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Dial P for Privacy: The Phone Booth Is Back (nytimes.com)

As mobile phone use exploded and the pay phone was increasingly linked to crime, the booth began to disappear. But things are appear to be changing. From a report: Now, the phone booth -- or at least a variation of it -- is making a modest comeback. When the women-only club and work space The Wing opened its first location in the Flatiron neighborhood of Manhattan in October of 2016, the interior featured marble tables, pink velvet couches, and one small, windowless, reflective glass-doored room dubbed the Phone Booth. One year later, when another location of The Wing opened in Soho, eight built-in, glass-doored call rooms were included in the design. [...]

Other companies that have recently purchased Zenbooths include Volkswagen, Lyft, Meetup and Capital One. The Berkeley, Calif., company was launched in 2016, and its products range from $3,995 (for a standard one-person booth) to $15,995 (for a two-person "executive" booth). The one-person booth is a soundproof, eco-friendly, American-made box that's about 36 inches wide and 34 inches deep, with an insulated glass door, a ventilation fan, power outlets and a skylight -- and it can be assembled in roughly an hour. (It does not, however, contain an actual phone.) Sam Johnson, a co-founder of the company, said it produced "hundreds" of Zenbooths a month in 2017. This year, it's on track to quadruple that production. But he doesn't call them phone booths. "We're manufacturing quiet spaces and privacy," he said.

Zenbooth is not the only free-standing office phone booth in the game. Companies like Cubicall, Nomad, and TalkBox, among others, are offering up solutions to the modern office's privacy problem.

110 comments

  1. Sexism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    > the women-only club and work space The Wing opened . . .

    This is sexist.

    People would protest a men-only club even though many groups of men have no special access for being male and many women do for being female.

    1. Re:Sexism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I ran a club and said no blacks or Jews allowed I rightfully be chastised.

    2. Re:Sexism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > the women-only club and work space The Wing opened . . .

      This is sexist.

      People would protest a men-only club even though many groups of men have no special access for being male and many women do for being female.

      Forget protests. Those would be the least of your problems. If you tried to open a men-only club you would likely face lawsuits and the government would force you (with the credible threat of armed agents) to admit women. This has precedent. Remember Shannon Faulkner suing (and winning) to get into VMI? It was for men only before she brought suit.

      I wonder how successful would be a man suing to be admitted into a women-only college/university or a women-only club. Equal justice under the law?

    3. Re:Sexism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If I ran a club and said no blacks or Jews allowed I rightfully be chastised.

      Actually as distasteful as I believe that to be, I would support your right to freedom of association as guaranteed in the First Amendment. The freedom to associate includes the freedom to not associate. We need to either honor this, or amend the Constitution. The need to defend freedom vastly outweighs my personal tastes and sensibilities, or anyone else's.

      It's the same reason cities allow permits for KKK parades and events. Sure they're drastically unpopular but it's understood that censorship usually starts small. It starts with unpopular speech and expands. Therefore the ability to censor one group is the ability to censor anyone at anytime. Accepting speech we find distasteful is a small price to pay in the scheme of things.

      Whether it's SJW types on the Left or ultra-religious types and prudes on the Right, it's frightening the way this country is losing the desire to protect freedoms like these. Not offending anyone ever is becoming more important than keeping our freedoms. This really does not bode well. It's also always bothered me the way the Bill of Rights enumerates fundamental natural human rights yet we so easily accept censorship whenever it's a corporation performing it. Massive boycotts would be an appropriate response to these.

    4. Re:Sexism by gnick · · Score: 1

      I wonder how successful would be a man suing to be admitted into a women-only college/university or a women-only club. Equal justice under the law?

      How do you feel about gym memberships?

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    5. Re:Sexism by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      You need to reread the Constitution and focus on what "Freedom of Speech" really means in that context.

    6. Re: Sexism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you need to reread it.

      The Constitution restricts government power, but the Bill of Rights enshrines rights which should not be denied by any entity, even private business.

      If a business is allowed to censor speech, then they should also be allowed to exclude "protected classes."

    7. Re:Sexism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm glad they get their own club. They all smell like week old fish.

    8. Re:Sexism by LKM · · Score: 2

      Except that, given how women are apparently treated by men, they have a legitimate reason to have a women-only club. Also, lots of men-only clubs exist.

    9. Re:Sexism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's because "free speech" only applies when the government is the oppressor.

      A private entity is completely free to bar entry to anyone they like as long as there is a reason for it. It's pretty damn obvious that barring someone on the basis of their skin color or nationality is going to upset people, in the same way that banning non-christians and GLBT from churches and christian-operated businsses tends to result in negative PR.

