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Sri Lanka Blocks Facebook, Instagram To Prevent Spread of Hate Speech (lankabusinessonline.com)

Sri Lanka has blocked social media websites Facebook, Instagram and WhatsApp to avoid the spread of hate speech in the country, local media reported on Wednesday. From the report: Even though there is no official confirmation from the authorities, the Cabinet Spokesman Minister Rajitha Senaratne on Wednesday said the government has decided to block access to certain social media. Telecom Regulatory Commission (TRC) has started to monitor all social media platforms to curb hate speech related to communal riots escalated in Kandy district. Telecommunication service providers (ISPs) have also restricted internet access in Kandy district on the instructions of the TRC.

123 comments

  1. Time to block them all by mveloso · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's funny, the social networks have gotten to the point where they can disrupt a society more than they can help it. Time to shut them all down and start again.

    1. Re:Time to block them all by evanh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Agreed. No rules (global reach) + commercial = "wild-west"

    2. Re:Time to block them all by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The EU takes a smarter approach: no block, but strict laws governing a posteriori censorship (because that's what the proposed anti hate speech laws amount to). Think social media are afraid of those laws? Think again. I think that there might be some unholy alliance brewing between governments and social media. The EU makes anti hate speech laws that are onerous, with harsh fines, but at the same time just a little bit vague. That gives social media the excuse they need to start censoring stuff that they themselves deem undesirable, "just to be on the safe side and not fall afoul of the law", thus avoiding the accusation of taking one side and silencing the other. The EU meanwhile will be pleased as punch as well to have that stuff disappearing from the public view, all without actually having to censor it. Those companies and governments know full well that their dislike of certain speech runs largely along the same lines.

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    3. Re:Time to block them all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What? There's no difference between a direct block and by proxy law. They both serve the lefts goal of stifling communication. We do however agree this shit serves both parties interests - greed and and control.

      Don't know which I fear more ,the so called five eyes or the other ~190.

    4. Re:Time to block them all by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      The problem isn't social networks, but foreign actors who abuse their flaws.

      Lets use social media to setup a Protest against Policy X and try to get all the people who are fervently against it to show up. At the same time with a different login name setup a Protest in the same spot strongly supporting Policy X get as many people fervently for it to show up too. If they are lucky it will cause violence. The country doesn't care about Policy X, only that it is contentious and easy to manipulate people to go out and be fervent on their cause.

      Moderate views are getting tuned out, because the extreme voices are being picked up and amplified.

      Lets go to Teenagers eating Tide Pods. They are old enough to know better, however their persona is to be the person who goes to the extreme, because this causes them to get attention. So to show how brave and extreme they are they will put Tide pods in their mouth. We have seen this behavior in the past before social media, with kids drinking until wasted and proudly state how wasted they were the previous night.

      Being now there is an audience for your view point, whatever one it is to be. If you go Extreme you will get a solidify audience. While a moderate response, will get a tepid response, because people will need to parse out for themselves what they like and don't like about a particular view point, and cannot fall back on a binary, they are with more or they arn't

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    5. Re: Time to block them all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no foreign actors after US forced the globalization on everyone. Internet is global, and we scream and whine when things like China try to separate their internet off. It is a height of hipocristy to blame any actor for being foreign after abolishing their souvereignity

    6. Re:Time to block them all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Do you really think social networks are the problem? Fake news are the problem?
      Nope. It's people the real problem. We are still full of people that decide and act entirely driven by emotions. Fake news or hate speech only resonate with something that was already inside them, rotting. They are not interested in how true or false a news article or a position may be. They already decide they were going to hate this group or believe this nonsense beforehand, and the fake news article is just a form of validation and a way for them to realise that they are not alone. This is, IMHO, the really dangerous part of fake news/hate speech on social networks: not the fake "the article is deceiving them!" part of it but the network "i am not alone in my racism/hate" part of it.
      "Time to block them all": now try to stop ideas from spreading and let's see where that gets you.

    7. Re:Time to block them all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you think it's the fault of the people exercising free speech??

      You think blaming those being censored is the issue?

      In WW2 you would be blaming the Jews for making the Nazi's hate them, rounding them up, taking their property.

    8. Re: Time to block them all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sri Lanka is not home to many Hindu 'chimps' as you put it.
      As Chimpanzees have almost the same DNA as we do, perhaps it is you who it the 'chimp'?
      Have you ever wondered what these people think of the USA and the people who live there? Most of the time, what they think is not very nice at all.

    9. Re:Time to block them all by Dread_ed · · Score: 1

      Average American to the media: "We want more "human interest" stories with a positive outlook. Stop serving us divisive, sensational stories with no redeeming social value!"

      {Clicks furiously on all of the divisive, sensational news stories with no redeeming social value}

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      When the only tool you have is a claw hammer every problem starts to look like the back of someone's skull.
    10. Re:Time to block them all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What will people do with all the free time they now have? Actually go outside and interact with real people?

    11. Re:Time to block them all by barc0001 · · Score: 2

      An alternative to blocking them: Requiring actual names and user registrations. Every account links back to a real person and their real name is beside every post. No more bots, no more offshore Texans from Russia.

      Dating myself, but back in Ye Olde Days of BBSs, you had to apply and the SysOp would call you to verify your information before activating your account on their system. We used pseudonyms but the SysOp had a list of who everyone really was, and if someone acted like an ass on the message board or online games, the banhammer came. It tended to keep things relatively civil.

    12. Re: Time to block them all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is that John Gabriel's Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory turned out to be inaccurate...

