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'Java EE' Has Been Renamed 'Jakarta EE' (i-programmer.info)

An anonymous reader quotes i-Programmer: The results are in for the vote on the new name for Java Enterprise Edition, and unsurprisingly the voters have chosen Jakarta EE. The renaming has to happen because Oracle refused to let the name Java be used. The vote was to choose between two options - 'Jakarta EE' and 'Enterprise Profile'. According to Mike Milinkovich, executive director at the Eclipse Foundation, almost 7,000 people voted, and over 64% voted in favour of Jakarta EE. The other finalist, "Enterprise Profile," came in at just 35.6% of the votes when voted ended last Friday.
"Other Java projects have also been renamed in Eclipse," notes SD Times. "Glassfish is now Eclipse Glassfish. The Java Community Process is now the Eclipse EE.next Working Group, and Oracle development management is now Eclipse Enterprise for Java Project Management Committee."

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  1. Wtf Oracle? by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 1

    Why was "Java" bad, exactly?

    (Meanwhile no one is regretting moving to node.js and the like.)

    1. Re:Wtf Oracle? by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      I don't know, but one thing .NET has over Java is that they didn't call everything "Java", leading to confusion about the JVM vs the language vs the standard classes vs the Java browser plug-in etc.

      So from my point of view, de-Javaing the Enterprise Edition is long overdue and a step in the right direction.

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    2. Re:Wtf Oracle? by jrumney · · Score: 1

      It's not that it's bad, it's that Oracle owns the name, but they don't want to maintain the product. So they farm out the costly maintenance to the community, but keep their precious name that they paid $5.6 billion for.

    3. Re:Wtf Oracle? by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1, Funny

      Why was "Java" bad, exactly?

      1) A system for remote code injection.
      2) Lots of library code full of vulnerabilities.
      3) Write once, run anywhere, except that bit never worked.
      4) Another bloody OO language.
      5) Useless for writing operating systems.
      6) Exhibit #1 in things they teach in schools instead of teaching computer science.
      7) Oracle

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    4. Re:Wtf Oracle? by Archtech · · Score: 1

      That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard... at any rate since Sun first established the "Java" trademark and generously announced that it wouldn't sue inhabitants of the island of Java if they used the name to describe their home.

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    5. Re:Wtf Oracle? by Archtech · · Score: 1

      I don't know, but one thing .NET has over Java is that they didn't call everything "Java".

      No, they called everything ".NET".

      Duh.

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    6. Re: Wtf Oracle? by Narcocide · · Score: 1

      It's not better by much.

    7. Re:Wtf Oracle? by rossdee · · Score: 1

      So what about the inhabitants of the capital city of Indonesia?

      They should have called it Krakatoa

    8. Re:Wtf Oracle? by tepples · · Score: 1

      True, the .NET brand was overused early on, but Microsoft cleaned that up fairly quickly. In addition, even from the beginning, Microsoft had distinct names for each component of the .NET Framework, such as CLR (Common Language Runtime) and C# (a Java-inspired language).

    9. Re:Wtf Oracle? by PPH · · Score: 1

      Encroaching on Microsoft's IP. How dare they!

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    10. Re:Wtf Oracle? by awe_cz · · Score: 1

      Especially fifth point is really strong... not.

    11. Re: Wtf Oracle? by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      None of those things is relevant to the question of why is it bad.

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    12. Re: Wtf Oracle? by HiThere · · Score: 1

      No. The first mainstream language that had a VM was either Algol or Pascal, depending on exactly what your definitions are. (Pascal was more mainstream, but Algol had the earlier VM...I used to use BCAlgol which implemented Algol with a reverse polish VM for the IBM 7094...or at least it ran on the IBM 7090-7094 DCS system.)

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    13. Re:Wtf Oracle? by HiThere · · Score: 1

      OK, but by any name Java is still piss-poor at handling Unicode. You can do it, but I kept having to write basic library functions myself, and finally switched. Admittedly, C is worse, and C++ has a different set of problems, but go and D handle it well. (So, in fact, do Vala, Python, and Ruby, but they're a different class of language.) I presume that Rust handles it well, but I've never really studied Rust.

      Java really needs a Unicode character type built into the language, and not that 16-bit mish-mash that they used. It was a reasonable choice when they made it, but it's really a drag on it's general utility. Last I checked the language didn't even have a usable "is punctuation" function. You had to write it yourself. Either standardize on utf-8 or utf-32 (I think they call that UCS4 or some such). Either is a reasonable choice, Utf-8 matches external media, and utf-32 is better for internal manipulation. Utf-16 is neither fish nor fowl, but only foul. You need to maintain it for backwards compatibility, but really it should be deprecated, and planned for elimination in a decade or so.

