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'They'll Squash You Like a Bug': How Silicon Valley Keeps a Lid on Leakers (theguardian.com)

The public image of Silicon Valley's tech giants is all colourful bicycles, ping-pong tables, beanbags and free food, but behind the cartoonish facade is a ruthless code of secrecy. From a report: They rely on a combination of Kool-Aid, digital and physical surveillance, legal threats and restricted stock units to prevent and detect intellectual property theft and other criminal activity. However, those same tools are also used to catch employees and contractors who talk publicly, even if it's about their working conditions, misconduct or cultural challenges within the company. While Apple's culture of secrecy, which includes making employees sign project-specific NDAs and covering unlaunched products with black cloths, has been widely reported, companies such as Google and Facebook have long put the emphasis on internal transparency.

Zuckerberg hosts weekly meetings where he shares details of unreleased new products and strategies in front of thousands of employees. Even junior staff members and contractors can see what other teams are working on by looking at one of many of the groups on the company's internal version of Facebook. "When you first get to Facebook you are shocked at the level of transparency. You are trusted with a lot of stuff you don't need access to," said Evans, adding that during his induction he was warned not to look at ex-partners' Facebook accounts.

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  1. Don't $hit where you eat by known_coward_69 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Your employer is paying you for a service. Don't help the competition and screw up their business. Don't blab about your employer on social media or anywhere else.

    If you're too stupid to realize that, you'll have a hard time at life

    1. Re:Don't $hit where you eat by Rakarra · · Score: 4, Informative

      Your employer is paying you for a service. Don't help the competition and screw up their business. Don't blab about your employer on social media or anywhere else.

      I learned pretty quickly: I like my job. I want my company to do well, and I want to do well as well. I have no social need to appear 'cool' on the Internet; I'm not that weak. Others do not need to know what products my company is launching. They don't.

    2. Re:Don't $hit where you eat by tattood · · Score: 1

      I have no social need to appear 'cool' on the Internet; I'm not that weak.

      The people doing the leaking, are not doing it to be cool on the Internet. They do it because they get some compensation ($$) from the person they leak the information to.

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    3. Re:Don't $hit where you eat by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      Wow. This is the most ignorant comment I've seen in a long time.

      Back that up. Right now. Who got paid, for what?

      I'm not defending Facebook. Quite the contrary. But if we want to get at the truth we must filter out the BS.

      So: offer something that will get through the filter. Otherwise you are quite literally wasting everybody's time.

  2. Re:SJWs are the Worst by rogoshen1 · · Score: 1

    oh the hyperbole, come the fuck on.

  3. Re: SJWs are the Worst by sycodon · · Score: 1, Troll

    Fuck off and die.

    I suggest gasoline. That would be an appropriate death for you.

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  4. Re: SJWs are the Worst by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You start a comment with "fuck you and your daughter" and you're surprised at the response you got?

    Hope fantasizing about some stranger's kids getting murdered helps you get your rocks off. I bet you've even convinced yourself you're not the asshole here.

    Go ahead and try to stop a criminal with your knife. Better yet, get rid of the knife and just give him a big condescending speech, then he'll just give you his gun. Or use your fucking "karate". Idiot.

  5. As opposed to companies outside of SV? by cubicle_cowboy · · Score: 1

    Are there companies that treat leakers well? I would think most (successful) companies put a lot of work into keeping their secrets secret.

    1. Re:As opposed to companies outside of SV? by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      Well, if companies are in the PR phase, they reward leakers.

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    2. Re:As opposed to companies outside of SV? by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And what if the leak -- as has so often happened -- involves some kind of malpractice or malfeasance or blatant discrimination or other prohibited practice?

      This discussion seems to be omitting those cases, but as we have learned, they are all too common.

      In fact, there is a lot of information coming out now suggesting that corruption in silicon valley and social media has become what one might call "rampant".

  6. Re:And the thug see her getting her gun... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    But, robbery and rape are many times more frequent than murder. Somehow, you imaginary world just doesn't match up with the real one.

    In the real one, the CDC studies of gun violence have consistently show the same thing: Private gun ownership prevents about 1.5 million crimes per year. Minimum 500,000, max 2.5 million. Most of those would-be victims are women and elderly.

    But you'd rather see more women beaten, robbed, and raped than see someone allowed to protect themselves. That makes you an asshole.

  7. Yes, it's called "professionalism" by enjar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I am privy to new features, bugs, big initiatives/deliverables, ship dates, financial data, methodologies, long term vision, etc at my company. Management is very clear this kind of stuff is confidential until the official software is released, or should never be released since it is considered proprietary, confidential, or may slip a release if the project doesn't work out for some reason. It happens. We do share certain information with partners, big customers, etc, but all under NDA and with similar disclaimers (e.g. "this is planned for this release but it is never guaranteed").

