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Trump Issues Order To Block Broadcom's Takeover of Qualcomm (bloomberg.com)

Bloomberg reports that President Donald Trump issued an executive order today blocking Broadcom from acquiring Qualcomm, "scuttling a $117 billion deal that had been subject to U.S. government scrutiny on national security grounds." From the report: The president acted on a recommendation by the Committee on Foreign Investment in the U.S., which reviews acquisitions of American firms by foreign investors. The decision to block the deal was unveiled just hours after Broadcom Chief Executive Officer Hock Tan met with security officials at the Pentagon in a last-ditch effort to salvage the transaction. "There is credible evidence that leads me to believe that Broadcom Ltd." by acquiring Qualcomm "might take action that threatens to impair the national security of the United States," Trump said in the order released Monday evening in Washington.

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  1. Anticorporatists will oppose this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    For some reason.

    1. Re:Anticorporatists will oppose this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The rest of us dodged the Braulcom bullet.

  2. Re:Not going to mention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I am pretty good with both of these outcomes. It was pretty clear broadcom just wanted to gut qualcomm.

  3. Re: Not going to mention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I guess in your universe "the news broke" means "Senate Republicans declared"

  4. Re:Not going to mention by burk3 · · Score: 2

    but her emails

  5. Seen this before: Fairchild by Flexagon · · Score: 3, Informative

    This reminds me of a similar deal that was similarly scuttled: the proposed purchase of Fairchild Semiconductor that was then owned by French company Schlumberger, to Fujitsu, a Japanese company. In either case, Fairchild would have been owned by a non-US company from a "friendly" country. National security was the given reason, but Japan's then-growing leadership in semiconductors against US companies was the understory.

    1. Re:Seen this before: Fairchild by jrumney · · Score: 3, Informative

      In this case the understory seems to be America's growing leadership in semiconductors against US companies. The current Broadcom was formed by a merger between Broadcom of California, and Avago, which was formed when two New York based private equity firms bought the semiconductor division of Agilent, which itself was spun out of HP. Being private equity vultures, they moved corporate headquarters to a more tax friendly location, but the operations are still very much based in the US.

      Maybe Obama was somehow involved in setting up the deal, that would explain why Trump has to scuttle it now.

    2. Re:Seen this before: Fairchild by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The current Broadcom was formed by a merger between Broadcom of California, and Avago, which was formed when two New York based private equity firms bought the semiconductor division of Agilent, which itself was spun out of HP. Being private equity vultures, they moved corporate headquarters to a more tax friendly location, but the operations are still very much based in the US.

      They are based in Singapore. Also, what you call a merger is what anyone else would call a buyout.

      That Singapore based company now wants to buy out the US based Qualcomm.

  6. Re:Not going to mention by Lisandro · · Score: 4, Informative

    So we're going to post this story, but completely ignore the news that broke today that the whole "Russian hacked the election" and "Russia colluded with Trump" turned out to be entirely false?

    No, House Republicans came up with that conclusion, somehow opposing the entire US intelligence community in the process. The fact that they both decided that Russians did meddle in the elections but somehow did not sought to help Trump is some Orwellian-level doublethink.

  7. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while by Locke2005 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've had enough problems with Broadcom's chips and Broadcom's lack of support for their chips that I think Trump did the right thing here. I tried to bring up a parallel computer on Broadcom's MIPS chip once, eventually decided they were lying about the performance and it couldn't really retire one floating point instruction per cycle. We gave up and switch back to Intel CPUs.

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  8. Re:Not going to mention by vux984 · · Score: 3, Informative

    "The investigation is being closed with nothing found."

    Cite?

    " completely ignore the news that broke today that the whole "Russian hacked the election" and "Russia colluded ..."

    All I see is some partisan republicans on a house commitee releasing a statement to that effect. Nobody else seems to be buying it; including the Democrats on that same committee. Nevermind the statement from the CIA etc.

    In other words: shut up comrade.

  9. Re:Not going to mention by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    If Nunes said something didn't happen, that's actually pretty good evidence that it DID happen!

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  10. Re:Your free market president at work! by Locke2005 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Please stop, that is demeaning to mentally handicapped people!

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  11. Re:Not going to mention by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

    but completely ignore the news that broke today that the whole "Russian hacked the election" and "Russia colluded with Trump" turned out to be entirely false?

    Yeah, that's what happened today. Right. House Republicans issue a report that other Republicans did absolutely nothing wrong and they're shocked...SHOCKED, I tell you, that anyone would even suggest that other Republicans did anything improper to win an election. It's not like there have ever been any other examples of Republicans doing anything criminal to win a presidential election, so how dare you even suggest such a thing is possible. In fact, we demand an immediate apology. Stop laughing. There's nothing funny about this.

