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Fake News Spreads Faster Than True News On Twitter -- Thanks To People, Not Bots (sciencemag.org)

A new study shows that people are the prime culprits when it comes to the propagation of misinformation through social networks. Tweets containing falsehoods reach 1,500 people on Twitter six times faster than truthful tweets, the research reveals. Science Magazine reports: The lead author -- Soroush Vosoughi, a data scientist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in Cambridge -- and his colleagues collected 12 years of data from Twitter, starting from the social media platform's inception in 2006. Then they pulled out tweets related to news that had been investigated by six independent fact-checking organizations -- websites like PolitiFact, Snopes, and FactCheck.org. They ended up with a data set of 126,000 news items that were shared 4.5 million times by 3 million people, which they then used to compare the spread of news that had been verified as true with the spread of stories shown to be false. They found that whereas the truth rarely reached more than 1000 Twitter users, the most pernicious false news stories routinely reached well over 10,000 people. False news propagated faster and wider for all forms of news -- but the problem was particularly evident for political news, the team reports today in Science. At first the researchers thought that bots might be responsible, so they used sophisticated bot-detection technology to remove social media shares generated by bots. But the results didn't change: False news still spread at roughly the same rate and to the same number of people. By default, that meant that human beings were responsible for the virality of false news.

94 comments

  1. double the fun by bugs2squash · · Score: 4, Funny

    duplicate news seems to spread fasted on slashdot though !

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    1. Re:double the fun by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 4, Funny

      This story reminds me a lot of another discussion I read recently.

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    2. Re:double the fun by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

      Of course, repetition is the mother of learning.

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    3. Re:double the fun by zifn4b · · Score: 1

      Of course, repetition is the mother of learning.

      This message brought to you by the Department of Redundancy Department

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    4. Re:double the fun by gnick · · Score: 1

      Best line from Natural Born Killers:

      Repetition works, David. Repetition works, David.

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  2. Perhaps... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Perhaps fake news is designed to excite people while real news isn't.

    1. Re: Perhaps... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Much more exciting than reality.

  3. Fake news is more interesting by deek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Stands to reason why fake news spreads faster. It's designed to be more interesting, more controversial, and/or generally more appealing than the actual truth. Truth is often quite boring, after all.

      It's like how virtual reality is more entertaining than actual reality.

    1. Re:Fake news is more interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The truth is not boring, its just that you never get to hear the interesting truths.

    2. Re:Fake news is more interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Stands to reason why fake news spreads faster. It's designed to be more interesting, more controversial, and/or generally more appealing than the actual truth. Truth is often quite boring, after all.

        It's like how virtual reality is more entertaining than actual reality.

      Apparently fake news proved too much for the Wall Street

      http://money.cnn.com/2017/12/08/media/cnn-correction-email-story/index.html

    3. Re:Fake news is more interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Corollary 1: The more widespread the news/rumor, the more likely it is to be false.

      Corollary 2: If it's trending on Facebook or Twitter, then it's probably false.

    4. Re:Fake news is more interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or maybe there's an issue with their definition of "fake". The quoted selection of fact checkers alone suggest a heavy bias.

    5. Re:Fake news is more interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That sounds about right. Consider the widespread [propaganda] news: Russian hackers everywhere!!!11!! oh noezzzz!!!!1

      What goes for "news" these days is really just fake news and propaganda/agitprop.

    6. Re:Fake news is more interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And there's lots of reasons to share such a story:

      - The person believes it and wants to share it.
      - The person wants to see if friends can verify / discredit the story.
      - The person wants to mock the false story.
      - The person wants to troll others and see who falls for it.

      Etc. So while Fake News may spread more quickly, the study doesn't seem to delve into WHY it does so.

    7. Re:Fake news is more interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If science and political science were taught in an entertaining fashion starting from kindergarten, the truth would not be as boring as often. The real world is filled with wonders - truths stranger than fiction.

    8. Re:Fake news is more interesting by mjwx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The truth is not boring, its just that you never get to hear the interesting truths.

      The old saying goes, "Truth is stranger than fiction" and that is quite true, but fiction is far more pleasing than the truth. So many prefer to live in a world of fiction. The problem is that many "news" agencies like the Daily Mail and Fox News have trained their reader/viewership to reject news that is based on facts and written in neutral (as in non-inflammatory) language as fake whilst accepting biased, opinion based news written to incite anger as true.

