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Chinese Police Begin Tracking Citizens With Face-Recognizing Smart Glasses (reuters.com)

An anonymous reader quotes Reuters: At a highway check point on the outskirts of Beijing, local police are this week testing out a new security tool: smart glasses that can pick up facial features and car registration plates, and match them in real-time with a database of suspects. The AI-powered glasses, made by LLVision, scan the faces of vehicle occupants and the plates, flagging with a red box and warning sign to the wearer when any match up with a centralized "blacklist".

The test -- which coincides with the annual meeting of China's parliament in central Beijing -- underscores a major push by China's leaders to leverage technology to boost security in the country... Wu Fei, chief executive of LLVision, said people should not be worried about privacy concerns because China's authorities were using the equipment for "noble causes", catching suspects and fugitives from the law. "We trust the government," he told Reuters at the company's headquarters in Beijing.

This weekend while China's President Xi Jinping is expected to push through a reform allowing him to stay in power indefinitely, Reuters reports that the Chinese goverment is pushing the use of cutting-edge technology "to track and control behavior that goes against the interests of the ruling Communist Party online and in the wider world... A key concern is that blacklists could include a wide range of people stretching from lawyers and artists to political dissidents, charity workers, journalists and rights activists...

"The new technologies range from police robots for crowd control, to drones to monitor border areas, and artificially intelligent systems to track and censor behavior online," Reuters reports, citing one Hong Kong researcher who argues that China now sees internet and communication technologies "as absolutely indispensable tools of social and political control."

112 comments

  1. Here's to creative anarchy! by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

    Someone should start air-dropping portable EMP devices and jammers to dissidents in China.

    1. Re:Here's to creative anarchy! by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 2

      and we can roll out Tank Man 9000 and see how well they work ageist them

    2. Re:Here's to creative anarchy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just as long as we don't meddle in their elections, right?

    3. Re:Here's to creative anarchy! by fafalone · · Score: 0

      Because it's only bad when China does it right. NYPD, to name one, isn't using (and abusing) facial recognition cameras. The US needs EMPs too!

    4. Re: Here's to creative anarchy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean drop supplies to CIA operatives and saboteurs?

    5. Re:Here's to creative anarchy! by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      Agreed 100% about the US.

    6. Re:Here's to creative anarchy! by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      Someone is looking to get them killed? It's fairly easy to track such devices in a society where community level spying and informing is commonplace.

    7. Re:Here's to creative anarchy! by Luckyo · · Score: 4, Informative

      You do not understand systemic differences. In China, law is applied different both on executive and judiciary level. Protections you get in US do not exist. Where protections exist, they are applied selectively.

      Example: In US, if there's a suspicion of drug use in a private club, police has to go through a long process to obtain a warrant, and even then doesn't have ability to just mass incarcerate everyone inside. In China the normal way to handle such suspicion is to simply go in, detain everyone and force everyone in the club to pee in a test cup while policeman is watching. And if you fail, legal system will crush you, as China's legal system absolutely abhors drug users.

    8. Re: Here's to creative anarchy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who gets to decide what the law is and burden of proof is?

      In China, it's the government and some magistrate or judge.

      In the US, it's a Jury.

      The chinese are stuck in dynasty thinking where everything and everyone has a purpose and a place or it doesn't need to exist. The US on the other hand experiments. Sometimes it goes well, sometimes it doesn't.

    9. Re:Here's to creative anarchy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't even hate Trump for being the rich equivalent of Joe Six Pack (kinda like it TBH and everyone else with their fainting couches only enhances my enjoyment), but this sounds like one of the crazy ideas Trump would tweet in the middle of the night!

    10. Re:Here's to creative anarchy! by fafalone · · Score: 2

      And you do not understand the rampant abuses and rubber-stamp-warrant system in the US. Mass facial recognition is being used by US police forces without a warrant. Same with LPRs. And speaking of ridiculous drug searches, police without a warrant detained and searched an entire school and searched so invasively on school children there's currently sexual assault lawsuits over it. China being worse doesn't mean our own rights abuses aren't appalling.