      It turns out that it should have been 'lack of proximity' rather than 'anonymity'

    13. Re: Time to block them all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As an European, deciding between the culture of India and USA is being between a rock and a hard place.
      However, at the end of the day, I prefer having around people with strong work ethics and who can talk and write English coherently
      Obviously we do not have in high opinion the legion of retards that fake through their job and are so fucking lazy that when they go to ENGLISH forums asking help for trivial questions, are so lazy that complaint about people "forcing" them to write English, and do not want to have the work of writing complete posts describing THEIR problems.

    14. Re:Time to block them all by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      Nah.. It's only in oppressive governments where hate speech even exists as a concept. In healthy republics it's just called speech.

    15. Re: Time to block them all by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      Well I'm sure. Propaganda has that effect on people.

    16. Re:Time to block them all by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      So...be afraid of government threats over saying the wrong thing is Ok as long as you agree with the government in what is the wrong thing to say?

      How is this any different from Russia or China or North Korea again? In both cases, if there is a discrepancy between what the government doesn't want you to say and what you want to say, the government wins.

      Don't worry, though. Europe won't misuse the power to censor to help those in power maintain power, even though human history is crammed with examples and escaping from that is nearly impossible.

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    17. Re:Time to block them all by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      They are trying that but get into heat over subjects people need anonymity for.

      In any case, the right to speak anonymously is part of free speech, and is like the right to vote anonymously, and for much the same reason.

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    18. Re: Time to block them all by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

      Pray tell, where might I find one of these healthy republics?

    19. Re: Time to block them all by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

      People who support censorship of views they dislike do no deserve their own freedom of speech.

    20. Re: Time to block them all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you favor totalitarianism. Nice to know.

      How's the air pollution there in Beijing?

    21. Re:Time to block them all by barc0001 · · Score: 1

      > They are trying that but get into heat over subjects people need anonymity for.

      Can you come up with a real world example of why someone would *need* anonymity to post to Facebook, for example? Private emails and the like can be encrypted, as well as sent from anonymized services, but I really don't think there is a *need* to post to any public forum anonymously. It's very open to abuse as we've seen. For every concerned diner that posts a bad review and mentions real unsanitary conditions at a restaurant, there's likely dozens of shitposters who are posting bad reviews because they didn't get a discount or thought their waiter didn't grovel enough.

      Hell, just yesterday on Reddit there was a big post set up about some ongoing legal problem where the ongoing legitimate legal problems between a tenant and a flooring company that happened to own rental properties caused collateral damage where the poster mistakenly identified the wrong company as the property owner and The Mob took it upon themselves to brigade every review site (yelp, google reviews, etc) they could find and trash the reputation of the *wrong company*.

      This shit has to stop, and there has to start being accountability for postings online. We're seeing damage from innocent people/companies being libeled, all the way to foreign propaganda affecting elections.

      > the right to speak anonymously is part of free speech

      Where is that enshrined? I don't see that in the constitution, only the right to speech without reprisal from the government. And even that has limits, and is only in the US, whereas the Internet is a global thing.

    22. Re: Time to block them all by barc0001 · · Score: 1

      Nice goalpost movement. Hey you remember back before the Internet existed and people used to write anonymous letters to the editor that were published all the time? Me neither, because it didn't happen. There's no fundamental right to shitpost anonymously.

    23. Re: Time to block them all by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      Very good question.

  2. Yo Dawg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We hated your hate speech so we blocked your hate so you can hate, hate.

  3. WhatsApp? by bankman · · Score: 1

    I can totally see blocking Facebook and Instagram, but I don't really get WhatsApp? You could just as well block the phone network.

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    1. Re:WhatsApp? by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 3, Insightful

      People (protesters, rioters, whatever) often mobilize and coordinate using Whatsapp groups. A lot easier than email or SMS.

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    2. Re:WhatsApp? by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      WhatsApp and Instagram are both owned by Facebook. Therefore, they all get shut down. At least, that's my guess

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  4. What is hate speech and who defines it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    For example is criticizing someone's political, social, economic, or religious beliefs hate speech?

    Is bullying harrassing and insulting a person hate speech? And if so, is it hate speech simply to call them an idiot, or would you have to go as far as calling them a nazi or something equally hurtful?

    1. Re: What is hate speech and who defines it? by Nidi62 · · Score: 4, Informative

      In this particular case, a Buddhist man died so Buddhists are rioting and have burned down numerous mosques and Muslim owned shops and houses. Sri Lanka is not long removed from a pretty intense 25 year civil war between the Tamil minority and buddhist government. The Tamils are mostly Hindu, Christian, and Muslim. So Sri Lanka has a bit of a history of violence and oppression towards non-buddhists.

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    2. Re:What is hate speech and who defines it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The left defines hate speech, it's simply anything that they disagree with.

    3. Re:What is hate speech and who defines it? by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 1
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      Build a Man a Fire, and He'll Be Warm for a Day. Set a Man on Fire, and He'll Be Warm for the Rest of His Life.

    4. Re: What is hate speech and who defines it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And no one cares because virtually any country has similar history of violence. Blacks, Confederates, Sacco and Vancetti, you name it for US.

    5. Re: What is hate speech and who defines it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If even Buddhists hate you, you're probably doing something wrong.

    6. Re: What is hate speech and who defines it? by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      If even Buddhists hate you, you're probably doing something wrong.

      Or rather, people are going to be people, regardless of their religion(or lack thereof).

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    7. Re:What is hate speech and who defines it? by DickBreath · · Score: 1

      >is criticizing someone's political, social, economic, or religious beliefs hate speech?

      That would be criticism if it is a reasoned argument critical of someone's beliefs or views. Reasonable people can disagree without being hateful, using firearms, committing arson, running down people, etc.