      This is a case of people confirming their own bias.
      1) Fake news organisation publishes fallacious and thought terminating cliche ridden piece about $thingYouDontLike.
      2) Joe the biggot reads piece, shares on Twunter with the byline "Oh my Setekh, this is totally true about $thingIDontLike #PoliticianIDontLike #ThingIDontLike #LikeTotallyAndNotMadeUp #Selfie ".
      3) Jane the slightly lesser biggot re-twunts it, then John the casually racist does the same and it eventually reaches Sally the well intentioned but not that bright who believes it because she doesn't question the facts presented when they're popular. Unfortunately there are a lot of people like Sally in the world.

      It spreads because its written to be inflammatory and prevent us from thinking about the information critically, which is why it works well on those that aren't that bright however it's initially spread by people who simply want to confirm their own bias. Twitter, Facebook and other social media sites are perfect for this because their entire business model revolves around keeping you in an echo chamber so you don't want to leave. If Facebook really did crack down on fake news, users would leave in droves.

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    9. Re:Fake news is more interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1) Fake news organisation publishes fallacious and thought terminating cliche ridden piece about $thingYouDontLike.

      2) Joe the biggot reads piece, shares on Twunter with the byline "Oh my Setekh, this is totally true about $thingIDontLike #PoliticianIDontLike #ThingIDontLike #LikeTotallyAndNotMadeUp #Selfie ".

      3) Jane the slightly lesser biggot re-twunts it, then John the casually racist does the same and it eventually reaches Sally the well intentioned but not that bright who believes it because she doesn't question the facts presented when they're popular. Unfortunately there are a lot of people like Sally in the world.

      I think this poster has the key of it. Something has to reach critical mass to spread effectively. That can be done with paid people or bots, though a combination likely works best. Once it is out there people spread it more because:
      1. They fear it is true.
      2. They want it to be true.
      3. It must be true because they heard all this other stuff that fits with it.

      We have to stop the initial spread of this crap or heavily smack it down some way, just the same way we have to stop the spread of diseases. It is not simple nor easy, particularly while protecting freedom of speech, but it is necessary, and I'd argue there is no protection for outright lies masking as news.

    10. Re:Fake news is more interesting by gtall · · Score: 1

      Or put another way, there are more putzes than intelligent people and Twitter is representative of the proportions.

    11. Re:Fake news is more interesting by Wycliffe · · Score: 2

      Or maybe there's an issue with their definition of "fake". The quoted selection of fact checkers alone suggest a heavy bias.

      Or a fact checker at all regardless of bias. You don't typically need a fact checker for stuff that is not questionable to begin with. I would expect places like snopes, factcheck.org, mythbusters, etc... are heavily biased toward questionable and false claims. They would be boring sites if 90% of their articles were about "yes, that's true". It's the same reason the published research articles are heavily biased toward showing success or upsets. Research articles showing failures or "behaved as expected" or "nothing happened" are generally not very interesting.

    12. Re:Fake news is more interesting by Wycliffe · · Score: 1

      Nobody creates a boring fake news story. Lots of real news is uninteresting. There's your difference. When it is believed, fake news travels faster because it is more interesting.

      Not only is real news boring but their selection pool is horribly biased. Nobody takes the time to write a fact checking article for a boring true story. You only fact check something that is questionable in nature to begin with.

    13. Re:Fake news is more interesting by cyberchondriac · · Score: 0, Troll

      And CNN, MSNBC, et al. haven't trained their viewers too, for the bigots and falsifiers on the opposite side of the spectrum?

      Even when CNN leaks debate questions to a presidential candidate? https://www.washingtonpost.com...
      Or Don Lemon says mostly anyone can go out and buy and automatic weapons? http://www.politifact.com/pund...
      When three "investigative journalists" from CNN lie so badly they resign over a false story about Scaramucci? http://www.latimes.com/busines...
      Or when it deliberately writes a misleading headline to make Trump look uninformed: "Trump asks Japan to build cars in the U.S. It already does" by using a partial quote that deflects the reality of his statement: http://money.cnn.com/2017/11/0...
      Or when NBC doctors a 911 tape to make Zimmerman sound like he's explicitly following Martin just for being black when in truth he was asked by the operator to describe the person's race? https://www.theatlantic.com/en...
      Confirmation bias is a two way street; it's amusing but not unexpected to see it at work on a person who, in an echo chamber of their own, believes it only exists on the other side.

