'Java EE' Has Been Renamed 'Jakarta EE' (i-programmer.info)

An anonymous reader quotes i-Programmer: The results are in for the vote on the new name for Java Enterprise Edition, and unsurprisingly the voters have chosen Jakarta EE. The renaming has to happen because Oracle refused to let the name Java be used. The vote was to choose between two options - 'Jakarta EE' and 'Enterprise Profile'. According to Mike Milinkovich, executive director at the Eclipse Foundation, almost 7,000 people voted, and over 64% voted in favour of Jakarta EE. The other finalist, "Enterprise Profile," came in at just 35.6% of the votes when voted ended last Friday.
"Other Java projects have also been renamed in Eclipse," notes SD Times. "Glassfish is now Eclipse Glassfish. The Java Community Process is now the Eclipse EE.next Working Group, and Oracle development management is now Eclipse Enterprise for Java Project Management Committee."

Comments

Wtf Oracle?

[xxxJonBoyxxx]

Why was "Java" bad, exactly?

(Meanwhile no one is regretting moving to node.js and the like.)

Re:Wtf Oracle?

[Anonymous Coward]

> (Meanwhile no one is regretting moving to node.js and the like.)

Every time I have to work on a nodejs based system instead of a mature platform like Java, I regret it.

Re:Wtf Oracle?

[squiggleslash]

I don't know, but one thing .NET has over Java is that they didn't call everything "Java", leading to confusion about the JVM vs the language vs the standard classes vs the Java browser plug-in etc.

So from my point of view, de-Javaing the Enterprise Edition is long overdue and a step in the right direction.

Re:Wtf Oracle?

[jrumney]

It's not that it's bad, it's that Oracle owns the name, but they don't want to maintain the product. So they farm out the costly maintenance to the community, but keep their precious name that they paid $5.6 billion for.

Re:Wtf Oracle?

[Anonymous Coward]

Because Oracle kept the name and wouldn't let Eclipse use it, even though they were handing over development responsibility.

Re:Wtf Oracle?

[cdreimer]

Too many flavors. I personally prefer skinny vanilla lattes. Get my daily milk and caffeine in one shot.

Re:Wtf Oracle?

[TechyImmigrant]

Why was "Java" bad, exactly?

1) A system for remote code injection.
2) Lots of library code full of vulnerabilities.
3) Write once, run anywhere, except that bit never worked.
4) Another bloody OO language.
5) Useless for writing operating systems.
6) Exhibit #1 in things they teach in schools instead of teaching computer science.
7) Oracle

Re: Wtf Oracle?

[Anonymous Coward]

Better to teach java than M$ office! That was the definition of computer science when I was in school.

Re:Wtf Oracle?

[Archtech]

That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard... at any rate since Sun first established the "Java" trademark and generously announced that it wouldn't sue inhabitants of the island of Java if they used the name to describe their home.

Re:Wtf Oracle?

[Archtech]

I don't know, but one thing .NET has over Java is that they didn't call everything "Java".

No, they called everything ".NET".

Duh.

Re: Wtf Oracle?

[Narcocide]

It's not better by much.

Re:Wtf Oracle?

[Anonymous Coward]

Because when people say Java has security issues, you can say "But I am running Jakarta! Completely different."

Re: Wtf Oracle?

[Anonymous Coward]

Maybe the problem is you obviously got some kind of Microsoft Office ripoff called "M$ Office", and that's why you hated it so much and preferred Java. If only your school could afford the real version, you could see that even Excel macros is a better coding experience than Java.

Re:Wtf Oracle?

[rossdee]

So what about the inhabitants of the capital city of Indonesia?

They should have called it Krakatoa

Re:Wtf Oracle?

[Anonymous Coward]

Java isn't bad, Oracle is trying to recoup some of the cost it sank into buying Java from Sun and businesses aren't playing ball. Oracle assumed they would be able to get a cut of all Android installs because they thought Android was Java. It may use the Java syntax but is a completely different VM under the covers. So they sued and didn't exactly win.

