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What Airbnb Did To New York City (citylab.com)

An anonymous reader shares a report: There are two kinds of horror stories about Airbnb. When the home-sharing platform first appeared, the initial cautionary tales tended to emphasize extreme guest (and occasionally host) misbehavior. But as the now decade-old service matured and the number of rental properties proliferated dramatically, a second genre emerged, one that focused on what the service was doing to the larger community: Airbnb was raising rents and taking housing off the rental market. It was supercharging gentrification while discriminating against guests and hosts of color. And as commercial operators took over, it was transforming from a way to help homeowners occasionally rent out an extra room into a purveyor of creepy, makeshift hotels.

Several studies have looked into these claims; some focused on just one issue at a time, or measured Airbnb-linked trends across wide swaths of the country. But a recent report by David Wachsmuth, a professor of Urban Planning at McGill University, zeroes in on New York City in an effort to answer the question of exactly what home sharing is doing to the city. [...] Their conclusion: Most of those rumors are true. Wachsmuth found reason to believe that Airbnb has indeed raised rents, removed housing from the rental market, and fueled gentrification -- at least in New York City. "

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  1. Fix it with some careful regulation by mysidia · · Score: 4, Interesting

    transforming from a way to help homeowners occasionally rent out an extra room into a purveyor of creepy, makeshift hotels.

    How about this: create a law that Limits the number of housing units AND number of days rented out per year which any 1 person or business is allowed to make available for short-term rent without a Hotel permit for each property --- including through any number of business partners or related entities.

    So if you're a homeowner and have 1 or 2 properties which you rent out less than 80% of the year total across your properties, then FINE, allow that ---- You're allowed to have up to a total of ONE rental unit for short/temp housing accommodation (Count that includes Any and all sub-rentals across all properties that occur for a time less than 20 days) rented out 80% of the days each year, OR two housing accommodations rented out average 40% of the days per 1 year per unit, OR three housing accommodations rented out no more than average 26.67% of the days per 1 year per unit.

    (In other words: the more units that are rented out to different tenants, the fewer days you may be renting them out per year.)

    Thus if you have 3 properties in the same city Or have it rented out your properties for a combined total among your properties of more than 290 rental-days, then you're in a "Short-term accommodation business" and must have planning approval and permit your properties as Hotel space --- which if approved by Zoning includes regular inspections, and an additional Tax on each rental.

    Reasonable regulation should allow reasonable rental revenue by an ordinary homeowner BUT prevent wealthy real-estate investors or corporations from exploiting Uber to make large-scale transformations of apartments to hotel rooms, etc.

    1. Re:Fix it with some careful regulation by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 3, Insightful

      People love to invent rules for other people. The more complicated the better. If it's not working, make it more complicated, until it starts working.

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    2. Re:Fix it with some careful regulation by SirSlud · · Score: 3, Funny

      Simple rules for simple people.

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    3. Re:Fix it with some careful regulation by mysidia · · Score: 5, Insightful

      People love to invent rules for other people. The more complicated the better.

      Fine. Ban all short-term leasing or sub-leasing of Apartments, Homes, or portions of an Apartment or Home on all Real-Estate, except for Commercial Units licensed as hotels.
      Do you feel that is superior?

    4. Re:Fix it with some careful regulation by jonsmirl · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Great, then the owners of those restaurants will have to pay their workers more!

      No area is going to lose all of their restaurants, etc. There is always demand for services like that. Prices will adjust and employee pay will increase. Restaurant workers in NYC already get paid triple what a restaurant worker in Alabama gets.

    5. Re:Fix it with some careful regulation by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you want rents to be lower, allow people to build more housing. Rent control doesn't fix anything.

    6. Re:Fix it with some careful regulation by Hal_Porter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Milton Friedman on price controls

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      Nobel prize winner Milton Friedman said "We economists don't know much, but we do know how to create a shortage. If you want to create a shortage of tomatoes, for example, just pass a law that retailers can't sell tomatoes for more than two cents per pound. Instantly you'll have a tomato shortage. It's the same with oil or gas."

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    7. Re:Fix it with some careful regulation by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 5, Insightful

      People love to invent rules for [society]

      That's what you do when you see a problem. You curb it. Hell, people "invented rules" about privatizing the commons, and we got an agricultural revolution. People also "invented rules" about having to serve black people the same as white people in a restaurant. Rules can be forces for good.