      >Is bullying harrassing and insulting a person hate speech?

      No. That is NOT hate speech.

      That is a hate crime. (Or hateful actions if it does not rise to the level of a crime.) Hate Crime is a sentencing enhancement added on to the base crime described to act as an additional deterrent to small minded people who otherwise cannot seem to get the message that they live in a world with people who are different from themselves.

      >And if so, is it hate speech simply to call them an idiot, or would you have to go as far as calling them a nazi or something equally hurtful?

      Different people respond differently. Some people would wither and melt at the language you suggest. Others would ignore it. Some would have pity on the small minded. Others would get pitchforks and take to the streets. Example:

      I hate hate speech so much that I'm going to hatefully speak out about how much I hate the hate speech. I cannot tolerate intolerant people! I have no tolerance for intolerant people.

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    8. Re: What is hate speech and who defines it? by gopla · · Score: 1

      So Sri Lanka has a bit of a history of violence and oppression towards non-buddhists.

      I agree with the history of civil strife in Sri Lanka. However in this case it is the government ( mostly Buddhist) that is doing its best to stop spread of violence, hence the blame on Buddhists is unjustified.

    9. Re:What is hate speech and who defines it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I insult you, it's not because I "can't get the message that some people are different than me". If I call you a dumbfuck, it's for claiming dumb shit like that. {/hateaction}

      I could even go as far as claiming that I've done a public service in calling out your misinformation and encouraging you to be less dumbfucked in the future.

      >"is criticism hate speech?"
      > people can disagree without using firearms, committing arson
      Jesus. Subtle. Well, okay, I've seen worse, so technically it was, a little.

      --Different AC

    10. Re:What is hate speech and who defines it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While the right just hates everything?

    11. Re: What is hate speech and who defines it? by Nidi62 · · Score: 2

      So Sri Lanka has a bit of a history of violence and oppression towards non-buddhists.

      I agree with the history of civil strife in Sri Lanka. However in this case it is the government ( mostly Buddhist) that is doing its best to stop spread of violence, hence the blame on Buddhists is unjustified.

      The Buddhist government is from all appearances trying to protect the Muslims, so yes, they aren't to blame. But a segment of the Buddhist population is still rioting and committing violence so the blame towards those Buddhists is justified.

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    12. Re: What is hate speech and who defines it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If even Buddhists hate you, you're probably doing something wrong.

      The problem is "how do you define Buddhist?"

      In my estimation (as someone who has studied Buddhism quite a bit) in the places where Buddhism has become a full blown religion with all of the idiocy which comes with that .. it morphs into this thing in which the personal aspects of Buddhism turns into this bizarre mob mentality of "we're right, you're wrong, and therefore you're the enemy".

      What I've read of Buddhism, and what I've seen of how it works in places like Myanmar, Thailand, Sri Lanka, and other places ... I can't reconcile these things. They have the same underlying stuff, but it becomes lip service and superstition.

      To me, the incarnation of Buddhism in Sri Lanka often makes no sense whatsoever, because the Buddha pretty much said "question everything, there is no dogma" ... and it's turned into "if you don't agree with us, we hate you". Which pretty much goes against anything I've ever read on the topic. Hell, even withing Sri Lanka there are people saying this isn't Buddhism, because it isn't.

      But, then, in my opinion sooner or later all religions reduce to shit like this, because humans are idiots and everything reduces to "us vs. them".

      Violence committed in the name of Buddhism, unless it's meant to save others from harm and suffering, simply isn't Buddhism. These mobs may call themselves Buddhists, but they aren't.

    13. Re: What is hate speech and who defines it? by aberglas · · Score: 1

      Indeed, the Rohingya are currently being exterminated by the Buddhist Burmese.

    14. Re: What is hate speech and who defines it? by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

      left = right = center = authoritarian financialist

    15. Re: What is hate speech and who defines it? by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

      Wow, that's creepy as fuck.

    16. Re: What is hate speech and who defines it? by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      As you can see the ECHR is a catastrophe. It definitely doesn't protect the rights it should - e.g the right to free speech is so hedged with caveats it is essentially worthless. In addition to the cases in the document above governments are allowed to restrict free speech to

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      * interests of national security
      * territorial integrity or public safety
      * prevention of disorder or crime
      * protection of health or morals
      * protection of the reputation or the rights of others
      * preventing the disclosure of information received in confidence
      * maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary

      Meanwhile it interprets Article 8 'the right to family life' in a way which blocks deportation

      https://www.telegraph.co.uk/ne...

      So the government can't deport foreign criminals but it can imprison people who complain about foreign criminals for hate speech. I.e. the ECHR is non too subtly rigged in favour of the rights of migrants and against those of natives.

      And you need to be a signatory to the ECHR to be in the EU

      http://www.e-ir.info/2017/07/2...

      On the face of it, Brexit has no implications whatever for the UK's relationship with the Strasbourg-based European Court of Human Rights (ECtHR), the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR), or for either of these institutions themselves. Formally, by leaving the EU, the UK would merely join the existing 19 non-EU states which belong to the 47-member Council of Europe, the parent body of the ECHR and the ECtHR. However, many Brexiteers are also hostile to the ECtHR, others fail to realise that departing the EU will leave the UK's ECHR commitments intact, and hostility towards the Strasbourg institutions is not limited to those who want to leave the EU. For example, as Home Secretary before the referendum vote, Teresa May, a Remainer, advocated UK withdrawal from the ECHR (call it 'ECxit'), in spite of the fact that belonging to the Council of Europe is effectively a condition of EU membership. However, she later announced that she had changed her mind because ECxit lacked sufficient Parliamentary support.