    11. Re:Here's to creative anarchy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Example: In US, if there's a suspicion of drug use in a private club, police has to go through a long process to obtain a warrant, and even then doesn't have ability to just mass incarcerate everyone inside.

      Except when the suspect is black, then in the US the police can just shoot him and be done with it.

      Yeah, so much better.

    12. Re:Here's to creative anarchy! by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      In China, if foreign person (not suspect, just person) is black, police will routinely visit his apartment in the middle of the night, and spend an hour or two going through his papers and his belongings.

      Process repeats every few months.

      You US folks really need to get out of your country to get some perspective if you think you have it bad.

    13. Re:Here's to creative anarchy! by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      When you have a thread about China, and you're ignorant enough to make a direct comparison to US and then suggest that US is bad, you need a serious reality check.

      I recommend learning basics of the language, and then spending at least half a year living and working in the country. It will give you perspective on just how deeply naive your view is.

    14. Re:Here's to creative anarchy! by fafalone · · Score: 1

      If you're black in America police will routinely stop and search you just for walking down the street. NYPD abused this even further, by ordering people to empty their pockets, to circumvent policies blocking pot arrests, by claiming that when (almost all minority) suspects followed an order to empty their pockets, they were now guilty of the more serious crime of having pot in public view.
      Police routinely gun down unarmed people who pose no physical threat. Our federal government got caught routing US citizens communications overseas despite a domestic endpoint to circumvent policy on warrantless surveillance. Protests against politicians are often limited to small caged "free speech zones" a mile away from the event (fully covered by warrantless facial recognition). Our prison population beats every other country on earth per capita, even your reviled China.
      You're the one that needs some perspective, because it doesn't matter how many instances of other countries behaving worse that you point out, the US still routinely abuses civil rights in violation of their own laws. Your argument seems to be "oh, well in China they shoot you in the head, so it's perfectly ok that police in the US just beat you into a coma".

    15. Re:Here's to creative anarchy! by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      In China, on the streets a black person is automatically a suspect. You won't just have problems with police. You'll have old men from the age of Cultural Revolution who will follow you when they see you on the street, and when they think you're doing something suspicious, they'll report you to the police.

      Who will likely detain you for a few hours for questioning.

      The fact that you think even remotely that US is in the same ballpark when it comes to human rights as China, or heck, playing the same game, you're beyond naive. Get out of US and see the world for yourself. Because you're desperately in need of a reality check.

    16. Re:Here's to creative anarchy! by fafalone · · Score: 1

      You're letting even more severe abuses blind you to intolerable lesser abuses. Every comment I've affirmed China being a greater offender. But you're excusing severe abuses. You're *still* trying to argue your basic premise that entity x being more evil than entity y excuses the fact that entity y is still fundamentally evil. And that's absurd. Get out of your bubble and see what life is like for the poor and minorities here. The rights abuses are severe and China being worse doesn't excuse it.
      Your comparisons are also faltering, with every example you approach closer parity to US circumstances. The cultural revolution will follow and report you for 'suspicious behavior' huh? You mean to a T exactly what happens to black people who walk around rich white neighborhoods in the US?

    17. Re:Here's to creative anarchy! by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      You're still missing the forest for the trees. In US, no matter how horrible you view the "racist" offences as, there's always systemic redress available. Even for foreign nationals who commit serious offences. The legal code and court system actually grant people inalienable rights and when these rights are violated, redress through judiciary is available.

      In China, not only are abuses far more horrible, but there is no redress whatsoever. If you're a foreigner in China and you get in trouble with the system, no matter how arbitrary it is, unless you're an A-class foreigner under new rules, you'll either go to jail, or get thrown out of the country and banned from re-entering, or both. If you're A-class foreigner and your Chinese sponsor vouches for you, you may be able to be spared the consequences, because that is how legal system works in China.

    18. Re:Here's to creative anarchy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, when a cop kills you in the US for being black, your orphan kids can file a complaint.

    19. Re:Here's to creative anarchy! by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      Correct. And if that actually happened, he'll go to jail. That is how modern Western justice system works for everyone. Doesn't need to be the cop or the dad. We have consequences for certain criminal actions, and when said criminal actions are committed, there's legal redress for the victims.