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  12. Re:Not going to mention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Lol, the lefties are losing their minds. Not only is there no collusion found even when it was investigated by a corrupt DNC & deep state witch hunt, but what was found out during the whole process implicated the DNC and the Clinton's crooked foundation.

    Next up, special prosecutor for the FISA abuses by the DNC. Sayonara, shitheads!

  13. Re:Appropriate decision. by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

    As if self-destruction and suicide was ever much of a deterrent for our federal government.

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  14. Y'know, I have to wonder.... by mark-t · · Score: 5, Insightful

    .... this is the 2nd time in about as many weeks as I've seen the US president invoke an argument of "national security" on a matter that impacts commercial enterprise, and using that argument as a basis for immediate action that bypassed any of the ordinary measures which might otherwise be required.

    It has become apparent to me that the man uses the expression to mean whatever he thinks it ought to mean, and has no bearing on the actual definition of the term.

    1. Re:Y'know, I have to wonder.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Obama did the same. So did Bush. And Clinton and the other Bush and so on way back over a century. It's a standard political practice that falls under the umbrella of protecting US interests.

      It seems new only because you have never paid attention before.

    2. Re:Y'know, I have to wonder.... by mark-t · · Score: 2

      Well, you just had every opportunity to enlighten me, and decided to be vague enough about it that unless I already knew specifically what you were talking about (which by your own admission, you were clearly aware of since you explicitly suggested that I may not have been paying attention), I wouldn't be able to do any kind of search to find out more about it and educate myself on the matter. So from where I'm sitting it looks like you are either making stuff up, or else you're the kind of person who wants to actively promote ignorance just so you can feel smarter than people around you. I'm further assuming that you don't care enough about what other people think to care about this to be particularly offended by this observation.

    3. Re:Y'know, I have to wonder.... by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Interesting. I shall read up on that further.

    4. Re: Y'know, I have to wonder.... by mark-t · · Score: 1

      My political leanings are closer to Green, actually... but I understand that it's far easier to make generalizations than to bother to know someone.

    5. Re:Y'know, I have to wonder.... by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Why would you expect that people who take stances *similar* to that of a person would ever dislike him?

      If you don't, then why is it somehow suddenly more apparent to you that people who take stances that are in stark contrast to a person would not like that person?

  15. Intel won this round to stay alive... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    so basically, lobbyists for Intel were successful to fend of this merger, as it would've definitely sunk the Intel behemoth.

    now they managed to maintain status quo until the next time...

    1. Re: Intel won this round to stay alive... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And the alternative was even more grim. Broadcom has proven itself to be utterly incompetent and unfriendly. It was almost immediately apparent that they just wanted to kill the competition in a anti-competitive manner.

      This was a good decision, even if for the wrong reason. Sometimes, you just have to take what you can get.

  16. Trump's administration issued the order by rsilvergun · · Score: 4, Interesting

    not Trump. Nobody listens to Trump. This became obvious when the stock market stopped reacting to his tweets. He literally said we should ignore due process and take away people's guns. If Obama had done that gun stocks would have gone nuts. When Trump did it not even a blip.

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    1. Re: Trump's administration issued the order by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If Trump didn't mean what he said, why did Breitbart run the headline: "Trump the gun grabber"? Why did the NRA feel they needed to have a meeting with him after these comments? You can say people are being dumb and the President didn't mean what he said... But a lot of conservatives seemed to take it the same way.

    2. Re: Trump's administration issued the order by quantaman · · Score: 4, Informative

      If Trump didn't mean what he said, why did Breitbart run the headline: "Trump the gun grabber"?

      So people like you would click on it. See how that works?

      They needed to remind Trump that his base was pro-gun.

      Why did the NRA feel they needed to have a meeting with him after these comments?

      For appearances. So that people like, when they saw that both parties left the meeting without their hair on fire, would be denied the chance to spread around a phony narrative.

      The NRA needed to meet with Trump because the NRA realizes that Trump tends to agree with whomever spoke with him last.

      You can say people are being dumb and the President didn't mean what he said... But a lot of conservatives seemed to take it the same way.

      He was speaking casually, not lawerly. Which you're trying to pretend you don't know, because it helps your narrative to assert otherwise. And no, there aren't any significant number of conservatives are the least bit worried about that. Because he's more than clarified the matter, for those who think a single sound bite out of context is some sort of executed policy.

