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Report Says Radioactive Monitors Failed at Nuclear Plant (apnews.com)

A new report says mistakes and mismanagement are to blame for the exposure of workers to radioactive particles at the Hanford Nuclear Reservation in Washington state. From the report: Contractor CH2M Hill Plateau Remediation on Thursday released its evaluation of what went wrong in December during demolition of the nuclear reservation's highly contaminated Plutonium Finishing Plant. The Tri-City Herald reports the study said primary radioactive air monitors used at a highly hazardous Hanford project failed to detect contamination. Then, when the spread of contamination was detected, the report said steps taken to contain it didn't fully work.

At least 11 Hanford workers checked since mid-December inhaled or ingested small amounts of radioactive particles. Private and government vehicles were contaminated with radioactive particles. The sprawling site in southeastern Washington contains more than 50 million gallons of radioactive and toxic wastes in underground storage tanks. It's owned by the U.S. Department of Energy, which hires private contractors to manage the cleanup work. Hanford was established during World War II and made the plutonium for the atomic bomb dropped on Nagasaki, Japan. The 560-square mile site also made most of the plutonium for the nation's nuclear arsenal during the Cold War.

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  1. Bad title... by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "Nuclear plant" makes it seem like it's a nuclear power plant. The nuclear power industry in the US has been extremely safe, and subject to extreme safeguards, to the point of unprofitability.

    No, Hanford is a former military plutonium production facility, dating from the early 1940s -- things were done hastily at first due to WW2, then without good oversight and often without knowing better. They made a hell of a radioactive mess that will take decades to clean up, assuming we can find a place to put the waste (WIPP in NM needs to open).

    If you're on the West Coast and worry about Fukushima, stop worrying, and start worrying about Hanford. If an old tank full of 50 year old radwaste (which is often nitrate-based, and thus also explosive) fails, it will be nasty.

    1. Re:Bad title... by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 4, Informative

      EDIT: There is actually a commercial nuclear oower plant on the Hanford site, but that isn't the problem.

    2. Re:Bad title... by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2

      Bad title because the monitors aren't radioactive (we hope!).

      Radiation Monitors, maybe.

      Radioactivity Monitors works.

      Radioactive monitors? Shows that neither submitter nor editor has a clue, at best....

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    3. Re:Bad title... by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The nuclear power industry in the US has been extremely safe, and subject to extreme safeguards, to the point of unprofitability.

      You can't call it safe until the waste has been safely managed. Until the waste has been interred someplace sensible, nobody knows how safe nuclear will have turned out to be.

      If you're on the West Coast and worry about Fukushima, stop worrying, and start worrying about Hanford. If an old tank full of 50 year old radwaste (which is often nitrate-based, and thus also explosive) fails, it will be nasty.

      I can worry about two things at once! Three, if you count my ulcer.

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    4. Re:Bad title... by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2

      The high-level waste from commercial power that needs to be interred is a relatively small volume and solid. Dry-cask storage or reprocessing will work in the interim -- it's not going into the environment.

    5. Re:Bad title... by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 5, Informative

      You can't call it safe until the waste has been safely managed. Until the waste has been interred someplace sensible, nobody knows how safe nuclear will have turned out to be.

      The kind of radioactive waste you're talking about isn't really "waste", since it can be processed to remove the elements that poison fission reactions and then turned back into perfectly functional fuel rods.

      And never mind the possibilities inherent in breeder reactors, which can turn U-238 (for which read: most of the uranium in a civilian reactor) and turn it into a useful fissionable.

      Alas, the anti-nuke hysterics have pretty much eliminated the possibility of reprocessing spent fuel rods, so we dump a metric-fuckton of usable uranium into cooling tanks, let it sit for decades (or forever, since the anti-nukes have fought tooth and nail to prevent the building of reprocessing facilities), then throw it away

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    6. Re:Bad title... by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      The kind of radioactive waste you're talking about isn't really "waste", since it can be processed to remove the elements that poison fission reactions and then turned back into perfectly functional fuel rods.

      Even where they do reprocess fuel, you don't get to reprocess all of it, and the waste from reprocessing is nasty af.

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    7. Re:Bad title... by blindseer · · Score: 2, Informative

      Don't equate the failure of a plant processing nuclear weapons waste with a plant that is processing nuclear power waste. Anyone that can think should be justifiably suspicious of people that need to use the failure of a military weapon producing plant to prevent contamination to argue against civilian nuclear power.

      Nuclear power is in fact very safe. I'll see opinion articles mention the deaths caused by mining uranium and such as a case against nuclear power but make no mention of how many deaths there are from wind and solar power. This is lying by omission. If people want to make the case against nuclear power then they need to make an honest assessment of how dangerous the alternatives would be by comparison.

      Go ahead, show me how dangerous nuclear power is compared to wind, solar, natural gas, or whatever else you believe should replace it. I already know the numbers. I saw them here:
      https://www.nextbigfuture.com/...

      We should be moving to nuclear power based on lives saved alone. It's ability to compete on price with solar is another reason to use it. My source:
      https://www.lazard.com/perspec...

