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US Says Russia Hacked Energy Grid, Punishes 19 for Meddling (apnews.com)
Associated Press: Pushing back harder on Russia, the Trump administration accused Moscow on Thursday of a concerted hacking operation targeting the U.S. energy grid, aviation systems and other infrastructure, and also imposed sanctions on Russians for alleged interference in the 2016 election. It was the strongest action to date against Russia by the administration, which has long been accused of being too soft on the Kremlin, and the first punishments for election meddling since President Donald Trump took office. The sanctions list included the 13 Russians indicted last month by special counsel Robert Mueller, whose Russia investigation the president has repeatedly sought to discredit. U.S. national security officials said the FBI, Department of Homeland Security and intelligence agencies had determined that Russian intelligence and others were behind a broad range of cyberattacks beginning a year ago that have infiltrated the energy, nuclear, commercial, water, aviation and manufacturing sectors. Further reading: Russian Government Cyber Activity Targeting Energy and Other Critical Infrastructure Sectors (US-Cert); U.S. blames Russia for cyber attacks on energy grid, other sectors (Reuters); U.S. says Russian hackers targeted American energy grid (Politico); Trump administration finally announces Russia sanctions over election meddling (CNN); U.S. sanctions on Russia cite 2016 election interference -- but remain largely symbolic (USA Today); U.S. Sanctions Russians Charged by Mueller for Election Meddling (Bloomberg); and Trump Administration Sanctions Russians for Election Meddling and Cyberattacks (The New York Times).
Ask Donald what Russia would never do, because he's definitely not out golfing!
Seems like they've chosen to sanction people already identified and charged by Mueller, but not anyone close to Putin.
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They're so worried about "hackers" when mismanagement and neglect are much bigger problems. But admitting that makes the powers that be look bad, so we get this crap because it makes them appear to be "doing something".
A "derecho" blasted through the Washington, DC area (twice) in two different summer seasons and left millions without power after the winds blew down power lines. Who was arrested for that??
There are numerous older devices that convert serial ports on industrial control systems to TCP/IP in an attempt to modernize them, but with no security or very poor security by today's standards. Some of these are basically sitting on the internet just waiting to get pwned. Who's going to go to jail for this utter stupidity??
But sure, let's crow about how we rounded up 19 Russians, because...RUSSIANS!!
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Unfortunately with Putin you have a man who likes to hide behind his nuclear weapons sticking his tongue out breaking all the rules and niceties of international agreements and doing whatever the hell he wants knowing no-one will do anything too bad because he has nukes.
Obviously, I'm not going to say western countries are perfect, they're far from it; but Putin is dangerous because he doesn't play by the rules and he actively yearns for the good old days when Russia was subjugating many different nations and there was a cold war. Putin, to use a technical term is an immature jackass.
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The Robert Meuller who told congress that there was credible proof of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction, and that they posed a threat to the US?
The Robert Meuller who told senate that no data was being collected on american citizens?
Are we talking about the same guy? AKA, The CIA's paragon of integrity and honesty?
USSR/Russia have been meddling with foreign politics for decades. The entire "peace" movement was financed by the evil empire, financing everything "anti-war" in the West (while themselves invading neighbors like Hungary, Czechoslovakia, and Afghanistan).
Similarly, they also funded "Black liberation".
There is even good evidence of Senator Edward Kennedy offering future cooperation in exchange for Soviet help in getting himself elected... Certainly more evidence of (attempted) collusion, than there ever was against Trump...
But none of it was important, until Trump won the elections — and it became crucially important for the swamp to, if not impeach, keep him occupied and thus less dangerous to the crocodiles.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
oh, and the USA hasn't meddled with foreign powers, causing hundreds of thousands of deaths, maimings, starvation?
the stuff you link is mild in comparision
cold war. Rmoney showed their hand in his debate with Obama when he called Russia our biggest threat. He accidentally revealed their plan.
