 'financial decision'.

      You are correct though, if you're living in a rental house for $400 bucks a month...yeah, you don't need the latest tech, be it a phone or anything else. Just know that there a plenty of people out there who spend more than you do on rent for a month for greens fees for a single round of golf, for ski lift tickets for a day for a family at any number of resorts, for a really nice dinner out, for theater tickets for a night, or for tickets to sporting events or a concert. It's a big world out there and plenty of people have earned or lucked into a whole bunch of money.

    15. Re:Anyone who... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A thousand bucks buys you an insanely good guitar, violin, or damn near anything else.

      No it doesn't. 3000 USD gets you a pretty decent violin, but for sure 1000 USD does not get you an insanely good one.

    16. Re:Anyone who... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyone who pays $1000 for a phone, I don't care if they get a deal or ripped off. You're still blowing a grand on something that will become less useful than a toaster in 5 years.

      I cannot fathom--for the life of me--how people can convince themselves to spend a grand on something that sends text messages and snaps selfies.

      I resell stuff.

      Sometimes I go to auctions out in the middle of nowhere.

      The phone is the only way I can look something up, and the only thing I can count on to direct me home.

      Therefore, I'll buy a new phone when it comes out.

    17. Re:Anyone who... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep just like my laptop. And just like every* desktop PC from the 80s to the mid 00s.

      I disagree on that. If you bought a decent (say 1000 dollar) laptop in 2012

      Woosh....

    18. Re:Anyone who... by eam3 · · Score: 1

      I see plenty of people at my job who are always thrilled because they got the latest and greatest and tell me that it's only $25 a month. For a couple of years. With some ridiculous plan from the big carriers. They can't afford to pay attention but they are always going on and on about their latest acquisition. I still have my Samsung S5 (bought brand new for well under $300 when the S7 was introduced) running Marshmallow, that I take to Best Buy every now and then to have the Samsung guys install the latest security patches. I have Cricket (AT&T) and pay a flat rate with great service. I have no desire to get the latest and greatest every couple of months.

    19. Re:Anyone who... by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      " I'll wager my current smartphone is far more useful than some 6+ year old laptop as well. "

      That is because you are a consumer, not a producer. You are using computers wrong.

    20. Re:Anyone who... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't know about insecure, but he sure is trying hard to justify his purchase.

      I'll wager my current smartphone is far more useful than some 6+ year old laptop as well. Plus I challenge you to buy a modern laptop under $1k that will actually last. In case you haven't seen build quality of modern devices. As for games... hahahahah yeah I'll stick with my modern phone over your 6

      I have a 6 year old laptop that works just fine for my needs, and I don't play games on my phone.

      I stand corrected. You are insecure.

    21. Re:Anyone who... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Not sure about a $1000 laptop. My partner is using my old one, which cost about double that in 2011, because the one that she bought about two year ago for a little under $1,000 is, even after a replacement battery, basically dead (and Dell support is crap). A $1,000 laptop might still work after 3-4 years, but increasingly the low-end laptops are built with cheap components making them effectively disposable devices.

      My phone is from 2013 and is not a brick. The one it replaced, from 2010 is, because it isn't supported by LineageOS and so is stuck with a version of the TLS stack that doesn't have updated root certs and doesn't support modern cyphers, so it can't actually connect to most things that use TLS. My phone was not $1,000, it was under $200. It still gets regular third-party updates. To compare a more expensive phone, Samsung Galaxy S4 was released about 4 years ago (though it was $650, not $1,000, at launch). It has a big.LITTLE CPU arrangement, where the LITTLE cluster is the same as the only CPUs in my phone and where the big cluster is a quad-core 1.6GHz Cortex A15 (superscalar, out of order, reasonable performance) - some versions had better CPUs. LineageOS supports it with the latest version, so it can still get security updates. It had 2GB of RAM (twice as much as mine), 16-32GB of Flash (plus an SD card slot that can handle up to an additional 256GB), and a user-replaceable battery (so the thing that's most likely to die can be swapped out). Oh, and a 1080p screen. Oh, and it supports NFC, so it can work with Google Pay if you're willing to trust Google for that kind of thing.

