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Extreme Winter Weather In the US Linked To a Warming Arctic (theverge.com)

A new study shows how global climate change can have ripple effects at the local level. According to the research, extreme winter weather is two to four times more likely in the eastern U.S. when the Arctic is unusually warm. The Verge reports: Researchers analyzed a variety of atmospheric data in the Arctic, as well as how severe winter weather was in 12 cities across the U.S. from 1950 to 2016. Since 1990, as the Arctic has been warming up and losing ice, extreme cold snaps and heavy snow in the winter have been two to four times more frequent in the eastern U.S. and the Midwest, while in the western U.S., their frequency has decreased, according to a study published today in Nature Communications. The study, however, only shows there might be a correlation -- not a direct causal link -- between the warming Arctic and severe winters in the U.S. And it doesn't show how exactly the two are connected, so it doesn't really add much to what scientists already knew, according to several experts.

Today's study focuses on the Arctic as the main culprit for the extreme winter weather. Previous research has suggested that the warming Arctic may disrupt the polar vortex, a ring of swirling cold air circling the North Pole. Think of the polar vortex as a river, says study co-author Judah Cohen, a climatologist and director of seasonal forecasting at Atmospheric and Environmental Research. The fast flow of this river locks up the cold air over the Arctic. But as the Arctic warms -- especially in some areas like the Barents-Kara seas north of Europe and Russia -- a boulder springs up in this river, disrupting the polar vortex and allowing the freezing Arctic air to flow south, Cohen says.

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  1. In the end by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Climate change doesn't care whether you believe in it or not

    1. Re:In the end by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      True,
      However there are enough people pigheaded enough to vote in people who will be willing to actively ignore the issue. vs electing ones willing to take steps to help mitigate the effects with balanced policies.

      There is a difference between a politician going climate change is a Hoax. Lets go burn more fuel. vs one saying Climate change is real, however stopping from burning fuel at this point is irresponsible, but lets take steps to change this.

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    2. Re:In the end by argStyopa · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If it's used to explain literally everything, of course it's real.

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    3. Re:In the end by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The 5 stages of climate change denial.

      1. There is no climate change.
      2. There is no conclusive evidence that there really is any change.
      3. There might be some change, but it's not man-made.
      4. Ok, so we're partly responsible, but we can't change that quickly now, we'd have had to start earlier.
      5. Ok, so we're fully responsible, but it's too late to do anything anyway, so why bother trying?

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    4. Re:In the end by Gadget_Guy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It is hardly some radical left wing movement when it encompasses almost all of the science community and follows practices that has shown to have worked in the past.

      * Restrictions

      Like the restrictions on the use of CFCs to combat the hole in the ozone layer. Despite the similar nay-sayers of the time, the restrictions didn't cause the world to end - either economically or environmentally!

      * Higher Taxes

      That is long-established economic principle used to control the behavior of the population. If we are told that lowering income tax on the corporations will increase investment and promote wage growth, then surely increasing taxation on certain items will result in the reduction of demand.

      * More regulations

      So what? This is just restating the first point, and is not intrinsically bad.

      * Less choice

      It seems to me that we now have more energy options than ever before, with the addition of renewable energy providers.

      * Criminalization of normal activities.

      Name on person who has gone to jail due to some climate change law.

      While coincidences do happen, this is far too much of a coincidence, especially when you see the primary advocates of the Global Warming hypothesis making scads of money.

      This is a no-win situation for the likes of Al Gore. If he didn't put his money where is mouth is he would be labeled a hypocrite who obviously didn't believe in what he was saying. And why is it that the people who find this so objectionable don't also complain about the financial conflict of interest of the big oil companies who wage anti-climate change campaigns?

    5. Re:In the end by gtall · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Maybe you reject those regulations on drugs? Ma and Pa Kettle's Chicken Farm and Pill Mill would heartily endorse less regulations. And those nasty airline regulations? Sheesh, we could at least make sure they were cost effective. We should establish maximum number of stiffs due to crashes that a particular regulation would make harder for producing said stiffs. There's nothing a good accountant couldn't put a price on...say your grandmother. Those regulations on her retirement home are completely useless since she could come and live with you. The list is large but finite on regulations we could get rid of for a truly free and libertard economy. Ayn Rand isn't dead, she's merely out of her use-by-date...a bit...

    6. Re:In the end by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
      AGW can be falsified. Here's the experiment:

      Continue to add CO2 to the atmosphere. If we observe that average global temperatures drop over a statistically significant period then the hypothesis is disproved.

      Unfortunately we've been conducting this experiment for decades and the haven't seen the observations that would disprove the hypothesis.

    7. Re:In the end by jwhyche · · Score: 2

      Okay, fuck Al Gore and fuck all the scientific findings while we are at it.