When Sun was still around, Java was allowed to be implemented by anyone but you could not call it Java unless it passed the compatibility test suite which Sun charged for. Remember Sun believed in the approach of open specifications, compete on implementations. That's why originally when MicroSoft put out Window's only Java Sun sued, but when they changed it to J++ (later J# and Visual J#) and didn't claim Java compatibility Sun did nothing.

So it looks like Oracle didn't read the fine print of Sun't licensing of Java the specifications and assumed they'd be able to control things. Now that OpenJDK8 is the standard JVM implementation (notice Java is not in the name) Oracle's version that they want to license isn't even the reference platform.

By changing the other projects to drop the Java name they prevent Oracle from demanding support or licensing from companies using these products.

And I know that Oracle has been trying to do just that because I had to provide input to our legal team when Oracle "reached out". We're totally on OpenJDK8 at this point, no more Oracle or IBM installs so we figure we're clear.

Re:Wtf Oracle?

[tepples]

True, the .NET brand was overused early on, but Microsoft cleaned that up fairly quickly. In addition, even from the beginning, Microsoft had distinct names for each component of the .NET Framework, such as CLR (Common Language Runtime) and C# (a Java-inspired language).

Re:Wtf Oracle?

[PPH]

Encroaching on Microsoft's IP. How dare they!

Re: Wtf Oracle?

[Anonymous Coward]

You donâ(TM)t remember your history. Java is a big deal because:
1. It was the first mainstream language that had a VM
2. The first mainstream language to have a gc
3. It came with huge comprehensive libraries
4. It grew with the internet and open source libraries

Java was a first in many areas and opened the door to mainstream development in other languages. Python was older (for example) and was as fringe as Smalltalk. So donâ(TM)t knock Java it opened up the market to languages that werenâ(TM)t C.

Re:Wtf Oracle?

[awe_cz]

Especially fifth point is really strong... not.

Re: Wtf Oracle?

[TechyImmigrant]

None of those things is relevant to the question of why is it bad.

Re: Wtf Oracle?

[HiThere]

No. The first mainstream language that had a VM was either Algol or Pascal, depending on exactly what your definitions are. (Pascal was more mainstream, but Algol had the earlier VM...I used to use BCAlgol which implemented Algol with a reverse polish VM for the IBM 7094...or at least it ran on the IBM 7090-7094 DCS system.)

Re:Wtf Oracle?

[HiThere]

OK, but by any name Java is still piss-poor at handling Unicode. You can do it, but I kept having to write basic library functions myself, and finally switched. Admittedly, C is worse, and C++ has a different set of problems, but go and D handle it well. (So, in fact, do Vala, Python, and Ruby, but they're a different class of language.) I presume that Rust handles it well, but I've never really studied Rust.

Java really needs a Unicode character type built into the language, and not that 16-bit mish-mash that they used. It was a reasonable choice when they made it, but it's really a drag on it's general utility. Last I checked the language didn't even have a usable "is punctuation" function. You had to write it yourself. Either standardize on utf-8 or utf-32 (I think they call that UCS4 or some such). Either is a reasonable choice, Utf-8 matches external media, and utf-32 is better for internal manipulation. Utf-16 is neither fish nor fowl, but only foul. You need to maintain it for backwards compatibility, but really it should be deprecated, and planned for elimination in a decade or so.

Re:Wtf Oracle?

[angel'o'sphere]

That is not how trade marks work ...
So good luck suing a busines in a foreign country that happens to be on in Island with the same name like your product ...

Re:Wtf Oracle?

[angel'o'sphere]

Except for 7) everything false.
I work with Java since 1995, I never had any cross platform problem. However I never wrote code for the micdro edition.

No idea what you have against oo, probably you are to dumb to use it properly?

Re:Wtf Oracle?

[TechyImmigrant]

>I never had any cross platform problem.

I'm not disputing that you can write cross platform code. I'm asserting that this rarely happens. I have several Java applications on my windows machine that are entirely windows specific. For example the hydra smart power supply software. Talks to USB, presents a UI. Yet it only runs on windows.