      He was speaking out of his ass because he has no idea what he's talking about. I'm not saying he's an idiot, I honestly don't know if he's smart or dumb. But I do know he has no attention span, you can hear it every time he talks when he goes flying off on tangents left and right and can barely string together two sentences on the same topic.

      That's his basic problem as President, issues are complex and he can't pay attention long enough to really analyze the issues, so instead he just listens to people and tries to get the high level picture. The problem is a smart knowledgeable person can make a superficially compelling case for any position in a complex topic. So if you want Trump to decide on a certain course all you need to do is surround him with the right people and he'll eventually agree with you. That's why the GOP is so confident they can sway him on almost any issue unless he's completely obsessed with it (ie trade), because they can control enough of the people he talks to and none of the nuts on his call list want gun control either. Plus, on something like guns you need actual legislation and the GOP controlled congress will never pass significant gun control.

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    3. Re:Trump's administration issued the order by Improbus · · Score: 1

      Ya, everyone with two brain cells to rub together as got Trump calibrated. He is a liar. If you don't like what he says, wait a few hours and he will do a complete 180.

  17. Re:Not going to mention by xski · · Score: 1

    Benghazi, Uranium, Emails, OH MY!

  18. Re:Looks like Trump ain't no China lover by RevDisk · · Score: 2

    Russian mercenaries were sent to try to take oil fields near US forces. Said Russians had tanks and armored personnel carriers. They shelled at or near US forces.

    US forces ripped them to pieces with drone strikes, Apache helicopter gunships, airstrikes from F15E's, capped with a JDAM bombing from passing B52's. I have heard that they also used counterbattery artillery and A10's as well, but haven't seen that confirmed. All of their armored vehicles were destroyed or damaged, hundreds of Russian mercs were killed.

  19. Re:Appropriate decision. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It is hard enough for us to protect our privacy against the likes of Google. Throwing foreign entities into the mix would be suicide.

    Yeah, that's why we Brazilians were worried last month upon hearing about Boeing's desire to embrace and extinguish our greatest source of industrial pride, EMBRAER.

    Unfortunately our president's spine was more flaccid than Trump's, and now Boeing has a big share of Embraer, to our disgust.

  20. Re: Not going to mention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Oh please. This investigation has been going on for over a year, with not even a hint of any collusion. The only ones being blinded by partisanship are the left, mad at President Trump for defeating The Annointed One.

    19 indictments (13 of them Russian nationals) and 5 guilty pleas so far might disagree with what you deem as reality.

  21. Re:Not going to mention by Lisandro · · Score: 3, Informative

    Sure: https://www.dni.gov/files/docu...

    This report includes an analytic assessment drafted and coordinated among The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), and The National Security Agency (NSA), which draws on intelligence information collected and disseminated by those three agencies. It covers the
    motivation and scope of Moscow’s intentions regarding US elections and Moscow’s use of cyber tools and media campaigns to influence US public opinion. The assessment focuses on activities aimed at the 2016 US presidential election and draws on our understanding of previous Russian influence operations.
    When we use the term “we” it refers to an assessment by all three agencies.

  22. Re:Racism at work by Luckyo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Broadcom is a Singaporean company that decided to pretend to be US company by moving headquarters specifically to help seal this deal.

    Also, anti-chinese sentiments are nationalist, not racist. Conflating the two is a rather basic error.

  23. Re:Looks like Trump ain't no China lover by jrumney · · Score: 1
    What does China have to do with this?

    Is this seriously about the race of the CEO? The US has sunk that far already?

  24. Jokes aside I gotta kind of wonder by rsilvergun · · Score: 2, Interesting

    if there's any dog yellow enough to get these folks to stop voting Republican. When Clinton (Bill) moved the Dems to the right the Republicans had to follow suit to maintain their identity. Then the corporate PAC money started flooding in (Thanks! Citizens United) and the Dems moved right as the corp money flowed in and again the Republicans moved further right to compensate.

    So now we've got a country where 97% of Americans support Universal Background Checks on guns and zero chance of getting one, Our president just said drug dealers should be put to death and praised China's president for establishing a dictatorship for life.

    Are the Republican voters just living in a perfect bubble or do they really just not care as long as it doesn't have a D next to it's name?

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    1. Re:Jokes aside I gotta kind of wonder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Are the Republican voters just living in a perfect bubble or do they really just not care as long as it doesn't have a D next to it's name?

      Modern republicanism has all the symptoms of being a cult religion. What is worse is they blatantly ignore facts that don't fit into their world view. Their usual method of doing so is by bringing up some possibly true, possibly not bit of data from the opposition and justifying their decision to support their party by saying, well at least it is not that.