      How about lets just go with "we shouldn't be pumping all these poisons into the only planet we live on?" Think we could all get behind that?

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    8. Re:In the end by Gadget_Guy · · Score: 2

      When Exxon funds science that supports their agenda you dismiss it. When the Government funds scientists that supports their agenda you support it. Ponder that.

      When the Koch brothers funded climate research that ended up agreeing with those Government scientists, it got dismissed by the denier community who presumed that it would back their agenda. They were not happy that their tamed skeptic-scientist converted to the "other side" while doing his study. Deniers like to call themselves skeptics because it sounds more reasonable and rational, but if anyone ever has their skepticism answered and changes their mind then they are met with outrage and claims of being a left-wing plant.

      The big oil companies have been found to hide research against their view and fund the "think tanks" that orchestrate the anti-GW campaigns (the same think tanks that waged the anti-smoking-causes-cancer campaigns). On the other hand, the Government hasn't been proven to have an agenda; that is an idea that currently only exists in the minds of deniers who are desperate to find a reason that the studies keep finding results that they don't like. They don't have any science to fall back on, so they make up conspiracies.

  2. Re:Extreme as defined by the AWSSI by JoshuaZ · · Score: 5, Informative

    They defined extreme weather under the Accumulated Winter Season Severity Index which looks primarily at rapid changes in temperature and unusually heavy snowfalls. The metric is a standard one you can find more about here http://mrcc.isws.illinois.edu/research/awssi/indexAwssi.jsp. Note that the AWSSI does not include wind, general precipitation, or most unusually high temperature events.

  3. Re:It is not science... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Creating a hypothesis based on observation (explaining past events) IS science. It's part of the scientific method. A real scientist would take that hypothesis, test it (predictions and further observation), refine the hypothesis further and further. Just because something is difficult to predict doesn't mean you are not doing science.

  4. Re:It is not science... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Being able to explain, what already happened does not make you a scientist."

    Well, that's cosmologists fucked then. And geologists, anyone who works on evolution, continental drift... Good to know that none of us are scientists.

  5. Re:It is not science... by butzwonker · · Score: 2

    Although that's a legitimate point of view in the sense of being internally consistent, it excludes a large number of scientific investigations. According to your definition, neither forensic pathologists nor historians would do science or be scientists. Fair enough, so they are doing science-2 and nothing is lost, because everybody already agrees that primarily historic, explaining disciplines are different from physics and chemistry. Obviously, mathematics is also not science according to your definition. Well, Alfred Nobel thought so, too, but in the end you're just arguing about terminology, which is pointless.

  6. Revisit your definition by sjbe · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Being able to explain, what already happened does not make you a scientist.

    Are you seriously claiming that paleontology is not a science? You might want to revisit that nice little straw man definition you have there. Just because something happened in the past does not mean it cannot be studied scientifically. Remember that the past is where we get literally ALL of our data for our scientific models.

    To qualify, you have to be able to reliably predict, what will happen... And there, despite several decades of trying, the Climate Scientists have been no more successful than the Economists.

    You may have meant that as an insult but it isn't. Economics does make testable predictions that routinely turn out to be true. They don't award Nobel Prizes in economics for lucky guesses. Just because a field is complicated and messy doesn't mean that they haven't had any success. I'm guessing you don't actually know any climate scientists nor are you actually familiar with any of their work that you so glibly disparage.

  7. Global warming == more extreme weather by Terje+Mathisen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Pretty much all serious attempts at modelling global weather/climate points to one important correlation:

    More heat (= more energy) in the atmosphere means that we get more extreme weather.

    I think 2017 in particular but most years since 2000 have had a lot more (Carribean/US) hurricanes than what used to be normal.

    Here in Norway we have had a bunch of warmer winters but also winters with far more precipitation which (when the weather is still cold enough) gives us more snow. At the main meteorological office here in Oslo the snow cover is within 2cm of the highest ever measured.

    Terje

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  8. An actual climatologist told me ... by Orne · · Score: 5, Informative

    So, our company contracts long-term weather forecasts from DTN, which is a company that produces weather outlook for industrial utilities and agriculture in the US and Europe. They use a variety of information to estimate future weather (monthly to decade scale), and in the process, comment on how current year weather matches historical weather. They look at multi-decade trends, and point out how this season is very similar to the 1950s, etc.

    The comment in last quarter's winter forecast had to do with the "polar vortex" event that is leading to the "extreme" cold snaps across the US over the last 4 years or so. There are two factors at stake here, one being the "tightness" of the high-altitude wind currents around the arctic, and a secondary "rotation" effect. Imagine that there is an oval above the arctic that oscillates short and wide, mostly centered over the pole. The boundary is like a ripple that we see as wind currents. When it is circular, cold air is trapped up by the pole, and we have mild winters in the northern continents. However, over time, the polar winds oscillate north and south, which leads to daily oscillations in weather over the winter. What we see as large temperature swings are just the wind currents oscillating past.