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    14. Re:Fake news is more interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same reason why fake girls on the Internet more interesting than real girls?

    15. Re:Fake news is more interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      What's even more hilarious is that I can find multiple independent sources that prove you factually wrong on every single one of those links, even from right wing sites. Fake news has truly worked on you.

    16. Re:Fake news is more interesting by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      But curiously, you haven't. Because you can't. And not a one of those links are right wing.
      You know what hasn't worked on me? Trolls like you trying to divide America and stir the pot.

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    17. Re:Fake news is more interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seems to me that you have a pretty biggoted opinion about biggots. It is the 21st century. how about widening your mind and accepting biggots into your socially acceptable classes of people. I mean 10 years ago your kind would be calling people you don't like faggot. now through education people realize that faggots are people too. I hope that in 10 years from not closed minded people such as yourself who have a hatred of biggots will have become more educated and accepting of biggots.

  4. People are stupid. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    See : The President of the United States.

  5. Interesting that the fakes were all anti-Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    Hillary bots aka shariablue spread more fakes affording to their examples.

    Interesting.

    So the Clinton Crime Family is projecting their own misdeeds when they cry "Russia bots."

  6. Terry Pratchett quote of the day by chthon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A lie runs around the world before truth even has its boots on.

    1. Re: Terry Pratchett quote of the day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Perhaps one for the modern age should be 'If its gone viral, its probably fake'

    2. Re:Terry Pratchett quote of the day by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 5, Informative

      Jonathan Swift had him beat by two hundred years or so:

      “Falsehood flies, and truth comes limping after it.”

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    3. Re:Terry Pratchett quote of the day by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      "And then Daryyn Charva battered him in the Wetherspoons carpark"

      Traditional, often attributed to Shakespeare on the Internet.

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    4. Re:Terry Pratchett quote of the day by shanen · · Score: 2

      Wasn't that Samuel Clemens?

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    5. Re: Terry Pratchett quote of the day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Understandable as there are lots of references to carparks in Shakespeare's works.

    6. Re:Terry Pratchett quote of the day by bobbied · · Score: 1

      A lie runs around the world before truth even has its boots on.

      Quoting Mark Twain? I though Samuel Clemons died a long time ago... LOL (and yes, I know there is debate about if he said this).

      Just goes to show, There is nothing really new..

      Oh, And I like his other quote: "If you don't read the news paper, you are uninformed. If you do read it, you are misinformed. "

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  7. ... at twice the speed !! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    duplicate news seems to spread fasted on slashdot though !

     
    ... at twice the speed ...

  8. Alternative Facts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    I'm pretty sure those 6 independent fact checking websites get their marching orders at the same time of day as the MSM.

    1. Re: Alternative Facts by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

      Semi-official propaganda would never lie!

  9. Twitter: The Democrat echo chamber by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Fake news continuously repeated and retweeted left and right..

    1. Re:Twitter: The Democrat echo chamber by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fake news continuously repeated and retweeted by the left and right..

      ftfy

      You're both a bunch of liars.

    2. Re: Twitter: The Democrat echo chamber by baristabrian · · Score: 0

      Fucking retarded Slashdot system. You got labeled âoeTrollâ for telling the truth? âoeFuck Slashdot.â

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  10. Bad news travel faster than light by grungeman · · Score: 4, Funny

    Quote from Douglas Adams' "Mostly Harmless":

    "One of the problems has to do with the speed of light and the difficulties involved in trying to exceed it. You can't. Nothing travels faster than the speed of light with the possible exception of bad news, which obeys its own special laws. The Hingefreel people of Arkintoofle Minor did try to build spaceships that were powered by bad news but they didn't work particularly well and were so extremely unwelcome whenever they arrived anywhere that there wasn't really any point in being there."

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  11. THIS SOUNDS LIKE FAKE NEWZ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ipso factor lupo!

  12. lol snopes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cnn-washing-machine/
    It's all just a game to them. They cherry pick which sites they choose to "investigate" and flag for spreading "fake news". They know it's satire, it's about getting sites deranked that aren't spreading the right message. Now they want their hands on the controls of who gets throttled on twitter.