      When it comes to "women only" and "men only" safe spaces, these are generally created because men are usually the perpetrator in sexual assault and violence. The side effect is that many of these same places also are openly hostile to GLBT people as well, as they operate on the assumption that sexual assault will only come from straight men, and not gay women, or be inflicted upon transwomen. Hell many of the times "women-only" spaces are created, tend to result in TERF's having this weird obsession of trying to narrowly define what a women is. "Sorry no transwomen" suddenly morphs into "no dykes, no trannies, no fatties, if you're not wearing a pink dress and do not have a hourglass silhouette, GTFO"

      By extension, men are the same. Men-only spaces tend to exclude gay men, transmen, and basically if you don't have the machismo to "be a bro", you get excluded. This is why there are no women in any NFL, NBA, FC (that's soccer), MLB sports, and those that happen to get in, aren't there very long. For a long period of time, you could not be gay and participate in any sports because you'd get murdered by "gay panicked" men who think "gay" is something you catch like a VD.

    10. Re:Sexism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Men that have been admitted to women-only schools tend to hate women, because they tend to be "the only guy" in the school, thus all the school harlots would constantly try to tempt them. (This comes from a second-hand account from someone who was "rich family, sent to private women's school")

      Now they can get past the women-hating bit once they're in the real world and nobody is wanting to get in their pants just because they're the only guy around. But that is an ever-lasting trauma that will shape their decisions about what they want in life.

      What is overlooked in this article, is what "privacy booths" actually become. If they are available to everyone (eg outside a 7-11), they become a place for people to shoot up drugs. If they are only available inside a privately operated business, then they will more likely get misuse as a way for people to have private sexy-times.

      Hence a women-only space reduces that down to only gay women having private sexy-times in the booth.

      Like people overthink the problem is where it's located, not what it's for. A private 3'x3' space to have a phone call is something that many businesses already have, it's called "a closet"

    11. Re:Sexism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Australia, there's a women's only gym called Fernwood.
      They ran a TV ad campaign a few years back with the line:

              "No Tom's. No Harry's. And definitely no Dick's."

      Imagine a men's only club using a similar line:

            "No dogs. And definitely no pussies."

      They'd be sued into oblivion. Reverse sexism is alive and kicking with the complete support of politicians. Gotta admire the women's groups for their political coup.

    12. Re: Sexism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck you, Ivan.

    13. Re:Sexism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Australia, they'd be sued? Or in the US? I'm not familiar with Australian culture.

      I'd sue them for using apostrophes for plurals.

    14. Re:Sexism by KingBenny · · Score: 1

      i'm afraid it means just that "freedom" of speech, whatever you say, which does not equal black panthers shooting baseheads and white wizards hanging yo mommas great grand uncle ... the hipiecrisy of political correctnes and forced equality does not elude me, its counterproductive and leads to reverse discrimination because it is abused, i wholeheartedly agree but as to free speech : that is free speech or it isnt as my sig so eloquently has been saying for years now here ... what strikes me more (ive grown used to the top of the page being a racial slur on black white and equality since trump was campaigning, i still think he pays someone to do it ... it would set off a lot who dont scroll down below the first ten lines ... what strikes me more is that people are willing to pay $4000 for 2 cubes of privacy and that's not the top discussion despite that's how far its come.

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  2. Two person "phone booth" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yep, those 2 person soundproof boxes are definitely going to be used for phone calls and nothing else.

    1. Re: Two person "phone booth" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those booths come with suicide bots, right? I am wondering which company wrote software for them.

    2. Re:Two person "phone booth" by GungaDan · · Score: 1

      It's actually necessary for the planned Superman reboot in which the title character will be a 600 pound green-haired Puerto Rican quadriplegic trans-woman with celiac disease.

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    3. Re: Two person "phone booth" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remove glass and call it fart booth

    4. Re:Two person "phone booth" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Still probably a better Superman movie than we've seen for a while.

    5. Re:Two person "phone booth" by Deadstick · · Score: 1

      Wow, blast from the past. Back in 1978 when the *Superman* movie premiered, my local big-screen theater put a phone book in the lobby with some Clark Kent clothes hanging in it...somebody added a pair of pantyhose.

    6. Re:Two person "phone booth" by balbeir · · Score: 1

      Put wheels on it and call it a BMW i3

  3. No phone? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

    Then its only relationship to a “phone booth” is the rough dimensions. But I suppose that sounds better than calling it a “half closet”.

    So this is how companies who’ve stripped away every vestige of privacy from their employees can pretend to give it back, eh? I bet there are cameras monitoring who goes in, and for how long, though.

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    1. Re:No phone? by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Yep. At my company, the only place you can find actual phones these days (as opposed to the Skype for Business software phone system) is in such phone booths- which are pretty constantly busy 10am-3pm daily. There are signs that say you're not supposed to use them as offices.

