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Apple Files Patent For a Crumb-Resistant MacBook Keyboard (digitaltrends.com)

According to a patent application made public on Thursday, March 8, Apple could be developing a new MacBook keyboard designed to prevent crumbs and dust from getting those super-shallow MacBook keys stuck. "Liquid ingress around the keys into the keyboard can damage electronics. Residues from such liquids may corrode or block electrical contacts, getting in the way of key movement and so on," the patent application reads. Digital Trends reports: The application goes on to describe how those problems might be remedied: With the careful application of gaskets, brushes, wipers, or flaps that block gaps beneath keycaps. One solution would include a membrane beneath each key, effectively insulating the interior of the keyboard from the exterior, while another describes using each keypress as a "bellows" to force contaminants out of the keyboard. "A keyboard assembly [could include] a substrate, a key cap, and a guard structure extending from the key cap that funnels contaminants away from the movement mechanism," the patent application reads.

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  1. design flaw by fluffernutter · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It was a design flaw to create a keyboard that couldn't be cleaned in the first place. More of Apple putting form over function. Besides.. there are laptops with waterproof keyboards already, how is a dust free keyboard even eligible for a new patent?

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    1. Re:design flaw by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 5, Funny

      Besides.. there are laptops with waterproof keyboards already, how is a dust free keyboard even eligible for a new patent?

      Most of these keyboards advertise that they are "spill resistant."

      This one from Apple is "crumb resistant."

      Also, while the others protect against spills, Apple's protects against "liquid ingress."

      Most keyboards only go up to 10. Apple's goes up to 11.

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    2. Re:design flaw by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It was a design flaw to create a keyboard that couldn't be cleaned in the first place. More of Apple putting form over function. Besides.. there are laptops with waterproof keyboards already, how is a dust free keyboard even eligible for a new patent?

      It was a design flaw for God to create you.

      Honestly, my work Samsung laptop has keys that are completely un-cleanable. It is also non-water-resistant, causing me to now have to carry-around an external keyboard, because the built-in keyboard now has a few non-functional keys, due to a spilled splash of coffee. And the laptop has to be disassembled down to the very last screw to replace the keyboard.

      Yes, I know Mac laptops are the same in the replacement needing almost complete disassembly. One of the few things I don't like about Apple's "unibody" laptop design.

    3. Re:design flaw by movdqa · · Score: 2

      I have a 2014 and the keyboard is fine. My next upgrade would be a 2015. No interest in a touch bar or a laptop without enough ports.

    4. Re:design flaw by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      ThinkPad keyboards have been liquid proof since the 90s. They have channels for the liquid to drain through. Tough book/Dynabook keyboards too.

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    5. Re:design flaw by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Apple started the island key bullshit. Flat tops so your fingers can't sense when they are well centred without feeling for the edges. Difficult to clean, very little travel or tactile feel... And more work to replace if it breaks.

      Lenovo had better, liquid proof keyboards in the 90s. They still do.

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    6. Re:design flaw by LordKronos · · Score: 2

      Most keyboards only go up to 10.

      God damn it, why the fuck didn't someone tell me this earlier? Apparently I've spent my entire life using substandard keyboards that only go up to 9.

  2. Prior art by Jeremi · · Score: 2

    This problem was 100% solved back in the 80's. C'mon Apple, do the courageous thing and follow suit!

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    1. Re:Prior art by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This isn't really the issue. It's the patent office.

      WTF is patentable about some vague concoction full of 'brushes, gaskets, wipers or flaps'? I thought patents were supposed to be about *specific* arrangements of various things to perform a function.

      That's the hard part, not 'hey, we could make a keyboard crumb proof' - which is what this appears to be about.

      Prior art, indeed.

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    2. Re:Prior art by Daetrin · · Score: 3, Informative

      Some more recent prior art, the OLPC project:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      And i'm sure those are far from the only examples.

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  3. Intentionally consumer-hostile design by sremick · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A better move would be to simply make the keyboard repairable/replaceable like other laptop manufacturers do. Instead, it's made part of the main chassis along with a glued-in battery which amounts to $260+ in parts alone, let alone an insane amount of labor, just to replace one of the 2 most-damaged parts of the laptop (the other being the screen, which they make cost 5X what it should in order to extort money from users that way too).

    No matter how crumb-resistant or liquid-resistant you try to make the keyboard, it's still going to need to get replaced often.

  4. How about bug resistant screens by labnet · · Score: 2

    My wifes imac had a bug crawl between the LCD and diffuser and promptly die. It was about 5 pixels big!
    Kudos to Apple for replacing it, but you think they could at least seal their screens to stop insects that are attracted to bright lights from crawling in there.

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    1. Re:How about bug resistant screens by pipingguy · · Score: 5, Funny

      Are you sure it was a bug and not a feature?

  5. Apple has solved their own problem. by berchca · · Score: 2

    MacBook users may rejoice, knowing that maybe their next $1,000+ computer won't have the same problems their current $1,000+ computer does...

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  6. Re:Been there, done that by Aighearach · · Score: 2

    My first home computer was a Timex/Sinclair 1000.

    Perhaps you saw a new device in the store, so it would make sense you thought it would keep out liquids. But that style of metalicized plastic dome tend to crack. The key thing to understand isn't that plastic can keep water out, it is that it can also keep it in. The foil tends to pinhole, and just using the computer in a cold room can cause condensation on the inside of the keys. It isn't the keys you press that stick, but when you press a key, then the most cracked nearby key will join the fun and stick!

    If you think you understand how awful that keyboard is just because you touched it and found out why they called it a "dead flesh" keyboard, you still have no idea.

    This is Apple, it isn't going to be ugly and poorly designed, it is going to be beautiful and poorly designed. So at least PC Jr level.