    If I decided to blab this stuff somehow I would 100% expect to be fired if I was found out. I can read and comprehend the "CONFIDENTIAL -- DO NOT RELEASE" thing that's on all documents and presentations like this.

    1. Re:Yes, it's called "professionalism" by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 2

      Although this is obviously the way the world works, I would point out it both a) leaves us open to insider trading and b) distorts the free market via incomplete information among consumers.

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    2. Re:Yes, it's called "professionalism" by known_coward_69 · · Score: 2

      I work for a financial company. We're not allowed to trade without getting permission and we have to specify the stock I'm buying. Company shares I can't buy except for special periods during the year, only with permission and I have to hold them a minimum of 6 months or something similar.

      My employer has access to my broker account and knows about any trade within a day or less so it's not like I can buy a stock and keep it secret. If I don't report a broker account, my employer will find out anyway because all the brokers report to the same system for this stuff.

    3. Re:Yes, it's called "professionalism" by Comrade+Ogilvy · · Score: 1

      That sounds nice in theory, but it is not logically possible to have complete information available, ever. What would that even look like? Should I let the world, including our competitors, read all my work email? Does the public get to peruse our defect tracking system? Should a put a webcam in every meeting room and broadcast it through a youtube channel?

      As a practical matter, lines must be drawn somewhere and reasonable attempts must be made to discourage employees from crossing those lines, so that it is not too easy to game the system. That is all that can be done. There is never going to be an unambiguously correct place to draw any ethical line. They is never going to be perfect enforcement of any ethical rule.

    4. Re:Yes, it's called "professionalism" by swillden · · Score: 1

      Although this is obviously the way the world works, I would point out it both a) leaves us open to insider trading and b) distorts the free market via incomplete information among consumers.

      Most companies that make this sort of information generally available to employees inform those employees that they're legally considered insiders by the SEC and that they are barred from trading the company's stock except during specific trading windows.

      Executives at all publicly-traded companies fall under these restrictions.

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    5. Re:Yes, it's called "professionalism" by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      Oh, yeah, complete information is not going to realistically happen. I just find the tradeoffs there fascinating. I mean, companies need secret information to function (I think. I'm not sure. 100% public disclosure of defects would be nice, but lead to them not getting entered into the system. The finance world would get turned upside down, but I htink I'm okay with that.)

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    6. Re:Yes, it's called "professionalism" by Comrade+Ogilvy · · Score: 1

      The tradeoffs are interesting. It is worth noting that a century or so ago, insider trading was simply legal. When the question came up before a judge, the judge just shrugged and said that it seems natural enough that being CEO has its benefits when it comes to dealing in the company stock. It was legislation that brought the idea of insider trading into being.

  8. Re: SJWs are the Worst by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You know what else doesn't help in a mugging or a robbery? Gun control. Because, surprise, they're already breaking the law.

    So what's your point? The guy's daughter doesn't deserve a gun because it probably won't stop her from being raped? So the fuck what?

    Your right to defend yourself is not predicated on your ability to do so successfully. Stop trying to strip the rights away from others by projecting your own feelings of ineffectiveness onto the rest of the world.

  9. Re:SJWs are the Worst by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Yeah, notice the two companies shown positively (google and facebook) are SJW havens?

  10. Re:And the thug see her getting her gun... by Aighearach · · Score: 2

    If it was a CDC study, you'd link to the CDC. It says right in your link that what actually happened was that the CDC contributed funding to study problems related to gun violence, and the thing you're linking to is a policy paper that outlines objectives of the people who received that funding.

    Notice the bait-and-switch?

    Yes, the CDC has spent money to study gun violence. Yes, the people who wrote that policy paper received some of that money. No, that does not mean that the CDC supports their agenda, and no it does not imply that the things those people hope to prove were already proved by the CDC. LOL

  11. Re:SJWs are the Worst by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 1

    I really pity you. What kind of cesspool are you guys forced to live in that forces your daughter to carry a gun for self-defense? I have lived in several countries, but have never, ever, lived in places anywhere nearly as dreadful as all that, even when I was a poor student. What kind of broken, dysfunctional Third World country are we talking about here? My heart goes to you and your misfortune.

  12. Fecebook is full of feces... by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2

    At the end of the day, Facebook is an ad-supported self-publishing platform, nothing more or less in the end. Whether news about a new feature comes out today or in two weeks isn't going to make or break their business model. The witch-hunting smells of inflated senses of self-importance.

    Random car and personal searches? Access to personal email and phone calls written into contracts? We're not talking about Los Alamos in the 1940s, where they designed weapons capable of killing millions, yet security is on that level. Why? Inflated egos of management of a company that thinks it's more important to the world than it actually is.

    Remember MySpace? AOL? No? Good. That's where FB will be in 15 years.