      The really fun thing is the only thing they seem truly conservative about is conservation of excuses. They will use the same excuses, time, and time, and time again. Trump could be sleeping with ten different porn stars a night, and have kids with six of them and they would still justify or excuse it by pointing to Bill Clinton who hasn't been president for over 17 years.

      Instead of setting a higher bar, ethics only matter if their opponent may not be squeaky clean. They are fine with their guy being a low life scum as long as he is their low life scum. Hillary was flat out guilty for her actions defending her husband and should never be president, at the same time Trump's people were paying off porn stars to shut up. Now I don't support Infidelity in any shape or form but a spouse has the right to defend the other spouse. End of story, well unless your a democrat I guess.

    2. Re:Jokes aside I gotta kind of wonder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Speaking of living in a bubble ...

      PAC money is coming from all political sides. George Soros and the Koch brothers are opposite sides of the same coin. As are the SEIU and telecoms. Nobody is clean on this issue.

      Have you ever purchased a firearm? If you do from a licensed dealer or at a gun show you will go through an ATF background check. The problem with the current background check system is government incompetence. Too many recent shooters were supposed to be in NICS(National Instant Criminal Background Check System) but a government agency FAILED to add them. This is a problem of unaccountable bureaucracies and not firearms. Responsible firearms owners are not the mass shooters.

    3. Re: Jokes aside I gotta kind of wonder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah, totally! Amen!

      Now hang on while I put on a black mask, riot and attack people, worship an ideology responsible for the death of hundreds of millions, and set fire to Universities where anyone dares to think or speak differently.

    4. Re: Jokes aside I gotta kind of wonder by guruevi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There is a good reason those people weren't on the list. Both ATF and FBI are currently the Democratic operations arm as evidenced by their investigations in both Hillary and Trump. They need to keep the narrative that guns are bad going and the best way of doing that is by sowing fear that someone might use them for evil.

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    5. Re:Jokes aside I gotta kind of wonder by lexman098 · · Score: 1

      My theory is that they really only care about lowering taxes. They kind of care about the other stuff, but childish as it is, they just really don't like paying taxes. Even if only richer people are getting most of the tax cuts they like the idea and principle of the matter. Trump signed a big tax cut (and appointed Gorsuch), so he's a success no matter what.

    6. Re: Jokes aside I gotta kind of wonder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      National socialism didn't kill hundreds of millions, communism did. The SS didn't set fire to Berkely, riot and call for the death of white men, antifa did.
      You need to wake up, sweetie

    7. Re: Jokes aside I gotta kind of wonder by eaglesrule · · Score: 1

      If the FBI will knowing groom mentally disabled people into carrying out acts of terrorism, like they did with Jeremy Drake Varnell it also has to be considered if they allow acts to be carried out, or created a situation in which they lost control of.

      It is difficult to have faith in congressional oversight, when partisanship is always the ultimate concern.

  25. Re: Not going to mention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Oh please. This investigation has been going on for over a year, with not even a hint of any collusion. The only ones being blinded by partisanship are the left, mad at President Trump for defeating The Annointed One.

    Watergate break-in - June 17, 1972
    Saturday night massacre - October 20, 1973
    "I'm not a crook" speech - Nov 17, 1973
    "One year of Watergate is enough" - SOTU address Jan 30, 1974
    3 articles of impeachment approved - Jul 27-30, 1974
    "Smoking Gun" tape released - Aug 5, 1974
    Tricky Dick resigns - Aug 9, 1974

  26. Re:Racism at work by jrumney · · Score: 3, Informative
    Broadcom was a US company before it moved its headquarters to Singapore for tax purposes and to be closer to their supply chain and customers.

    And before you claim the motivation is nationalist not racist, you should probably check the nationality of the person involved first.

  27. Re: Not going to mention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Except that none of the indictments have anything to do with trump Russia or the election. Why is it that you guys always leave that part out? Oh yeah because this is a witch hunt.

  28. Re: Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a wh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Avago (a Singapore company) purchased that Broadcom and renamed themselves Broadcom.

    Avago itself started as the semiconductor division of HP, but was sold off as part of the HP-Agilent divestment to private equity firms.

    Broadcom itself is an amalgamation of the various companies it purchased over the years. This probably helps to explain why there isn't much coherence to thier documentation or general business strategy.

  29. Re:Not going to mention by stephanruby · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Ok, I'll bite. Here are the direct quotes of Conaway (a Republican):

    "Bottom line: Russians did commit active measures against our elections in '16, and we think they'll do that in the future," Conaway said. "It's clear they sowed discord in our elections. ... But we couldn't establish the same conclusions the CIA did that they specifically wanted to help Trump."