    1. Re:lol snopes by ISayWeOnlyToBePolite · · Score: 1

      https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cnn-washing-machine/
      It's all just a game to them. They cherry pick which sites they choose to "investigate" and flag for spreading "fake news". They know it's satire, it's about getting sites deranked that aren't spreading the right message. Now they want their hands on the controls of who gets throttled on twitter.

      I'm a bit puzzled as to what you're trying to say, you're not claiming that snopes and their cohort MIT scientist are trying to control twitter, or are you?

      If satire is ranked highly as news, then there is something wrong with the ranking. If satire described as satire receives a lower ranking than satire described as something else, for example news then there is also something wrong with the ranking.

  13. Twits by tquasar · · Score: 0

    I don't tweet. Don't read social media.

  14. Cool! by famebait · · Score: 1

    So instead of all that cumbersome fact-checking, we can just measure the truth of a story on Twitter! And automate it! Then trolls would have to design purpousefully even slow-moving news to be believed. And we should trust only the medium-speed news. And then...

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  15. Re: Fact checking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds like somebody didnâ(TM)t like their favorite fake news debunked. Since both sides complain about snopes, itâ(TM)s a reasonable source,
    https://www.snopes.com/info/notes/politics.asp

  16. Re: "Truth" afffected by politics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Only in fake news in your head.

    Kind of like flat earthed deniers, or those that still believe cigarette smoke is actually healthy for you.

  17. Fake news are so good by schure · · Score: 1

    They confirm your bias. It gives you a dopamine hit. Of course people like them more. Who'd eat spinach when they can have macadamia brittle ice cream?

  18. Re:"Truth" afffected by politics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Like taking the climate panic as true. Even though the whole thing is based on a suspicion that's been proven wrong.

    Please elaborate.

  19. Selection bias? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Their methodology (roughly) seems to have been: take a sample of claims from fact checker sites, compare the spread of the ones marked "true" to the ones marked "false". But what are the factors that cause fact checking sites to write about something at all? In general, I think they are more likely to write about false things when people erroneously believe them, and true things when people erroneously disbelieve them. So I think the "true" sample in this study was selected for being less believable.

  20. Re: Fact checking by dwillden · · Score: 1, Informative

    Snopes is reliable for debunking urban legends, scams and email hoaxes. But when it comes to anything remotely political they lean so obviously far to the left it's obvious. They have been caught out time and again insisting their fact checking is accurate even when presented with facts clearly proving them to be in the wrong. Politifact is biased but will occasionally admit they are wrong, not Snopes, cite proof to them and they double down defending their falsehoods and equivocations.

    Example this case: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/outback-steakhouse-gun-policy-controversy/
    Snopes continues to try an draw some imaginary distinction between this POST certified Law Enforcement Officer and a police officer or state trooper. They all have the same certification requirements and like the State trooper this officer also has statewide law enforcement jurisdiction. He is a police officer, he was in uniform, yet they insist on trying to qualify that he is not a Local Police Officer or State Trooper, when his legal authority is the same and nobody reported him as a local police officer or state trooper. Just as a Uniformed Officer who was asked to leave because he was armed as required by his superiors and possibly the law.

    This is just one example that comes to mind, I questioned them on it and they stuck to justifying the "Mixture" rating because of their imaginary distinction.

    When it comes to politics Snopes is so biased they are a joke as a "Fact Checker".

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  21. Fake News spreads even fastr with network like CNN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Fake News spreads even fastr with network like CNN

  22. Fake news is believed more... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The more you tell people its's fake! This has been scientifically proved.

  23. Fashion trends in IT? by shanen · · Score: 2

    I agree that there is a lot of recycling of related themes these days, but I suspect the cause is staffing shortages or priority "issues" among the current editors of Slashdot. Paid staff or volunteers? Either way the financial model appears to be continuing to work poorly.

    As regards this story, I think that credibility should be an important dimension of EPR (Earned Public Reputation), but credibility is a hard one to define clearly and uniformly, so I think it should probably be broken down into several other dimensions. However the obvious effect of propagating garbage should be a reduction in the EPR of the propagator. This should still be part of system that is biased in favor of good behaviors, but if someone thinks some identity is propagating lies or fake news, then the evidence should be presented. (Getting more wrinkled, but I actually think there should be an appeals mechanism,too. NOT modeled after the fiasco that is YouTube.)