And Nikki Haley strong anti-Russia comments yesterday are further proof. Our UN ambassador shouldn't use such strong language. She should be more diplomatic. The Republicans want to go back to their golden years under Reagan.
We probably have.
Nope, we have not caused any of this. Notably, you aren't even attempting to cite examples.
My point in this thread was not to accuse Russia, but to expose the hypocrisy of anti-Trumpers.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
So when Obama finally crawled out from under his desk in the oval office and noticed Russia was meddling and sanctioned them plus threw some Russians out of the country that was also a Republican plot?
Oh wait I forgot, he would not have done that if Hillary had won. It was the setup to this whole bogus Russian collusion nonsense that gives Mueller and his prosecutors fat paychecks for years.
Iraq 2 alone covers all his complaints, you prevaricating shitstain
No u.
Greenwow has been trolling here for years. Occasionally he slips up and posts under his real /. handle, but usually it's AC like the first reply to his own post.
to find out which sanctioning options were least disagreeable. The great deal-maker has done his job and both parties are happy. Putin agrees to sanctions that don't hurt and Trump saves face in the press and keeps the secret financial info that the Russians hold over him secret.
US has meddled in the elections and politics of other countries for decades, including 1996 Russian presidential elections, the Georgian politics during and after the Rose Revolution of 2003, Ukrainian politics and elections of 2003 and during and after the 2013-14 constitutional crisis. Not to mention the open aggression against the governments of Iraq (2003), Libya (2011), and Syria (2011 through now).
Since we all went to Berlin in early November '89 to start hammering at the Wall, I thought the whole East vs. West problem was solved. With Russia supposedly no longer our enemy, and the US not working to isolate them via Truman's Doctrine, why would they want to mess with the USA? Wouldn't it be more productive to have them mess with a third-world country?
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Does this imply that the energy grid is on a network that could be accessed via the Internet? If that's the case, why, and why is it necessary?
If society wants everything connected online and there's going to be prices to pay. I guess the prospect of mass surveillance and control over the population is too big of a payoff for them. What a fucked up world we live in.
Ideological people are proud of their hypocrisy; it really annoys the other side. Try something else.
And for your second "point", if someone robs your house, that's illegal and they should be arrested. It doesn't matter if you had the latest security system, or no security system. Blaming the victim is what criminals do to excuse their own horrible behavior.
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Nope, we have not caused any of this. Notably, you aren't even attempting to cite examples.
Libya, Syria, Honduras and Yemen are just the latest examples I can recollect for the past five years or so.
USSR/Russia have been meddling with foreign politics for decades.
Centuries?
The entire "peace" movement was financed by the evil empire, financing everything "anti-war" in the West
Entire?
(while themselves invading neighbors like Hungary, Czechoslovakia, and Afghanistan).
Iraq, Panama, Grenada, Mexico, Honduras, Hawaii, the Cherokee, the Sioux, China, and oh yeah Afghanistan!
Similarly, they also funded "Black liberation".
The horrors! Why Americans couldn't be brazenly racist shits any longer! People actually started to care about lynchings.
There is even good evidence of Senator Edward Kennedy offering future cooperation in exchange for Soviet help in getting himself elected... Certainly more evidence of (attempted) collusion, than there ever was against Trump...
You were watching the Manchurian Candidate and confusing it for reality again, weren't you?
Ted Kennedy is dead, you couldn't prosecute him or his Nazi hating brothers anyway.
Trump may be brain dead but technically he is alive to bring to trial.
But none of it was important, until Trump won the elections â" and it became crucially important for the swamp to, if not impeach, keep him occupied and thus less dangerous to the crocodiles.
Why? You can distract Trump with a ball of aluminum foil if you put it on Faux and Friends. Only 99.99.99.
Even easier with his stalwarts. Just chase them with a few ethnic types with rifles.