      So May's idea of leaving the ECHR wasn't possible inside the EU. However it's probably possible outside it. And realistically it needs to be done - a British court ruling on British law is less likely to decide that foreign criminals can't be deported than a foreign court which doesn't really care about the costs to British people such a decision would impose.

      Any court needs to weigh up two distinct sets of interests in a case like that - the interest of criminals to not be sent somewhere worse (dare I say 'a shithole country') and the interest of British citizens to not have criminals in their country. The ECHR can slap the UK government over the knuckles and feel good about itself without worrying too much of the costs such a decision impose. A British court might well not see things that way - and in fact the most unpopular decisions were when the ECHR overruled British courts.

      In US terms imagine the following hypothetical. If NAFTA were like the EU - a wannabe state with citizens and courts - and a NAFTA court in Canada decided to overrule the US SCOTUS and block US deportation of a non US/non NAFTA citizen on the grounds it would impede their 'right to family life'.

      Of course no US administration would agree to anything like this.

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    17. Re: What is hate speech and who defines it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is danger or harm to others is unfortunately, to subjective to hold all actor's to a similar objective.
        .

  5. Taking care of your people by greencfg · · Score: 1

    That government, so nice of them fighting against hate speech. Sure... the first responsibility of rulers is caring for their subjects, everybody will buy that.

  6. Religion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Religion should be classified as mental illness.

    1. Re:Religion by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

      It almost is already, it's just that the DSM writers have been very careful to exclude the results of brainwashing of children.

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    2. Re:Religion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mental illness is whatever the ruling class say it is.
      Don't feel like dragging yourself to work to make your master rich, you're "depressed".
      Don't feel like conforming to the system at all, you have "schizophrenia".
      When religion was the ruling class, you'd be a "heretic" or "possessed".

      Mental health isn't as science based as you think. The perfect pharmacological would be one that makes you work like a robot, and be happy about it.

    3. Re:Religion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also being a child who hasn't been successfully assimilated into the education industrial complex yet: "ADHD".

      Nothing but jewish tricks to make you not only accept the exploitative aspects of the world,
      not only to blame yourself for aspects outside your control,
      but to sell you endless fake cures as a consumable.

    4. Re:Religion by DickBreath · · Score: 2

      Religion is the only way to bring healing to a world deeply and violently divided by religion.

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      I'll see your senator, and I'll raise you two judges.
    5. Re:Religion by DickBreath · · Score: 1

      Mental illness is an illness. That is, something which makes one unable to function. Unable to take care of themselves. Or which makes them a danger to themselves or others. Someone who would harm others by exposing them to a contrary viewpoint supported by facts and reason.

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      I'll see your senator, and I'll raise you two judges.
    6. Re:Religion by magzteel · · Score: 1

      Religion should be classified as mental illness.

      Intersectionality is the new religion

      https://www.nationalreview.com...

    7. Re:Religion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Religion should be classified as mental illness.

      Aww... Are you getting lonely at your therapy sessions? Don't worry. I'm sure your therapist can get you to stop eating poop.

    8. Re:Religion by Dread_ed · · Score: 1

      I laughed the laugh of helpless agreement, recognition, and irony at your post. Much appreciated! It reminded me of one my favorite sayings: "To have a perfect utopia all we have to do is kill all of the violent people."

      It also brought up another thought. At some point in my life I was given a functional definition of religion, and a contrasting definition of spirituality. These definitions have been very helpful for me to reconcile how humans who "recognize" a higher power can manifest that same belief on a spectrum from brutal atrocity to beatific transcendence.

      Religion: Humans attempting, through actions and thought, to make themselves acceptable to their higher power.

      Religions require constant activity by the adherent in order to appease and succor their deity. Combine with the natural human propensity toward self-righteousness and you get a whole cascade of societal problems, starting with segregation and ostracism, and ending with religious states and extremist violence. If a pious devotee is convinced their deity constantly judges them, threatens them with punishment if they are not good enough, and is vengeful and destructive to those who transgress, is it any wonder that those beliefs will manifest in the world and result in behaviors that mimic that deity?

      Spirituality: Knowing that your higher power accepts and loves you unconditionally.

      This is the ace trump of religion. It destroys the notion that God needs your help, and kills at the root the fear motivation to perform ever greater acts of piety and devotion. As a viewpoint overlaid on the myriad of data points of human experience, it provides an example for those predisposed to theism which results in acceptance of others (i.e., be godlike, your god loves and accepts you, you should love and accept others) rather than condemnation and judgement.

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    9. Re: Religion by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

      2/3 absolute truth, 1/3 idiotic racism.

    10. Re: Religion by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

      If you know any intersectionalists, please tell them I know of a lovely intersection for them to stand in. Ideally at rush hour.

    11. Re:Religion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Found the zealot.

    12. Re:Religion by DickBreath · · Score: 1

      > Spirituality: Knowing that your higher power accepts and loves you unconditionally.

      Some would put it this way. You aren't worthy of God's love. You can't do anything to make yourself worthy. It is free and unconditional. You have to believe and confess. At that point, the desire and striving for perfection should not be confused with trying to make oneself worthy of God's attention. No matter how hard you try to impress God, he's probably not easy to impress.

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      I'll see your senator, and I'll raise you two judges.
  7. The benefits of diversity! by Hal_Porter · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You've got an excuse to shut down social media because people post 'hate speech' on it, aka complaining about the bad effects of diversity.

    See also Singapore, China etc. And it's coming to Europe too. After Merkel decided to let in anyone who arrived, Germany started to have a problem with racism - aka the natives bitching about the bad behaviour of the new arrivals.