      It's the best humanity has had by the huge margin.

    20. Re:Here's to creative anarchy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hahaha, you're so funny.

    21. Re:Here's to creative anarchy! by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      Which system would you suggest that actually worked in human history that would be a better one?

    22. Re:Here's to creative anarchy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't your system already perfect though? Or are you admitting now all your allegations are bogus and America is the shithole we all know it is...

    23. Re:Here's to creative anarchy! by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      You didn't answer the question.

    24. Re:Here's to creative anarchy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do I care what either system is? You're just trying to change the topic, now you realise the US doesn't live up to the idealised version you saw on tv.

    25. Re:Here's to creative anarchy! by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      You still didn't answer the question.

    26. Re:Here's to creative anarchy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're still avoiding the topic. America isn't really like you claim.

    27. Re:Here's to creative anarchy! by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      It's a good thing I don't have to care about "America's likes and dislikes". And the fact that you consistently refuse to answer a question central to your claims demonstrates your awareness of the fact that your claims are false.

  2. Time for a summit by the US leadership and China by Khan_Singh · · Score: 0

    This is an outrageous trampling of civil rights on the part of China. Our leadership will definitely need to have a long talk with China about how to make said trampling work here. They have to be prepared for the post-Trump mandate they will have to make massive changes to our country.

  3. Watched season 2 of Black Mirror a couple weeks by waspleg · · Score: 1

    ago. This is right out of the season finale.

    1. Re:Watched season 2 of Black Mirror a couple weeks by gweihir · · Score: 1

      While everybody is asleep, evil seeps back into the world and takes over. China is just a bit ahead of the others.

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  4. Facial disguises soon to come by Snotnose · · Score: 1

    Hollywood does a damned good job, but how long before some company sells cotton balls that will stay comfortably in your cheeks for hours at a time, or shit, I dunno, wigs, eye glasses. Be fun to see the Chinese RaceYouToTheBottom companies try to keep up with Chinese surveillance, and watch lessons learned be sold here in the good ol U S of A.

    1. Re:Facial disguises soon to come by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Hollywood does a damned good job, but how long before some company sells cotton balls that will stay comfortably in your cheeks for hours at a time, or shit, I dunno, wigs, eye glasses.

      Your suggestions prove you don't know anything about facial recognition tech, which uses points on the face which cannot be changed by
      the methods you suggest.

    2. Re:Facial disguises soon to come by sheramil · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I wonder how much trouble you'd get into if you wore an obvious papercraft mask with a photo of your own face photoshopped onto the front.

      It strikes me as one of those "ain't I clever" as you peer out between the prison bars kind of deals.

    3. Re:Facial disguises soon to come by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  5. "Security" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That word apparently is a euphemism in China for "ensuring none of the work-units (aka human beings) have anything even remotely resembling civil rights". How much of a shithole is China to live in? How long with >1 billion people put up with shit like this before there is a bloody revolt? Or will China go the way of al-Assad and just kill their own citizens wholesale? Seriously, how can our species call itself "civilized" when, in 2018, we have shit like the above going on in the world? Rhetorical question; we're NOT civilized, we're violent animals with toys. And guns. And bombs. And, apparently, we don't give a flying fuck about anyone.

    1. Re:"Security" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How long with >1 billion people put up with shit like this

      As long as the economy is growing.

    2. Re: "Security" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Having lived in China, the average citizen does not feel oppressed and is quite proud of the country. On the surface it actually feels more "free" than the US. All the "don't signs" are gone or are free to ignore, you can walk on the grass, park in any free spot at any time, do a u-turn absolutely anywhere, no ID checks to buy beer or cigarettes. But challenge the government, yeah not a wise thing to do.

    3. Re: "Security" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Having lived in China, Japan, and Singapore, I cannot warn people enough of the shithole country. If your idea of freedom is the freedom to spit or shit all over the place, yeah, go live there.

    4. Re: "Security" by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 2

      Having lived in China, the average citizen does not feel oppressed and is quite proud of the country.

      China should crowdsource this operation and provide these glasses to average citizens and open access for all to the database. With cash prizes for catching criminals!