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    2. Re:No phone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The phone in a booth seldom worked anyway - so no phone is fine - but it won't be authentic if it doesn't smell of smoke and piss.

    3. Re:No phone? by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      "Then its only relationship to a “phone booth” is the rough dimensions."

      Exactly, it's just a booth.
      I'll patent a horizontal one that people an use to get buried in.

    4. Re:No phone? by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      Does the Skype-as-phone work ok within the company? Their webex system is complete crap...

    5. Re:No phone? by Luthair · · Score: 1

      Yea, pretty clear this is linked to idiotic spread of open offices.

    6. Re:No phone? by Thud457 · · Score: 1

      "Where you see tape, I see walls...

      -- Les Nessmen

      Pretty sure your contractor could toss up a row of these for considerably less that $4K a pop...

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    7. Re:No phone? by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      So this is how companies who’ve stripped away every vestige of privacy from their employees can pretend to give it back, eh? I bet there are cameras monitoring who goes in, and for how long, though.

      There is no need for cameras or time card machines. Those are surveillance tools from the 90s.

      Between the open floor plan and all the glass walls, it's easy to know who is working less 80 hours a week. And yes, you can check your Facebook, do all your Christmas shopping online, play Clash of whatever, play minesweeper, check your stocks, read the news, and watch cat videos, but please do all of that from the phone booths/semi-closets or from the reception / kitchen / play areas. There is even a stationary Chromebook or two near the reception area for those reasons.

    8. Re:No phone? by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Yes, most of the time. A few of the overseas calls have gone bad, and every once in a while I need to reboot, but not too terrible. Oh, and I seem to have bandwidth issues over VPN from home- I can use it for screen sharing, voice calling, and IM- Pick Any TWO. Sometimes pick any ONE.

      Of course, Skype for Business requires that you're using a well-maintained Exchange Server forest, on VPN, internal to your company network, which does make a difference. I don't use it for outside the system calls, I go to a phone booth for that or use my cell phone, so I'm not real sure. Dialing in from my cell phone isn't too bad, and Skype for Business also has both call forwarding (always forwarded to my personal cell phone) and dial-in bridge services, so if I really need to, I can always switch to the cell. And when I'm home due to the aforementioned bandwidth issues, I always use the "dial out to cell phone" when joining a meeting.

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    9. Re:No phone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We had those (don't know what brand) where I used to work. They did a pretty good job keeping out sound. They didn't attempt to provide any visual privacy at all (transparent plexiglas walls!). They were for making phone calls, and they worked nicely for that. They (the ones I used) *did* have a phone inside (regular office phone connected to the company PBX) but you could also use your mobile in the booth.

  4. call it by its real use by ganjadude · · Score: 2

    The cocaine booth

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    1. Re:call it by its real use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      The masturbation booth.

      It would be a lot more convenient than having to wait for the boss to leave so I can use his office.

    2. Re:call it by its real use by tomhath · · Score: 1

      And a place for muscular guys to take their clothes off. Maybe the "women-only club and workspace" would make an exception for that.

  5. Agent 86 by ArhcAngel · · Score: 4, Informative

    Maxwell Smart and the cone of silence is making a comeback!

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    1. Re:Agent 86 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not if Clark Kent aces him out for the booth!

    2. Re:Agent 86 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maxwell Smart and the cone of silence are making a comeback.

      Grammar Nazi, 1.
       
      Bring it.

    3. Re:Agent 86 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I appreciate you typing this, because when you spoke it I could not hear you from inside my own cone ;)

  6. Get Smart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Zenbooth is not the only free-standing office phone booth in the game. Companies like Cubicall, Nomad, and TalkBox, among others, are offering up solutions to the modern office's privacy problem.

    A modern day Cone Of Silence.

    1. Re:Get Smart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Zenbooth is not the only free-standing office phone booth in the game. Companies like Cubicall, Nomad, and TalkBox, among others, are offering up solutions to the modern office's privacy problem.

      A modern day Cone Of Silence.

      What?? Could you repeat that?

    2. Re:Get Smart by mikael · · Score: 1

      From the "Get Smart" secret spy series. For office discussions that were of the highest security classification, the solution was simple - plastic bubbles. Next best thing to SSL encryption.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      https://blogsitestudio.com/wp-...

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  7. A few companies bought this product and we can declare that the phone booth has returned?

    This feels like a press release, not news.

    1. Re:Meh by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      They are actually reasonably popular in certain types of companies. We have two with hard walls for a small office, and I wish we could have more. I am also considering just going with 7x6' offices to be able to give more people a private space to work... but it gets expensive.

    2. Re:Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is the usual msmash feminist post, with obligatory reference to a female psychologist.

  8. 36 inches wide by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, not for use by actual Americans?

