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Florida Lawmakers Approve Year-Round Daylight Saving Time (tampabay.com)
JustAnotherOldGuy writes: It seems like we're seeing a sudden outbreak of common sense from one of the most unlikely places. Florida might become the third state -- after Hawaii and Arizona -- to be done with the hassle of changing their clocks twice a year. Yesterday, the Senate overwhelmingly passed the Sunshine Protection Act in under one minute, with only two dissenters. The House had already passed it 103-11 last month. Now it has to be signed by Gov. Rick Scott. If Scott passes it, however, it still has to go through Congress before Florida has Daylight Savings Time all year long.
Don't they mean "Atlantic Standard Time" ?
- Chuq
PLEASE bring this to my State (and all States). I am so over changing time twice a year for absolutely no real reason my whole life. And picking to stay on Daylight Saving Time year-round ("permanent daylight saving time" is the best possible choice. I am very jealous. And yet, this could be the start of something great...
-Changing time-
Saves energy: FALSE
Helps farmers: FALSE
Gives extra sleep: FALSE
Reduces accidents: FALSE
Causes lots of lost productivity: TRUE
Causes a nightmare for people with sleep disorders: TRUE
Causes minor health problems even for normal people: TRUE
Generates a lot of hassle and confusion: TRUE
Hurts the economy: TRUE
Speak for yourself, I'm a night owl. Screw waking up at 5-6 am to get ready for work.
Other than sunrise, sunset, and high noon, all of our measured time is "fake". Since the clocks don't care, might as well set them conveniently.
I agree - time of sunrise and sunset should be symmetrical around noon.
Solar noon/midnight should be as close to 12am/pm as possible.
Well Arizona is already in their own timezone. It's confusing for sure, but the world won't end. True, the extra time savings in clock management will be initially overshadowed by the training and recuperation costs... too bad we don't have some sort of complex machinery to take care of this for us.
Why?
Florida will probably get shot down.
Too soon?
Because time is the measure of a day's progress -- faking it to appease stupid people who can't change their or their employees working/school hours is just lying to oneself.
The less your opinion about Daylight Savings matters.
---- The above post was generated by the Turing Institute. Maybe.
It remains a measure of the day's progress even if the sun reaches it's height at 1. Even with the current timezones, there are very few places where solar noon coincides with exactly 12:00:00 anyway.
Right, because bouncing the clocks around twice a year is not confusing at all.
Changing the clocks is confusing twice a year. Having different time than neighboring states is confusing for at least five months per year.
>"Why does it matter what time it gets dark? Get up and go to work earlier so you can leave sooner if it's that much of a concern."
You act as if most of us CAN set what time we go to work. And that is not reality.
It's true. Right now in Arizona, it's 9:12pm, March 8, 1952.
You are welcome on my lawn.
We just need to change the axial tilt of the earth. Why has this simple solution not been adopted already?
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Well, given that the state does not even want something closest to natural time, where the sun is at the highest point closest to noon, but instead wants the artificial DST in effect permanently, is weird. The alternative of getting rid of DST permanently does make a sort of sense at least.
It's Florida! People on the beach don't care what time it is, the retirees don't care what time it is, so why insist on DST? Business won't make more money, you won't save more energy, and you've got a surplus of sunlight already. If DST is a pain, why not get rid of it?
Why not make it UTC time then they can have daylight in the middle of the night, that would be good for business too!
They should just do away with time zones and make everyplace the same time. I don't like the fact that where I live Monday Night Football comes on at 5pm and Saturday Night Live starts at like 8:30. When I go online a 10pm to fuck around with my friends back in the Midwest or East Coast, they're all like, "Oh, we're sleeping because it's one in the morning." Fuck that.
Starting Sunday at 2am, the entire world has to go on Pacific Standard Time. No, make that, Pacific Daylight Time.
And put Saturday morning cartoons back on the networks. I mean, what the fuck is wrong with whoever decided to take cartoons off Saturday morning? Motherfucker, do I come over there and mess with your life?
Now excuse me, I gotta go get a refill and go pee. Save my spot.
You are welcome on my lawn.
You know, I think the flat earthers are on to something here. Equal daylight for everyone!
Well, by that logic, why even have time zones in the first place? Put everyone in the world on the same time and eliminate confusion. The sun would be at its peak at 7am instead in parts of the US.
Get up and go to work earlier so you can leave sooner
Oh look, a person of privilege. Guess what, the vast majority of people's lives don't work like that.
It's true. Right now in Arizona, it's 9:12pm, March 8, 1952.
Hey kids! Did you know that on that date, we had a party whose voters believed that dental fluoride was poisonous to our vital body fluids and that the Russians were conspiring against us everywhere?
And in those days, it was the Republicans.
No.
In the modern Western world, we work on a 9-5 schedule (or thereabouts). DST was invented to shift more daylight hours in the summer to the afternoon and evening, so that people could enjoy this daylight after work. Otherwise, a lot of the daylight hours would be very early in the morning, when most people are asleep or getting ready for/going to work.
So going to DST year-round actually makes sense, because it permanently shifts daylight into the afternoon, i.e. into after-work hours. I don't care how far that puts nominal noon away from real/solar noon, because time-keeping is anyway just a convention made up to make people's lives easier. So we can bend this convention a bit to suit our present purposes. Moving to DST permanently is easier than getting everyone to switch to working 7-3 or whatever.
Puerto Rico is in Atlantic time, which matches Eastern Daylight time. So with this change, Florida and Puerto Rico would always be in the same time zone.
MA also wants to join Atlantic time. NYers when asked also want to stay in EDT permanently (aka join Atlantic time).
Let's make this real easy. Move all states that touch the Atlantic ocean to year-round Atlantic time. Sorted.
The right way to do this is to eliminate DST, not make it permanent.
That is the worst of all the possible options that have been presented, and is really the only reason why those who fight for the preservation of DST do so.
Rural people and the poor benefit from daylight savings, because it saves money on utility bills.
The poor aren't likely to be affected one way or another, and rural people DON'T CARE, because they never paid attention to the hour of the day in the morning. They got up at dawn, whenever it is, as the exact time changes a small amount every day.
Driving to work in the dark, when most people are not fully awake, is dangerous, DST in the winter gains almost no time in the evening for any useful activities. Plus, it is too cold to be outside. I know no good reason for winter DST. The US tried winter DST in the mid-70s, it was a disaster. How soon we fofget.