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Snap Is Laying Off Around 100 Engineers

An anonymous reader quotes a report from CNBC: Snap is laying off about 100 engineers -- nearly 10 percent of the team -- CNBC has learned. The company has seen smaller rounds of layoffs in recent months in its marketing, recruiting and content divisions. These layoffs would be Snap's largest yet and the first to hit the company's engineers. The company last month rolled out the redesign of its pioneering photo messaging app. The redesign separated publisher content from content posted by friends and connections. Snap reported roughly 3,000 employees as of the December quarter and said in its first annual filing that it expected "headcount growth to continue for the foreseeable future."

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  1. Isn't that the company with the messaging app? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How the fuck did they ever have 100 engineers in the first place? Not to belittle their efforts, but you'd think that even the awesomest, most futuristic, most complicated messaging app in the history of civilization would have about .. three engineers, maybe?

    How complicated can it be?

    1. Re: Isn't that the company with the messaging app? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wondering the same thing.

    2. Re:Isn't that the company with the messaging app? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      How the fuck did they ever have 100 engineers in the first place?

      According to TFS, that was only 10%, so they had a thousand engineers.

      How complicated can it be?

      Indeed. I am always amazed when I learn the headcount of these businesses built around an app that looks like it was slapped together in a few hours.

      Maybe that bloated headcount has something to do with their financial troubles.

    3. Re:Isn't that the company with the messaging app? by hawguy · · Score: 2

      How the fuck did they ever have 100 engineers in the first place? Not to belittle their efforts, but you'd think that even the awesomest, most futuristic, most complicated messaging app in the history of civilization would have about .. three engineers, maybe?

      How complicated can it be?

      It turns out that even simple things are complicated when you drill down to all of the details.

      When someone asks a question like this, I like to point to the Slack decision flow to decide whether or not to show a notification. Seems simple on the surface, right? If the user is in the channel and they get a message then notify. But in reality it's considerably more complicated:

      https://twitter.com/mathowie/s...

      Now multiply this across every feature and it turns out that even a simple chat app is complicated. Throw in build engineers, QA, SRE's,24x7 monitoring, etc and it's easy to get to 100 engineers.

    4. Re:Isn't that the company with the messaging app? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      You think that's bad, look at google. Their product is just a form with a single field.

    5. Re:Isn't that the company with the messaging app? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The app probably does a *shit load* more in the background than everyone realizes. Tracking and telemetry, and the associated server infrastructure would require a fairly large team, but not 1000. The rest are probably working on algorithms (and systems) to monetize the shit out of the data set they have amassed. The fruits of that labor are sold on to advertisers (and god-knows who else) in private deals so the public (us) never see the output.

    6. Re:Isn't that the company with the messaging app? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And they don't even need those three "engineers", just three "programmers".

      There's no such thing as a "software engineer".

    7. Re:Isn't that the company with the messaging app? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who names a productivity software, "Slack"

    8. Re:Isn't that the company with the messaging app? by hawguy · · Score: 3, Funny

      Who names a productivity software, "Slack"

      If you've seen the inane conversations that go on in a typical company's slack channels, you'd know that it's an appropriate name

    9. Re:Isn't that the company with the messaging app? by dj245 · · Score: 1

      It turns out that even simple things are complicated when you drill down to all of the details.

      When someone asks a question like this, I like to point to the Slack decision flow to decide whether or not to show a notification. Seems simple on the surface, right? If the user is in the channel and they get a message then notify. But in reality it's considerably more complicated:

      https://twitter.com/mathowie/s...

      Now multiply this across every feature and it turns out that even a simple chat app is complicated. Throw in build engineers, QA, SRE's,24x7 monitoring, etc and it's easy to get to 100 engineers.

      That is an absolutely ridiculous chart. The user can customize their experience so finely that it seems impossible to get the desired result. Per-device preferences, per-channel preferences, both with different levels of settings and actions. DND and DND overrides, user presence online or not, subscribed to thread messages, etc.

      I'm not a user of Slack but if that's how the app handles notifications, I shudder to think about how one could possibly understand how to use the software effectively.

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    10. Re:Isn't that the company with the messaging app? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      no, that's just the carrot they use to attract their product

    11. Re:Isn't that the company with the messaging app? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a worshiper of Bob

    12. Re:Isn't that the company with the messaging app? by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      You think that's bad, look at google. Their product is just a form with a single field.

      Ba dum ching!

    13. Re:Isn't that the company with the messaging app? by hawguy · · Score: 1

      I'm not a user of Slack but if that's how the app handles notifications, I shudder to think about how one could possibly understand how to use the software effectively.

      You don't have to use all of the options - just use the ones you need.

    14. Re:Isn't that the company with the messaging app? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There were only a few people, if that, who wrote the software on the AGC that landed the LEM on the moon. The space shuttle had around 250 people.

    15. Re:Isn't that the company with the messaging app? by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Exactly my question....