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    8. Re:Fix it with some careful regulation by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 3, Interesting

      People love to invent rules for [society]

      That's what you do when you see a problem. You curb it. Hell, people "invented rules" about privatizing the commons, and we got an agricultural revolution. People also "invented rules" about having to serve black people the same as white people in a restaurant. Rules can be forces for good.

      I've spent a significant part of my career making rules. Good, clear, unambiguous, effective and enforceable rules are usually not trivial to create and deserve at lot of thought and review. This is slashdot, People fantasize about new rules for breakfast.

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    9. Re:Fix it with some careful regulation by alvinrod · · Score: 5, Informative

      Rent control doesn't solve the problem because it actively discourages new development, which when you have a growing population leads to housing shortages. Legislating something doesn't alter reality or prohibition would have worked, there would be no litter in parks, and Wall Street would never do anything someone finds unscrupulous.

      You also get plenty of cases where people who don't need rent control housing occupy it (and hold on to it) because it's cheaper. You also see even worse examples like the Congressman who was renting four separate rent-controlled apartments at the same time.

      There are various schools of economics and they often squabble over policies and correct courses of action for many things, but rent control is not one of them.

    10. Re:Fix it with some careful regulation by jonsmirl · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The root of SF's problems is decades of government interference in the housing market. Adam Smith's invisible hand would sort everything out if the government would stop holding it back. Market forces work at all levels, if there are not enough restaurants to satisfy demand prices will rise and workers will get paid more. Everything falls apart when people in the government think they are smarter than the invisible hand and enact laws supporting their social agendas. There is an obvious correlation in America with city governments that interfere with the housing market and problems in those same cities with housing the poor. In general the more the government interferes to worse it gets for the majority of the poor, select segments of the poor benefit from government interference, but those not selected get hurt a lot more.

    11. Re: Fix it with some careful regulation by spongman · · Score: 3

      This is what San franciscodid. It's removing even more units from the rental market.

    12. Re: Fix it with some careful regulation by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 3, Insightful

      True. And that is because "affordable housing" isn't affordable to the poor.

    13. Re:Fix it with some careful regulation by LunaticTippy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That is a beautiful way to keep prices low! I kind of like how that reduces the incentive for people to buy speculatively. It's pretty dysfunctional how remote investors have distorted prices in the sf bay area, vancouver, etc.

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  2. Gee, live in a city. . . by Salgak1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    . . . that restricts the supply of new housing, and has strong rent-control in place, and people are SURPRISED that property owners will find a way to to generate revenue, and then optimize that revenue ??

  3. Regulations were made for a reason by rsilvergun · · Score: 5, Insightful

    and I do wish we could get folks to understand that. Cities didn't limit hotels to "Preserve the Character of the neighborhood" or some other hippy crap. They did it to stop this kind of rent seeking garbage. People have to live where the jobs and rich folk know that. So they can pay damn near anything because they know they can rent it back to somebody and make a profit. Sure there are limits, but they're frighteningly high.

    This crap should just be shut down. Just like this crap was shut down when I was a kid and we called it sub-letting.

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  4. Studies by 110010001000 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The problem with these types of studies is you will never know if they are correct or not, because there is no way to see what would have happened if Airbnb never came to NYC. Maybe it would have gentrified faster without Airbnb. NYC was gentrifying way before Airbnb came to the city. Of course, speculation is now presented as fact. That will make the funders of this study (the hotel industry) happy though, and that is what this is all about anyway. They can now push to get Airbnb out of NYC.

  5. Re:It doesn't sound right... by alvinrod · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's one of those inane things that's just used to complain. If well off white people are moving in to a neighborhood it's gentrification. If they're moving out it's white flight. I'm sure if they stayed in place long enough, some term would be created to castigate them for that as well.

  6. I remember when by John+Jorsett · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... it was "white flight" when middle-class people abandoned crime-infested, poor, dirty urban areas, and it was deemed bad. Now that people are moving back into these areas and the crime and dirt and poverty are leaving, it's "gentrification" and it's deemed bad.

    1. Re:I remember when by Nidi62 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ... it was "white flight" when middle-class people abandoned crime-infested, poor, dirty urban areas, and it was deemed bad.

      Leaving by choice. Still bad because it deprived those neighborhoods of critically needed taxes and other benefits.

      the crime and dirt and poverty are leaving, it's "gentrification" and it's deemed bad.