      About the only thing that a more modern smartphone has that this lacks is a 64-bit CPU, but Android shows no sign of dropping 32-bit support any time soon and I've yet to see any new 64-bit-only apps (unlike iOS, where 32-bit is effectively dead). I can't think of anything that you'd do with a smartphone that wouldn't work well on an S4 (though perhaps I'm lacking in imagination).

      For me, the difference is that I use a laptop for as a primary work computer, so it's easy to justify spending money (ideally, my employer's money) on a decent one.

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    22. Re:Anyone who... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A phone for many is far more than you make it out to be. My phone is my daily camera, my GPS, a major media consumption device [video and text news], a music player at night, my personal assistant that holds appointments, my shopping list holder, my media system remote control (via harmony), my car music player (spotify), and so much more. This is all in addition to making calls and sending sms/emails all day. Whether or not $1,000 is justified for it depends very much on personal income but it is hardly far fetched given the use cases.

    23. Re:Anyone who... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1
      I'm on a pre-pay contract where I typically spend well under £5/month, so I wondered if your numbers were actually correct. Here's what I discovered from my provider:

      Galaxy S9: £99 + £40/month.

      iPhone 7: £79 + £36/month.

      iPhone SE: £19 + £18/month.

      Galaxy J3: £19 + £14/month.

      Alcatel Pixi 3 (never heard of it - really low-end Android phone that's worse than my 4-year-old one): £19 + £7/month.

      So the difference between the latest phone and the cheapest currently-made iPhone is the difference between £40/month and £18/month. That's on a 24-month plan, so it works out at £960 versus £432.

      The contracts are actually much better value than I thought for the iPhone SE. The cost from Apple is £349, so you're paying about £3.50/month for a plan that gives you 4GB of data and unlimited minutes. The iPhone 7 plan is a little over £20/month more than the cost of the phone direct from Apple, and that plan comes with only 1GB/month.

      Their cheapest SIM-only plan is £5/month and gives unlimited texts, but only 200 minutes and 500MB, so if you can sell on the iPhone for close to its retail value then it's best to get the iPhone SE and just keep the SIM.

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    24. Re:Anyone who... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      LOL spotted the guy who bought an expensive phone and is super insecure about it.

      Nope. Just someone with critical thinking skills. I don't actually have a phone I paid for. Just the one work provides for me. But good work showing you own biases towards the conversation.

    25. Re:Anyone who... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      I disagree on that. If you bought a decent (say 1000 dollar) laptop in 2012, it probably would have a 1080p screen, discrete graphics, and a decent CPU (probably quad-core). I got a couple of such desktop replacement laptops and they remain incredibly useful. On a laptop you can still upgrade storage and RAM.

      I did buy a laptop in 2012. I replaced it last year. Battery life became unusable. Fan was always running full pelt. There was damage to the corner so it didn't close properly anymore and some of the keys on the keyboard were getting dicky. Aside from that it was also quite slow and I needed someone lighter with an SSD.

      Why do you think these rules are any different to that of a phone? If you want you can have my Galaxy S1, it still does everything it used to do just as well as the day I got it.

    26. Re:Anyone who... by chispito · · Score: 1

      I cannot fathom--for the life of me--how people can convince themselves to spend a grand on something that sends text messages and snaps selfies. You can buy a fucking 4K TV >65" for a grand. I should know, I bought a Samsung 55" for ~$800.

      Tell me you're joking.

      My current smartphone is used for backcountry, road and marine navigation, photography and video recording, voice and text communication, web lookups, portable storage, as a TV remote (ie. Chromecast), a music hub in my car, weather station (barometer, hygrometer and thermometer), alarm clock, on-call pager, voice recorder, mobile hotspot, guitar tuner, etc., etc., ad nauseum.

      Your TV does what? Entertain you a few hours a day?

      You don't need to spend $1k for a phone that does all that, and if you really care about the photo/video, buy a $200 phone and an $800 camera. Or buy a $200 phone, a $500 camera, and a... I don't know.. $10 thumb drive? What does using your phone for "portable storage" mean?

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    27. Re:Anyone who... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you want him to buy a $200 dollar phone, an $800 dollar camera, a $150 navigation system, a Portable radio, a $50 universal remote control, $10 dollar thumb drive, lease another movile hotspot, buy a dedicated guitar tuner, a portable voice recorder, and other replacement items to replace a $1000 phone? That makes zero sense. The point of the phone is it combines all those things into a simple to carry, easy to maintain package. Instead, you suggest he carry an armful of electronics to do all the things a 3x6x0.25 inch phone can handle, and handle well for his purposes.