    Is that what you meant by "entirely false"? Plus, that doesn't really explain why the Republican majority shut down their investigation so quickly (unless they're trying to hide something). After all, nobody tried to shut down the 911 commission prematurely, when no evidence was found that US officials had colluded with Bin Laden. After all, the investigation was started to investigate "Russian Meddling", not specifically "Trump Collusion".

    I wonder, when did that change for the Republicans?

    And just to put things in perspective, even if you don't think that an attack on our leadership process an act of war (which is kind of silly if you don't think that), the 9/11 attack at the time cost us ~3,000 casualties, but in the case of Crimea, the Russian incursion has already cost our ally ~10,000 lives.

    And please notice the weasel word "specifically" in "that [the Russians] specifically wanted to help Trump." Of course, we already know that's not true. The Russians were trying to help both Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump (although Donald Trump is the only one that retweeted their stories).

    And of course, that still doesn't explain why they'd shut down their own investigation so quickly, when everybody else, the Mueller team, Trump's own Justice Department, the FBI, the CIA, etc. are raising even more alarms than ever before at a more frequent rate than ever before.

  30. Re: Not going to mention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    "Leave that part out"? Yeah Boris, i guess charging thirteen Russians of running a state-sponsored effort designed to interfere with the 2016 campaign has nothing to do with Russia.

  31. Re:Not going to mention by quantaman · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "The investigation is being closed with nothing found."

    Cite?

    " completely ignore the news that broke today that the whole "Russian hacked the election" and "Russia colluded ..."

    All I see is some partisan republicans on a house commitee releasing a statement to that effect. Nobody else seems to be buying it; including the Democrats on that same committee. Nevermind the statement from the CIA etc.

    In other words: shut up comrade.

    After the memo I've been wondering if the Republicans on the house intelligence committee could be charged with obstruction of justice.

    I mean if they're deliberately trying to tarnish the investigation and Mueller in order to give Trump cover to shut it down then that's pretty much the definition of obstruction.

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  32. Re: Racism at work by Luckyo · · Score: 2

    As I said, this is a very basic error. Repeating it after being corrected on it implies malice rather than ignorance.

  33. Re:Racism at work by Luckyo · · Score: 1

    To be closer to their supply chain. You just made the argument for me. Thank you.

    P.S. Conflating state interests based discrimination with discrimination based on race is either ignorant or malicious. I have corrected this error already for the ignorant. This leaves the malicious to mindlessly repeat it. Mindlessly repeating it does not make it any less wrong.

  34. Re:Racism at work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Racism and nationalism usually go hand in hand. This is especially true when the leadership of the nationalist movement caters their efforts towards a certain race. The US nationalist movement that Trump supports is specifically a White nationalist movement. There is no confusion about this, unless of course somehow you are just someone that doesn't get the obvious.

  35. Re: Racism at work by Luckyo · · Score: 1, Troll

    Nationalism is discrimination based on nationality. Nationality is something that is granted to you by the nation and can be changed through process known as naturalization.

    Racism is discrimination based on race. Race is a characteristic that comes with your genome, and is unchangeable.

  36. Re:Racism at work by Narcocide · · Score: 1

    Broadcom was and has always been a British company. Moving their corporate headquarters first to Singapore then the US is just a shell game and you're falling for it.

  37. Re:Racism at work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    yeah can't imagine any reason for anti-Chinese sentiment. You know you can be against the ideals and goals of a foreign power without being discriminatory to people of that power's ethnicity right?

  38. Re: Racism at work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Yeah no, that is not what happened. Broadcom (a US-based company) was bought by Avago (a Singapore-based company) who then took the Broadcom name but kept the headquarters in Singapore since it's really still Avago under the covers.

  39. Re: Not going to mention by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Informative

    Please cite electoral criminal activity by national level republicans running for office.

    Are you serious? Have you ever heard the name, "Richard M. Nixon"? He was the previous Republican president who resigned in shame after having illegal activity exposed by a special prosecutor. It was kind of a big news story. There were 69 indictments and 48 convictions. A whole bunch of Republicans went to prison.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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  40. Re:Racism at work by Luckyo · · Score: 1

    Are you in all seriousness suggesting that state of Singapore does not have deep links with PRC? In that case, you need to pick up any book on the topic of relations between the two.

    But considering the first two words, I don't think you possess the mental faculties for topics more complex then "racist, racist, you're racist. lalalala I can't hear you".

  41. Re: Racism at work by Luckyo · · Score: 1

    Trump's past behaviour is clean cut condemnation of racism. As your assumption appears to be built on foundation of the exact opposite, it crumbles all on its own.