The others are not false. Your assertion is based on what?

Re: Wtf Oracle?

[Anonymous Coward]

I'd go with something other than Java inspired (which itself was inspired by C/C++).

There are lots of things in C#/.Net that definitely didn't come from Java, such as the instantiated object ãS=ã serialization and Attributes or perhaps Code access security or perhaps library signing or perhaps the GAC (for added security) or most importantly that the CLR was language agnostic from the start).

mind you...it did take a while to go cross platform.

I'm just glad Java in the browser no longer exists...and when I have to resort to Java...I use IKVM so I don't have to install the steaming pile of Java on my boxes (I've been in and out of the Java environment a number of times over the many years...and it's just as shit as ever).

Re: Wtf Oracle?

[Anonymous Coward]

> Java was a first in many areas

Not at all
1. No it wasn't. Language VMs go back to the mid 60s. Pascal was a mainstream language and UCSD was VM based. Many COBOL systems had VMs just like JVM since the 70s that allowed compiled programs to run anywhere. See: RM COBOL, Microfocus, and others.
2. Garbage collection was invented by John McCarthy around 1959 to simplify manual memory management in Lisp.
3. It didn't have "huge comprehensive libraries" when it first came out.
4. Many things have grown with the internet and open source.

Re: Wtf Oracle?

[TechyImmigrant]

Sweet16 on the Apple ][ was pretty early on. Not exactly a VM, but an interpreted machine model, so close.

Re:Wtf Oracle?

[TechyImmigrant]

> I presume that Rust handles it well, but I've never really studied Rust.

I've studied Rust from the underpinnings up, in terms of its security properties, which are truly excellent if you care about the compiler doing what you tell it to do when you're implementing cryptographic software.

However last week I took it upon myself to study the language itself and things went downhill fast. Lots of unnecessary punctuation. Strange non intuitive syntax for mutable vs non mutable. Too much typing compared to other modern languages.

Rust is a great idea, but I do wish they had the programmer in mind when developing the syntax.

Re:Wtf Oracle?

[sfcat]

Java really needs a Unicode character type built into the language, and not that 16-bit mish-mash that they used. It was a reasonable choice when they made it, but it's really a drag on it's general utility. Last I checked the language didn't even have a usable "is punctuation" function. You had to write it yourself. Either standardize on utf-8 or utf-32 (I think they call that UCS4 or some such). Either is a reasonable choice, Utf-8 matches external media, and utf-32 is better for internal manipulation. Utf-16 is neither fish nor fowl, but only foul. You need to maintain it for backwards compatibility, but really it should be deprecated, and planned for elimination in a decade or so.

I would say that the Unicode character type is built into the language and that's part of the problem. A native UTF-8 char type string is what is really needed but that's really because of performance. The character abstractions built into Java are just fine and deal with anything you mentioned. is_punctuation is a weird concept that would have to be built into a locale somehow as punctuation isn't a universal concept. Also, it would be very difficult to implement correctly 100% of the time and is subject to frequent change and is locale specific. So its exclusion from the standard runtime is probably for the best. Java has issues with characters and strings but you didn't really state what's wrong with it and if you have to deal with i18n issues its the best of the languages for handling those issues that's I've seen.

Re:Wtf Oracle?

[angel'o'sphere]

Of course the other points are false.
Just because you have Java installed on your machine it does it not make accessible for remote executbel code.
You would need a program like yours, that listens on an USB port and accepts incoming messages, or on a socket.
So: it is a problem of the programmer, just as in your example. If you use OS specific C libraries to access an USB port obviously your program is tied to that OS. What has that to do with portability of the language? Or their cross platform abilities?

Re: Wtf Oracle?

[Anonymous Coward]

Meh, UCSD Pascal was running in its own VM on an Apple II, decades earlier than Java.

Re: Wtf Oracle?

[Anonymous Coward]

Teach Assembly and C then they can move on to these toys on their own.

Re: Wtf Oracle?