    By the way, this EPR approach would work especially well where a significant number of the identities have been verified. Not yet clear if that is where Twitter is heading, but Twitter has even more room for improvement than Slashdot.

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    1. Re: Fashion trends in IT? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am curious. Why do you still want to write serious thought on Slashdot while so many other people here only use Slashdot for nothing but trolling?

      When I read such serious opinion here, I truly respect the writer.

  24. Re:"Truth" afffected by politics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yea, the established media is losing their monopoly on the flow of information. So they push biased shitshows like Snopes as mediators of "truth".

  25. What is "fake" news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Oh, you mean the TRUTH that the Jewish controlled media doesn't want you to know...

  26. Re: wat? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    very biased in favor of the establishment and progressiveness.

    You're using big words, but you don't seem to understand what they mean.

    Hint: Bias towards the establishment is conservative, not progressive. Consult the nearest dictionary if you're still confused.

  27. Same People by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    False news still spread at roughly the same rate and to the same number of people.

    But did they check also if the news spread to the same people, all over again?

  28. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  29. This should not come as a surprise by e3m4n · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How many times did we roll our eyes and think to ourselves âoemorons!â when someone we knew sent us an email regarding the US post office contemplating charging postage for email delivery? And how many times did we get that rediculous email asking us to foreward to everyone we knew because Micro$uck was tracking the email in order to make email more efficient?

    I used to tell people that those were virusâ(TM). Not computer code virusâ(TM) but rather ones spread by infecting human hosts by compromising rational thought.

  30. Re: Fact checking by ISayWeOnlyToBePolite · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You'll want to do some fact checking yourself as the article does not support your position. What is true is that a wildlife resources agency officer was asked to leave an Outback Steakhouse because an individual customer at another table became panicked due to the presence of his gun. What is false is that he's a state trooper or local police officer AND that the Outback Steakhouse has a "gun free zone"-policy, they do not and they have apologized to the officer. You're perfectly justified in feeling that a wildlife resources agency officer is equivalent to a police officer and state trooper and that he was told that there was a "gun free zone"-policy is bad enough, regardless if there is such a policy or not. However as a matter of fact checking the two propositions are false. Thus as far as fact checking, the mixture rating.

  31. Shouldn't this be obvious by 91degrees · · Score: 1

    I mean the point of fake news is to convince people. Not bots. The fake news peddlers need to make it go viral. And it's humans that do that.

  32. Press F to Pay Respects by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Exploit 3D Touch:

    * Press F to forward news-that-might-be-fake
    * Press F harder for news-I-know-is-fake

  33. Fact checking websites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They are not there for fact checking.

  34. Fake news is more interesting by anyaristow · · Score: 1

    Nobody creates a boring fake news story. Lots of real news is uninteresting. There's your difference. When it is believed, fake news travels faster because it is more interesting.

  35. Any conservative fact-checkers out there? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I haven't seen one, but I'd like to see such a beast if it exists.

    1. Re:Any conservative fact-checkers out there? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It exists. It's called "reality".

      For instance, the Fallon Fox thing really confirmed the fact there are differences between genders that dont go away because "feelings".

    2. Re:Any conservative fact-checkers out there? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      About the closest thing to a fact checking site I've seen is NewsBusters, but they seem more like an opinion site that a fact checker.

  36. Re: Fact checking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "just as a Uniformed Officer who was asked to leave because he was armed as required by his superiors and possibly the law."

    But they are not required to eat steaks while armed.

  37. fake news it is crafted to outrage people by XXongo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Perhaps fake news is designed to excite people while real news isn't.

    This is it precisely. Fake news is deliberately crafted to outrage people. Real news is messy-- it doesn't have all the details, and there is always some "well this side makes a point but the other side has a point, too."

    Also, real news is reported by a lot of sources-- people don't feel the need to spread "did you see what Trump just did" news when it's on all the news channels and headlines in all the newspapers, but they do feel the need to spread the "here's something outrageous that isn't in the news but should be" stories that are not in the news because they are made up.