    28. Re:Anyone who... by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Well, if work provides the phone, then I guess you aren't out much, and they probably got the phones at a huge discount.

      But I still don't understand how people find them useful except for certain specialist applications. And for the specialist applications that I know of a tablet would be a better choice.

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    29. Re:Anyone who... by nightfire-unique · · Score: 1

      You don't need to spend $1k for a phone that does all that, and if you really care about the photo/video, buy a $200 phone and an $800 camera. Or buy a $200 phone, a $500 camera, and a... I don't know.. $10 thumb drive? What does using your phone for "portable storage" mean?

      Huh?

      Why on Earth would I want to complicate my life like that?

      My mobile device does everything essentially flawlessly. So why not get the best mobile device for my needs that I can afford? I'm literally not getting this.

      Also, mobile storage -> USB block storage device

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    30. Re:Anyone who... by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      So could a laptop or tablet with a data connection. Plus you don't need a $1000 phone to do that. A $50 one could do that.

  10. Wow! What features! by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    AR Emojis! And a relocated fingerprint scanner! And all for merely the price of a new laptop!

    In case you wondered why people stop buying phones like crazy...

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    1. Re:Wow! What features! by nine-times · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and I don't think it's just that the new features for new smartphones aren't very useful. I think there's a danger that they make the phones worse. Extra features tend to take storage space, RAM, and processing power. They clutter the interface, and pop up at inopportune moments. They make the experience of using it more confusing and frustrating.

      The same thing has been going on with laptops and desktops. They've reached a point where, for the things that people use computers, tablets, and smartphones for, there haven't been significant improvements in several years. So instead they try to make you use things like Siri and Cortana, and they try to leverage the OS into making you use their online services. Why can't the OS just be the OS, and let you install the apps and add-ons that you want.

      Maybe there's some disagreement about this among users. For example, maybe there are people who are genuinely happy that Cortana is so prominent in Windows 10 now. However, I think it's largely that vendors have run out of useful ideas, and they're just cramming random gimmicks into their products and hoping something will stick.

    2. Re:Wow! What features! by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      There is another inherent danger: Security issues. The more something can do, the more can be exploited. We have actually bought old non-smart phones for a few key applications where making phone calls and receiving text messages is all we need, simply to make absolutely certain that no security problem can arise from any of the "smart" features of the phone.

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    3. Re:Wow! What features! by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      AR Emojis! And a relocated fingerprint scanner! And all for merely the price of a new laptop!

      My thoughts exactly. I even laughed when I read the new features. And their weird pseudo iris on the camera is a hoot too. This is Samsung's answer to Apple?

      In case you wondered why people stop buying phones like crazy...

      The market is becoming mature. It is pretty difficult to add new features that cause people to think they gotta have that new phone, I've waited a couple stages of evolution already, like from a Nokia FP to an iPhone 5 to an iPhone 7, where I'm at now. But unless the mythical "gotta have" feature comes around, I'll run it until the batteries go, or I drop it in the ocean or something.

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    4. Re:Wow! What features! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The hot new feature is the dual aperture camera for better low light photos.
      Another new camera feature is the 960fps super slo-mo. If you haven't seen the demos, it's really impressive. We'll see how hard it is to use.
      also, the snapdragon 845 is not only faster, it is more energy efficient.

      The price is about 70% of an iPhone X and it also has a headphone jack. Don't need extra Apple dongles.

      I will be upgrading ASAP.

    5. Re:Wow! What features! by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      The hot new feature is the dual aperture camera for better low light photos.

      Half a stop better. IMO, it's still about 5 1/2 stops too slow for low-light photography, thanks to the crop factor/tiny sensor, but I guess every little bit helps.

      I'm kind of surprised that there's a noticeable improvement in depth of field between f/1.5 and f/2.4 on a sensor that small. I'd have expected diffraction limiting to make such dual-aperture designs not worth bothering with. But maybe not.

      *shrugs*

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  11. Or don't buy from yout enemy in the first place. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about that?

    They clearly show that they are their victims' sworn enemy, with things like that.
    Frankly, most Chinese phones are much friendlier. Which is saying something.