    The solution was to threaten social media companies with massive fines unless they remove 'hate speech' within 24 hours

    https://www.economist.com/news...

    "WHAT the hell is wrong with this country?" fumed Beatrix von Storch to her 30,000 Twitter followers on December 31st: "Why is the official police page in NRW [North Rhine-Westphalia] tweeting in Arabic?" The MP for the hard-right Alternative for Germany (AfD) party detected in the force's multilingual new-year greeting a bid "to appease the barbaric, Muslim, rapist hordes of men". The next day her tweet--and, for 12 hours, her entire account--vanished from Twitter. In the subsequent political storm Alice Weidel, co-leader of the AfD, came to Ms von Storch's defence: "Our authorities are subordinating themselves to imported, rampaging, groping, punching, stabbing migrant mobs," she tweeted. That, too, was promptly deleted.

    Germany's memories of the Gestapo and the Stasi undergird its commitment to free speech. "There shall be no censorship," decrees the constitution. Even marches by Pegida, an Islamophobic and anti-immigrant movement founded in 2014, receive police protection. But the country of Kristallnacht and the Holocaust also takes a punitive attitude to what it deems "hate speech". Inciting hatred can carry a prison sentence of up to five years, Hitler's "Mein Kampf" is available only in annotated form, and it is illegal to single out any part of the population for insult or other abuse that could "breach the peace". Irmela Mensah-Schramm, a Berlin pensioner who spray-paints over swastikas and other racist graffiti, is a national hero.

    Reconciling these two convictions--for free speech and against hate speech--is becoming harder, particularly since Angela Merkel's refugee gambit in 2015. Opening Germany's borders to some 1.2m mostly Muslim migrants has fuelled the rise of nativist outfits like the AfD and Pegida. Racist propaganda and sensationalist reports (some, though not all, fake) of criminal and rapist immigrants have rippled across social media. In 2016, for example, the number of criminal investigations into online hate speech in Berlin rose by 50%. A number of the newcomers from the Middle East and Africa are anti-Semitic. Confronting such ills without encroaching too much on freedom of expression is tricky.

    The most prominent example of the balancing act is the new Net Enforcement Law (NetzDG), of which Ms von Storch's and Ms Weidel's tweets were early victims. Inspired by the rise of fake news and a report suggesting that only a minority of illegal posts on social media were being removed within a day (and just 1% or so on Twitter), the law cleared the Bundestag last June and came into force on January 1st. It sets out 20 things defining a comment as "clearly illegal", such as incitement to hatred or showing the swastika. Once posts are flagged by users, a social-media firm has 24 hours--extended to a week in complex cases--to check and remove those that contravene the rules, or face a €50m ($60m) fine. In the first week, Facebook's over 1,000 German moderators have had to process hundreds of thousands of cases.

    Overwhelmed by the volume and wary of incurring such huge fines, social-media firms are erring on the side of censorship. On January 2nd Titanic, a satirical magazine, joked that Ms von Storch would be its new guest tweeter. Two of the subsequent tweets mocking the AfD politician were censored. When Titanic republished them, its account was suspended for two d

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    1. Re:The benefits of diversity! by Kiuas · · Score: 4, Informative

      After Merkel decided to let in anyone who arrived, Germany started to have a problem with racism - aka the natives bitching about the bad behaviour of the new arrivals.

      If you think this situation started with the refugee crisis, think again. Germany has had such laws in the books long before the current refugee crisis, up to the point that using nazi-symbolism is punishable by law, as is denying the holocaust. These laws prohibiting 'incitement of violence' or hatred against ethnic grouops have been on the books for decades, the recent law regarding social media is just the latest development. Even prior to the passage of the law, someone posting hate speech online could be fined in Germany and elsewhere, the only thing that the law changed was make it possible for the platforms to be fined for failing to remove such content.

      Now granted, the recent influx of refugees has made the situation a lot more heated, but the general point is that Germany has been using censorship and hate-speech laws to control the (mostly) far-right groups in the country long before the last couple of years.

      Note that this is not to say I agree with their laws, I think they're hastily implemented and essentially make the problem worse, not better. But the general point is that this sort of attitude within Germany (as well as other European countries) is not something they just recently came up with. The 2nd world war left its mark on the law(s) in many places, including here in Finland, Austria, Ireland and the UK.

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    2. Re:The benefits of diversity! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You miss the point where those laws were not enforced because they weren't necessary. The minute immigration was kicked into full swing awoke the sheep. The same thing is happening in many countries where immigration far outweighs the social impact. Canada for example, especially around heavily populated areas like the GTA (Toronto) and GVRD (Vancouver), have serious immigration problems. _None_ of the violence is covered by the local media neither is the land grabs. There are entire cities where you'd be hard pressed to find a white Caucasian.

      White folk are being driven out of everywhere and our severely alt-left media like the CBC aren't making things much better. They are anti-white, anti-male, anti-Trump and publicly funded propaganda machines.

    3. Re:The benefits of diversity! by Kiuas · · Score: 3, Informative

      You miss the point where those laws were not enforced because they weren't necessary.

      This is simply not true. There have been hate speech convictions in Germany and elsewhere prior to the current refugee crisis. A Finnish far-right politician whose only talking point throughout the years has been opposing immigration got sentenced to fines for calling all muslims pedophiles way back in 2012. Here's a story of a drunk neo-Nazi being fined for doing the Hitler salute in 2011. Etc, you can find many more examples using google.

      Again, do I agree with these laws? No. Do I agree with the far-right? No, but saying that these laws have never been used before is simply not true.

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    4. Re:The benefits of diversity! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They don't post about the bad effects of diversity, they post about destroying the enemy. Then they go and destroy the enemy, who is often their neighbor. The people responsible for the communities think that's bad. But this is what you really want to do, right? Global media and cultural differences do cause confusion, granted.