    But overall, yes: fake news spreads faster because it is crafted to outrage people.

    1. Re:fake news it is crafted to outrage people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it's real news, and not just an opinion piece, then there shouldn't be any sides taken. A news article can report that Dems have proposed gun control legislation in the House/Senate and it can report the NRA is opposing it without the news article itself taking sides. Just report what happened, and let people make their own conclusion.

      But like you said, this is much more boring than the "news" articles that make people angry. If someone writes an article that says the Dems want to abolish the second amendment or that the NRA wants to shoot babies it's going to get a more visceral reaction.

    2. Re: fake news it is crafted to outrage people by baristabrian · · Score: 0

      CNN: âoeALL Trump! ALL Bad! ALL Day!â [âoe... even if itâ(TM)s FAKE, we got âred meat!â(TM)â]

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  38. I've been seeing this story everywhereq by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This story has spread very fast, ergo - it is fake news. But if it is fake news, and spread fast, then it must be true! But if it's true, it must be fake news.

  39. Recommendation algorithms? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    No explicit mention of the role of the various algorithms that promote posts? There has recently been quite a bit of research into how the platform software promotes click friendly content. Click friendly content is exactly as the article describes and thus mainly lies and fabrication. So there's a double whammy where clicky content is promoted by humans and the platforms. The profit motive breeds more fake news at all levels.

  40. Don't use Twitter by pgmrdlm · · Score: 1

    I don't even look at Twitter, and I do not follow politics on Facebook. I do follow a lot of main mainstream media sites on Facebook. La Times, cbsnews, usatoday, washingtonpost. And even what political news I do see, I always look for other reliable sources to verify what I am reading is true. At least as the majority of different sources know.

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  41. Winston Churchill by Templer421 · · Score: 1

    "A lie gets halfway around the world before truth puts on its boots"

  42. To paraphrase Mark Twain.... by bobbied · · Score: 1

    If you don't read news on your social media outlet, you are uninformed. However, if you do read your news on social media, you are misinformed.

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  43. real and fake by XXongo · · Score: 3, Informative

    Also, real news is reported by a lot of sources-- people don't feel the need to spread "did you see what Trump just did" news when it's on all the news channels and headlines in all the newspapers,

    Then why do they? Because they most assuredly do.

    They most assuredly do what?

    What the article showed is that fake news gets forwarded ten to a hundred times more than real news.

    And then they add on top of it, with a lot unfounded Russian implications and other things that aren't real news.

    Ah, I see. You're one of those "the Russian stuff is fake news!" guys.

    No, "fake news" is a phrase that should be reserved for stuff that is actually completely made up-- like, "there's a pedophile ring operating underneath a pizza shop in New York that's frequented by celebrities and politicians", or 'Michele Bachmann said 'Jesus Created Assault Rifles'."

    The fact that Russia did what they could to disrupt the U.S. elections (and for that matter, to foment dissent of any sort) is quite well documented-- it's not "fake news". Now, there's a lot of speculation that's been attached to that (a lot of "Mueller is investigating X!, and a lot of "who in the campaign knew, and what will we find out?") But the speculation is usually labelled speculation.

    Everyone loves a good conspiracy. A good portion of the outrage stuff is fake (it exists on both sides); and some of it is real; the main stream media either prefers to highlight it, or to sweep it under the carpet, depending on whether it fits the narrative; while Buzzfeed and Salon are no more veracious than Breitbart.

    The mainstream media for the most part labels speculation as speculation (and puts it on the opinion-editorial page). The way you can tell real journalism from fake journalism, by the way, is that real journalism issues corrections when they're wrong. https://cdn.ampproject.org/c/s...

    1. Re:real and fake by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      Also, real news is reported by a lot of sources-- people don't feel the need to spread "did you see what Trump just did" news when it's on all the news channels and headlines in all the newspapers,

      Then why do they? Because they most assuredly do.

      They most assuredly do what?

      What the article showed is that fake news gets forwarded ten to a hundred times more than real news.

      People most assuredly DO feel the need to spread anti Trump rhetoric all over despite it being on news channels and newspapers all the time. They revel in it.
      I see it nonstop on Facebook and other social media. And in person.

      And then they add on top of it, with a lot unfounded Russian implications and other things that aren't real news.