  13. Re:SJWs are the Worst by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Interesting.. Lets compare this with the current left wing narrative.

    1. nationalist jingoism: no. They're 180 degrees out, usually saying how the incumbent culture/country does not deserve to exist or have an 'identity.'

    2. human rights: this depends on what you mean by human rights. If you mean rights such as equal opportunity, free speech, self-defense, innocence until proven guilty, etc, then both the left and the right are failing here.

    3. Enemies as unifying cause: Again, both have been guilty of this in the past, but right now, it's the left targeting the evil white and/or straight and/or male. Patriarchy 'theory' is a perfect example, as is the whole "non-whites can't be racist" routine. The whole 'power+privilege' thing is pretty obvious about it.

    4. supremacy of the military: Sorry, but both extremes love their military (and militarized police!). There's plenty of historical evidence to back this up (was the iron curtain built by fascists or socialists? was it meant to keep people out or in?). How else are they going to keep citizens in line?

    5. Rampant sexism? You mean like campus rape tribunals modeled after their Soviet counterparts? Insufferably anti-male HR department 'harassment' policy? Sexist hiring policies at google? The left is the current leader these days. They've become what they claim to fight.

    6. Controlled mass media? The vast majority of the mainstream media is center-left at the very least. Who's getting banned from social media? It's not the SJWs. It's their critics. Who's calling everyone who doesn't agree with them 'fascists' every day on TV? Does Colbert make fun of hillary or trump?

    7. here in the US, corporate power is protected, but people are still free to unionize and protest. Sometimes they win, sometimes not.

    8. Disdain for intellectuals/arts: well that's also subjective. If you're talking about the so-called 'intellectuals' on ivy league campuses babbling about new gender pronouns and 'social justice', I have little sympathy.

    9. Obsession with crime/punishment: Both sides win here. Plenty of history backs that up. Was it America or the Soviet Union who had the gulag system? (the answer today is arguably both).

    10. Cronyism.. Cronyism happens in every government, tyrannical or not. As in crony capitalism goes? That's a left wing thing.

    11. fraudulent elections: Again, plenty of examples on both sides. Tyrants don't like citizens choosing who rules.

  14. Re: SJWs are the Worst by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    I've had my ass whooped about 5 or 6 times
    But have handed out double that amount in ass whoopings.

    You're too much of a snowflake to even log into Slashdot, where someone might associate your ideas with an email address. Given how easy it is to get a free email account, that's exceptionally pathetic. I'm thinking you're about thirteen years old, and the only ass you've ever kicked has been your own.

    Run along, child. We can have banal arguments without you.

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  15. Re:SJWs are the Worst by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    CA where they let illegals off for murdering citizens.

  16. Re:SJWs are the Worst by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    You know what happens to people who carry knives?

    They get shot.

  17. Re:And the thug see her getting her gun... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The NAP is the National Academies Press, and is the US Government official publication arm for things like the CDC, the National Academy of Sciences, Medicine, and the like. The study presented stems from President Obama's 2013 executive order that the CDC and related Government agencies study causes for gun violence and devise strategies to minimize it. The research shows that for every violent use of a firearm, there are approximately 5+ uses for defensive purposes.

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  18. Re:SJWs are the Worst by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 2

    If she used a gun to defend against a fist fight, that's called murder and she'll go to prison.

    Probably not, as long as she can show she had definite fear of loss of her life. After all, a single punch can kill. If she's 110 pounds, and up against someone much larger than her, then use of a firearm will NOT be murder at all, but a reasonable means of self-defense.

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  19. Re:SJWs are the Worst by epine · · Score: 1

    When she returns to a population center larger than Seneca, Nebraska, maybe she won't need the gun so much.

    The largest regulating influence on physical confrontation is the social environment. On average, woman slightly outperform men in best exploiting their social environment.

    Bottom line: step away from the bathroom scale, and consider some of the other crucial factors.

  20. "Squash you like a bug" by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    No, they keep the bugs in and squash the staff.

  21. Re:Orwellian by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 1

    Honestly though, if you're in the habit of plugging random USB thumb-drives you found into your regular computer, you're probably not the sharpest cookie in the first place. It's such a common vector for nefarious actors to inject malware that it's almost a cliche at this point. It shouldn't be an "instantly escorted out of the building" offense. But a very stern talking to on the part of the infosec team would definitely be in order.

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  22. Re:SJWs are the Worst by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    How bout a knife, instead of arming your CHILD with an INDUSTRIAL SCALE KILLING MACHINE.

    Because some of the thugs out there are industrial scale killers. You need something that will impress them with your will to live.

  23. Re:SJWs are the Worst by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    If she used a gun to defend against a fist fight, that's called murder and she'll go to prison.

    Not here in Arizona she wouldn't.