Please, explain, how the US is responsible for hundreds of thousands of dead and maimed in these countries. You'll need to show, how none of the carnage would've happened, were it not for the US.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
You missed the Korea, Vietnam and two Iraq wars.
You missed the disaster in South America.
You have no clue about the horrible things your country did.
Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
Sure. It is perfectly natural for a happy, prosperous country to advocate its own way of life.
"Open" is quite the opposite of "covert", is not it? And covert meddling is the subject of this thread.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
>> causing hundreds of thousands of deaths, maimings, starvation?
> Nope, we have not caused any of this. Notably, you aren't even attempting to cite examples.
Have you never even heard of us deposing the democratically elected ruler of Iran?
Are you even remotely aware of what the CIA has done in South America?
Here's the Washington Post calling that out. Here's them listing 72 times we did that. And this is just the Washington Post, one of the papers most critical of Trump. Here are 7 governments we've overthrown.
Please read some history. There's a ton of stuff they never bother to mention in history class for some reason...
No "sanctions" of any sort will actually hit any of them, they are all safe in Russia. Americans are just a senile, alcoholic group of cretins who cannot accept that they have lost power and relevance at an international level. They are simply powerless against Putin. He won everywhere, in all of the geopolitical crises of the last decade: Ukraine, Syria, even the Snowden case. And they lost. Yawn...
Wait what? Now the narrative switched from "Trump is colluding with Russia" to "Trump wants to go to war with Russia"?
Man, some people have gone full-on stupid over Trump. Trump Derangement Syndrome is real.
It is thanks to America, that millions of South Koreans enjoy the prosperity and the human rights of Capitalism. That the millions of North Koreans and Vietnamese do not have these, is despite rather than because of anything we've done.
No, I didn't. The "horrible dictator" of Chile (US-sponsored) left his country the number one economy in the South America. While Russian-sponsored Chavez and Catro have ruined theirs.
Maybe, that's because we didn't...
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
I'm old enough to remember the Cold War. We always knew that the Soviet Union was supporting left-wing parties and causes, particularly in Europe. There was no big secret about that. And mostly we were fine with it, because it all seemed fair enough: they advocated for what they believed in, they spread the best propaganda they could come up with, and voters could choose to take it or leave it.
Today's operation is nothing like that. Now we have co-ordinated efforts, not to propagandize or support their ideology, but to spread hatred and division through deception. There are Russian trolls posing as Trump supporters, posing as diehard Hillary supporters, BLM supporters, Antifa, you name it - with the well co-ordinated goal of making all those groups as radicalized, vicious and closed-minded as possible.
You may not see how that differs from the Soviets funding Britain's CND in the 80s, but I damn' well do.
Both Eltsin and Putin were little more than US placed viceroys in practice. Putin only recently started to show any sort of irreverence to his overlords kinda like False Dmitry I. But make no mistake, it's not about Russia, it's about clowns in US trying to make an external scapegoat for their own mistakes.
Maybe now Russia will release the video of Trump with that teenage hooker we've heard about . . .
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The "horrible dictator" of Chile (US-sponsored) left his country the number one economy in the South America. While Russian-sponsored Chavez and Castro have ruined theirs
US sponsorship is probably propaganda. Or am I expected to believe that the CIA actually did something good for the people?
You are forgetting all wester European countries since the second world war. In most western European countries the community party would have won a fair and square election in the 60's and 70's if the CIA had not messed with it.
Most electrical grids carry signals, some provide internet service over the power lines too.
If it's got a signal and energy and it changes, it can transmit information.
Did you think there were magic gremlins adjusting systems?
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Are you claiming, the earlier efforts were not coordinated? That citizens of USSR could afford to spend millions of dollars on their own, without government providing the funds and coordinating the expenditures?
They've been doing that. Do you honestly think, USSR gave a rat's ass about the rights of Blacks in the USA? Of course, not. They sponsored "Black liberation" to spread hatred and division.