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    14. Re:Wtf Oracle? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      That is not how trade marks work ...
      So good luck suing a busines in a foreign country that happens to be on in Island with the same name like your product ...

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    15. Re:Wtf Oracle? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 2

      Except for 7) everything false.
      I work with Java since 1995, I never had any cross platform problem. However I never wrote code for the micdro edition.

      No idea what you have against oo, probably you are to dumb to use it properly?

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    16. Re: Wtf Oracle? by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      Sweet16 on the Apple ][ was pretty early on. Not exactly a VM, but an interpreted machine model, so close.

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    17. Re:Wtf Oracle? by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      > I presume that Rust handles it well, but I've never really studied Rust.

      I've studied Rust from the underpinnings up, in terms of its security properties, which are truly excellent if you care about the compiler doing what you tell it to do when you're implementing cryptographic software.

      However last week I took it upon myself to study the language itself and things went downhill fast. Lots of unnecessary punctuation. Strange non intuitive syntax for mutable vs non mutable. Too much typing compared to other modern languages.

      Rust is a great idea, but I do wish they had the programmer in mind when developing the syntax.

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    18. Re:Wtf Oracle? by sfcat · · Score: 1

      Java really needs a Unicode character type built into the language, and not that 16-bit mish-mash that they used. It was a reasonable choice when they made it, but it's really a drag on it's general utility. Last I checked the language didn't even have a usable "is punctuation" function. You had to write it yourself. Either standardize on utf-8 or utf-32 (I think they call that UCS4 or some such). Either is a reasonable choice, Utf-8 matches external media, and utf-32 is better for internal manipulation. Utf-16 is neither fish nor fowl, but only foul. You need to maintain it for backwards compatibility, but really it should be deprecated, and planned for elimination in a decade or so.

      I would say that the Unicode character type is built into the language and that's part of the problem. A native UTF-8 char type string is what is really needed but that's really because of performance. The character abstractions built into Java are just fine and deal with anything you mentioned. is_punctuation is a weird concept that would have to be built into a locale somehow as punctuation isn't a universal concept. Also, it would be very difficult to implement correctly 100% of the time and is subject to frequent change and is locale specific. So its exclusion from the standard runtime is probably for the best. Java has issues with characters and strings but you didn't really state what's wrong with it and if you have to deal with i18n issues its the best of the languages for handling those issues that's I've seen.

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    19. Re:Wtf Oracle? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Of course the other points are false.
      Just because you have Java installed on your machine it does it not make accessible for remote executbel code.
      You would need a program like yours, that listens on an USB port and accepts incoming messages, or on a socket.
      So: it is a problem of the programmer, just as in your example. If you use OS specific C libraries to access an USB port obviously your program is tied to that OS. What has that to do with portability of the language? Or their cross platform abilities?

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    20. Re: Wtf Oracle? by HiThere · · Score: 1

      The Apple ][ was one of the computers that could run the UCSD Pascal environment. And I can't see any reason to deny that that environment was a virtual machine. But that was nearly a decade later.

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    21. Re:Wtf Oracle? by HiThere · · Score: 1

      You could define punctuation from the Unicode Classification. In fact that's what I did when writing the Java definition. But that I should have to do so is appalling. That should be built into the language. And 16 bit Unicode is only decent when strictly dealing with western European languages. Either utf-8 or utf-32 would handled the entire character set. Utf-8 is more complex code because of the variable length encoding, but *IF* you build all the basic functions into the language that's not a problem. Utf-32 is more straightforwards when dealing with code in RAM, but it requires more memory space to handle things. So either one is a reasonable choice. Utf-16 has the worst feature of both and the good features of neither.

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    22. Re: Wtf Oracle? by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      Yes. I learned Pascal on an Apple ][+ with UCSD Pascal.

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    23. Re:Wtf Oracle? by jeremyp · · Score: 2

      i've run pure Java applications on Windows, Linux and MacOS. As a rule, the only issues I've seen are with path names. Java contains everything you need for platform agnostic paths but people often fail to use them..

      Anyway, on your list, number 4 is true but so what? OO is a good thing. Number 7 is also true, but the main problem there is people seeing Oracle as a bogeyman instead of facing the reality of the situation. If the worst thing they are going to do is not allow Eclipse to use the Java trademark, so what.

      Everything else just speaks to an irrational hatred of Java.

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    24. Re:Wtf Oracle? by Aaden42 · · Score: 1

      Cause Oracle is greedy.

    25. Re:Wtf Oracle? by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      >Everything else just speaks to an irrational hatred of Java.

      I've avoided it for 25+ years and I enjoy programming in higher and lower level languages. So my irrational hatred of Java seems be working for me.