  24. Re:SJWs are the Worst by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    radical left-wing puppet.

    No Puppet. No Puppet. You’re the Puppet!

    https://youtu.be/UaVWRetR4jg

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  25. Re:SJWs are the Worst by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 1

    Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was “used” by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies (Kleck, 1988; Kleck and DeLone, 1993; Southwick, 2000; Tark and Kleck, 2004).

    - "Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence." Institute of Medicine and . 2013. Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence. Washington, DC: The National Academies Press. doi: 10.17226/18319.

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  26. No not really by aepervius · · Score: 2

    All of it is mostly based on self reporting and anecdote.The problem is that there is no clear definition and evidence for DGU - depending on how you count them (some guy in the street speak to you, you show your concealed firearm, they go away, was it because it was a banger and he wanted to rob you or was it a fine citizen shocked and afraid you showed your weapon so freely ? Some study count this as DGU because they rely on the gun owner chosing option 1. Other do not as it can clearly be option 2). All in all if you limit to what is evidenceable you get around 80K DGU per year. And comapred to gun murder alone this may be a bit bigger, but comapred to gun violence (which include being threatened with a gun to get robbed) this is a DROP in the sea. And while DGU do indeed exists , it is pretty clear they are a side effect of having so much firearm, the same proxy with murder. Lower the firearm reach ability, this lower the DGU and lower the incident and murder. There is a reason dis-arming worked in some countries and it showed to be effective.

    Now you may have a Philosophical reason to have gun so readily available, that is fine, but DGU is not a good reason, you are only contributing to the problem. The solution is to lower availability and lower frequency of shooting versus reload for civilian weapon. I have hunted, and even for boar hunting we never had a 15 or even 30 rounds magazine - it was all manually reloaded either 2 sided chevrotine riffle (think shotgun) or bolt loaded. Semi auto and machine gun are for war, not for hunt. IMO basically all civilian weapon should be manual type and have at most 2 or 3 for riffle, and at most 6 for guns, no semi auto allowed. If you need more than that for *normal* usage you are doing it wrong - as a society.

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    1. Re:No not really by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Low estimate is 500K; high estimate is 3MM. That's from the NAM and NAP, and their sources are fully referenced. You have anything better other than your own gut instinct?

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  27. Re: SJWs are the Worst by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    Re: SJWs are the Worst (Score:2)
    by drinkypoo ( 153816 ) <martin.espinoza@gmail.com> on 03-16-18 14:48 (#56272251) Homepage Journal
    [...]
    You're too much of a snowflake to even log into Slashdot,

    Drinkypoo? You might as well have not logged in. I lmao at dumbshits who have essentially anonymous logins who criticize others for real anonymous logins.

    I lmao at dumbshits who can't read. Your parents must be real proud of you.

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  28. Re:And the thug see her getting her gun... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

    The police tend to show up after the start of the commission of a crime. They cannot be everywhere, and in fact multiple Court decisions explicitly state the police have no requirement to protect you unless they are present at the time of the crime.

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  29. Re:And the thug see her getting her gun... by Aighearach · · Score: 1

    No, you waved your hands and claimed n blah blah for every blah.

    That's not what any of the linked studies (there were none) said. It did say that people wanted to study if such a thing were true, using methodology that would actually prove something totally different.

  30. Re:SJWs are the Worst by Aighearach · · Score: 1

    Right, but using "one punch can kill" as an excuse for why you shot somebody doesn't describe self defense, it describes admitting to murder.

    This is not theory, don't be an idiot. Self defense isn't based on making a promise that you were really super-duper scared even though the threat was only with fists. That's daft. There is an actual process to measure it. And "oh a punch can kill" are not magic words that make it legal to use a deadly weapon to defend against a minor assault.

  31. Re:SJWs are the Worst by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

    No, it doesn't. You are allowed to protect yourself from imminent danger and threats. It's not a murder, it's self-defense. It is actually defined to what you claim it isn't, and has a legal standard which fits. If you believe you are imminent mortal danger, and can reasonably prove that your belief was valid, then it's self-defense and not murder. And being half the size of an attacker can easily grant that. You do not need to be armed to be deadly...

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  32. Re:SJWs are the Worst by Aighearach · · Score: 1

    Don't be a moron. Instead of posting those links and asserting that you are Right, fucking read them.

    Somebody punching you is a low level misdemeanor, not even a felony. The link explains if you can use deadly force or not. (not) You can't even use a weapon. Simply displaying the weapon when the threat is a misdemeanor actually is likely to be a felony itself; a bystander might even legally shoot you in defense of the person you're threatening with the weapon!

    What a maroon. Read your own fucking links, asshole.

  33. Re: SJWs are the Worst by i286NiNJA · · Score: 1

    Login status actually means a lot in an age when any given commenter may not actually be posting their opinion but instead what they're paid to write.