  42. Re:Not going to mention by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

    Basically, the defense is "Trump and his campaign team were a pack of fucking idiots."

    I guess complete incompetence and a total lack of judgment is better than being outright corrupt. Sure glad we've cleared that up. Here, Mr. Trump, the dumbest candidate in history, here's a nuclear power to run for four years. Try not to electrocute yourself, or irradiate the planet! Don't worry, a Republican Congress terrified of the mouth breathing base has your back, at least until the mouth breathers figure they elected a barely functioning senile half wit who eats cheese burgers in bed and can't even read briefings.

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  43. Re: So much for business friendly by bestweasel · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Mergers like these are good mainly for the executives who plan them and the lawyers and brokers who extract fat fees for executing them. Shareholders see a short-term gain but nothing is added to the economy indeed jobs and choice are diminished.

  44. Re: Racism at work by Luckyo · · Score: 1, Troll

    This is the modern far left interpretation, which seeks to expand meaning of racism from inherent traits to actions, and then use it as a weapon to gain power and privilege, as you are trying to do.

    It does not make it any less of a malicious lie.

  45. Re: Not going to mention by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Informative

    *We pretend that Bill Clinton never happened.*

    I don't think you fully understood what I said. Because of the criminal activity around Richard Nixon's Committee to Re-elect the President (CREEP) there were sixty-nine indictments and forty-eight convictions. People went to the federal penitentiary for years. Nixon resigned from the presidency and had to be pardoned by his (second) vice-president. And it all started with a burglary and a cover up. There were actually seventy-six indictments and fifty-five convictions during the Nixon Administration, but only 48 of those convictions were directly connected to crimes committed in relationship to Watergate break-in.

    This is what you said in your previous comment:

    "Please cite electoral criminal activity by national level republicans running for office.

    Oh wait... you can't. Because it's never happened."

    Now, do you want to apologize to the class?

    *We pretend that Bill Clinton never happened.*

    Clinton got a blowjob and lied about it. Nobody went to prison. Nobody was indicted. Nobody was convicted.

    During the Obama administration, there were zero indictments, zero convictions, even though the House GOP conducted investigations that went on twice as long as the current House Intelligence Committee's. The came up with nothing. There have been already been 22 indictments during the Trump investigation and five convictions. That's convictions. Not allegations. Not accusations. Convictions. As in "guilty". As in felony. And we're not anywhere near the end. Mueller hasn't even gotten to interview Trump or his failsons or Ivanka yet. There are lots and lots of witnesses left to talk to.

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  46. Re:Racism at work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The parent company, Avago, was created when Agilent Technologies sold off part of itself to KKR and Silver Lake venture capitalists. When it was formed, the privately held company incorporated in Singapore. When now publicly owned Avago bought Broadcom, the parent company was still incorporated in Singapore. While both Avago and Broadcom had their headquarters in the San Jose, CA area, the owner, Avago, was, and still is, incorporated in Singapore.

  47. Re: Racism at work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Yeah no, that is not what happened. Broadcom (a US-based company) was bought by Avago (a Singapore-based company) who then took the Broadcom name but kept the headquarters in Singapore since it's really still Avago under the covers.

    No, that isn't what happened either.

    Both Broadcom and Avago were 100% American. Avago was NEVER Singaporean.

    When Avago took over Broadcom Corp the NEW merged company, Broadcom Ltd, was domiciled in Singapore.

    You are an absolute fucking idiot.

  48. Re:Racism at work by Luckyo · · Score: 1

    Thank you captain obvious.

  49. Re: Not going to mention by stephanruby · · Score: 1

    First of all, collision doesn't mean collusion. The two terms are not even related.

    Second, when someone says that x AND y "turned out to be entirely false".

    I just need to prove one of those claims NOT false and I can ignore the rest. That's it. That's the beauty of boolean logic.

    Seriously, I thought that Russian trolls would have been better at logic. Next time, please just escalate me directly to your supervisor.

  50. Re: Not going to mention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Thirteen random Russians defeated a 2 billion dollar presidential campaign where the leftist candidate lost to "literally Hitler" who was also facing 95% negative reporting in all major news media throughout the US?

    You probably should take a step back and think about your claims and the sense of relative scale of importance.