Yes, I do agree, that, whereas USSR of old was primarily supporting foreign Leftists, today's Russia is "omnivorous" — feeding German Leftists and France's Le Penn from the same purse.
It does tell us a few things about Russian leadership today (and their lack of principles), but my point was not about them, but about us here.
If collusion — such as coordinating one's political efforts with a foreign power, receiving money from same, promising the enemy quid pro quo — is wrong, then why is not "Black Panther" a dirty label, and Senator Kennedy's memory not a disgrace?
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
Putin needs to be removed in a way that sends a clear message to jackasses everywhere for generations to come.
Only in your mind. Meddled in foreign powers is a fairly broad accusation, and devoid of any analysis of positive vs negative. How many people have died or been maimed due to jihadis? Wasn't starvation happening under Sadam as well, how is it we get the blame for that? Not everyone in Iraq was sorry to see Sadam go. If fact, I think the people who were pissed off the most were the terrorists. I'd say mission accomplished there. A lot of people in Iraq are thankful for what we did. In spite of the poor execution. I might add that the poor execution was not for lack of trying. It was more a lack of deep appreciation for the task at hand by the generals chosen to do the job.
But none of it was important, until Trump won the elections
Why do you say that? Obama "was deeply concerned... he wanted the entire intelligence community all over this." https://www.washingtonpost.com...
Obama’s approach often seemed reducible to a single imperative: Don’t make things worse. As brazen as the Russian attacks on the election seemed, Obama and his top advisers feared that things could get far worse. They were concerned that any pre-election response could provoke an escalation from Putin.
...the principals and their deputies had by late September all but ruled out any pre-election retaliation against Moscow. They feared that any action would be seen as political and that Putin, motivated by a seething resentment of Clinton, was prepared to go beyond fake news and email dumps... "Our primary interest in August, September and October was to prevent them from doing the max they could do," said a senior administration official. “We made the judgment that we had ample time after the election, regardless of outcome, for punitive measures."
So there it is: this was considered crucially important before the election, but Obama's administration made the careful deliberate decision to delay action until after the election so as not to make it partisan and to avoid worse harm.
well, that's one way the CoDominium could be established.
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
The "community" party?
Of course, it's amazing that you think the CIA was so amazing that they controlled elections in over a dozen nations, without ever the slightest hint of it escaping. After all, look how secret they kept their Iran meddling... oh, wait, everyone has known about that for decades.
Well, maybe the CIA kept all their Cuba shenanigans secret? Oh, wait, we know all about those, too.
You mean Russia ?
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The "horrible dictator" of Chile (US-sponsored) left his country the number one economy in the South America.
So Chile inherited Brazil from Pinochet?
But no, the Chicago Boys committed a fraud that was quickly exposed.
Quite right. She should say, "Please don't hack our country and kill your opponents Mr Putin, if you don't mind, not that we're suggesting you'd do such a thing".
US has meddled in the elections and politics of other countries for decades
And it's terrible foreign policy and you'll be hard-pressed to find someone complaining about the Russian interference in the 2016 US presidential election that didn't already believe that before 2016. Yes, the United States is being hypocritical, but that doesn't mean they're wrong.
There are two very separate concepts:
1) powerlines carrying internet signals (e.g. by voltage fluctuation)
2) power network control computers being connected to the internet.
Having internet carried via powerlines is safe.
Having power network control computers on the internet is unsafe and stupid.
Once this becomes an emergency, Trump will be free to declare himself Emperor for life.
Pro tip: in English it's spelled "Yeltsin".
Seriously, is this the level of training you IRA goons get? Or are you just an amateur?
Go do some work Donny.
Russia could have interfered in the elections in a way that the Democrats would approve of. Just put a million Russians on boats and send them to California. California would have been happy to let them vote. Then, the Russians get back on the boats and go home.
"-1 Troll" is the apparently the same as "-1 I disagree with you."