      More seriously, I wasn't being serious. The question was "Why was "Java" bad, exactly?". So I came up with all the reasons I could think of that people don't like Java. Then the mild autism spectrum crowd piled on in.
       

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    26. Re:Wtf Oracle? by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      No they didn't. When was the last time you "programmed in .NET"?

      They called C# C#. They called the CLR the CLR. The CLI the CLI. The CIL the CIL. Now, if you want to complain that they went overboard with that...

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  2. Jakarta? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 3, Funny

    How about Coffy McCoffeeface?

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    1. Re:Jakarta? by technosaurus · · Score: 1

      I'd modified this funny if Slashdot hadn't been down so long that I lost my mod points.

    2. Re:Jakarta? by Tailhook · · Score: 1

      Was anything of value lost?

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    3. Re:Jakarta? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      1965 Tragedy edition?

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    4. Re:Jakarta? by Megane · · Score: 1

      Jakarta? Nah, she looked at least thirty.

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  3. Re:WTF Slashdot. by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

    But of all sites on the internet Slashdot is the one that should be able to handle anything.

    Really? They can't even handle unicode, so maybe you should curb your enthusiasm.

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  4. Re:WTF Slashdot. by caseih · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually no, the problems have nothing to do with Slashcode or perl. The problems were farther up stream. The entire Sourceforge family of web sites were down. This appears to be an infrastructure problem. A few days ago they were subject to a denial of service attack, and I suspect that caused some pieces of critical infrastructure to fall over. Slashdot is just one part of the bigger failure.

    Today's DDoS attacks are nothing like what web sites experienced on 9/11, so comparing traffic to then is a bit silly.

    Kudos to the admins for getting everything (SF.net, slashdot, etc) all back up and running. Must have been a pretty bad situation.

  5. Re:WTF Slashdot. by helpfulcorn · · Score: 2

    WTF you, going to keep spamming this shit everywhere? I've been around for years too, yes it's irritating, but I'm tired of seeing your damn comment repeatedly, it isn't helping. If anything you're contributing to DDoS issues, shut the fuck up, please.

  6. No explanation for the outage? by imcdona · · Score: 1

    Slashdot was down for two or three days and no explanation?

    1. Re:No explanation for the outage? by whipslash · · Score: 1
    2. Re:No explanation for the outage? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      That's a comment in an unrelated story. The original owners always put a front-page story up explaining downtime, if possible during the outage in the case of an intermittent problem.

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  7. Re:WTF Slashdot. by whipslash · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sorry we inconvenienced you and interrupted your normal routine. It wasn't a fun time for us either, I can assure you. We inherited an aging setup in the acquisition that was located physically far away from us. We made a big investment in a new hardware set up, and ran into sizable issues including a massive DDOS during the process. Going forward we expect much better uptime. We will be dedicating a lot of time and resources this year to improving Slashdot.

  8. Re:WTF Slashdot. by whipslash · · Score: 1

    Nailed it. Thank you

  9. Re:WTF Slashdot. by antdude · · Score: 1

    Weclome back! Please make this an announcement so everyone knows.

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  10. Re:WTF Slashdot. by sheramil · · Score: 1

    Sounds like a good idea for a... thread, on slashdot!

  11. Re:WTF Slashdot. by whipslash · · Score: 1

    Yeah

  12. Apache by bugs2squash · · Score: 1

    so it's an apache project now ?

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  13. Heh, yea quick, rename it. That'll fool them. by Narcocide · · Score: 1

    This won't work. People are still gonna know it's Java.

  14. Re:WTF Slashdot. by thePsychologist · · Score: 1

    Seriously? Slashdot was offline for a couple of days. Go outside for a walk.

    I've tried a ton of other websites. Reddit for example, which turned out to be 99% lame whining.

    While Slashdot has its problems too, the discussion system is the best I've experienced and even if the comments are sometimes a little whacky, they always give me something to think about.

    Thanks to the Slashdot team for keeping this place alive.

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  15. Whatâ(TM)s in a name by Neo-Rio-101 · · Score: 1

    Why name it after a big dirty city with the worst traffic in the world which is also sinking?

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    1. Re:Whatâ(TM)s in a name by tonique · · Score: 1

      They could've picked another place in Indonesia, like Padangsidempuan.

    2. Re:Whatâ(TM)s in a name by mrbester · · Score: 1

      They were going to go with "Dumpster Fire" but the responses from the focus group weren't favourable.

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    3. Re:Whatâ(TM)s in a name by countach · · Score: 1

      I can see the similarities, why can't you?

  16. Re:WTF Slashdot. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    As a Slashdot reader since ~2001, this is just unacceptable.