    95% of the media
    2,000,000,000 dollars
    a thousand Hollywood celebrities
    all major tech companies, Google, Apple, Facebook, Twitter
    several million volunteers
    more than a few thousand non-citizens voting in key states
    a Nobel Peace Prize winner, who will forever hold the record of "most drone strikes ordered" and "children killed by his orders"
    a "super qualified" candidate with decades of experience in handling state secrets, operating IT equipment, using alias addresses and benefiting from sudden accidents of her enemies

    and they all LOST to
    13 Russians with a Twitter account
    1 "incompetent" "literally Hitler"

    Maybe you need to rethink your argumentation. Whatever the plan was, if it can be destroyed by 13 Russian trolls, then the plan was bunk to begin with.

  51. Re: Racism at work by guruevi · · Score: 1

    Genome differences are minimal between orangutans and humans too, doesn't make us the same species. Genome differences are also minimal between people with autism, Down syndrome and people susceptible to various cancers, this doesn't make their outcomes in life their choice, upbringing or society's fault.

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  52. Racist logic. by mjwx · · Score: 1

    Also, anti-chinese sentiments are nationalist, not racist. Conflating the two is a rather basic error.

    Its not racism because Chinese is not a race? Seems to be the usual racist logic.

    Also it's both. Racial and nationalist. Trying to pretend the two are mutually exclusive is disingenuous at best, but outright lying is a better description.

    Also the irony of arguing that it's not one kind of bigotry because it's another, completely related form of bigotry is clearly lost on you. Its the difference between being an arsehole and being an arsehole because one form of irrational bigotry isn't any better than the other.

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  53. Re:Racism at work by Megol · · Score: 1

    As there are no biological races as such in humans there are also no racists.

    Are you stupid or just pretend to be on /.?

  54. Re: Racism at work by Sperbels · · Score: 1

    It is widely recognized that genome differences are minimal, i.e., all men are effectively equal. In other words, the concept of "race" is not applicable to mankind

    And yet, we still somehow manage to segregate ourselves based on our appearance--an attribute most people call race.

    The hypocrisy here is that you guys say stuff like this, but then you constantly call out things like "white privilege", "rich white people", or "white girl/guy dance". Race is most definitely a thing. And you are just as susceptible to the tribalism as everyone else. Sadly, you're probably white yourself. You just think that it okay to discriminate as long as it's against your own race, while you condemn others for the same behavior.

  55. Re:Not going to mention by vux984 · · Score: 1

    "You liberals are so funny with your "partisan republican" but the good upstanding democrats aren't buying it."

    Would you be happier if I said partisan republicans and partisan democrats? I only said partisan once to highlight that it was a partisan break, but if it means so much to you, yes, I recognize the the house comittee is split along partisan lines... as in both parties are being partisan.

  56. Re:Not going to mention by Lisandro · · Score: 1

    So, how does someone so dumb become a billionaire anyway?

    Is he a billionaire? I'd like to see tax returns please.

  57. Re: Racism at work by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

    Genome differences are substantially different with down syndrome, seeing as it's an extra chromosome (with the same set of genes)

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  58. Re:Not going to mention by bobschneider8 · · Score: 1

    He inherited millions from his dad.

  59. Is it really infidelity for Trump? by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    his marriage seems more like a business arrangement than a marriage. I can't imagine Melania cares what he does. Any more than Hilary cared what Bill did.

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  60. Re: Racism at work by guruevi · · Score: 1

    Depends on how you classify "substantially". If it was truly "substantially" different, people with Down's wouldn't even be anything near human. A single chromosome when each 46 have 3 billion DNA base pairs is a "slight" difference which was my point.

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  61. Re:Racism at work by Luckyo · · Score: 1

    Considering the mountain of evidence you provided for your extreme statement, I think we can dismiss it on the merits you provided.

  62. Re:Racism at work by Luckyo · · Score: 1

    Are you suggesting that programs that are in part designed to keep certain US allies attached to US are also a measure of local ties to China?

  63. Re:Racism at work by Luckyo · · Score: 1

    Are you a supporter of blank slate stupidity, or are you going to play the "race has a scientific definition and therefore common parlance usage does not make it a race" card?

  64. Re: Not going to mention by eaglesrule · · Score: 1

    To accept accountability would be to admit being terribly flawed, and invite reform. That will never happen for an organization that is this steeped in hypocrisy. Deny, and accuse others of which you are guilty.

    So its Sander's fault, and Stein, and Comey, and deplorables, and now Russians with paltry advertiser spending. They have their own army of paid trolls and allied media to make any correlation a causation, and then an accepted narrative.

    Free speech proves to be an obstacle for their gaslighting efforts, so now its in the crosshairs too. Critics and journalists and actual progressives will be shouted down or deplatformed for being Putin puppets.

  65. Re:Racism at work by Luckyo · · Score: 1

    Except I said no such thing. I said that company being Singapourean doesn't mean it isn't tightly connected to China. But good luck with your desperate trolling.