      "Snap reported roughly 3,000 employees as of the December quarter"

      What in the world could they be doing to need 3,000 people?? WTF?

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    16. Re:Isn't that the company with the messaging app? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's actually because a Kardashian said she almost never opens the app anymore.

      https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/22/17040332/snap-stock-price-kylie-jenner-tweet-snapchat-1-billion-market-loss

      Yes. I know. Ridiculous. FML.

    17. Re: Isn't that the company with the messaging app? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Iâ(TM)m sure sheâ(TM)s perfectly nice, but so are a lot of people. I cannot get my head around why anyone gives a ratâ(TM)s arse what that family say or do.

    18. Re:Isn't that the company with the messaging app? by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 0

      Their product is just a form with a single field.

      No, you are their product . . . which they track and sell collected data . . .

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    19. Re: Isn't that the company with the messaging app? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "How the fuck did they ever have 100 engineers in the first place? "
      Wrong sentiment, the thing that always boggles my mind is: WTF only 100
      Like How is that news compared to a car company laying off thousands? someday we are going see headlines like "CompanyX laying off 3 employees " and it is going to be news because it was 50 % of the company.

    20. Re: Isn't that the company with the messaging app? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chat has not evolved much since the days of IRC.

    21. Re:Isn't that the company with the messaging app? by iampiti · · Score: 1

      Invent ways to fuck up the UI :)

    22. Re:Isn't that the company with the messaging app? by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      I currently work for a major healthcare billing company. My team builds some very complex, enterprise-grade apps with a lot of bells and whistles. Our team has about 10 people on it, and there's roughly another dozen in a related group that does some of the software deployment and tooling.

      I have no idea what we'd do with 100 engineers or employees, much less 3,000. That's almost 100 times the size of our entire combined team (although that's not counting all the people in other departments like sales, HR, research, etc).

      How the hell could a craptastic piece of shit like Snapchat suck up 3,000 people? It's mind-boggling.

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    23. Re:Isn't that the company with the messaging app? by drsquare · · Score: 1

      If Snapchat is so complicated how come Facebook can copy everything they do in like five minutes?

  2. What do they do?! by h4ck7h3p14n37 · · Score: 1

    I know it's a silly question, but what are those 3,000 employees doing?

    Why would you need more than like six people to build the Snapchat app?

    1. Re:What do they do?! by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      6 people to implement. 2994 people to figure out how to monetize your fake business model.

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    2. Re:What do they do?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The app is just the datacow-facing interface. There is also the web-scale database that manages all the photos, filter teams to find new algoriths for making datacows look like princesses, datamining teams working to monetize data and give it to various governments, etc.

    3. Re:What do they do?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I take your point, but I still wonder about OP's question. Each of those things you listed is just another 6 person team, at most. Even with your whole list, I don't see how they need a hundred engineers, much less a thousand.

  3. Declining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No other way to put it. Totally losing spare change. No revenue to pay employees with. Next step bankruptcy protection.

  4. SNAP has Engineers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They need engineers for that?

    A few co-ops and a run-of-the mill programmer could do it.

    Oh, you mean "software engineers", code-monkeys, simple programmers then.

    Then again, the guy who changes the TP in the building is the "maintenance engineer".

    1. Re: SNAP has Engineers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have obvioualy made many impressive looking mobile apps with similar functionality. I respect your opinion on this matter.

    2. Re: SNAP has Engineers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I make the CPUs that go in the servers that power those little java crapplets that people use. And NO I don't work for INTC, or AMD, but do make CPUs that are not vulnerable to Spectre and/or Meltdown.

      Some of us real engineers go down a wee bit further than just java crapplets.

      How many instruction decoders have you designed?

      How many clock domains does your DMA arbiter support?

      I'll wait while you finish your learn java in 24 hrs course, and call yourself a "software engineer".

    3. Re: SNAP has Engineers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Calm down, nerd boy.

  5. No they're not. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    They are laying off programmers. Snap doesn't have any engineers.

    1. Re:No they're not. by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 3, Funny

      They are laying off programmers. Snap doesn't have any engineers.

      You must be from Oregon.

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    2. Re:No they're not. by drsquare · · Score: 1

      Or Germany.

  6. I'm a boring parent, which one is Snap, again? by shess · · Score: 1

    I'm guessing it's something about roasting people, as in "Aw, Snap"? Or is it iot fasteners for your pants?

    1. Re:I'm a boring parent, which one is Snap, again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    2. Re:I'm a boring parent, which one is Snap, again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Specifically, it's the sound that my balls make when slapping against your mom's chin.

    3. Re:I'm a boring parent, which one is Snap, again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's the one where teenaged girls send naked pictures of themselves to random people on the internet, and get sent pictures of dicks from men of all ages.

  7. awweeeee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    SNAP!!!

  8. Oh I know I know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  9. 3000? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    3000? Seriously?! What are they doing - are they having all the wires, and mistresses, and dogs and cats of their employees also employed?