    I've been reading Slashdot since the mid-1970s. I remember how we used to wait for the pages to render on the Illiac IV. We would pass the time by playing table football with a piece of paper folded into a triangle, I became really good at that game and later turned pro, but had to retire after a brief career due to injuries. Hell, I still have mod points that date back to 1983. I'd use them, but now they're collectors items and worth a lot of money.

    You kids don't know how good you got it. Not being able to access Slashdot for a week? Hell, when we voted in a Slashdot poll back in the day, it would take almost that long just to see the results. That was back when computing was done by men in white shortsleeve shirts and black neckties and we didn't have to worry about the SJWs forcing us to work with women and wear deodorant or refrain from scratching our nuts. We'd have ashtrays on top of the CPUs because everyone in computing back then smoked Parliaments.

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  17. What? by backslashdot · · Score: 1

    Yeah oh boy that was a tough choice bro .. Jakarta EE versus "Enterprise Profile" ??? wtf.

    Seriously though, who the heck voted for Enterprise Profile? Trekkies?

    1. Re:What? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      No, Trekkies would have called it Raktajino. ;)

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  18. Re:WTF Slashdot. by bn-7bc · · Score: 1

    Well reddit is a big place, I'll afree with you that the front page, and a lott of subreddits are rather mediocre, but 99% bad might be a bit pesimistic. I would sa 85-90% bad. Then again negative news/opinion travles further and faster then the posetive variaty, so it is not surprising.a few examples of mildly helpfull, or at least infarmative sub reddits : /r/postgresql /r/ipv6 /r/blackmagicdesign.

  19. Re:WTF Slashdot. by sg_oneill · · Score: 1

    Seriously. Safari uses a "smart brackets" scheme to turn curly brackets into left and right brackets.Which is unicode. Slashdot just splatters it all over the place. A decade ago this might be semi acceptable as a lot of places where still using legacy code that made unicode fiddly to deal with, but in 2017 modern web frameworks handle unicode more or less transparently.

    Granted Slashdot still runs off crusty old Perl, surely its not THAT hard to update to modern unicofe handling.

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  20. Re:WTF Slashdot. by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

    Slashdot being down wasn't too much of a problem, but the killer was that SourceForge was accessible only via HTTP, not via HTTPS. This broken things like CocoaPods (or Go or Rust's dependency schemes), so it was impossible to automatically fetch and build projects using this kind of tool if any of the dependencies were on SourceForge. I suspect that a lot of these projects are going to be cloning their dependencies on GitHub and moving their dependency over there. I built OSMAnd's iOS version during the downtime and had to manually patch the pod to grab one of the dependencies from a GitHub fork instead.

    This wouldn't have mattered so much if there had been a 'We are currently experiencing a DDoS, please be patient' message on SourceForge, and if HTTP and HTTPS had been down (during an attack, being able to access the contents only via a mechanism that does nothing to prevent tampering made me very nervous). Instead, I was left with the feeling that SF is considered a legacy system that no one cares about. This is more or less how GNA worked in the months before they finally killed it.

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  21. Re:WTF Slashdot. by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

    Sorry we inconvenienced you and interrupted your normal routine.

    You did and it's unacceptable. I actually had to leave my basement during what normies call "daytime" or some such. I think we're all going to die because we appear to be far too close to a star for comfort.

    We inherited an aging setup in the acquisition that was located physically far away from us.

    How old is the infrasturcture?

    I'm kind of curious: slashdot was a very high traffic site relative to many others back when the internet was much smaller, clouds were floofy blobs of tiny water drops and the only CDN most of had heard of was coralcache.

    We will be dedicating a lot of time and resources this year to improving Slashdot.

    I look forward to it, but for the sake of us old fogies, please keep the lovely javascript free mode. It's incredibly fast and nice to use on any compter.

    Also, is sourceforge going to see some love? Github seems to be taking a lot of the mindshare these days, but it kind of sucks.

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  22. Re:WTF Slashdot. by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

    surely its not THAT hard to update to modern unicofe handling

    Slashdot can't handle unicovfefe.

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  23. Re:WTF Slashdot. by tepples · · Score: 1

    Granted Slashdot still runs off crusty old Perl, surely its not THAT hard to update to modern unicofe handling.

    Ultimately, deprioritization of Unicode handling in Slash is related to the "erocS" incident from 2002, where vandals would use certain control characters to spoof moderation scores.

  24. Oracle by PPH · · Score: 1

    The Greeks want their name back. "Providing wise and insightful counsel." You are damaging the brand image.

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  25. A bigger concern that the name change... by iampiti · · Score: 2

    ...is the reason it happened. Namely: Oracle has abandoned Java EE to the community and won't develop it further. I was under the impression that it still was pretty important in the enterprise web application scene. Why would they abandon it?
    Anyway, it doesn't look good for Java EE. Without the financial support of a big company how can it hope to remain relevant?