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    8. Re:Bad title... by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 3, Informative

      You do realize this is not nuclear power plant waste, but rather cold war era waste that was never properly stored to start with? Commercial nuclear fuel waste is much much easier to deal with.

    9. Re:Bad title... by MachineShedFred · · Score: 3, Informative

      while nasty, it's also relatively short-lived in comparison to unprocessed waste (hundreds of years rather than tens of thousands) and very small volume in comparison to unprocessed waste. You're removing the 1-2% of really nasty shit that prevents the other 98% of fuel from being used.

      That 2% of really nasty shit can then be vitrified to make it easier to handle and store for the orders of magnitude less time until it becomes essentially inert.

      Now only if we were actually doing that.
       

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    10. Re:Bad title... by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      Don't equate the failure of a plant processing nuclear weapons waste with a plant that is processing nuclear power waste. Anyone that can think should be justifiably suspicious of people that need to use the failure of a military weapon producing plant to prevent contamination to argue against civilian nuclear power.

      Nobody is doing that. Someone brought up a point, and I addressed it.

      Nuclear power is in fact very safe. I'll see opinion articles mention the deaths caused by mining uranium and such as a case against nuclear power but make no mention of how many deaths there are from wind and solar power.

      Wind and solar power mostly kill installers and maintenance personnel. Nuclear is harmful to everyone, like coal. And again, you still don't get to call it safe until the waste is safely managed, which it mostly ain't. It's just sitting around waiting for something bad to happen.

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  2. Bad title indeed by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 2

    If your monitors are radioactive, safely dispose of them and buy new ones!

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  3. Wow by ArtemaOne · · Score: 2

    You look absolutely radiant today

  4. Re:Lets hope this gets more funding for Transatomi by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If the Transatomic design just converts the waste to energy that can solve many scenario's.

    The Transatomic design doesn't do anything yet, and clean nuclear energy is always 10 years away. Also, Leslie Dewan is mostly famous for being famous at this point. She's the engineering equivalent of a Kardashian until she actually gets one of her products to market.

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  5. So, what kind of contamination? by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2

    Alpha emitters (like Plutonium) are generally a non-issue for practical purposes. You might get cancer 30 years from now if the stuff is in your lungs. Or not. But no acute effects.

    Betas are worse, but I can't think of anything that should be emitting betas in a nuclear facility.

    Now gammas are, relatively speaking, killers. Off the top of my head, I can't think of any gamma-emitters associated with nuclear power, but we're not really talking nuclear power here, we're talking nuclear weapon production. Which takes a special kind of reactor, with its own, special, problems....

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    1. Re:So, what kind of contamination? by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2

      Actually, alphas pretty bad if they get inside you. Alphas are stopped by skin inside the body, but once they get incorporated into bone or bone marrow, the alpha particles get to interact directly with cancer-prone cells. Bad news.

      So eating or breathing in alpha emitters is still not recommended.

    2. Re:So, what kind of contamination? by MrKaos · · Score: 2

      I suggest the thing you are missing is these studies all refer to purified plutonium. They don't cover the oxide or chloride of Plutonium which can be organically bound *inside* the body.

      You don't expect the body to digest pure iron, it's ingested as an oxide, the same is true for plutonium. You can't ignore important details as if they don't exist. That just implies you have a political agenda.

      The important thing to remember about isotope decay is it is the inverse of Euler's constant when it is unbound and four times that when it is organically bound. This suggest that a lot more alpha/beta/gamma radiation is absorbed when a radio-isotope is organically bound in the body.

      It seems to me that you are attempting to mislead and manipulate people and I'd suggest your posts are more nuclear PR than information. If I can see through it, anybody can.

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  6. How is this possible? by EETech1 · · Score: 2

    How can you decontaminate a nuclear waste site, and not have functioning radiation detection?

    Wouldn't you think there would have to be 100 different monitors around the area between workers, and equipment, the existing facility monitors, and safety systems for the area?

  7. Re:radioactive monitors? by munch117 · · Score: 2

    See, there's the problem: They should have bought regular monitors, not radioactive ones. They tend to decay over time.

  8. Phew! by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

    For a moment I thought the headline read “Report Says Radioactive Monsters Failed at Nuclear Plant”.

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  9. Airborne particle detectors did not fail by blindseer · · Score: 2

    But the monitors did not detect airborne contamination in December, possibly because some of the particles that spread were too heavy to stay aloft.

    They are calling it a "failure" of the airborne particle detectors to detect particles that were not in the air. If the particles are not in the air then people aren't going to breathe them in. It might collect on the soles of their boots but if they are licking the soles of their boots then they need to be checked for mental issues first, then radiation contamination second.

    It sounds like there were failures in managing the spread of radioactive material but this mention of a "failure" of airborne particle detectors is not one of them.

    Radiation is everywhere and if we are going to regulate its spread then we need to have sane regulations. If Grand Central Station were a nuclear power plant then it would be shutdown for exceeding the annual acceptable dose of radiation for employees.
    https://io9.gizmodo.com/grand-...

    We need to take another look at our regulation of radioactive material. If it is as dangerous as the law says it is then we need to close off Grand Central Station and declare it a superfund site. If Grand Central Station is in fact safe to inhabit then so should any other place with an equivalent level of radioactivity.

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