  9. Phone booth is never coming back by Comboman · · Score: 5, Insightful
    First a history lesson. Cellphones caused Payphones to disappear. Phone Booths started disappearing long before that (there's a scene in the 1979 film Superman where Clark Kent looks around for a place to change into his costume but can only find boothless payphones). The booths were targets of vandalism and the homeless used them as shelters and/or public toilets. That is why they disappeared.

    As for these new booths, the lack of phone isn't the main difference; it's the fact that they are located in private rather than public spaces. They are not in any way a replacement for phone booths, they are really a replacement for the private office space that disappeared when companies started embracing open-plan offices.

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    1. Re:Phone booth is never coming back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You left out the last nugget.

      No phone booth to see here; move along.

      I do not like using FTFY because you explained it in excellent detail, and nothing needed fixing. But count me as one who appreciated the history lesson.

      Even the captcha concise worked in your favor =)

    2. Re:Phone booth is never coming back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the lack of phone isn't the main difference

      There's a phone but you bring it. I'm assuming these clubs are typically very noisy and these booths offer the opportunity to make a call with less distraction without e.g. having to step outside.

    3. Re:Phone booth is never coming back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This was especially true in the mid 1980s when Reagan de-funded the mental health system, causing a massive increase of chronic, long-term homeless people to be on the streets. Phone booths, which were usable until then, became bathrooms and other spaces. The doors came off, then booths disappeared, just because it didn't help business for a store to have an area constantly smelling of piss.

    4. Re:Phone booth is never coming back by PPH · · Score: 1

      I'm assuming these clubs are typically very noisy

      This.

      And a local club used to have a phone booth with selectable background sound recordings. So if that was someplace you were not supposed to be, you could make yourself an alibi.

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    5. Re:Phone booth is never coming back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Not this Reagan myth again. The ACLU is what is responsible for shutting down the mental health system, starting with cases in the 1970s. They're quite proud of it, for some reason. Apparently having crazy people die on the streets from drugs and exposure is better than having them well-fed, sheltered, and medicated.

    6. Re:Phone booth is never coming back by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Not this Reagan myth again. The ACLU is what is responsible for shutting down the mental health system, starting with cases in the 1970s. They're quite proud of it, for some reason. Apparently having crazy people die on the streets from drugs and exposure is better than having them well-fed, sheltered, and medicated.

      They're proud of it for a few reasons. We have a long history in the US of involuntarily committing non-crazy people who happen to be "different." Gay folks, radicals, imbeciles, and people who are otherwise inconvenient, like rape victims. Care was horrible, and people who had committed no crimes were subject to horrible tortures to try to "fix" their condition. If you're not a physical danger to others in society, there is no constitutionally-justifiable reason to keep someone in a sanitarium against their will.

  10. I'd Bite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If they blocked mobile phone radio waves, otherwise this is just douche booth.

  11. Crime wasn't the cause of the disappearance of pho by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Crime wasn't the primary cause of the disappearance of phone booths. Fat people were. Public phone booths used to have a door for privacy, security and reducing noise then the phone companies didnt want to risk getting sued by fat people getting stuck inside them so they removed all the doors. But since public phone booths are commonly found on busy roads you couldnt hear the person you were talking to and the other person couldnt hear you either without that box around you due to the road noise. Of course, mobile phones played a big part in making phone booths not cost effective anymore but it was the removal of the doors that sealed the phone booths fate by making it unusable and killing it off among the older generation who didnt use mobile phones and already have bad hearing.

  12. Privacy is now a luxury good for elites by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 0

    Flatiron neighborhood of Manhattan - Soho

    It must be nice being rich and being able to afford privacy. The rest of us don't even get asked if we'd like to pay more to keep our privacy. We get our data harvested like we are grain in the fields. Does a farmer ask his grain if it wants to be cut? So why would they need to ask us for our data?

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  13. we desperately need by mapkinase · · Score: 2

    We desperately need these at work.

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    1. Re:we desperately need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Telecommuters with kids and yappy dogs need them at home.

  14. Phone booths. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But TFS?
    How are pink-velvet couches relevant?

  15. Good Grief by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "...are offering up solutions to the modern office's privacy problem.'

    A privacy problem that was completely avoidable in the first place.

  16. Alternatives to pissing money away... by geekmux · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "...products range from $3,995 (for a standard one-person booth) to $15,995 (for a two-person "executive" booth)"

    So, after you destroyed business privacy by embracing the open-floor plan, your answer is to build obscenely priced closets?

    Kind of makes you wonder how much it would cost to throw up some drywall and mount some doors and you know, give employees the privacy of an office again.

    Or better yet, grow the hell up and learn to properly measure performance and manage employees working remotely. We sure as hell could use a few less million cars on the road every day.