      Being forced out. Not by choice. See the difference? Gentrification also usually means those pushed out have to move even further away from their jobs, sometimes making those jobs no longer tenable but mainly just increasing transportation cost (time and money) to those jobs. Costs the poor already have a hard time bearing as is.

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    2. Re:I remember when by Obfuscant · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The fact that the whole thing is described by what white people are doing only goes to *highlight* that nobody gives a fuck unless it's affecting white people.

      The fact that the terms are only used when white people do it only goes to highlight that it is being blamed on white people. It's not affecting just white people, it affects everyone, and everyone does it.

  7. So we need different hotel regulation? by swb · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Let me see if I understand this:

    ABnB works because ad-hoc rooms are cheaper than standard hotel rooms.

    So people rush into the ABnB market, removing conventional apartments from the pool of long-term housing, driving up rents as the pool of apartments shrinks.

    So if hotels are losing customers, why aren't they cutting hotel rates to be more competitive with ABnB? Hell, why aren't they slashing staff completely and converting some properties to ABnB only -- or becoming apartments?

    Do we need to reduce regulation on hotels so they can better compete with ABnB?

    Or is it some other thing, like hotels had successfully restricted competition and there was a practical shortage of hotels which drove prices too high?

    1. Re:So we need different hotel regulation? by Nidi62 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Let me see if I understand this:

      ABnB works because ad-hoc rooms are cheaper than standard hotel rooms.

      So people rush into the ABnB market, removing conventional apartments from the pool of long-term housing, driving up rents as the pool of apartments shrinks.

      So if hotels are losing customers, why aren't they cutting hotel rates to be more competitive with ABnB? Hell, why aren't they slashing staff completely and converting some properties to ABnB only -- or becoming apartments?

      Do we need to reduce regulation on hotels so they can better compete with ABnB?

      Or is it some other thing, like hotels had successfully restricted competition and there was a practical shortage of hotels which drove prices too high?

      It's the Uber model. Hotels have to live up to all sorts of codes (fire codes, health codes, building codes, etc) and are inspected regularly. Airbnb homes, as private dwellings, are held to less stringent standards. Besides the cost reduction from this, the private homes don't have to pay for housekeeping, maintenance, front desk, and other staff, further reducing their costs. Hotels also have to collect and pay taxes that private dwellings may or may not collect and pay (there may or may not be local laws stating that they have to collect taxes, and they may or may not adhere to those laws if they do exist).

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    2. Re:So we need different hotel regulation? by MeNeXT · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Hotels have regulations to follow which Airbnb washes it's hands. Airbnb doesn't care about negative reviews because you can't post them. When things go wrong Airbnb doesn't care, doesn't allow you to post about it on the site, and doesn't refund the payments. It has to hit the media in order for Airbnb to react. When it does hit the media the wash their hands of it by claiming to delist the owner only to find them back again a few months later.

      Regulations should apply to all or to none. If Airbnb is a listing service then travelers shouldn't have to pay commission. If travelers pay commission then Airbnb is the travelers agent and should be responsible for the state of the destination as a travel agent is in some jurisdictions.

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  8. wrong target by supernova87a · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Look, don't blame Airbnb, Uber or whatever company happened to come along in this moment, for all your woes. What you're actually mad at is the absolute failure of our governments, public institutions, and elected officials to adapt their services and approaches (or be allowed to do this by a public that seemingly wants to vote by popularity contest rather than efficacy of government).

    Get mad at your fellow city residents who only vote in and approve of city ordinances that let housing stagnate, reward people who've just been here a long time and nothing else, foster complacency and lack of quality in taxi regulation, or believe that voters should have a say in everything and vote out people who happen to implement one rule they don't like.

    Get mad at policymakers who are too distracted with getting re-elected and resisting PAC money to actually focus on governing and making reasonable policies, leaving our basic infrastructure to crumble while they go after higher profile symbolic issues.

    Be mad at yourself, and this system we thought was the best in the world, but actually needs maintenance and dedication to make it work properly.

    Companies are just the messengers.

  9. Airbnb is a scam by MeNeXT · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Airbnb takes commission on both sides and when there is a major problem to deal with they disappear.

    If you are lucky enough to book with a decent host you may get what you pay for. Unfortunately when you book with a scammer you are on your own. There is absolutely no help provided from Airbnb. This is based on my personal experience traveling for 30 years so your mileage may vary.