[HiThere]

The Apple ][ was one of the computers that could run the UCSD Pascal environment. And I can't see any reason to deny that that environment was a virtual machine. But that was nearly a decade later.

Re:Wtf Oracle?

[HiThere]

You could define punctuation from the Unicode Classification. In fact that's what I did when writing the Java definition. But that I should have to do so is appalling. That should be built into the language. And 16 bit Unicode is only decent when strictly dealing with western European languages. Either utf-8 or utf-32 would handled the entire character set. Utf-8 is more complex code because of the variable length encoding, but *IF* you build all the basic functions into the language that's not a problem. Utf-32 is more straightforwards when dealing with code in RAM, but it requires more memory space to handle things. So either one is a reasonable choice. Utf-16 has the worst feature of both and the good features of neither.

Re: Wtf Oracle?

[TechyImmigrant]

Yes. I learned Pascal on an Apple ][+ with UCSD Pascal.

Re:Wtf Oracle?

[jeremyp]

i've run pure Java applications on Windows, Linux and MacOS. As a rule, the only issues I've seen are with path names. Java contains everything you need for platform agnostic paths but people often fail to use them..

Anyway, on your list, number 4 is true but so what? OO is a good thing. Number 7 is also true, but the main problem there is people seeing Oracle as a bogeyman instead of facing the reality of the situation. If the worst thing they are going to do is not allow Eclipse to use the Java trademark, so what.

Everything else just speaks to an irrational hatred of Java.

Re:Wtf Oracle?

[Aaden42]

Cause Oracle is greedy.

Re:Wtf Oracle?

[TechyImmigrant]

>Everything else just speaks to an irrational hatred of Java.

I've avoided it for 25+ years and I enjoy programming in higher and lower level languages. So my irrational hatred of Java seems be working for me.

More seriously, I wasn't being serious. The question was "Why was "Java" bad, exactly?". So I came up with all the reasons I could think of that people don't like Java. Then the mild autism spectrum crowd piled on in.
 

Re:Wtf Oracle?

[Anonymous Coward]

They had a chance to call .Net Core something else that made more sense, but kept it going

Re:Wtf Oracle?

[squiggleslash]

No they didn't. When was the last time you "programmed in .NET"?

They called C# C#. They called the CLR the CLR. The CLI the CLI. The CIL the CIL. Now, if you want to complain that they went overboard with that...

WTF Slashdot.

[0100010001010011]

As a Slashdot reader since ~2001, this is just unacceptable.

On days I was on the internet I think I've checked them at least once a day. Even if it was just to scan headlines.

After deleting Facebook and trying to migrate away from Reddit I've been commenting daily. That is until the problems started.

https://meta.slashdot.org/stor...

I actually had high hopes for the new ownership. I liked a lot of changes and whiplash actually engaged the community.

But this is just unacceptable. Slashdot is how I survived 9/11 when CNN couldn't handle the traffic. Slashdot defined 'slashdotting' long before "going viral" was a thing. I think Coral Cache was created just for Slashdotting.

While the comments have shifted a bit more right (politically) than I did. And the owners shifted left. (Leading to entertaining comments). And while it's not exactly the same type of news like it used to be. The moderation format and the ability to just plain hide low rated comments mean it's still one of the best places on the internet to have any sort of discussion.

And I can't ever remember this sort of outage. Or the plethora of 5xx errors I was getting before the outage started.

My guess is all the young guns don't know Perl like the old ones and something broke. But of all sites on the internet Slashdot is the one that should be able to handle anything.

I know the DevOps exists to scale from a few hundred hits an hour to a few thousand a second. /0100010001010011

Re:WTF Slashdot.

[DontBeAMoran]

But of all sites on the internet Slashdot is the one that should be able to handle anything.

Really? They can't even handle unicode, so maybe you should curb your enthusiasm.

Re:WTF Slashdot.

[caseih]

Actually no, the problems have nothing to do with Slashcode or perl. The problems were farther up stream. The entire Sourceforge family of web sites were down. This appears to be an infrastructure problem. A few days ago they were subject to a denial of service attack, and I suspect that caused some pieces of critical infrastructure to fall over. Slashdot is just one part of the bigger failure.