      Ah, I see. You're one of those "the Russian stuff is fake news!" guys.

      No, "fake news" is a phrase that should be reserved for stuff that is actually completely made up-- like, "there's a pedophile ring operating underneath a pizza shop in New York that's frequented by celebrities and politicians", or 'Michele Bachmann said 'Jesus Created Assault Rifles'."

      The fact that Russia did what they could to disrupt the U.S. elections (and for that matter, to foment dissent of any sort) is quite well documented-- it's not "fake news". Now, there's a lot of speculation that's been attached to that (a lot of "Mueller is investigating X!, and a lot of "who in the campaign knew, and what will we find out?") But the speculation is usually labelled speculation.

      You misunderstand me. I never disavowed all Russian involvement. Russia was active, but like you said,what they did was stir the pot. They didn't hack voting machines or databases (other than Hillary's email, which released nothing we didn't already know about her). I don't believe the silliness that "Trump is Putin's puppet" as we often read or hear.
      They started off by essentially waging an ad campaign to back the fringe candidates (they also backed Bernie Sanders according to Mueller, and occasionally posted anti-Trump messages); additionally, they had paid trolls working feverishly on both ends of the political spectrum, with the intent to foment divisiveness and anger among the american people on Facebook and whatever other public forums they could. They wanted us at each other's throat.
      They played both sides against each other, not just Trump's side. This is the critical distinction that many fail to recognize.
      Their plan worked better than they could have hoped, because now we have " #resist " among other things. They have succeeded in driving a wedge between americans, and that makes us weaker.
      It's just that the ironic thing is, to me, the left has been more instrumental in actually giving the Russians what they really want (the hate and divisiveness among amercians) than Trump or the right has, with their numerous marches and protests, the resistance movement (hypocritical in itself considering they said Trump must accept the election), calls for impeachment, screams of racism, a 24/7 news media blitzkrieg, fake news (it exists even if not all the news is fake), and even the TV comedy circuit and the Oscars trash-talking non stop. Most of the trash talking on the right is defensive to the left's myriad accusations and offensive tactics (except for the abortion issue).
      Trump doesn't need help to put his foot in mouth, but the over the top obsession is overkill. And the Russians are loving it.

      As for fake news, pizzagate was fake, I know that.. but so was that dossier. Or claims that Trump instituted a "muslim ban".

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  44. Re:Snopes Gets it Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Except what's hilarious is that there is STILL no hard evidence that Trump Tower was wiretapped. It's entirely imagined, and gullible people have run with it as fact. At least it proves that some people are so detached from reality that they will forego all critical thinking to preserve that their belief is true. Gullible people (like you) make me a loooot of money.

  45. People are still idiots. Time for legislation? by martinfb · · Score: 1

    This has got to be part of that "Future Shock" phenomena that Alvin Toffler wrote about in 1970.
    We are the proverbial monkeys with a machine gun.

    It still amazes me to see the vast proliferation of totally idiotic behavior by my fellow man.
    Including the tendency to believe what one wants to believe.
    I blame nearly all of it on Corporations and our puppet government.

    Think about it. The media, TV shows, commercials (one of the worst!), and a lack of government help in the area of REAL education for the governed people allow for easy repression of the masses via catering to (our) easily manipulated wants.


    I am willing to bet everything I have on the fact that a better educated public, as well as enforced truth in media, would go farther to helping us all, including the end our shooter crisis, than anything.
    For example, making guns harder to get might help 1 symptom, yet will not end all shootings. Fixing those demented minds is a more practical solution.
    We need to treat the societal diseases, not the symptoms. Guns would not be such a tough problem if we ALL knew better the truth and actually regulated the culprits of damage (e.g.corporate control, religious extremism, mind numbing TV (especially commercials), etc...).

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  46. FFS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Fake news" is nothing more than what used to be called gossip.

    Gossip is driven by impotent, passive-aggressive rage and travels at a speed proportional to the dysfunction -- the more messed up the community is, the faster the gossip will spread.

    That's why it used to be that gossip was considered a negative thing and those who traded in it were considered undesirable types.

    Maybe there's room for traditional, old-fashioned values in the progressive tech world. Put another way, and I know this is crazy, but maybe a balanced, centrist, rational approach isn't such a bad thing. Maybe it's the extremism, from both sides, that is killing this country.