    (And Apple is so much worst, they have their own league. But at thosr levels, it does not really matter. Just like it does not mattet if somebody uses a 1000 or 10000 bullets to kill you.

  12. Sociopaths don't count as normal. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get a therapy. Take your meds

    Yes, even if 90% of the US population is shown in comparative studies to be super-selfish sociopaths (aka pychopaths), and so you believe it is normal.
    (No hate, and I don't look down on anyone... this is just actually true. Look it up.)

  13. They aren't. Sales are falling, remember? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can bet that that fall is exponential too.

    Anyway, here in Europe, since people have found out about cheap (but still good) Chinese phones, nobody buys an expensive phone anymore. Lookalikes, at best.
    We just buy those 50-200EUR phones, and be done with it.

    I suspect once money gets tighter than the fear from propaganda, Americans will buy cheap Chinese phones too.

    And no, I do not trust Chinese government or companies one bit. But neither do I trust US or Russian or Israeli or German or whatevet ones.

  14. 4GB Ram is worthless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Android currently unloads apps immediately and reloads them. So unless you reload 4GB instantly you'll never be able to use it. It's some idiots idea to target 512MB ram. When 1GB ram is simple a picture on the SOC, changing the picture to a 512MB one saves no money, but the damage it does to Android is terrible.

    It cripples software to only the smallest app that can recover quickly enough to be smooth, and it makes people keep the screen on longer so they don't have to reload when the screen turns off.

    So what are you supposed to do with 6GB, if you have 100ms to reload all your data and refill that 6GB with your processing set? Of course you cannot, it makes Android as good as a 512MB phone can deliver.

    I guess we're all supposed to switch to ChromeOS, but that's flopped, less than 1000th of the Android devices.

  15. Snapdragon 845 or Exynos 910? Why? by Keith_Beef · · Score: 1

    I was wondering this, too. Why build the US version with one SoC and the rest of the world version with another SoC? Moreover, why would Samsung build a version for the US with Qualcomm's chip, and for the rest of the world version with its own chip?

    Android Authority has an article comparing those two with the Kirin 970. https://www.androidauthority.c...

    "There actually won’t be any divergence in 4G LTE speeds. All three of the chips feature integrated Category 18 LTE modems, boasting up to 1.2 Gbps down and 150 Mbps upload speeds on compatible networks. Importantly, these chips’ modems support global network compatibility, so we can see them in multiple regions."

    "Support for HDR-10 and 4K video recording is common, although Samsung [Exynos 910] boasts up to 120 fps video recording at this resolution, Qualcomm [Snapdragon 845] has just moved on to 60 fps, and the Kirin 970 only offers 30 fps 4K encoding. All of these are still boons for high quality video enthusiasts though. Similarly, Huawei and Qualcomm have packed in a 32-bit 384 kHz capable DAC into their latest products for HiFi audio, but those numbers have little meaning on their own."

    1. Re:Snapdragon 845 or Exynos 910? Why? by Geeky · · Score: 1

      I think they use Qualcomm in the US because their own chips don't support one of the big carriers (because they lack CDMA maybe? I don't recall the details.)

      I guess they stick with their own chips elsewhere in order to avoid paying money to Qualcomm.

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      Sigs are so 1990s. No way would I be seen dead with one.
    2. Re: Snapdragon 845 or Exynos 910? Why? by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      They're required to ship US models with Qualcomm chips instead of their own. Licencing or regs, I don't recall...

  16. Pink line defect? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I bet this one will also suffer this defect (phone getting too hot and the glue holding the display cable detaching) and i bet theyll be no support either.

    Never again will I buy a Samsung.

    https://us.community.samsung.com/t5/Galaxy-S-Phones/S7-edge-pink-line-down-screen/td-p/11959

  17. If you were truly careful... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...with your money, you would use a Razr on a $20 monthly prepaid service.

    1. Re:If you were truly careful... by Teun · · Score: 1

      renting a phone is a dumb option, even though interest is low you always pay more than outright ownership + a SIM.

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      "The likes of Facebook and WhatsApp are free to those whose privacy is of zero value."
  18. Emoji by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I usually base my smart phone purchase on it's Emoji capabilities. It's so important in today's hectic society.