Today's DDoS attacks are nothing like what web sites experienced on 9/11, so comparing traffic to then is a bit silly.

Kudos to the admins for getting everything (SF.net, slashdot, etc) all back up and running. Must have been a pretty bad situation.

Re:WTF Slashdot.

[Anonymous Coward]

2001? Fucking noob.

Re:WTF Slashdot.

[helpfulcorn]

WTF you, going to keep spamming this shit everywhere? I've been around for years too, yes it's irritating, but I'm tired of seeing your damn comment repeatedly, it isn't helping. If anything you're contributing to DDoS issues, shut the fuck up, please.

Re:WTF Slashdot.

[whipslash]

Sorry we inconvenienced you and interrupted your normal routine. It wasn't a fun time for us either, I can assure you. We inherited an aging setup in the acquisition that was located physically far away from us. We made a big investment in a new hardware set up, and ran into sizable issues including a massive DDOS during the process. Going forward we expect much better uptime. We will be dedicating a lot of time and resources this year to improving Slashdot.

Re:WTF Slashdot.

[whipslash]

Nailed it. Thank you

Re:WTF Slashdot.

[antdude]

Weclome back! Please make this an announcement so everyone knows.

Re:WTF Slashdot.

[sheramil]

Sounds like a good idea for a... thread, on slashdot!

Re:WTF Slashdot.

[whipslash]

Yeah

Re:WTF Slashdot.

[thePsychologist]

Seriously? Slashdot was offline for a couple of days. Go outside for a walk.

I've tried a ton of other websites. Reddit for example, which turned out to be 99% lame whining.

While Slashdot has its problems too, the discussion system is the best I've experienced and even if the comments are sometimes a little whacky, they always give me something to think about.

Thanks to the Slashdot team for keeping this place alive.

Re:WTF Slashdot.

[PopeRatzo]

As a Slashdot reader since ~2001, this is just unacceptable.

I've been reading Slashdot since the mid-1970s. I remember how we used to wait for the pages to render on the Illiac IV. We would pass the time by playing table football with a piece of paper folded into a triangle, I became really good at that game and later turned pro, but had to retire after a brief career due to injuries. Hell, I still have mod points that date back to 1983. I'd use them, but now they're collectors items and worth a lot of money.

You kids don't know how good you got it. Not being able to access Slashdot for a week? Hell, when we voted in a Slashdot poll back in the day, it would take almost that long just to see the results. That was back when computing was done by men in white shortsleeve shirts and black neckties and we didn't have to worry about the SJWs forcing us to work with women and wear deodorant or refrain from scratching our nuts. We'd have ashtrays on top of the CPUs because everyone in computing back then smoked Parliaments.

Re:WTF Slashdot.

[bn-7bc]

Well reddit is a big place, I'll afree with you that the front page, and a lott of subreddits are rather mediocre, but 99% bad might be a bit pesimistic. I would sa 85-90% bad. Then again negative news/opinion travles further and faster then the posetive variaty, so it is not surprising.a few examples of mildly helpfull, or at least infarmative sub reddits : /r/postgresql /r/ipv6 /r/blackmagicdesign.

Re:WTF Slashdot.

[sg_oneill]

Seriously. Safari uses a "smart brackets" scheme to turn curly brackets into left and right brackets.Which is unicode. Slashdot just splatters it all over the place. A decade ago this might be semi acceptable as a lot of places where still using legacy code that made unicode fiddly to deal with, but in 2017 modern web frameworks handle unicode more or less transparently.

Granted Slashdot still runs off crusty old Perl, surely its not THAT hard to update to modern unicofe handling.

Re:WTF Slashdot.