      Then, anyone can make some spare money on the side while helping law enforcement by playing "Amateur Glasshole Bounty Hunter".

      Of course, Google has probably already patented "Amateur Glasshole Bounty Hunter", so China will need to pay some royalties to them.

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    5. Re: "Security" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People get oppressed by "freedom" and "dreams" too. Just different flavours of much of the same. Most people are slaves or worse in most countries these days, not owners of their own land and equipment.

    6. Re: "Security" by crimson+tsunami · · Score: 1

      They could make it like Pokémon Go.
      Gotta Catch 'Em All

    7. Re: "Security" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Considering the history of China, they will probably never revolt. They've been occupied by tyrants for centuries, they never did anything. Before the communists, they were being dominated by a small group of people.

  6. Civil liberties and all, but... by helpfulcorn · · Score: 2

    How are they pulling this off technically? I can't imagine what sort of queries you'd need to do for facial recognition, and how many per second in a sea of people? Are they getting good results or is it just timing out on most people or what?

    1. Re:Civil liberties and all, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you aren't saying some people all look alike are you?

    2. Re:Civil liberties and all, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's not actually that hard. A good few years ago I came across a facial recognition platform called Predator and that was using much older tech. I imagine the glasses are just the imaging and display component, the actual computation will be done somewhere else and wirelessly transmitted. Glyph recognition can find a basic face shape easily, this reduces the computation involved significantly as it can focus the attention on to just the face part of the image feed.

      There's lots of computation involved, sure, but there's LOTS of computation power at anyones disposal these days. I got a Predator-like system "working" on a RasPi. Wasn't quick but it did work.

    3. Re:Civil liberties and all, but... by BlueUnderwear · · Score: 1

      Glyph recognition can find a basic face shape easily

      Indeed, even on their low-res image you can spot where the face is...

      this reduces the computation involved significantly as it can focus the attention on to just the face part of the image feed.

      hmm, but given that poor image, I doubt they'd manage recognizing who it is in the picture.

      --
      Say no to software patents.
    4. Re:Civil liberties and all, but... by zmooc · · Score: 1

      I doubt they'd manage recognizing who it is in the picture.

      I think they can; after only a few seconds, they can probably obtain tens of usable images from various viewpoints. And they can probably factor in many other data they have about people such as where they live as well as recent other recognitions in the area. Perhaps it's even easier if they just track everybody always everywhere... and if they use spy satellites and autonomous imaging drones over their major cities, they can probably track everybody that can be seen from above, making all this so much easier.

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  7. Well...thaaanks Google! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's likely the government would have balked at this tracking if their cops only had access to the traditional "alternatives:" pointing regular camera-type devices at people or waving phones or tablets around instead of putting more useful things to occupy their gun-hands.
    This smartglass idea would not have been such low-hanging fruit for world governments without the... "courageous"... example / notoriety of Google's Glass experiment gracing our streets and bars some years ago.

    It's a shame that although China's authorities will use this stuff and slowly be copied virally elsewhere (think cryptocoin clone fads, disappearing headphone jacks, Apple notches)... we, the civilian normies in "free" societies just can't fight the stigmas of trying to use smartglasses in the post-Glass era... Google's business goals and poor execution made sure to tarnish a potentially-useful concept even for private tasks. Think of the ever-worsening situation with civilian drones.
    Meanwhile, it's a win for China's panopticon... over there, it isn't a big cultural change and things won't turn sour the way they did here. If it does turn sour, well, "they" know who *you* are now and will have an easier path of retaliation... at least when you're not in profile angle, low-light, dark eyewear and facial hair circumstances ;)

    1. Re:Well...thaaanks Google! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You kidding? Orwellian surveillance *is* Google's business goal. Any 'life improvement' caused by their products is simply the bait necessary to get people to willingly participate, given their lack of ability to legally force people to carry smartphones etc. (No matter though, since it's a more effective form of compliance assurance than governmental coercion anyway).

      Miniluv could never be a government agency, at least not in America.

  8. Glasses respond by PPH · · Score: 2, Funny

    Arr rook same!