    5. Re:The benefits of diversity! by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      I think most people could live with the restriction that you can't incite imminent lawless action . However that's not what is happening. If you post "Kill all whites/men!" on social media nothing will happen to you. However if you complain about immigrants raping the natives like Storch and Weidel did you'll get silenced.

      And the authorities don't seem at all concerned when AntiFa incite mobs online to attack people complaining about immigration. AntiFa act like the brownshirts of the establishment to silence views the establishment doesn't like.

      And frankly if you trust an establishment with the power of censorship to only suppress speech which incites imminent lawless action you're a fool - they'll inevitably abuse that power to suppress criticism of their policies.

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    6. Re:The benefits of diversity! by dabadab · · Score: 1

      "to appease the barbaric, Muslim, rapist hordes of men"

      Care to elaborate on how it is NOT hate speech?

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    7. Re:The benefits of diversity! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "After Merkel decided to let in anyone who arrived, Germany started to have a problem with racism"
      Is this the first time Germany has had a problem with racism?

    8. Re:The benefits of diversity! by Hal_Porter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Care to elaborate why it should be banned?

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    9. Re:The benefits of diversity! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they'll inevitably abuse that power to suppress criticism of their policies.

      And in many of these countries in question they do that everyday, unfortunately. Once again, cultural differences and blindness to the consequences. If we let the values of Enlightenment to fade, we end up in the same place. We burned lots of Europe as we tried to grow up as people. Maybe these countries wouldn't have to go through that, but woke up and created their models of responsible and empowered citizens? I have some doubts about that, though.

    10. Re:The benefits of diversity! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The situation is not comparable to before the crisis because these new laws go so far above and beyond.

      Previously you would only get censored for stuff that was actually illegal and you could challenge said censorship in court. With the new laws they have outsourced censorship to private companies who are not accountable for their actions. In fact these new laws are so vague and carry such high penalties that companies would rather censor anything the German government might possibly object to just to be safe. Plus, Facebook loves biased censorship. They use far-left NGOs as consultants and hire people who explicitely censor stuff that might benefit "the wrong" parties.

      It's not like something we've had before because the scope got so much bigger and there is zero accountability.

    11. Re:The benefits of diversity! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, but saying that these laws have never been used before is simply not true.

      I never said that. What I said was:

      .. those laws were not enforced because they weren't necessary. The minute immigration was kicked into full swing awoke the sheep.

    12. Re:The benefits of diversity! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck off Ivan

    13. Re: The benefits of diversity! by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

      You either have freedom of speech, or you don't. Germany does not.

    14. Re:The benefits of diversity! by dabadab · · Score: 1

      No.

      I was not the one to come out in the defense of banning hate speech so I really don't see any reason why I should be defending it.

      However it was you who put apostrophes around hate speech.

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    15. Re:The benefits of diversity! by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Hate speech is very much subjective though - people who want hate speech against Muslims banned seem pretty quick to express hate against other groups - whites, men, conservatives, Christians and so on.

      What they want is to censor hate by their political opponents but not hate by people they see as allies. It's an example of Salami Tactics

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      The term salami tactics (Hungarian: szalámitaktika) was coined in the late 1940s by the orthodox communist leader Mátyás Rákosi to describe the actions of the Hungarian Communist Party. Rákosi claimed he destroyed the non-Communist parties by "cutting them off like slices of salami." By portraying his opponents as fascists (or at the very least fascist sympathizers), he was able to get the opposition to slice off its right wing, then its centrists, then the more courageous left wingers, until only those fellow travelers willing to collaborate with the Communists remained in power.

      I.e. it's only ever applied to the right and the left keeps adding new examples of hate speech that need to be purged. And those examples are things that occur more on the right than the left. E.g. the current purge of people like Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro who dissent from modern dogma on transsexuals under the newly invented category of transphobia, or Sam Harris for islamophobia.

      Of course sometimes people like Farrakhan are guilty of hate not only against approved groups like whites but unapproved ones like Jews. And then that is simply ignored.

      I.e. the whole notion is wholly disingenuous and arbitrary. It only really makes sense if you buy into the left wing ideology of intersectionality. In intersectionality sexism/racism are defined as 'power plus prejudice'. So they're only bad when they are directed from a 'privileged' group to an 'unprivileged' one. Which is why Farrakhan gets a pass for hating whites. No one bothers to explain why he gets a pass for hating Jews. Same with Linda Sarsour. Both of them are welcome on the left despite hate that is still hate under the 'power plus prejudice' definition which is obviously defined to include most hateful right wing statements and exclude most hateful left wing ones.

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    16. Re:The benefits of diversity! by dabadab · · Score: 1

      Okay and this is ENTIRELY besides the point.

      I did not ask in general - I have asked in a very specific case.

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    17. Re:The benefits of diversity! by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      People on both the left and right say hateful things but I'm not going to go along with a left wing plan to ban only the right wing hate as 'hate speech'.

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  8. Oh no! by helpfulcorn · · Score: 1

    Where's Arthur C Clarke's ghost going to post his sexy scuba selfies now?!

    1. Re:Oh no! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True! he lived in Sri-lanka...

  9. I hate speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Speeching is filthy and should be banned.

    1. Re:I hate speech by DickBreath · · Score: 1

      I hate hate speech and will hatefully speak out against those who speak hatefully.

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    2. Re: I hate speech by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

      You sound like an excellent candidate for censorship!

  10. Temporary block by gopla · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is a common practice in this part of the world. A temporary blockage of social media for 1-2 days, usually restricted to just a district or a city is common in India.