  19. Samsung TVs have horrifying privacy policies, what by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    about their phones?

  20. AR Emojis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds like it'll kill people by looking at it. Start the ban petition!

  21. So this is better than S8 because of hmm... emojis by guacamole · · Score: 1

    Hmm.. right. I guess I am going to have to trade my S8 for the S9 because of this. And what about the CPU? Has anyone really cared about the CPU performance since say the 2016 Snapdragon 820. If the companies continued selling the phones with the old Snapdragon 800 from 2013, I bet most people would still feel fine with these. For goshs sake, 99 percent of the time you just use the thing for texting, email, and web browsing.

  22. Should be illegal for import/sale by nightfire-unique · · Score: 1

    I support laws banning the import/sale of this device as the manufacturer has again chosen to glue a wear item in place, making it difficult and expensive to repair. A non-replaceable battery is extremely wasteful and we should not tolerate it.

    Enough is enough.

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    A government is a body of people notably ungoverned - AC
    1. Re:Should be illegal for import/sale by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      dont buy it. plain n simple.

      This thing is also skimping on memory/ram.

      I with with motorola. They had the 3.5 still. An unadulterated android ONE, and yeha. its a fscking phone.

      the momeny i see an android ONE with 3.5 headset plug, replaceable battery --- motorla will be off my plate.

      people fawn to phones like their godly objects of worship. wake up.

  23. As long as by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Samsung keep copying Apples design language - vertically oriented cameras, emojis etc. they will always play second fiddle.

    1. Re:As long as by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not? That was Apple's secret to success - see what others did, let a market develop, then copy and say "shiny" whilst wearing a black turtleneck.

    2. Re: As long as by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck off, troll

  24. Hm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It seems I've seen those features somewhere before . . . One thing that never changes: Samsung is slime. They would spontaneously combust if they ever had an original idea, and I happened to think AR emojis were a stupid idea even when Cupertino came up with th it.

  25. Insert dirty joke here by sjbe · · Score: 1

    Doesn't matter if you need 6 hands to actually use it. Size is king.

    That's what she said.

  26. Call me when the useful AR comes out by sjbe · · Score: 1

    Animojis from the iPhone X or AR Emojis from the S9 may not be your thing, but they are absolutely driving interest in the flagship phones from both companies.

    Really? Because I've seen precisely zero people actually using them. While I understand that my personal experiences do not imply anything more general, I'm definitely not seeing any evidence of sales because of this "feature".

    the fact that a cell phone can even give something close to that in real time should be something you appreciate, not tell people to get off your lawn about.

    I'll appreciate it when it does something actually useful to someone besides a bored 12 year old. Turning my face into an animated smiling pile of motion captured poo is not useful even as an insult.

  27. Smartphones are not about calling by sjbe · · Score: 1

    I've been noticing that lately smart phones such as android and iphones are terrible at their primary role which is to just make and receive calls.

    That's because their primary role is not and never has been to make and receive calls. Smartphones are handheld computers that happen to be able to make calls too. Phone calls are CLEARLY not their primary role for the majority of people using them. They use them primarily for web browsing, email, texting, various apps, games, and the like. Phone calls are just a bonus feature that gets used now and then - some use it more than others. Personally I probably use 50-100 minutes for phone calls on my smartphone in a given month - sometimes less. But I use my smartphone for probably 4-8 hours every day.

    Screw smart phones, they aren't good at their primary function and come with too much baggage from all the extra crap it is made to do. Happier with a flip phone, damned if I'll go back to one of those 'smart' monstrosities.

    Again you seem really worked up about your incorrect notion about what smartphones are for. If you don't need/want a handheld computer then fine but I'm kind of puzzled why you are wasting your time here on slashdot if you don't give a shit about technology. You can hang out with my grandmother and the other technologically impaired folks who can't handle the modern world.

  28. Value for money by sjbe · · Score: 1

    Anyone who pays $1000 for a phone, I don't care if they get a deal or ripped off. You're still blowing a grand on something that will become less useful than a toaster in 5 years.

    Maybe but I'm going to use my smartphone 4-8 hours almost every day, every day for the next 1-3 years. I might use my toaster once or twice a month for about 2 minutes. I am quite confident I'm getting better value for money out of a $1000 smartphone than a $20 toaster.