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    1. Re:Glasses respond by Tablizer · · Score: 2

      Ethnic groups that one is not familiar with indeed do look "the same". One's brain is simply not trained to process differences in the new group due to lack of exposure.

    2. Re:Glasses respond by denzacar · · Score: 2

      At billion point five people, one in a million false positive means 1500 faces will "Arr rook same!"
      Or about this many people.

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      Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
    3. Re:Glasses respond by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know why you got modded down. Your theory seems consistent with what I know of human learning, and I'm not seeing how it's offensive (although, today, what is offensive is more about who takes the offense than what was actually said or done). Everyone is so fucking sensitive.

  9. The chinese copper with these glasses says... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's a nice bike. He then takes off his glasses and has glowing red eyes.,

  10. Said the guy selling this tech to the police by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "We trust the government," wow, really

    1. Re:Said the guy selling this tech to the police by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Indeed. About the most extremely stupid state a citizen can be in.

      --
      Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
  11. Well, duh! by GerryGilmore · · Score: 1

    Combine a Communist Dictatorship with an economy dedicated to controlling the world and.....
    I distinctly recall people telling us "why they would need hundreds of thousands of censors to control the internet in China!"
    Guess what? They did just that.

  12. Re: Watched season 2 of Black Mirror a couple week by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's right out of books I read 30 years ago.

  13. Re:And how is this different from what the USA doe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    always with the whataboutism

    there isn't much difference. that doesn't mean china gets a pass.

  14. China is great at people control. by SysEngineer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The difference between America and China is in the US, the government watches the peoples money to control them but China is still heavy cash based so they have to use watching people to control the population. Once China becomes more plastic cash card oriented they will not have to use the cameras as much.
    America is car based but China is more pedestrian. That is why US police cars have cameras that have license plate recognition and China has facial recognition. Do not worry America, soon the police body cams will have face recognition.

    1. Re:China is great at people control. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The body cameras that the majority of people seem to be clamouring for.

      Seek and you shall find an awful lot more than you ever wanted. So much more than you want.

    2. Re:China is great at people control. by crimson+tsunami · · Score: 3, Informative

      China have already skipped plastic and gone straight to mobile payments. Stick 'China mobile payments' in your favorite search engine and see for yourself. Even beggars/buskers in the street prefer mobile payments.
      China also has massive numbers of cameras taking pictures of cars on just about every road you could imagine. And they have lots of cars.

    3. Re:China is great at people control. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must never have been in China or spoken to a Chinese person I guess.
      China is miles and miles ahead of any western country in terms of payment processing.
      All but the smallest food stalls in far off rural places use Alipay or Wechat Pay (Tencent). For everything. Perhaps some old people prefer cash, I wouldn't know.
      Chinese think cash is dirty and will avoid it at all costs. Subway fares are one of the final remnants that still use cash and even they are starting to change.

    4. Re:China is great at people control. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can buy the subway tokens with Alipay or Wechat Pay too.

  15. tl;dr BUTT.... by CyberRacer · · Score: 0

    Why? What is so important about everyone else that you have to have the ability .. Let alone time to run EVERYbody elses life... Wtf... Get a clue.... Sing, dance, learb to play an unstrument.. SOMEthing..grow... Destruction is easy... Creation is a bitch. Personaly .. I prefer bitches to ho's. Just a.. Not sayin that i dont like hos....... .... Im straite . Mmmmmmmpuuuuuussssssayyyyy tatst .. Ill shut up now.

    1. Re: tl;dr BUTT.... by CyberRacer · · Score: 0

      Did I mention that Im kunda srubk.. Drubk. ..nm...Have a nice dat...

  16. Re: Watched season 2 of Black Mirror a couple week by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Waldo moment? Only the very end is similar. Just wait, the next step for the Chinese is Metal Head, fully automatic dissident hunting.

  17. $$$$$$Waste by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OF MONEY$$$$$$$

  18. Remember Huawei? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For all those people saying that Huawei phones were not more dangerous than any other phones, remember they come from a state where government intervention in telecommunication companies is required.