Yeah he's reluctant ... you don't need to be a mindreader to get that. You're reluctant too, recalcitrant even.
Put Brazil 2014, and the entire latin/central america in this list, for the last 50 years. Christ they even funded an INVASION of CUBA
Strictly speaking it is not hacking at all, but cracking.
Yo dude! The 90s called, they want their pedantic nerds back!
In other news "THOU falling out of use in 2nd person singular ... Grammarians alarmed!"
I don't care how their names are spelled in Barbarian. Just recall your puppet rulers back already.
More clearly; They were afraid that any interference would potentially cost Hillary the presidency, and any interference from the Executive branch could be spun as corruption or undue influence (The swamp protecting one of their own.)
So they waited until after the election - after Hillary won - and they could pursue action through her administration.
Worked out well, didn't it? Never in their wildest dreams did they think Donald would win, and they didn't consider it as a real possibility and here we are.
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Brazil has a population of about 208 million, Chile has 17.5 million. Obviously the only meaningful comparison is per capita.
IMF GDP per capita (2017)
Chile: $24,588
Brazil: $15,500
No, I didn't. The "horrible dictator" of Chile (US-sponsored) left his country the number one economy in the South America.
Then that makes all the murders okay.
Fucking numbnut Trumpanzee sperg
It is thanks to America, that millions of South Koreans enjoy the prosperity and the human rights of Capitalism.
Do you really think that? Then you are an idiot.
Look at Vietnam e.g. it is united and has capitalism, and capitalism is probably the worst economy system we have.
You missed the disaster in South America.
No, I didn't. The "horrible dictator" of Chile (US-sponsored) left his country the number one economy in the South America.
After killing a million. Killing the rightful elected government. And "number on economy" my ass. I don't really want to know where you get your news from.
What about the rest of South America? Hu?
The point of this threat is: how many innocent america has killed. And you are not far behind Russia or China. If you think capitalism is better than the European controlled markets then stick in your backyard, have fun there. And avoid disclosing that you are an american if you ever are tempted to visit a country you tried to bomb back into the stone age.
Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
Energy Grid hacks you!
Meddled in foreign powers is a fairly broad accusation, and devoid of any analysis of positive vs negative
Meddling is meddling. You can try to justify it by claiming that it was for a noble purpose, but that's ignoring the fact that it's still meddling
Wasn't starvation happening under Sadam as well, how is it we get the blame for that?
When you got involved. Until then, the starvation was Saddam's fault. Once you stepped in, it became yours. Or do you only want to claim responsibility when you succeed?
Not everyone in Iraq was sorry to see Sadam go
That doesn't mean it wasn't meddling, nor that you stop being responsible for the deaths you caused directly, indirectly or as a result of removing the government and infrastructure that lead to yet more deaths. But hey, as you say 'mission accomplished'.
I might add that the poor execution was not for lack of trying. It was more a lack of deep appreciation for the task at hand by the generals chosen to do the job.
Incompetence doesn't absolve responsibility, and no one outside of primary school cares how hard you tried or what you really meant to do.
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To be clear, I'm a citizen of a country that sent troops to Iraq. I protested in most of the fashions legally available to me, but as it was my government who directed troops into Iraq, I am, ultimately, responsible for the deaths of those people. I take the privilege of voting seriously and understand that when a soldier obeys a legal order, that the authority traces back to the government and hence to those who could vote. Not just those who did vote, nor just those who voted for that government (I didn't). I am disgusted at the orders my government gave. I consider it a violation of the trust of those who have sworn an oath to obey. I am ashamed at being party to the invasion of a sovereign nation and I consider the death and suffering to be unacceptable.
No matter what justification you use.
People died because our governments gave orders to our soldiers. That makes _us_ responsible, and no amount of hand wringing will change that.
His post not only isn't "whatabboutery", it's nothing close to it.