    1. Re:Alternatives to pissing money away... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +2

    2. Re:Alternatives to pissing money away... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you think managers, especially VP level on up give a shit? The open floor plans allow them to traipse in and see what the serfs are doing, maybe catch the schmuck doing a FB PM on their phone. The glass and reflective surfaces look modern and cool.

      In reality, far less work gets done, because people are distracted and can't get into a groove because George over there is eating potato chips, Deepak is slurping a soda, Susan is yapping about her ovarian cysts on speakerphone, and Jimmy and Jack are heatedly arguing about ++i or i++ as the proper syntax for incrementing a variable.

    3. Re:Alternatives to pissing money away... by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Most jobs are not amenable to employees working remotely. Only one of mine has ever been. There are numerous practical considerations to make when permitting it, most chief among them being how the company will mitigate damages if the employee's home computer happens to be compromised in some way.

    4. Re:Alternatives to pissing money away... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      So, after you destroyed business privacy by embracing the open-floor plan, your answer is to build obscenely priced closets?

      Well yes. I'm not sure why you think that sounds strange. The companies where the open floor plan concept have failed are the same which don't provide private areas for situations that need it. Are you surprised that the optimum solution is a balance?

    5. Re:Alternatives to pissing money away... by mark-t · · Score: 1

      In reality, far less work gets done, because people are distracted and can't get into a groove because George over there is eating potato chips, Deepak is slurping a soda, Susan is yapping about her ovarian cysts on speakerphone, and Jimmy and Jack are heatedly arguing about ++i or i++ as the proper syntax for incrementing a variable.

      I currently work in an open floor plan office, and find that this is rarely a problem.

      People engaging in a discussion related to work that is disturbing others are encouraged to take their discussion into the board room, which is separate from our main working area. If what you are doing is bothering anyone else, in general you will be told about it, PDQ. I know all too well that it is easy to disturb people without meaning to, but most people where I work are mature enough to respect that they are in a place of work and to be considerate of their volume when they are made aware that it is a problem.

      Although one of my coworkers did mention to me that the place where we work has the quietest open floor plan he's ever been in, so maybe we're just lucky. p. Oh, and neither is the proper syntax for incrementing a variable, because 'i' is not a proper variable name in the first place.

    6. Re:Alternatives to pissing money away... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is what company owned laptops and/or a VDI infrastructure is for. The ideal would be both, where the endpoint is managed and secure, and even if the endpoint gets compromised, the VDI is another barrier. I've seen this implemented well, and it isn't cheap, but it does a good job at mitigating what malware can do.

    7. Re:Alternatives to pissing money away... by mark-t · · Score: 1

      You grossly overestimate how much money most companies are willing to spend on their employees.

      I have *never* worked for a company that was willing to pay for a laptop for me to work from home, and that's including the one job that I had where telecommuting was even possible.

    8. Re: Alternatives to pissing money away... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm glad my boss doesn't allow remote work.

      Despite everything she claims, on the few occasions I've had a chance to work from home I can't keep my wife from bothering me every 10 minutes. At least when I'm at work I can ignore the text messages while I focus on my job, and headphones keep most of the random office drop-ins at bay.

      I guess if I was single it wouldn't be too bad, but I detest having to use a VPN and the upload speeds on home internet make a lot of things painful. Unless work was going to pay for a nice fast connection, docking stations, monitors, etc. I'd rather just go to the office.

    9. Re:Alternatives to pissing money away... by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      Ok, this is getting off topic, but you'd be surprised at how often I'd see "i" or something similar as a variable name. This was on COBOL programs, which are supposed to have long, readable variable names. :p

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    10. Re:Alternatives to pissing money away... by CodeHog · · Score: 1

      "properly measure performance and manage employees working remotely" Like that will ever happen. Yes, I'm bitter about being f*cked over because I work remotely. Top rated employee in my group year over year? Check. Passed over for promotion? Double check. So why the f*ck would I want to work my ass off again? For a measly pittance of a pay raise? uncheck.

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    11. Re:Alternatives to pissing money away... by lgw · · Score: 2

      Oh, and neither is the proper syntax for incrementing a variable, because 'i' is not a proper variable name in the first place.

      "i" is indeed the correct variable name for the index into an array (and "j" and "k" for nested indices). Its the convention from math, and is idiomatic - anything else is needlessly confusing. Not that you loop on the index into an array much in modern programming languages. Similarly, "x" and "y" are perfectly fine for variables holding geometric coordinates.

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    12. Re:Alternatives to pissing money away... by yodleboy · · Score: 1

      Better yet, the active shooter instructions at my office say to hide under your desk or take shelter in a conference room. A conference room either made of glass on 4 sides, or an all glass wall on one side.

      brilliant..