    An application like snap hardly needs 30 people. There is a 10000% overhead in this operation.

  10. O'NO SHE DIDEN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Snap! Girl!

    Milanea is sleeping where now?

  11. Excellent !! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I interviewed with them last year, what a bunch of condescending pricks they were ! Serves them right, good riddance !

    1. Re: Excellent !! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They wanted me to relocate shortly before they went IPO. It was pretty clear to me that they were trying to hire anybody that was willing to work in their offices, a bit like Twitter when they got $1B of cash to burn around 2012. No, thank you.

  12. Whatever by nashv · · Score: 1

    Why is a useless company making a useless app laying off people Slashdot news ? Yesterday, toddlers at our local kindergarten decided to no longer scribble on drawing paper. This news makes exactly the same amount of difference to the world.

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    1. Re:Whatever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FUCK, that's a tragedy.

      Who let this happen?

      I want answers.

      My toddlers want answers.

      This is not good enough.

    2. Re:Whatever by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      The subtle news in this article is social media is struggling because it's marketing model, just delivers diluted marketing that sells nothing. When their claims of results are checked for actual sales, that means Google and Facebook, their real customers the advertisers are finding they are shit. Soon the demand will go to Google for full time banners, else they can go fuck themselves with the diluted advertising model that sells nothing except fucking paying for ads, adwords. Proof in the last US election, Google in the most democratically corrupt fashion imaginable was in the tank for Clinton and lost big time, seeing as all the other major companies, main stream media companies, the deep state and shadow government as well as in an extremely corrupt fashion the White House and it's crew of blackgaurds http://www.dictionary.com/brow... (heh, heh), that loss was proof positive of their lack of ability to actually sell anything, except of course themselves and the scam of targeted adwords.

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  13. Redesign by blackfeltfedora · · Score: 1

    I hope that anyone involved in that GUI redesign was let go, it was absolutely terrible.

    1. Re:Redesign by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What? You're a Snap Chat user? Do your parents know you hang around this unsavoury /. ?

    2. Re:Redesign by aicrules · · Score: 1

      It was a change. Many people whined like babies when it happened. I am on the beta and while it was initially a shock, I'm not a moron who can't adapt. The change to separate friend content from publisher content was an excellent idea. This was similar to the backlack against Facebook when they launched Timeline. People don't like having to relearn something they already know. Whine whine whine

  14. Layoffs? by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    Oh snap!

  15. Re: Isn't that the company with the messaging app by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh, so now an apostrophe is too much for the modern mobile web experience? Slashdot, pick up some of those engineers stat!

  16. Please add this definition to Merriam-Webster: by LordHighExecutioner · · Score: 1

    to snap (verb):snapped, snapping. Intransitive verb. To instantly layoff a large number of technician without any reason.

  17. About time by The123king · · Score: 1

    Mayb3e they realised that people don't want to buy their stupid glasses. If people didn't want Google Glass (which was relatively stylish), who wants a pair of snapchat spectacles that make you look like a right berk

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  18. How would you orchestrate 1000 developers on this? by LostMyBeaver · · Score: 1

    To be honest, I haven't really used snap, but from what I understand it's a chat program that allows you to send photographs of your genitals to people with a hope they will be deleted before they can share them everywhere.

    Let's assume you're going to build a messaging back end for that. Companies able to handle real-time data processing for 100,000+ MMORPG players which is somewhat more complex in nature do this all the time. If you also consider that using something like an XMPP back-end would save a lot of work since there are some great hardened ones out there already. The fact is, it's really about the front end and code for data collection.

    So that means, they have 1000 developers mostly working on making code for a front end. Opera Software never had half that many people and accomplished substantially more.. having written more or less everything but the operating system itself. Of course, I suppose that's the different between using educated engineers and using whatever you could hire to make your corporate growth look impressive.

  19. Programmers are not engineers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do you have to be certified by the state to be allowed to work and are criminally liable for faulty programs? NO? Then you are not an engineer.

    1. Re:Programmers are not engineers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So civil engineers are the only engineers in the US?

      I'ma call bullshit on that one.

  20. certification is irrelevant to engineering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Imagine it's 10,000BC and/or you live on a remote Pacific island or Mars. There is no government. Yet, you have things you need to design and build. Under such circumstances, is it possible for someone to be an engineer?

    If you say no, it sounds silly. "No, your bridge wasn't engineered, because we never established a government to hold you criminally liable if it fails."

    If yes, then you're saying that professions exist of government policies. Government regulates them, but isn't a necessarily component in creating them.

    (Alternative: In 1740 a man is wounded in war and a surgeon amputates his arm. No wait, he's not a "surgeon" because he never went to AMA-blessed medical school?!)

  21. Snap is crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone looking at the fundamentals of this company should be able to see that it's barely a company and is doomed to failure. And yet Millennials spent tons of money on the worthless stock.

  22. Re:How would you orchestrate 1000 developers on th by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Snatchchat