  66. Re:Not going to mention by TimothyHollins · · Score: 1

    At the very least, they should be forced to relinquish the 'intelligence' part of the committee until the Republicans leave.

  67. Re: Not going to mention by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    Okay, what are you denying? Are you denying that Russians interfered with the election? That Sanders' run hurt Clinton overall? That Stein pulled votes away from Clinton? That Comey released a "Look at this! Well, apparently nothing." late in October? That it was a close election that could have been changed by a few hundred thousand votes in a few key states? Let's discuss the facts.

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  68. Re: Not going to mention by eaglesrule · · Score: 1

    What does facts matter to those whose goal is to work backwards from the conclusion that Clinton could not have lost due to her unsuitability as a candidate. There's no need to rehash these details ad naeseam, as their significance is overshadowed by the Democratic Party's inability to live up to their own namesake.

    Everyone who disagrees or does not march in lockstep with the image of Trump as an inflated evil monster and pawn of a foreign enemy, will likewise be branded a pawn of a foreign enemy. Thinking on part of the loyalists is no longer required.

  69. Re:Racism at work by KingBenny · · Score: 1

    heh, next up : headlines : "the real reason behind the Trump/Soong summit revealed : Trump orders face recognition gun turrets for the Trumpian's Wall to shoot anything that doesnt look like a white meth head" "Trump puts Musk under house arrest, chained to a megafactory to build a superdome to block the US from ... EVERYTHING ! to boost the economy internally" and more lol at nine

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  70. Re: Not going to mention by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    Except that you're making those people up, by and large. To those of us who are reasonable, it's obvious that there were things that hindered Clinton's campaign (one of them, of course, being that she isn't charismatic like Bill), and that things like Comey's October semi-revelation and Russian meddling were improper.

    It was a close election, so changing one of those could have changed the outcome. (Heck, one of the reasons Gore lost in 2000 was a bipartisan decision to have an illegal "butterfly" ballot, which confused voters into voting for Pat Robertson instead of Gore.)

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  71. Re: Not going to mention by eaglesrule · · Score: 1

    Sorry, I don't swallow the bandwagon fallacy from the left that Clinton was unfairly disadvantaged, when she was so unfairly advantaged to the point of possibly even having her political opposition wiretapped via abuse of the FISA courts. Looking forward to a special counsel on that.

    Russian meddling that disadvantaged Clinton in favor of Trump is also an assertion without basis in facts, and no, the conclusion by those on the DNC payroll that the email server was hacked by Russians that started this narrative has no credibility whatsoever. Assange is more credible than the proven liars at the DNC when he states the source was not Russians.

    I recognize that it was a close election. That it could possibly be a close election for the Dems against Trump, speaks volumes as to how terrible a choice it was to betray any integrity and confidence in their selection process. But then, they were't expecting to have their dirty secrets revealed, did they, and what a liability Anthony Weiner was that investigating his underage sexting would lead to more leaked classified emails. It was amusing to see them turn on Donna Brazil who finally confessed, though.

    But go on, impress me by how 'reasonable' you are.

  72. Re: Not going to mention by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    People did things that were improper that worked against Clinton. These actions were meddling in an actual national election, as opposed to a party nomination process. There's a very large difference between the two.

    I've seen no evidence that there were wiretaps on Clinton's political opposition because it was her opposition, although such evidence would be difficult to find if it existed. There were wiretaps on some members of the Trump campaign for other reasons. All of this is meaningless unless the FBI leaked evidence collected to the Clinton campaign, which there's no indication of. Nunes searched the documents and the best he could do was to insinuate that a warrant or two might have been requested misleadingly, which suggests to me that the whole thing was thoroughly professional on the part of the FBI.

    Trump supporters could not be consistently against insults in general or bad sexual behavior, so those aren't reasons for the result. Assange has very little credibility.

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  73. Re:Not going to mention by Mashiki · · Score: 1

    Is he a billionaire? I'd like to see tax returns please.

    You don't need to, look at the amount of property he owns. That's how 'net worth' is calculated after all. Earnings is something else, you should understand this basic fact.

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  74. Re:Not going to mention by Mashiki · · Score: 1

    And you still couldn't answer my question could you? Got some nice whataboutism going on there.

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  75. Re:Not going to mention by Lisandro · · Score: 1

    That's how 'net worth' is calculated after all.

    What the fuck are you babbling about? "Net worth" is the delta between assets and liabilities.

    And no, i don't know how many property Trump has. Neither do you, because HE DIDN'T SHOW HIS TAX RETURNS.