    13. Re:Alternatives to pissing money away... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your experience is a lot better than mine. I got a job at one place with an open area. I constantly had to ask people to move from my chair so I could use my desktop PC, then had to clean crumbs from the keyboard. The conference rooms were always in use, so if I wanted privacy, I wound up working in my car or in a lounge at the entrance. People didn't give a rat's ass about the volume, because the whole company revolved around them.

      Glad I left that place. Open office space is a deal breaker, because it shows management doesn't give a shit about the workers.

    14. Re:Alternatives to pissing money away... by mark-t · · Score: 1

      On the excuse of "Everybody Does it", consider point #1 from ethicsalarms:

      This rationalization has been used to excuse ethical misconduct since the beginning of civilization. It is based on the flawed assumption that the ethical nature of an act is somehow improved by the number of people who do it, and if "everybody does it," then it is implicitly all right for you to do it as well: cheat on tests, commit adultery, lie under oath, use illegal drugs, persecute Jews, lynch blacks. Of course, people who use this "reasoning" usually don't believe that what they are doing is right because "everybody does it." They usually are arguing that they shouldn't be singled out for condemnation if "everybody else" isn't.

      Since most people will admit that principles of right and wrong are not determined by polls, those who try to use this fallacy are really admitting misconduct. The simple answer to them is that even assuming they are correct, when more people engage in an action that is admittedly unethical, more harm results. An individual is still responsible for his or her part of the harm.

      My point is not to compare bad variable naming practices to some of the objectively far more serious things mentioned above, but to simply note that commenting on how common something might be should not be a defense for doing it, when it is a bad practice in the first place.

      It's 2018... coding editors are smart these days, and can easily complete longer variable names so longer names does not translate to an increase in typographical errors. In the end, a more legible name doesn't hurt anyone, and is no harder to read, with the benefit of being legible even to people who might not yet understand the full context of how the code is being used.

    15. Re:Alternatives to pissing money away... by geekmux · · Score: 1

      You grossly overestimate how much money most companies are willing to spend on their employees.

      I have *never* worked for a company that was willing to pay for a laptop for me to work from home, and that's including the one job that I had where telecommuting was even possible.

      You grossly overestimate what it takes to work remotely. How much horsepower does it really take to run a VPN client and a Remote Desktop client? Could a Raspberry Pi do it? I would likely cost more for a dual-monitor setup, and a "dumb" terminal used to securely connect you to a virtual machine behind a VPN would continue to secure all of the critical company data onsite and NOT on some remote PC.

      No office. No cube furniture. No traditional desktop hardware (VMs instead). Reduced office footprint. Reduced A/C and other environmental costs. Upwards of a $200 benefit back in the employees pocket every month from not being forced to waste gas and vehicle maintenance costs related to commuting to an office every day. Not to mention a rather huge benefit to productivity (an hour-long commute one way for a full-time employee equals 40 hours a month wasted sitting behind a steering wheel), along with less stress (I don't enjoy sitting in traffic), and generally a happier employee. When I was working remotely, I gave back half of the 40 hours gained from telecommuting and used the other hour saved every day to work out, which makes for a healthier employee.

      I don't know why companies continue to be blind to these benefits, and refuse to train managers on the proper way to manage and measure remote workers.

    16. Re: Alternatives to pissing money away... by geekmux · · Score: 2

      I'm glad my boss doesn't allow remote work.

      Despite everything she claims, on the few occasions I've had a chance to work from home I can't keep my wife from bothering me every 10 minutes. At least when I'm at work I can ignore the text messages while I focus on my job, and headphones keep most of the random office drop-ins at bay.

      I guess if I was single it wouldn't be too bad, but I detest having to use a VPN and the upload speeds on home internet make a lot of things painful. Unless work was going to pay for a nice fast connection, docking stations, monitors, etc. I'd rather just go to the office.

      How many hours are wasted every month by you sitting behind a steering wheel in traffic, commuting to and from an office every day? A full-time employee with an hour-long commute (not uncommon) equals 40 hours a month wasted. When I was able to work remotely, I also pocketed upwards of $200 a month in gas and vehicle maintenance savings. I also used an hour out of every morning to work out, so it gave me considerable health benefits as well.

      When it comes to the productivity gains and happy employees, it's not hard at all to justify a company subsidizing faster internet, and one-time costs for docking stations and dual-monitor setups.

      As far as interruptions at home, IMHO that is simply a matter of recognizing and respecting the fact that you're at work during certain hours regardless of the location.

    17. Re:Alternatives to pissing money away... by geekmux · · Score: 1

      "properly measure performance and manage employees working remotely" Like that will ever happen. Yes, I'm bitter about being f*cked over because I work remotely. Top rated employee in my group year over year? Check. Passed over for promotion? Double check. So why the f*ck would I want to work my ass off again? For a measly pittance of a pay raise? uncheck.