    If the oval becomes elongated, it allows the cold air to be pulled farther south, what we call the "polar vortex" with "abnormally" colder weather than average. Cold air is pulled down from the north, then hot air is pulled up from the south, and the intersection results in more winter storms than average, depending on humidity. But that dip pattern is also not stationary, it rotates on a multi-decade-long scale. In the 1990s, the polar vortex was over Russia / East Asia, and they observed the temperature swings. The North Americans (in our short-sightedness) think that if it didn't happen here, it didn't happen. But now two decades later, the elongation has rotated over us, and suddenly we're all freaking out about catastrophic weather changes.

    The forecaster's point was all of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again.

  9. Re:What extreme winter weather in the Eastern US ? by HalAtWork · · Score: 2, Informative

    No we haven't, in south Jersey there have been at least four big snow storms here that have closed schools, work, and highways. Normally we barely have to put on a sweater in the winter and barely get an inch of snow in January and that's it. Now we have a lot of deaths on the road by people who have never had to drive in such weather before.

    Florida even got snow in December and twice in January.

  10. Re:It is not science... by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So far
    - more extreme weather worldwide [check]
    - poles getting warmer, ice sheet melting [check]
    - sea water temperature and level increased [check]
    - all of these happening too quickly over the past century to be natural [check]

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  11. Re:Extreme? by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 4, Informative

    RTFA:

    "Using a recently developed index of severe winter weather, we show that the occurrence of severe winter weather in the United States is significantly related to anomalies in pan-Arctic geopotential heights and temperatures" https://www.nature.com/article...

    It often explains what's missing from a headline and summary....

  12. Re:GOP loss in PA election linked to Global Warmin by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 2

    You mean like to correlation between cholesterol and heart disease....

  13. Clueless about fields of study by sjbe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Paleontology could make a statement to the effect of: "We will find a fossil with such and such features".

    I think that nicely shows that you have no idea what paleontologists do or how they do it.

    Your argument regarding Economists is an "Appeal to Authority" fallacy

    Not at all. Go read their papers because you clearly haven't. I have a graduate degree in finance and I've worked with many of the economic models you question. The models stand on their own and make perfectly valid and provable predictions. No appeal to authority needed. If you want to disprove them go right ahead. There is a Nobel prize waiting for you if you do.

    Like that distinguished bunch, Climate Scientists too can explain anything, but are able to predict nothing.

    Again you make fairly sweeping claims about a field of study you pretty clearly know nothing about. The climate scientists make predictions routinely and are proven to be accurate within the limitations of the model. If you think otherwise then you haven't actually examined any papers on the subject. Sure there is a lot they still don't know but that's true of every field of science. You also have to understand that it takes years for most predictions of climate models to be proven. But the evidence is there. Your failure to examine it does not make it less valid.

  14. This just points out... by jenningsthecat · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This just points out that we can't really rely on our existing models of global warming and the weather changes it might bring. The entire system is so complex that our current understanding of it is woefully incomplete. We're at the stage where, while we know a lot, there's still too much of 'we don't know what we don't know' for us to make detailed predictions with any confidence.

    We need to be putting A LOT more money and effort into understanding and predicting these changes and their associated timeframes. First, we'll need to plan how to protect ourselves. Second, all that data and understanding will increase our chances of finding and evaluating safe ways to slow, and perhaps reverse, AGW.

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  15. Re:What extreme winter weather in the Eastern US ? by NJRoadfan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You left out the 80F day in February, first in recorded history and that cold spell in the beginning of January.

  16. Great post by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 2

    Thank you for the post!

    It's been a long time since I've seen a Slashdot post that was informative and not critically partisan.

    Whether your conclusion is right or wrong makes no difference - that can be discussed. It was a great post.

  17. It isn't hopeless folks, at least try. by foxalopex · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've noticed even in my remote city that climate change is hitting us hard. In the last few years, we've seen a massive increase in sever downpours that I'm sure didn't happen in my youth. It's caused almost a million dollar deficit in the city funds because of all the upgrades they've had to make to handle these new storms so I definitely notice a change.

    And to be honest it's not that hard to battle climate change, even small efforts help a lot. I've switched all my lights to high quality LEDs for example, it's lowered my power bill, bulbs never burn out. I couldn't afford a pure electric car and they don't work too well in my cold climate so I ended up getting a Volt and it works. It runs gas free through the entire summer almost. But the key is folks need to try. Too many folks seem to think they can't change and sadly many of these efforts end up saving time and money as well.

  18. How's life in the hypocrite lane?