Nur zur Info, mi ist ein ukrainischer Neurechter, der nach Amiland gezogen ist, ist also nur ein Moechtegernami. Und ein Depp ist er sowieso.
"It's such a fine line between stupid and clever" -- David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
Not really helping your case that you are calling the language that you are currently using Barbarian. That's some amateur hour propaganda, right there.
Brazil has a population of about 208 million, Chile has 17.5 million.
Obviously the only meaningful comparison is per capita.
IMF GDP per capita (2017)
Chile: $24,588
Brazil: $15,500
2017? Pinochet died in 2006. He stepped down as president of Chile. in 1990, and as Army commander in 1998.
At a minimum, you're two decades out of touch, maybe closer to three.
Sorry mi, your methodology is unsound.
How did it come to this, that slashdot is reduced to repeating US neocon waffle on a technology site.
https://www.us-cert.gov/ncas/a... Why are US utilities, businesses and government connecting -anything- important to the intertubes? If you have staff on site, why would you connect important industrial/process controls and information, including government/military stuff, to the net, where evil people can access them? Even more, why don't we see any explanation of this issue? We sanction Russia and China for invading our compooter systems, but nobody asks why these systems are accessible offsite. Even power generation systems can be operated, including frequency control, without a physical connection to the net. Of course, my engineering degree is rusty and dusty, I'm retired and old, so I may be totally wrong, but if that's the case, I hope someone below might address this issue. I know no better place to find the right people to ask this.
Olphart at play. Ruck FepubliKKKans. Welcome to the Worldwide Idiocracy, y'all.
They examples you chose are suggestive that you are a Russian troll, or a Russophile, or anti-US.
In which case, the Russians did far worse in 3/5 of your own examples. This whole line of argumentation, where anyone who does anything ever, which then disqualifies them from ever having some good in them, is bullshit. Also bullshit? The idea that Russia is morally, governmentally, and judicially "the same as" the United States.
For all it's failings the U.S. is far freer, more just, and accountable than Russia has ever been. Russia today is little better governed than it was under the Tsars.
I was wondering if you were gonna show up in this post about how Russiagate is truly a real thing and try to pretend like it isn't :)
These sanctions were mandated by Congress which passed a law last year REQUIRING the Trump administration to act. It even had a deadline by which that action was required to take place (sometime last January).
The fact that the Cheeto-in-Charge waited some 45 days past the deadline to do anything speaks volumes about how much he was behind these sanctions. The Donald still sees Vlad as a friend and ally.
C'mon Republicans, are you really going to continue to ignore what this bozo is doing to our country? Impeach him and put Pence in charge. Believe me, no Democrat wants someone like Pence in charge, but at least he's not bat shit insane like Trump (I hope so, anyway).
It's good to know McCarthyism still has adherents willing to peddle whatever easily disproven propaganda they can just to get laughed at. You do realize that the vast majority of people in the world (just not in the US) knows how wrong you are on every single link you posted? Your script needs updating from Mr. Koch, I believe.
Oh the historical revisionism! South Korea also has some of the most ruthless death camps presently in the world. Did you know that? Of course you didn't; you're an emotionally blinded illogical American.
Pinochet is by every standard the worst thing that's ever happened to Chile. You should ask a Chilean about Pinochet, and see how angry they get. Nevermind the well known and multiply proven fact that Chile never recovered economically until they returned to socialist economy. This is extremely easy to research and find out on your own, but you refuse to bear the weight of your cognitive dissonance, so are doomed to remain forever ignorant on the world around you.
I truly pity you, you sad little person.
You were already thoroughly disproven upthread about your laughable claims of USSR funding the Black Panthers. Why do you persist in your easily debunkable lies? You're only proving your own gullibility and ignorance.
Gut zu Wissen :D
Ich kenne leider ein paar von der Sorte, die jetzt in Deutschland leben, und z.B. absolute Türkenhasser sind ... unglaublich.