      If you work for a company that requires that amount of ass-kissing face time in order to be properly recognized, perhaps it's time to work for another company.

      In the meantime, remember you could be spending a couple hundred a month on fuel and vehicle maintenance costs to commute 20+ days a week, twice a day. And that doesn't include the reduced stress and health benefits of not dealing with smog-infused traffic every day, or the reduced risk of not becoming one of those 40,000 deaths per year on our roadways. There is likely nothing you will spend more on in your lifetime than medical costs, and driving is most likely one of the most dangerous activities you do on a regular basis.

    18. Re:Alternatives to pissing money away... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The venerable iterator i shows up in loops in literally every coding school, textbook, online resource and coding example I've ever seen. If you can't figure out for(int i = 0; i n; i++) you should probably not be coding.

      That said....when you're done with i and j and you're working on k it's probably time to start wondering what you need all those iterators for.

    19. Re:Alternatives to pissing money away... by mark-t · · Score: 1

      With for(int i=0; i < n; i++), you can tell that 'i' is some sort of counter in the for loop, but what is it actually *USED* for? Its purpose might be obvious on the same line as the for loop, but when the variable is used for something in the body of the loop, it may not not be. Compare it to:

      for(int employeenum = 0;employeenum < employee_count; employeenum++)

      Naming the variable something representative of what that variable is actually going to be used for ensures that any time that variable is used, it is obvious what is being done... you don't have to hunt around the code looking to see what some single letter variable named 'i' happens to be.

      Even better, you could do away with the indexes entirely:

      for(auto &employee: employees)

    20. Re:Alternatives to pissing money away... by mikael · · Score: 1

      Then there are arguments on whether employeenum should be int,unsigned int or even uint8_t, whether the coding standard should be EmployeeNum, employee_num, or employeeNum.

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    21. Re:Alternatives to pissing money away... by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Presumably, the coding standard reflects whatever a majority of the programmers that work there determined it would be in the first place, and a condition of you working there in the first place is that you would abide by the coding standards chosen by the company.

      Tends to quell arguments pretty quickly.

      You can try and get the coding standards changed, but this would generally require convincing the CTO that such a change would result in more productivity, so you'd need to have an overwhelming amount of support for it from other developers.

  17. Discriminatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They are not ADA compliant. Desk surface is too high and the doorway too narrow for a wheelchair to be able to adequately enter and exit the space.

    HSBC had similar types of rooms but around twice the depth, they would immediately get taken by women with drug and alcohol problems. Occasionally, some of the Indian contractors would sneak away into them to escape their crammed cubicle existence and leave the rooms a complete mess.

  18. Sexist shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    > women-only club and work space The Wing

    Really? People would throw an absolute shit-fit if there was a "men-only club and work space"

    How TF is this legal?

    1. Re:Sexist shit by laughing_badger · · Score: 1

      It's legal because you can't make it illegal without making men-only clubs illegal, and some of those have been around for longer than some countries.

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    2. Re:Sexist shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They can't even get the women to completely agree on the concept: certain women were throwing a shit fit about everything being pink. The color pink is considered the patriarchy and isn't completely inclusive, as it turns out.

    3. Re:Sexist shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's interesting, is that if this is a co-working space, then any employers who are located in this space are probably in violation of certain employment laws. They *damned* sure should not be able to get any government contracts that require EEO.

      I'm all for women having their own clubs, and for men having their own clubs, and I even think gender-specific restrooms still make sense.

      But having *office locations* where only people of one gender may work is at the very very best hypocritical of everyone who might ever support equality in the workspace, and outright illegal.

      Can you imagine the existing of a co-working space that excluded women? Or LGBTQ? You better believe the feminazis and gay rights crowd would be outside with pitchforks and torches.

      But, I suppose it's also ok to have clubs that exist for the support of racial minorities as well (La Raza, NAACP, etc.) that even get official standing in places like college campuses, but you couldn't have the same for white people. So gender is just another way for the tyranny/hypocrasy of the minority to be expressed.

      Of course, I'm a white male, so I'm not allowed to express points like this, because my white men's privilege means I am inherently unable to grasp a concept such as equality.

    4. Re:Sexist shit by JeffOwl · · Score: 1

      This goes way back, but at some point the courts ruled that the Rotary clubs couldn't discriminate against women and their ruling pointed out two things, associations with business (which this certainly has) and that they are generally open and not very exclusive, even going so far as to allow non-members in their meetings, I have no idea if that applies or not. In the end the courts won't take any action on this absent someone with standing (how would a man prove his is harmed by this?) making an issue of it and even then they have been known to say things like "there is a compelling interest" in allowing historically marginalized communities to do things that majority or "in power" communities might not be allowed to do.

