Slashdot Mirror


The Ordinary Engineering Behind the Horrifying Florida Bridge Collapse (wired.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from WIRED: The people of Sweetwater, Florida were supposed to wait until early 2019 for the Florida International University-Sweetwater University City Bridge to open. Instead, they will wait about that long for an official assessment from the National Transportation Safety Board of why it collapsed just five days after its installation, killing at least six people. In the immediate aftermath of the disaster, many queries have centered on the unconventional technique used to build the bridge, something called Accelerated Bridge Construction, or ABC. But ABC is more complicated than its acronym suggests -- and it's hardly brand new. ABC refers to dozens of construction methods, but at its core, it's about drastically reducing on-site construction time. Mostly, that relies on pre-fabricating things like concrete decks, abutments, walls, barriers, and concrete topped steel girders, and hauling them to the work site. There, cranes or specialized vehicles known as Self-Propelled Modular Transporter install them. A video posted online by Florida International University, which helped fund the bridge connects to its campus, showed an SPMT lifting and then lowering the span into place.

In a now-deleted press release, the university called the "largest pedestrian bridge moved via SPMT in U.S. history," but that doesn't seem to mean much, engineering-wise. SPMTs have been around since the 1970s, and have moved much heavier loads. In 2017, workers used a 600-axle SPMT to salvage the 17,000 ton ferry that sank off the coast of South Korea in 2014. The ABC technique is much more expensive than building things in place, but cities and places like FIU like it for a specific reason: Because most of the work happens far away, traffic goes mostly unperturbed. When years- or months-long construction projects can have serious effects on businesses and homes, governments might make up the money in the long run. Workers installed this collapsed span in just a few hours. These accelerated techniques are also much safer for workers, who do most their work well away from active roads.
The report goes on to note that the bridge collapse is still under investigation and the search for a culprit is ongoing. "The answers could run the gamut, from design flaws to fabrication flubs to installation issues," reports WIRED. As of publication, The Washington Post is reporting that an engineer called the state to report cracking two days before its collapse.

25 of 276 comments (clear)

  1. The usual pattern by 31eq · · Score: 4, Informative

    Like every engineering disaster, somebody found the problem, and failed to communicate its severity. In this case, they decided it wasn't a safety issue (cracks in a brand new bridge!) and left a voice mail with somebody else who was out of the office for a few days.

    There's no substitute for risk assessments by fully qualified engineers, of course. But those engineers also need communication skills â" including persuasive skills. Engineers who can find somebody in authority and convince them to take action save lives.

    1. Re: The usual pattern by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The question I havenâ(TM)t seen asked, much less answered, is this: the final bridge was supposed to be supported by cables from a central pier. Why was safe to install the sections without that support?

    2. Re: The usual pattern by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      The bridge was basically a truss, self-supported. The stays were to be pipes to add stiffness and controlling harmonics in high winds. As well as for aesthetics.

    3. Re:The usual pattern by thegarbz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Like every engineering disaster

      That isn't even remotely true. The vast majority of engineering disasters happen without identification and without warning. An even larger number of infrastructure disasters have nothing to do with engineering as well.

      somebody found the problem, and failed to communicate its severity

      Nope. Somebody found *a* problem and didn't know of the severity. Cracks don't mean much at all. It may or may not have had anything to do with the collapse.

      There's no substitute for risk assessments by fully qualified engineers, of course

      You're right. But you fail to realise that this takes time.

    4. Re:The usual pattern by denbesten · · Score: 4, Informative

      Like every engineering disaster, somebody found the problem, and failed to communicate its severity. In this case, they decided it wasn't a safety issue (cracks in a brand new bridge!) and left a voice mail with somebody else who was out of the office for a few days.

      There's no substitute for risk assessments by fully qualified engineers, of course. But those engineers also need communication skills â" including persuasive skills. Engineers who can find somebody in authority and convince them to take action save lives.

      A recent press release reports that there was a meeting the morning before the collapse in which engineers and persons in authority concluded that the cracks did not compromise the structural integrity.

      So no, I don't think there was a problem with "failure to escalate". Really, the big message here is that one needs to reserve judgement until the facts have a chance to surface. There is an official investigation underway. Amongst other things, It will determine if the analysis of the cracks was accurate and it will also determine if an appropriate escalation process was followed.

      While waiting, we should be asking if other "civilians" are at risk due to the lessons we have not yet learned from this collapse. For example, we may temporarily decide to prohibit "civilians" from being underneath active construction sites until we better understand how to protect them.