    It is employed when the law enforcing agencies are caught unaware about some sudden flashpoint that triggers street violence. This blockage stops spreading of violence to larger area and give time to enforcement agencies to mobilize their resources

    It is not to be confused with censorship or blanket ban of internet / social media forever. Over all it has a positive impact in preventing larger scale destruction of life and properties for cost of inconvenience of few days.

    1. Re:Temporary block by scourfish · · Score: 1

      Temporary blocks are still censorship and still morally wrong.

    2. Re:Temporary block by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... still censorship ...

      I guess that makes all those SJWs morally correct when they demand rape of 'that bitch' or murder of his daughter?

      Yes, the government could register everyone as a medical doctor then imprison those who cause injury and death. Think of all the good that comes from people being involved in healthcare. What, you want injury and death to be prevented first? Sometimes, speech has to be treated the same way. Yes, it is a slippery slope. No, that is not an excuse for avoiding it, that is a reason for ensuring the government is always accountable to the people. (I said "people", not "voters".)

      The short answer is, this is picking a side: In this case, the government is choosing "business as usual" over violent, loud-mouthed wannabes.

    3. Re:Temporary block by DickBreath · · Score: 1

      What I want to know. Why, oh why couldn't they block friggin' Twitter? That is a source of hate speech. Right from the orange puckered mouth himself.

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    4. Re:Temporary block by DickBreath · · Score: 1

      Censorship is when a point of view is suppressed. Hate is not a point of view.

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    5. Re:Temporary block by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Meh. At least they silence everyone.

    6. Re:Temporary block by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the orange puckered mouth himself.

      So what you are saying is you see color, and you like to toss out color and anatomically based insults. Under your (the left's) own rules of what is hate speech, you are guilty. The punishment under your (the left's) own rules is ...what?

      >> Kill the NRA
      >> Kill Nazis
      >> Hunt republicans
      >> Kill Christians
      >> Kill cops
      >> Kill white people
      >> etc

      Ah yes, to be killed.

      If you (the left) is able to fully take over, in due time the more extreme members of your own side will come for YOU. You are on a suicide course, and to that end I say stop waiting for that day and do it yourself right now. Shit or get off the pot.

    7. Re: Temporary block by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

      Lick those boots!

    8. Re: Temporary block by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

      Oh my brother, how right you are.

      Alas it seems those who advocate for tyranny are almost never people who have studied the history of previous tyrannies. Let's just say, Beria did not die peacefully in his sleep.

    9. Re:Temporary block by scourfish · · Score: 1

      Hating something or someone is an opinion. I would consider that enough criteria to be a point of view.

    10. Re:Temporary block by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Temporary blocks are still censorship and still morally wrong.

      Like not showing children graphic violence and pornography is morally wrong....

  11. "hate speech" - term used by deliberately ignorant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Education is the ability to listen to almost anything without losing your temper or your self-confidence. - Robert Frost

    So people who want to "noplatform" things they term "hate speech" are deliberately being immature, uneducated, ignorant, insecure hot-heads?

    Sounds right.

  12. Tor by MiliusXP · · Score: 1

    Can they still use tor ?

    1. Re:Tor by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Even if they could only a small minority of people will use Tor. That's the lesson of China unfortunately - you don't need to block unapproved opinions completely. You just need to make them hard to get to and at the same time run a campaign in the media you control to say foreign sites are spreading porn and degeneracy and that visiting them is unpatriotic.

      The western version of this is when the mainstream sites started to call gab.ai, voat and minds.com 'Alt Right', 'fake news' and/or 'Russian propaganda'

      Also of course Google/Apple pulled the gab app from their app stores. At that point you could still get an apk file and install it at least on Android, but not many people did. So gab.ai weren't able to have much effect on the narrative that the mainstream sites were pushing.

      I.e. censorship doesn't need to be completely bulletproof to have an effect - you just need to make it hard to see alternative sites and easy to see the non alternative ones. And then have the non alternative ones libel the shit out of the alternatives. And then you've got control of the narrative.

      At that point most people will decide to stick with the non alternative sites. This will work so long as the non alternative sites will all collude in the libelling either because they're forced by government fiat (China) or because they're ideological echo chambers that have already purged dissenters internally (the US) and can thus act in a unified way against the alternative sites the dissenters have fled to.

      Funny thing is when China started to try it all the tech giant CEOs said it wouldn't work. Now they see it does they're doing it themselves, and no doubt patting themselves on the back for stopping Alt Right Russian fake news trolls.

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  13. works every time by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    Yup. That works every time. How long until the next civil war?

  14. Sure it is by argStyopa · · Score: 2

    Hmm, a government faced with civil disturbances decides to block social media "to curb hate speech"?

    Right.

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    1. Re:Sure it is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Since these civil disturbances have led to people being killed: Yes, there is hate speech to curb, and yes these measures at least help.

      At least it is better than the 'lala-can't-hear-you' policy that the government used in the past.

  15. State of emergency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is part of a state of emergency imposed after violence broke out between Buddhists and Muslims.

    I've been to Sri Lanka quite a lot in the 1990's (I had friends there), when the war was still raging in the north and east, and then the government responded to bombings and other emergencies by declaring a state of emergency and imposing curfews. They basically shut down large parts of society to let things cool down, including transport. It once happened just when I was about to leave the country. Public transport suddenly didn't exist anymore, taxi drivers didn't want to take long distance rides because they were afraid to get stranded somewhere, and only with the aid of a police officer from my friends' neighbourhood were we able to arrange transport for me to the airport. It was spooky, there was no other traffic at all and an astounding number of roadblocks had materialized out of nowhere.