    5. Re:Sexist shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because it is assumed that men have all the advantages. Because assuming lesser or no abilities of the other group, is unacceptable... and to reverse these assumptions is now polite and apparently fair to both parties. Apparently.

  19. 16 grand for a glorified cupboard? by Bearhouse · · Score: 1

    If they are purpose-building / renovating - and it sounds like it, "...were included in the design...", then you would have thought that a competent architect and contractor could have put something together cheaper.

    Use the money saved to equip each booth with a secure PC / video conference utility..

    1. Re:16 grand for a glorified cupboard? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately in many cases the architects and engineers who design the plans for construction are paid on a percentage basis. The higher they can inflate the cost of the project, the more money they take home. The less scrupulous would love something like these to pad the cost.

      If the job goes out to bid, the winning contractor could in some situations talk to the owner after the contract is awarded and show them how the cost could be greatly reduced - but you stand a chance of pissing off the architect/engineer (possibly losing future work) and you better be damned sure of your alternate design if it's allowed as it'll be on you / your company instead of the architect/engineer if it doesn't work as intended. (Probably not such a concern in this specific scenario, more of an issue when trying to get mechanical or electrical changes made because the engineer gold-plated the job with completely unnecessary equipment.)

  20. Imagined privacy by Tony+Isaac · · Score: 1

    There is no privacy when it comes to phone conversations, whether or not it's in a "private" room. I'm reminded of the Tim Allen skit, the "soundproof room."

    https://youtu.be/J9XhVuoNEe0

    You may THINK you have privacy in one of those rooms, but you do not.

  21. How is this new? by Misagon · · Score: 1

    So? Many otherwise open-plan offices I have worked at in the last decade use to have small rooms for small meetings (such as Scrum), special projects and phone calls.
    These were not products dropped into the "landscape"; these had been part of the office's interior design from the start when it had been planned.

    You do not have phone calls out in the open shared space -- that is just common sense. Too bad that not enough people have it.

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  22. Futurama... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No mention of Futurama's suicide booths yet? I'm disappointed in you, Slashdot.

  23. Forget offices... by demonlapin · · Score: 1

    I want these in airports. Especially in the lounges. Back when they had pay phones, they were at least in a bank against one wall, and you could sit somewhere else to avoid the noise. Now, you just have people yakking everywhere. The rise of texting has helped a little, but it's still pretty awful.

    1. Re:Forget offices... by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Put 'em in airports, and people will figure out a way to have sex in 'em... or sleep in them.

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    2. Re:Forget offices... by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Having sex in a glass-walled phone booth might appeal to some extreme exhibitionists, but the police will take a dim view of that. And you can already sleep in airports.

  24. Re: Crime wasn't the cause of the disappearance of by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And it had nothing to do with people using them as a toilet, or a homeless shelter.

    Riiiiiiiiiiight.

  25. Japan has had them for years by nicolaiplum · · Score: 1

    Japan has had booths to make phone calls in shared spaces for a long time, because in Japan it is impolite to speak audibly on your phone in such places as airline lounges, trains, etc. I only wish it was similarly socially unacceptable to speak loudly on your phone around other people in Europe or the USA.

    These used to be phone booths with payphones. Older structures still have them, newer structures are built with them and signs indicating 'phone zone' or similar.

    Meanwhile, how do you phone someone to talk about what is on your desk? I can't take my working environment to the phone booth when I call someone to discuss something I'm working on.

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    1. Re:Japan has had them for years by ben_kelley · · Score: 1

      We have them at work. They are great, especially if you need to make a private call - the soundproofing is excellent. Bring your laptop in if you need to.

  26. do you not see the meta plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First they took away the offices and gave us the open office concept.
    Then they pushed the "standing desk" trend.
    Now they roll out "privacy" booths.

    Well ladies, gentlemen and others, Take a good look at your new offices. 34 by 36 means that now they can shrink the office size as well meaning its a win win for the corporate overlords.

  27. Can I get one in blue? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Preferably with the only windows high up on the sides, and maybe a light on top.

    Phone optional, but must be bigger on the inside.

  28. We have them by LKM · · Score: 1

    We have a bunch of these weird phone booths in our stupid open office. They're always occupied, even by people who aren't in phone calls, because they're the only place you can actually hear your own thoughts.

  29. The new office by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So the the new office is going to be 36 inches x 34 inches?

    1. Re:The new office by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      It's like a Tardis; it's bigger on the inside. Yeah, it's just a matter of time before they get sued for not being accessible to overweight people!

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  30. SafeSpace Boot by artownz · · Score: 1

    I can just get in one of those when muh feelings get hurt

  31. Dumb idea by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    A privacy booth accessible by everyone. Sounds like the first place I'd plant bugs to try to get blackmail info on people!

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  32. OK no one else is gonna say it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I firmly believe in clubs for women - but only if kindness doesn't work.