    A thousand bucks buys you an insanely good guitar, violin, or damn near anything else.

    I don't play guitar, violin, or anything else and don't plan to start. So why do I care? None of those things have any value to me. A smartphone does.

    You could buy a full VR setup.

    And do what with it exactly? I have less use for a VR setup than the toaster.

    Does no one have to make careful decisions about where to spend their money?

    When you have sufficient amounts of it the answer is no. You seem awfully concerned about what I spend my money on. I recommend finding something more productive to get worked up over. Spend your money on what is valuable to you and I'll do the same. I promise I won't care what you buy.

    I could buy a pretty damn good laptop for a grand and it would be USEFUL for at least ten years.

    I already have several of those. Why do I need more?

  29. But... does it explode? by cpotoso · · Score: 1

    But... does it explode like the older Samsung phones? If not, it is rather uninteresting :)

  30. Most of them end up subsidized by your carrier by Solandri · · Score: 1
    Who offers those steep discounts for new subscribers (people who switch carriers) and 2-for-1 specials. In other words, if you have service with that carrier and you don't buy a $1000 flagship phone, your monthly service fee is helping subsidize the purchase of those who do buy it. This is one of the reasons I really wish carriers were prohibited from selling phones. If I stick to an old phone, I want to only be paying for service, not paying to help other people upgrade their phones.

    Also, the high price compared to a PC is because of the portability, not because of the capability. Same reason laptops cost more than desktops despite being less powerful.

    and will become trash within 5 years... how... what... is EVERYONE RICHER THAN ME? Does no one have to make careful decisions about where to spend their money?

    5 years is longer than I normally keep a phone (about 3-4 years). But if you upgrade every 3-4 years like I do, the phone (at full retail price) ends up costing about the same as eating out once a month. If you can get it at a discount, the cost is even less.

    • $840 / 5 years = $14/mo which is peanuts.
    • $840 / 4 years = $17.50/mo
    • $840 / 3 years = $23.33/mo. Still well within the discretionary budget of most people.
    • $840 / 2 years= $35/mo is starting to get a little expensive but is still acceptable to a lot of people.
    • $840 / 1 year = $70/mo is about when it starts to get ridiculous.

    The price per month of use is in fact the correct way to analyze anything which isn't an investment (goes up in value, e.g. a house). Because even durable goods (e.g. washing machine) eventually break down and need to be replaced.

    You can buy a fucking 4K TV >65" for a grand. I should know, I bought a Samsung 55" for ~$800.

    Nowadays, I suspect most people spend a lot more time looking at their phones than at a 55" TV. They, unlike you, would opt for an expensive phone and a $300 1080p TV.

  31. Does it Drop Frames? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But can it actually record anything without dropping frames? Both the S7 and S8 drop frames regardless of the resolution or framerate. Don't belive me? Take out your S7 or S8 and record your surroundsings. Pan slowly from left to right and back again over and over. Watch that smooth motion sputter and drop frames.

    I'm not buying the S9 until I have proof that it can actually record at it's advertised framerates consistently.

  32. Idiocracy has arrived! by Zorro · · Score: 1

    $830 for... AR Emojis?!

    "But it has Electrolytes!"

  33. forced obselenence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    AR Emojis! And a relocated fingerprint scanner! And all for merely the price of a new laptop!

    My thoughts exactly. I even laughed when I read the new features.

    I'll run it until the batteries go, or I drop it in the ocean or something.

    They got you checkmated here - the battery is not removable (service replacement is big $) unlike when my wife hiked the Appalachian trail about 5 years ago and took a extra $10 swapable battery with her. Still have that phone and it still works. The other hook is they stop providing security upgrades. Want to not have banking logins at risk? Buy a new phone!

  34. Re:So this is better than S8 because of hmm... emo by Lije+Baley · · Score: 1

    It's better than an S8 because it's $5 cheaper! Screwy S8 prices have stayed jacked up since before the holidays.

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    Strange things are afoot at the Circle-K.
  35. Different CPUs for different markets? by schweini · · Score: 1

    Is there any obvious reason I am missing why Samsung would go through the trouble of using two distinct CPUs for different markets? What's the point of that?

    1. Re:Different CPUs for different markets? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Patents. One CPU is (very slightly) better than the other one, but is illegal to sell in some markets due to a patent violation.