    And that government does things like this and also this:

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/chinas-new-tool-for-social-control-a-credit-rating-for-everything

    https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/2015/10/in-china-your-credit-score-is-now-affected-by-your-political-opinions-and-your-friends-political-opinions/

    1. Re:Remember Huawei? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fear not, the US government will never find out what pages you 'liked' on facebook...

  19. Double Visioned? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/18/02/08/0542205/police-in-china-are-scanning-travelers-with-facial-recognition-glasseson

    Double-visioned much?

  20. Authoritarian behaviour by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... We trust the government," he told Reuters ...

    ... to buy a lot of his surveillance product.

    People must indeed trust their government. Alas, China has shown that they will abuse almost anybody in the name of government. Their authoritarian behaviour varies little from the USA: China is willing to plant its jackboot on the majority of the population.. To be fair, cameras in public are not new in most countries and tend to not qualify as 'fishing', since it is searching for known criminals; or in China's case, 'criminals'.

  21. I know how to handle this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've got a degree in AI... believe it or not... and I've seen enough in this field to know precisely what can be done.

    Just go upstairs! Those ED-209's cant climb stairs hardly at all! Or Daleks come to think of it but those are more cyborg than robot..

  22. In Capitalist China... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    state glassholes YOU.

  23. If the resolution is as bad as the photo shown... by BlueUnderwear · · Score: 1

    ... then the "suspects and fugitives from the law" don't have anything to fear...

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  24. Database of subjects... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or COLLECTING a database of Americans and any other foreigners.

  25. US does it too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So Geek Squad sifting through your files isn't just as bad? Or many major cities using similar technology at airports and subways? Tell me where you can go in a major population center that does not have camera's everywhere that may indeed to be accessed by many authorities. Yeah, maybe the US is not China yet, but clearly we have to potential to become one.

  26. Good job Ivan keep trolling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well done Ivan, nearly had us believing you. If you knew the first thing about America it should be the selective policing, pulling people over for driving while black etc. Stop and frisk (if you're black obviously) and separate rules for the poor and rich.

    1. Re: Good job Ivan keep trolling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The irony of a Russian troll calling you a Russian troll.

    2. Re: Good job Ivan keep trolling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The metairony of invoking recursion in attribution?

      none of you belong here.

    3. Re:Good job Ivan keep trolling by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      In China, black foreigners get routine midnight visits in their homes from the jackbooted police officers. Who will go through your papers and if they find it necessary, your belongings. There is no recourse for this - they are fully within their rights to do so, and you're legally required to register your home address with your local police.

      On the streets, it's not just the police who'll grab you every once in a while. The locals themselves will do it. Actively. Blacks are treated like complete and utter human refuse in China. If you're black, you should learn the basics of the language and then visit for a few months. You'll find out what word "racism" actually means.

      P.S. Just how pathetically insular are you to think that people who come from outside US and aren't just cursing US for being bad are "Russian trolls"?

    4. Re:Good job Ivan keep trolling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's funny to see how Americans are so 'all knowing' that they know so much about China, which they have never been to, but don't seem to realise anything about their own country, which they live in every day.

  27. Forwarned is forearmed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    'China now sees internet and communication technologies "as absolutely indispensable tools of social and political control.'

    So do Google, Facebook, Amazon, etc. etc. . .

  28. Chinese Facial Recognition Computer Crashes by CRB9000 · · Score: 1

    After being online for less than 15 minutes, the computer that controls the Chinese governments Facial Recognition system crashed. The computer, exasperated reported:

    "Fatal Error 70013 - They All Look the Same"

  29. I recommend not being so naive yourself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Especially when trying to point out the naivete of others. Half a year living and working in which country? Because both are much more diverse than you seem to understand. You could easily live and work for much longer and have absolutely no understanding of either country outside you little 'get up, go to work, do job, go home' bubble.

    1. Re:I recommend not being so naive yourself by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      Not in China. Issues I'm talking about are in your face in such a harsh fashion, you could not avoid them without living in a literal ivory tower.

      The fact that you cannot even imagine a society where these issues would be so "in your face" that you could not ignore them if you had to live and work within this society, even if you maintained your general social bubble merely reinforces my earlier point of your deep naivete on just how different China is from US on the most basic levels of human interaction.