    No business is perfect. This is not about perfection. This is bout what happens when things go wrong. You are thousands of miles away and may have limited funds available or in a completely different culture where communication is not easy.

    Normally with a regular permitted establishment you can verify various independent reviews. On Airbnb only positive reviews are posted. You only find this out when things go wrong. Airbnb does not post negative reviews even though you paid for the full stay.

    Permitted establishments normally are inspected by local authorities which try to ensure a minimum standards. This does not mean that something won't go wrong but there is a bare minimum such as fire regulations. Information posting. Emergency exits. With Airbnb you are no even guaranteed that there will be a place to stay. Again Airbnb takes very little responsibility as to the accessibility or even to the legality of the rental. They haven't even visited the location to ensure that it is fit for the purpose advertised.

    So Airbnb takes commission on both sides of the deal and provides none of the advantages afforded from the regulated and established lodging hosts and when things go wrong you are left abandoned and screwed. The horror stories haven't disappeared they are just pushed under the rug. If it's so bad that the local authorities are left to deal with it, you may hear about it. You can't post negative reviews on Airbnb.

    Airbnb is not a sharing service since you are not required to live with current occupants and takes advantage of the increased costs of regulations which it does not abide with and wipes it's hands from all and any responsibility when things go terribly wrong. Airbnb pretends to be a listing service but implicates itself in every aspect of the business which milks every possible penny and extracts itself from any form of responsibility. I don't know why anyone needed a report to point this out if an individual acted this way people would say that they were running a scam.

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  10. 'Gig' Economy vs Full-Time business by Marc_Hawke · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The thing I've always 'disliked' about 'room-sharing' and 'ride-sharing' (and I guess to some extent E-bay and Youtube) is that people make it a full-time job instead of a 'community' thing.

    I don't remember the taxi company complaining about the 'ride-sharing' board at the University. If you were going home for the weekend, why not take along a passenger that was going the same way. In general that's the basic idea of Uber and Lyft. I have a car, you're going my way, hop in.

    There was also the 'couch-surfing' phenomenon of a while back. The differences between that and what AirBnB is now are what I see as the problem. It's one thing to allow someone to spend the night in your empty guest room because nobody else is using it. It's a completely different thing to buy a room/ apartment/ house dedicated to having people pay to stay there.

    The 'problem' with Uber and AirBnB is that people have transformed the 'occasionality' of it into a permanent full-time job. It's not a sporadic and almost random thing they offer, it's 'the only thing.'

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  11. That is not the main reason by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Informative

    ABnB works because ad-hoc rooms are cheaper than standard hotel rooms.

    The reason it works is for lots of reasons, that is the last of them. I have often paid more for an AirBnB unit than I would have for the nearest hotel.

    Often you can find AirBnB units closer to where you want to be than most hotels, or in a more desirable location.

    AirBNB units will generally have kitchens and washing machines, both of which may be very hard to find at any price just looking at hotels.

    AirBNB units being housing, are often more secure than hotels and I don't have to worry about an entire staff with keycards being able to access my room, or being targeted by thieves because they know tourists stay at hotels.

    Do we need to reduce regulation on hotels so they can better compete with ABnB?

    That would help but I would still prefer an AirBnB unit if I could get one, over a hotel. Unfortunately because of restrictive regulation, most AirBnB units I've tried getting in large cities (mainly SF and NYC) have always been canceled so I can't take that risk anymore. In smaller markets they have been great though and really been much nicer than hotels.

    and there was a practical shortage of hotels which drove prices too high?

    One last note on this, it does not have to be a shortage of rooms or hotels - the last year or two the Apple Developer conference (WWDC) was in San Fransisco, the hotels decided to collude on higher prices - by that I mean 2-4x above normal rates for that time of year, because they knew they had a captive market for people who wanted to be around Moscone. I'm not 100% sure but it could be a reason Apple finally moved the conference to San Jose.

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  12. on the other hand... by buddyglass · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...I was able to stay two weeks in NYC with my family (2 adults, 2 kids) in a clean 1200 sq. foot. two-bedroom apartment in Washington Heights for $120/night. Comparable hotel would have cost me $300/night at least. And my (14 nights * $120/night) went mostly into the hands of an actual family living in NYC (two public school teachers with 2 kids of their own) instead of, say, "Hilton" or "Marriot".