  2. Was the suspension complete? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The engineering drawings I have seen show a tall tower with suspension supports coming down to support the span. Was the tower complete and the suspension in place when it broke or was that for completion later? Also the suspension when to both sides of the tower so it was balanced. Are there any pictures of the bridge while it was "good" to compare with the engineering drawing?
    See here for a 3d view of the design. As far as I could tell the tower, the section over the water and the suspension lines were not in place when it collapsed.
    https://youtu.be/Q2A1wS09p0k?t=5

    1. Re:Was the suspension complete? by josiahgould · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, the suspension tower and cables were not in place. I don't see how they expected a suspended span to survive without the suspension cables, but then again I wasn't paid to make the plans. I of course base all my findings on Bridge Construction Set for DOS.

    2. Re:Was the suspension complete? by hey! · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't know if there are any pictures, but the situation has been confused by media reports that workers were "tightening cables" at the time it collapsed. However it turns out the pylon for the suspension cables had not been erected yet; the workers were tightening cables that ran through the structure.

      It's impossible to say whether the cable-tightening, or the cracks reportedly found in the span, had anything to do with the collapse. It's possible that neither did; it's possible that both did. Engineering disasters tend to be complex and they take time to nail down.

      --
      Post may contain irony: discontinue use if experiencing mood swings, nausea or elevated blood pressure.
    3. Re:Was the suspension complete? by jonnythan · · Score: 5, Funny

      Anonymous Coward says "see my other post for more details."

    4. Re:Was the suspension complete? by michael_cain · · Score: 5, Interesting

      USAToday reports that the bridge was a truss design. They quote the design firm saying the central tower and stay-like wires shown in architect's drawings were decorative, not structural.

    5. Re:Was the suspension complete? by quantaman · · Score: 3, Funny

      Anonymous Coward says "see my other post for more details."

      It's a little known fact that all AC posts are written by the same guy.

      He's actually quite brilliant but his writings are of wildly inconsistent quality since he hasn't slept in almost 20 years.

      --
      I stole this Sig
  3. Truss Bridge Self Supported. Not Cable Stayed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    To start, it was a truss bridge, self-supported. The stays shown in final drawings are pipes for stiffening and harmonics in high winds.

    The structure was non-redundant. A failure of any truss was near guaranteed to lead to collapse. It's theorized by some that truss member #11 at the junction of the pier was initial failure point.

    In preliminary drawings, #11 is shown with no post-tensioning bars, but the actual construction shows it with two. While those bars in #11 may have been necessary due to the move, since the ends of the bridge were cantilevered (which is different than shown in the preliminary drawings), they likely weren't needed after placement; not needed to be post-tensioned, since #11 would be in high compression.

    It appears workers were post-tensioning #11 using a crane and other equipment attached to one of the post-tension rods. It appears tensioner (blue) and part of the bar is sticking out several feet in photos of the collapse. According to some, this likely lead to the collapse.

    1. Re:Truss Bridge Self Supported. Not Cable Stayed. by McGruber · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Mod AC up!

      I'm a Professional Engineer, though not licensed in Florida nor am I an expert in concrete bridges. Based upon the pictures of the debris I've seen, the bridge was made using prestressed concrete. Prestressed concrete is an amazing material - the steel reinforcement inside the concrete is used to compress the concrete, which causes the concrete member to act like high strength steel when it is loaded with tension forces.

      AC's comment above explains what happened:

      In preliminary drawings, #11 is shown with no post-tensioning bars, but the actual construction shows it with two. While those bars in #11 may have been necessary due to the move, since the ends of the bridge were cantilevered (which is different than shown in the preliminary drawings), they likely weren't needed after placement; not needed to be post-tensioned, since #11 would be in high compression.

      It appears workers were post-tensioning #11 using a crane and other equipment attached to one of the post-tension rods. It appears tensioner (blue) and part of the bar is sticking out several feet in photos of the collapse. According to some, this likely lead to the collapse.

      In its final placement as a bridge, truss member #11 would be in compression, so there was no reason to prestress it. Per AC, the preliminary design drawings did not show the two post-tensioning rods in this member.

      My guess, based upon AC's post, is that when the builders decided to assemble the bridge using the accelerated technique, the designers realized that there would be tension forces on truss member #11 during the move.... so the design drawings were changed to add the two post tensioning rods to truss member #11.

      Once the bridge was in place, the construction workers evidently began tightening the two post tensioning members even more. Member #11 was already being loaded with compression forces, from the dead weight loading of the bridge.... and tightening the post tensioners would have placed more compressive loading onto member #11. Once the combined compressive loadings (from the dead weight and the tensioning) exceeded the compressive strength of the concrete, the concrete would fail (it makes a loud popping sound when it fails in lab tests) and the single, non-redundant truss would fail.