[TheRaven64]

Slashdot being down wasn't too much of a problem, but the killer was that SourceForge was accessible only via HTTP, not via HTTPS. This broken things like CocoaPods (or Go or Rust's dependency schemes), so it was impossible to automatically fetch and build projects using this kind of tool if any of the dependencies were on SourceForge. I suspect that a lot of these projects are going to be cloning their dependencies on GitHub and moving their dependency over there. I built OSMAnd's iOS version during the downtime and had to manually patch the pod to grab one of the dependencies from a GitHub fork instead.

This wouldn't have mattered so much if there had been a 'We are currently experiencing a DDoS, please be patient' message on SourceForge, and if HTTP and HTTPS had been down (during an attack, being able to access the contents only via a mechanism that does nothing to prevent tampering made me very nervous). Instead, I was left with the feeling that SF is considered a legacy system that no one cares about. This is more or less how GNA worked in the months before they finally killed it.

Re:WTF Slashdot.

[serviscope_minor]

Sorry we inconvenienced you and interrupted your normal routine.

You did and it's unacceptable. I actually had to leave my basement during what normies call "daytime" or some such. I think we're all going to die because we appear to be far too close to a star for comfort.

We inherited an aging setup in the acquisition that was located physically far away from us.

How old is the infrasturcture?

I'm kind of curious: slashdot was a very high traffic site relative to many others back when the internet was much smaller, clouds were floofy blobs of tiny water drops and the only CDN most of had heard of was coralcache.

We will be dedicating a lot of time and resources this year to improving Slashdot.

I look forward to it, but for the sake of us old fogies, please keep the lovely javascript free mode. It's incredibly fast and nice to use on any compter.

Also, is sourceforge going to see some love? Github seems to be taking a lot of the mindshare these days, but it kind of sucks.

Re:WTF Slashdot.

[DontBeAMoran]

surely its not THAT hard to update to modern unicofe handling

Slashdot can't handle unicovfefe.

Re:WTF Slashdot.

[tepples]

Granted Slashdot still runs off crusty old Perl, surely its not THAT hard to update to modern unicofe handling.

Ultimately, deprioritization of Unicode handling in Slash is related to the "erocS" incident from 2002, where vandals would use certain control characters to spoof moderation scores.

Re: WTF Slashdot.

[Anonymous Coward]

Shut off your computer, go outside, and try to enjoy the brisk Moscow air, you steaming bucket of Nazi diarrhea.

Jakarta?

[DontBeAMoran]

How about Coffy McCoffeeface?

Re:Jakarta?

[technosaurus]

I'd modified this funny if Slashdot hadn't been down so long that I lost my mod points.

Re:Jakarta?

[Anonymous Coward]

How about Suharto?

Yeah, I wouldn't have dared say that in 1996.

Re:Jakarta?

[Tailhook]

Was anything of value lost?

Re:Jakarta?

[Anonymous Coward]

I'd modify you into someone who knows what funny means, but I don't control fucking lightning

Re:Jakarta?

[Anonymous Coward]

I did it because I'm about to lose 15 of them. Over a choice of less than 100 messages to moderate.

Re:Jakarta?

[AHuxley]

1965 Tragedy edition?

Re:Jakarta?

[Anonymous Coward]

I'd have modded it funny. But it isn't.

Re:Jakarta?

[Megane]

Jakarta? Nah, she looked at least thirty.

No explanation for the outage?

[imcdona]

Slashdot was down for two or three days and no explanation?

Re:No explanation for the outage?

[whipslash]

https://news.slashdot.org/comm...

Re:No explanation for the outage?

[Anonymous Coward]

https://news.slashdot.org/story/01/06/27/124207/blow-by-blow-account-of-the-osdn-outage

That is an explanation of an outage. Not your whiney little "We didn't set it up, so it's crap." comment. Greater men than you set up slashdot and kept it going for a lot longer with a lot more attacks going on. No one cares about slashdot/OSDN anymore. But at one point, slashdot was the target of real interest and DDOS.

Re:No explanation for the outage?

[TheRaven64]

That's a comment in an unrelated story. The original owners always put a front-page story up explaining downtime, if possible during the outage in the case of an intermittent problem.

Apache

[bugs2squash]

so it's an apache project now ?