    While the Sri Lankans I met generally were incredibly nice people the country does have a history of overheated reactions that result in burned properties and deaths, and that appears to be happening again now. The government responded in the way they tend to respond, and nowadays that apparently includes shutting down social media. The state of emergency is declared for 10 days, so that should be the duration of the social media shutdown too.

  16. They say Christians are haters ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is the *Christians* who are supposed to be the one spreading all kinds of HATE SPEECH, right ?

    What happened?

    Where are those *Hateful Christians* ??

    1. Re: They say Christians are haters ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Whitehouse.gov

    2. Re:They say Christians are haters ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Where are those *Hateful Christians* ??

      In my home town being racists.

      20 Christian churches in a town of 9000 (I looked it up, might be more that aren't listed online). I sometimes wonder if some people have to go to multiple churches in order for pews to be filled.

    3. Re:They say Christians are haters ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Pretty much everywhere... and you make one more.

  17. Religion of Peace ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > ... Religion should be classified as mental illness ...

    How can you classify religion as mental illness when we have the Religion of Peace ??

    1. Re: Religion of Peace ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And Religion of Reason, with its prophet Newton. They seriously worship it in Latin Americas lodges.

  18. soon hateful thoughts will be forbidden by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Scary! Maybe hating thyself will be banned...would that make the world better? How about locking someone up for hate...hmm? What about just excising them from society to prevent their hateful thoughts?

    Do you think suppression of a people is worse in the long run than allowing it to surface in a less explosive manner? Rhetorical question I hope.

  19. Fine by me ... by Qbertino · · Score: 1

    ... as long as they don't block IRC and blogs and RSS.

    The reason is appalling though, IMHO.

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  20. No hate in Kandy land! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone caught hating shall be ejected by the Oompa-Loompas!

  21. Unless VPNs are blocked by xenobyte · · Score: 1

    ...it's useless.

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  22. NO CENSORSHIP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When your government and/or corporations start to control your speech, you live in a tyranny.

    Shut those entities down.

    I'm not suggesting anything, but they are incapable of controlling you if there facilities had all their communications cut and jammed.

  23. Censorship is evil, period by bradley13 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When talking about elections, Stalin reputedly said: "It's not who votes that counts; it's who counts the votes". Whenever one of these "hate speech" articles come up, I think of something similar: It's not the hate speech that matters; it's who gets to define what hate speech is.

    I live in Europe, where the equivalent to the American 1st Amendment is ridiculously watered down. The European equivalent says: "Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers. ... The exercise of these freedoms ... may be subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national security, territorial integrity or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for the protection of the reputation or rights of others, for..." and the list of exceptions continues...

    Which means: Just like in Sri Lanka, European governments can restrict your speech based on the ruling elite's ideas of necessity, safety and morals. Which basically means that they can restrict any damned thing they please.

    Censorship is evil. Speech may be uncomfortable, it may be offensive, but there are very, very few situations where it should be restricted.

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    1. Re:Censorship is evil, period by unixcorn · · Score: 1

      In both places you mention, firearms ownership is curbed or heavily regulated by the government. Your government is not "by the people, for the people" because you have no way to enforce your will. In the case of Sri Lanka, folks have no choice but to accept this assault on their basic human right of free speech because they are helpless to do anything. I fear the same will happen in the US as we head down the slippery slope of firearm "regulation"

    2. Re:Censorship is evil, period by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With power comes responsibility. Sri Lanka is quite different culturally from the US. They have had their share of civil wars including genocide as of 2013/2014. Not saying you specifically are but it's kind of amusing anti-gun nuts like to use these as examples though.

      Pre the current mass immigration, the chances of a foreign government overthrowing either the US or Canadian governments was fairly low. What you have now though are power vacuums in waiting. That is exactly the scenario an armed populous was intended to prevent.

    3. Re: Censorship is evil, period by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

      Dunce. NO ONE outside the ruling class supported the manifestly unpatriotic "Patriot Act". Civil liberties advocates, including gun rights advocates, least of all.

      That a universally recognized badlaw easily passed in the legislature - and to this day continues to oppress the people - is but evidence of the rot of our democracy and the decline of the republic.

    4. Re:Censorship is evil, period by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice straw man.

      They aren't censoring certain speech on social media, the are stopping ALL social media.

      But, don't let facts get in the way of your narrative.

  24. Hate speech or Propaganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Me thinks they want to rid their country of propaganda.

  25. Paradise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So when can I move in? I miss being able to make funny faces behind digital camera photos, knowing that it's just going to rot in a locally owned hard drive. Now, the magic square shows up and people don't even bother looking at their privacy settings. The Australian aborigines are right; it does steal your soul.

  26. WHERE have I seen this before...oh, on Slashdot by civilwaradvocate · · Score: 1

    When a dangerous topic comes up, yank the plug for a few days and hope it defuses itself.

    That's what happened when the news of the Google anti-right-wing censorship rampage broke.

  27. Turkish minority problem before refugee crisis by Koreantoast · · Score: 1

    If you think this situation started with the refugee crisis, think again.

    Completely agree. I'd also add that Germany has had a long existing Turkish minority in the country which has created tensions for a while. In fact, before the refugee crisis, Chancellor Merkel had a speech in which she declared failure in Germany's efforts at multiculturalism and integrating its minorities. Mind you, we should also remember the German context in that it imported Turkish workers and effectively ghettoized them, making only token efforts to integrate them in hopes they'd go back home when no longer needed. Instead, three generations later, Germany is waking up to the fact that maybe they should have been more proactive in bringing them into the fold. This tension was already there, and the refugee crisis simply blew it up even further.