      If my speculation is correct, it will be interesting to see whether the Figg, the engineering firm that designed the bridge, or the construction contractor gets blamed.

    2. Re:Truss Bridge Self Supported. Not Cable Stayed. by Ryanrule · · Score: 4, Informative

      He just watched the ave video is all. https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

  4. Re:I blame Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "Hello, I'm an American. As such I have some sort of pathological need to reference my personal political beliefs in every single interaction I have with anyone and anything. No matter how unrelated the discussion at hand is."

  5. The problem here was the bridge itself by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In my town we have a footbridge that was installed this way, several years ago. It was factory-built in Phoenix, hauled 100 miles up I-17 using one of the smaller roadable version of the SPMT, and installed overnight to cross a creek. There hasn't been a problem since.

    Offsite construction should be safer than site-built, so in this disaster let's focus on the design itself, rather than rushing to judgement on the offsite construction.

    1. Re:The problem here was the bridge itself by c · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yeah, we have a couple where I work. Footbridges over a four lane highway. They seem solid... the newest one's been hit by dump and garbage trucks a couple times without any issue. But they're designed to be self-supporting rather than depending on external cable towers.

      My gut feeling is that if they'd just put a central support beam on that median in the center of the bridge it would've made quite a difference.

      --
      Log in or piss off.
  6. Re:It was half a bridge, or even less by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    It was not a cable-stayed bridge. It's a truss. See my other posts for details. Hopefully, someone can mod them up for visibility. Thanks in advance!

  7. Re:It was half a bridge, or even less by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    It was in the process of being constructed, they hadn't got to that bit yet. It was engineered from day 1 to be put up without the supporting pylon. However some things were changed from the initial design.

    AvE does his best to analyse what went wrong.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioC61QW7SHQ&t=0s
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtiTm2dKLgU&t=0s

  8. Re:It was half a bridge, or even less by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Obviously it wasn't strong enough to span the distance without them

    That isn't obvious at all. That's why we do incident investigations. Just because it's final design was to have cables doesn't mean that during construction this wasn't taken into account. There is a lot of reasons why this incident could have happened.

  9. Cable tightening.. Post Tension Slab by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    They were tightening the cables that run through the structure - it's called post tension concrete - Concrete is strong in compression but weak in tension, so the idea is to preload the structure with large cables under tension - which squeezes the concrete.
    This is extremely common with slab on grade houses these days.

    If you consider a beam supported between two supports, there's a bending moment - the top is in compression, the bottom is in tension. If you externally apply a force to squeeze the ends together then you can make it so that the bottom is in compression and the top is in even more compression, both of which are easily handled by the concrete.

    In this bridge that is done by cranking cables through the bridge. In something like, say, the Roman Arch, it's done by having massive side supports. In Gothic cathedrals, it's flying buttresses.

    This isn't exactly new engineering - although the details change over time.

    1. Re:Cable tightening.. Post Tension Slab by hey! · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I assume that's what they were up to, but of course a bridge by its nature is more extreme in one direction. It may have had nothing to do with the collapse, it may have caused the collapse.

      People in these situations want fast answers, so they jump to conclusions based on reports of cracks, or cables being tightened. But good answers take time, and it's a fair bet by the time we get good answers the public's curiosity will have waned. Even if the things drawing our attention now are involved, they're embedded in a much more complex scenario than most people have the patience for.

      --
      Post may contain irony: discontinue use if experiencing mood swings, nausea or elevated blood pressure.
  10. AvE explanation by CptLoRes · · Score: 5, Informative

    The possible explanation to the failure (over tightening of one or more post tension rods) as detailed in this AvE video, seem to make sense. https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

  11. Collapsed FIU Bridge Was Funded by Federal Grant by McGruber · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Reason Foundation has published an article about the bridge was funded by a federal program that has come under repeated fire for awarding money based on politics rather than merit:

    Collapsed FIU Bridge Was Funded by Federal Grant Program Criticized for Shoddy, Politicized Review Process - The TIGER grant program has come under fire for putting politics ahead of technical concerns.

  12. A good technical look at the cause of failure by rush2049 · · Score: 4, Informative

    AvE over on youtube did a very good commentary on how and why the bridge collapsed. Video 1 (overview): https://www.youtube.com/watch?... Video 2 (technically in depth): https://www.youtube.com/watch?...