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What case? I don't advocate any case. Just communicating what I'm feeling. Not everything follows some narrative. And the fact that I'm getting compared to IRA just for sharing what I think convinces me that all this is bullshit. Because I do know that I'm just yet another person and not some imaginary shady paid troll. Of course what I think doesn't matter to you but who cares..
I checked how his name is spelled in Cyrillic. "Yeltsin" is how it reads, not "Eltsin". (The "i" in both cases should be pronounced like "ee" in English.)
If you were a halfway competent Russian troll, you'd know that.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
The Bay of Pigs invasion was done mostly by Cuban exiles, funded, armed, trained, and organized by the US. It's a mess, but it's at least partly civil war and not a US invasion.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
You're missing the point. Everybody does propaganda. That's not a problem. Giving money to groups in other countries is also common. Interfering with elections directly is the problem.
Could you give me an actual pointer to a claim that Ted Kennedy got help from Russia/the USSR? Your cite is useless in tracking that down.
Considering how blacks were treated before the Civil Rights movement, you're going to have a hard sell to convince me that black liberation actually increased hate and division in the US.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
That would have approximately no effect. A temporary move like that, even if California let them vote, would not increase California's representation in Congress or its electoral votes.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
But might be enough to swing the electoral vote a different way.
Anyways, it was a joke.
"-1 Troll" is the apparently the same as "-1 I disagree with you."
Idiomatic speech is difficult, isn't it? Harder than translating and transliterating proper nouns, and it should be a lot harder than not outing yourself as a troll by hurling an epithet at the language that you are using. I hope for your sake that you aren't getting paid for posting this nonsense, because you'll need to find another job if you are.
Calling Putin a viceroy is pretty rich though, I hadn't heard that one before.
mi ist vor Allem ein Russenhasser. Aber sowas von.
"It's such a fine line between stupid and clever" -- David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
These power plants, industries, universities, government compooters, etc. are in places that have people present always. Yes, I understand that power generation facilities have to regulate their operations to maintain frequency standards, so they need to know what the rest of the system's doing and work accordingly. Even that function doesn't need to be connected to the 'net, they can do this manually. There's very little they need to do that requires internet connections. I just fail to understand why things like power plant SCADA operations are connected to the net. It's obvious that's not a good thing, having such critical compooter systems connected, potentially open to a smart person/group with nefarious intentions. Can't these things be done by the people that are onsite? What are the compelling reasons they're connected? I've asked many times, many places, since this issue became a thing, and nowhere has anyone responded. Sure, the folks that don't know should stay quiet, but I don't see anyone else asking this question, and nobody talks about the issue. They complain, they punish Russia(too little too late, thanks Trump/RepubliKKKans), but these critical compooter systems remain connected. Why?
Olphart at play. Ruck FepubliKKKans. Welcome to the Worldwide Idiocracy, y'all.
Obama already did that by not prosecuting Hillary's dumb ass for her email server, while being absolutely ruthless with anyone else who mishandled classified evidence. Even David Petraeus, despite getting a slap on the wrist at the end, was prosecuted for his actions.
Speaking of Obama, he (very politely) called out Hillary for her laziness and sense of entitlement. He would go to red districts to campaign, and while he might still lose by ten points, thats better than losing by 40 points. Hillary couldn't be bothered to campaign in Iowa, Michigan, Pennsylvania or Wisconsin, yet we're supposed to blame a few thousand dollars in Facebook ads for her loss in a $9+ election.
Uh huh. Found Saddam's WMD's yet or his personal notes on planning 911 yet? If you're a dipshit-dumbfuck running up to kick the CIA's football, that's your call, but don't expect other people to join you.
Nitpicking at grammar mistakes is the most boring, half-hearted kind of trolling. Probably you actually are paid for this, since coming up with something creative is more than your job's worth. Yet I came up with non-boring reply, even though you don't deserve it.
"came up with non-boring reply"
Excuse me, I believe you dropped an article, comrade.