Re:Apache

[Anonymous Coward]

No. Apache stopped using the Jakarta name years ago, and is actually formally giving Eclipse permission to use the Jakarta name... just to be sure there are no legal problems with the use of the name.

Heh, yea quick, rename it. That'll fool them.

[Narcocide]

This won't work. People are still gonna know it's Java.

Whatâ(TM)s in a name

[Neo-Rio-101]

Why name it after a big dirty city with the worst traffic in the world which is also sinking?

Re:Whatâ(TM)s in a name

[Anonymous Coward]

Why name an online book and everything site after a big river in south america? It is just a name, ideally easy to remember and relatively easy to spell

Re:Whatâ(TM)s in a name

[tonique]

They could've picked another place in Indonesia, like Padangsidempuan.

Re:Whatâ(TM)s in a name

[mrbester]

They were going to go with "Dumpster Fire" but the responses from the focus group weren't favourable.

Re:Whatâ(TM)s in a name

[countach]

I can see the similarities, why can't you?

Re:Whatâ(TM)s in a name

[Anonymous Coward]

I found out recently that it’s actually named after a conference room back at Sun. It’s Java-themed, so that’s why they chose it. Sorry, I don’t have a specific reference for that fact right now.

Re: Whatâ(TM)s in a name

[Anonymous Coward]

Nooooooo, I vote for Solo (Surakarta).

As if Java SE wasn't confusing enought...

[Anonymous Coward]

for their customers. The need to provide nonconfusing names to customers!

Minecraft Jakarta Edition

[Anonymous Coward]

Man just when Minecraft finished rebranding to Java edition.

Just minding my business...

[Anonymous Coward]

.. . having a 'reflexy' session (usd10/120mins) in northern Jakarta when I read this.

What???
Search results for technical help will be returned mixed with news of a VERY large capital city. And vice versa.

Re: Just minding my business...

[Anonymous Coward]

I know it. You must be in Kota/Mangga Besar/Mangga Dua area. I know that because I am a Jakarta.

But I hope it will be renamed into Solo or Surakarta, my hometown.

What?

[backslashdot]

Yeah oh boy that was a tough choice bro .. Jakarta EE versus "Enterprise Profile" ??? wtf.

Seriously though, who the heck voted for Enterprise Profile? Trekkies?

Re:What?

[Anonymous Coward]

Seriously though, who the heck voted for Enterprise Profile? Trekkies?

Since their abbreviate to JEE and "Ent PEE", my guess for the second would be Hobbits...

Re:What?

[K. S. Kyosuke]

No, Trekkies would have called it Raktajino. ;)

Jakarta???

[Anonymous Coward]

Was Javalin never considered?
Yes, I am aware of the spelling difference.

Wow

[Anonymous Coward]

I am a Javanese, living in Java, drinking Javan coffee. I also do programming in Java PL. And yes, I am married to Javanese lady. Our son is also Javanese.

My parents are Javanese too.

But my boss is, hmmm, Sundanese.

Oracle

[PPH]

The Greeks want their name back. "Providing wise and insightful counsel." You are damaging the brand image.

A Turd by Any other Name would smell as bad

[Anonymous Coward]

Still just a turd, with a new name.

Java is fast, when you let the profiler an JIT compiler run. Who cares if a few arcter of ser put get drpped? jst ave te use typ it in again.

Who cares if "hello world" takes 1Gb of RAM to run, RAM is cheap!

Who cares if an app takes 10 mins to load, user time is free!

Who cares if it's tied to a specific java implementation a specific version, a specific version of the class libs, and requires 10GB of "helpers" to run?

Java is fast, Java is current. Your next OS will be Java Based! Once it boots up in a month or two, think of the speed!

A bigger concern that the name change...

[iampiti]

...is the reason it happened. Namely: Oracle has abandoned Java EE to the community and won't develop it further. I was under the impression that it still was pretty important in the enterprise web application scene. Why would they abandon it?
Anyway, it doesn't look good for Java EE. Without the financial support of a big company how can it hope to remain relevant?