    2. Re:I recommend not being so naive yourself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes coming from a culture where black people are stopped and frisked on every street corner, you wouldn't understand the amount of criminal stuff Chinese people do right in the face of cops there without even receiving a second glance. It's not at all like your naive propaganda is like. You should go their sometime and see for yourself.

    3. Re:I recommend not being so naive yourself by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      Of course. Because they're Chinese and the system favours them in some ways. And there's still no redress if you have been actually wronged by the system.

      Did you not notice at all that my entire complaint was about the fact that people here do not even understand that the system is dramatically different, and as such not comparable?

    4. Re:I recommend not being so naive yourself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The system favors the 99.999% of people in China that are Chinese? So it favors everyone except your hypothetical black person wandering through.
      Yep completely different to the US system, where only rich white people are favored.
      The more bullshit you post, the more similar the 2 countries become. Keep this up and no one will be able to tell which country is which.

    5. Re:I recommend not being so naive yourself by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      1. You're completely wrong on China's ethnic situation. Han are nowhere close to 99.999%
      2. "Hypothetical" black person? Are you suggesting that African gastarbeiters and African envoys of various types are "hypothetical people" and not actual real living people?
      3. US system can and does convict rich people for the same crimes as poor people, using the same legal code. If you knew anything about the history, you'd know that this is a very novel invention in humanity, where traditionally aristocratic class live under both de facto and de jure different legal code. Which also applies in China.

      Considering that literally every single point you made is factually wrong, are you sure you want to try to continue flinging shit in hopes that some of it will stick? Because all it does is show the depth of your ignorance on the subject.

    6. Re:I recommend not being so naive yourself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      US system can and does convict rich people for the same crimes as poor people, using the same legal code.

      You must be trolling or high to believe such nonsense.

    7. Re:I recommend not being so naive yourself by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      You must be utterly unaware of the system and basic principles on which it is built to not believe it.

    8. Re:I recommend not being so naive yourself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You rely on your ivory tower theories. But back in the real world, it's just not true at all. You're about to get a known torturer as head of the CIA ffs.

    9. Re:I recommend not being so naive yourself by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      The fact that you don't even understand the difference between judicial and executive pretty much underscores just how little knowledge you actually have.

    10. Re:I recommend not being so naive yourself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh I didn't realize all your torturers were in the executive branch and all the judicial branch are saints.
      Yes only a few bad apples, it's no like there's systemic disregard for laws and the constitution, it's just that one time, honest.
      You have even less idea about America than you do China, and you were clueless about that.

  30. pot + kettle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In America, on the streets a black person is automatically a suspect. You won't just have problems with police. You'll have old women from the Bingo club who will follow you when they see you on the street, and when they think you're doing something suspicious, they'll report you to the police.

    Who will likely detain you for a few hours for questioning.

    The fact that you think even remotely that China is in the same ballpark when it comes to human rights as America, or heck, playing the same game, you're beyond naive. Get out and see the US for yourself. Because you're desperately in need of a reality check.

    1. Re:pot + kettle by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      I understand your views and I will stop casting pearls before the swine.

  31. the irony is strong with you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yep, America will never be dominated by a small group, say .01% of people, will they.

    Keep On Voting !!

  32. Those pearls, are fakes. You get them in China? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You don't understand shit. If you did, you would know most parts of China don't even have any black people to oppress. So it's rather unlikely you would be seeing it in your day to day work life.

  33. Luckyo has cured American racism !! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What a fucking imbecile you must be. Asking you what your favorite colour is will have no bearing on the sky being blue.My prefered system of government/court structure or any other distraction will not change the fact America is not the ideal you claim it to be. If you can't see the facts as clearly as everyone else can, maybe you need to get your glasses fixed or actually visit America and see for yourself how unjust the system in actuality is. Not your fantasy version of it.

    1. Re:Luckyo has cured American racism !! by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      It always feels good to hit the nerve of an asshole like you.

    2. Re:Luckyo has cured American racism !! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's always funny to watch idiots twist in the wind and try to change the topic when even they realise they were clueless. But still can't admit they were wrong.