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Kaspersky Lab Plans Swiss Data Center To Combat Spying Allegations, Report Says (reuters.com)
An anonymous reader shares a report: Moscow-based Kaspersky Lab plans to open a data center in Switzerland to address Western government concerns that Russia exploits its anti-virus software to spy on customers, according to internal documents seen by Reuters. Kaspersky is setting up the center in response to actions in the United States, Britain and Lithuania last year to stop using the company's products, according to the documents, which were confirmed by a person with direct knowledge of the matter. The action is the latest effort by Kaspersky, a global leader in anti-virus software, to parry accusations by the U.S. government and others that the company spies on customers at the behest of Russian intelligence.
they would need to completely vacate Russia before I trusted them. Any country I buy security software from needs their head office & all their programmers in a country with strong privacy laws and an actual democracy. And yes, that probably excludes everyone outside the EU.
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Because the Swiss are so known for their transparency laws when it comes to records...
Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
Because the data center is in Switzerland you can't take the data. Because electrons are neutral there. Or something like that.
You can take your datacenter out of Russia, but taking Russia our of your datacenter is much harder.
And harder still is to flush the FSB-agents and collaborators out of your personnel.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
Commie scum.
Nothing says "We're Safe" like hiding in Switzerland.
Unfortunately, trust is fickle. Repeat an accusation enough the it never needs to be proven. In this manner an accusation can destroy a person, company, or country. Trust no matter how strong broken. The echo chambers of internet make this cruel human trait pronounced. Time is the only solution for Kaspersky. This short term solution was very poorly executed.
The Swiss have been pretty good at advertising themselves as a privacy heaven for decades. Except they aren't one at all, not even for money, since they signed the OECD agreements against tax evasion (i.e., your swiss bank account and the value of its balance are communicated to your government automatically every year). There aren't many "privacy rankings" for countries, the most respected is usually this one from Privacy International. It dates back to 2007, but privacy legislation hasn't changed much: http://chartsbin.com/view/by8
It looks like Greece is actually the best for privacy. Switzerland is only 17th. It is unbelievable how much PR can sometimes pay off undeservedly.
Like putting lipstick on a pig-bear.
The USA/UK governments are basically operating out of completely ideology driven mode these days; they don't need evidences or facts because they frankly don't care.. Actually this goes back to Iraq/WMD where we saw they are operating in bad faith. We can't assume they are ignorant; we have to assume they are malicious and have an intent to deceive.
Every country is working for its own self interest.
Yes America is spying. So are the other countries. However, every country when they find a spot where they can find is a spot for spying, they will try to lock it down.
Do you seriously going to think that America is going to have a policy. "Well because we are spying on you, you can spy on us too."
No America is going to find new ways to spy on other countries, while locking down ways we are spied upon. Other countries are doing the same too.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
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Anyone who believes that Kaspersky's moves can have any real life effect is a rube. This Potemkin data village will be setup so that russian spooks will be able to access anything they want, either overtly or covertly.
Democracy is a sheep and two wolves deciding what to have for lunch. Freedom is a well armed sheep contesting the issue
as leakproof as Swiss cheese. No, wait ...
I doubt this will change anything. This issue is not that I do or do not trust the Russians. The issue is that the NSA will not stop the FUD, until they have access.
They could set up store in the center of the Pentagon and rename themselves to "Homeland Originated Freedom Fighter Alliance". I would STILL not trust them more or less than I do now. And less when the NSA shuts up about them.
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
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Two evils don't make a right. Besides, the US government has only prohibited government agencies from using Kaspersky on their official government machines. Anybody is free to use Kaspersky at home or for their private company.
That's very reasonable. I would personally go much farther. I personally don't think that government agencies should use anything else than software from their own country or (even better) open source software. It's crazy that people in government institutions in my country are allowed to use Gmail for their official mail, thereby allowing the NSA to siphon off all the data that is potentially confidential (e.g. for in-house use only). Stricter rules would make sense - though not all countries can afford those without exception, as e.g. my country of work&residence does not have any company that produces antivirus software of acceptable quality.
America may be running the world's biggest spy ring while accusing others of meddling, but at least we are Making Our Orwellian State Great Again!
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I'll see your senator, and I'll raise you two judges.
What the heck, Ill feed the trolls today.
The issue at hand isn't who is right or wrong. It is just the fact that every country will defend it's own self interest. And a sovereign nation will not do an action that is against its own self interest.
To stop a country from doing an action, you will either.
A. Go to war and take over its sovereignty. (or at least have a threat against this)
B. Use Diplomacy to show such actions are actually against the net self interests of the country.
C. Adjust your relationship with the country in a way that their self interest is better aligned without doing such action.
So with the current topic. This Russian company Kaspersky offers a product which may be able to spy on the USA, and is based in a nation that has its self interests in spying on the USA. Because this action is in conflict of American self interests, the relationship with the company, has been changed as not to purchase from them. Figuring that will fix one hole they can get in, and perhaps changing the net self interests for them to improve trust.
Life isn't fair, and it normally isn't about who is right or wrong. Because anyone who has kids will know it is usually both sides fault, and each side had escalated to some point where one person finally crossed a line. However both kids get punished, because it just wasn't the person who finally threw the punch, but the process to get there.
The United States normally has more power so it will often bully its ways to keep its self interest. It isn't right, but it is consistent.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
The U.S. government won't stop attacking Kaspersky until they allow it a backdoor into your computer.
When you come from a dictatorship with no rule of law, like Kaspersky does.
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