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Online Piracy Is More Popular Than Ever, Research Suggests (torrentfreak.com)

An anonymous user writes: A broad and detailed report from piracy tracking outfit MUSO shows that visits to pirate sites went up last year. The company recorded more than 300 billion visits in 2017, which suggests that "piracy is more popular than ever." TV remained the most popular category and most pirates prefer streaming over torrents or direct downloading.

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  1. Sounds legit by Snotnose · · Score: 5, Funny

    So, an outfit that makes it's money fighting "piracy" releases a report that "piracy" is on the upswing. Who woulda thunk it?

  2. What happened to username in submissions? by cornholed · · Score: 1

    Haven't really posted at /. for awhile. What happened to including a submitter's username on their submission? I kinda enjoyed seeing the different usernames on the front page, now all I see are the username of editors and senior editors. When did this change? And why?

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    1. Re:What happened to username in submissions? by cornholed · · Score: 1

      And what happened to my post history? I was active on /. for years, now it's all gone. :/

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    2. Re:What happened to username in submissions? by cornholed · · Score: 1

      I left right around the time of the redesign Mr. 5,271,228.

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    3. Re:What happened to username in submissions? by fluffernutter · · Score: 2

      The green got slightly darker.

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    4. Re:What happened to username in submissions? by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      I left right around the time of the redesign Mr. 5,271,228.

      There have been so many to choose from Mr 1,312,635.

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    5. Re:What happened to username in submissions? by jamesjw · · Score: 1

      This is Mr. 213986, I haven't noticed anything untoward...

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  3. Piracy and purchasing coexist peacefully by TheMiddleRoad · · Score: 2

    I know lots of people who pirate. They also pay for lots of media. They go to concerts and fan events. The popular artists and companies tend to get money one way or another.

    1. Re:Piracy and purchasing coexist peacefully by ArhcAngel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ahh...I see the problem there. The ***aa's don't make any money off of concerts and fan events. Like musicians don't make any money off of album sales. So the money is going to the actual artists not the blood suckers who go after pirates.

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  4. Pulling content = Piracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The content on legal services is shrinking all the time, so we are forced to pirate to get what we paid for. Plus the BBC dosen't get to complain about piracy because we pay our licence fees.

  5. Well, duh by Voyager529 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The reason the streaming options are popular is because it's entirely possible for nontechnical people to call up their technical friend (and by "technical" I mean "can follow a Youtube tutorial"), hand them a Fire Stick, and add streaming plugins. These people aren't doing anything terribly different than what they do with Netflix or Hulu, just a different icon.

    Moreover, the experience involves "having all the things in one place". No going to Netflix for this show (except that one episode where there's a license discrepancy over a song's usage so it's unavailable), then Hulu for that one, Crackle for the next, then CBS All Access for yet another one, HBO Go for still another...it doesn't matter what show someone wants to see, all the episodes are available, on demand.

    Netflix mostly-had this situation under control, then everyone wanted their pound of flesh, which turned Netflix into half original content, and half "the refrigerator the night before grocery shopping". Even if the content producers wanted to charge a premium for their section of content, but still allow Netflix to handle the streaming, I think that model would make everyone happy..but alas, it does not.

    Finally, I've always kinda wondered what's in it for the sites who serve the streaming files. At least torrent sites can say "community" and "advertising/donation revenue", but the sites that serve the streams can claim none of the above, have to pay the bandwidth and server bills, and have a bullseye painted on them from the *AA...so, all of the liability, none of the perks. I don't get it :/.

    P.S. in case anyone was wondering, I don't own one of these devices, nor have I ever modded such a device for anyone.

    1. Re:Well, duh by AlanBDee · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Moreover, the experience involves "having all the things in one place". No going to Netflix for this show (except that one episode where there's a license discrepancy over a song's usage so it's unavailable), then Hulu for that one, Crackle for the next, then CBS All Access for yet another one, HBO Go for still another...it doesn't matter what show someone wants to see, all the episodes are available, on demand.

      I've found this website very useful as a single place to go to see what the different services have: https://www.justwatch.com/us

      Finally, I've always kinda wondered what's in it for the sites who serve the streaming files. At least torrent sites can say "community" and "advertising/donation revenue", but the sites that serve the streams can claim none of the above, have to pay the bandwidth and server bills, and have a bullseye painted on them from the *AA...so, all of the liability, none of the perks. I don't get it :/.

      Where's the money to pay for all the infrastructure required to stream? My guess is that it comes from ad revenue that's provided from state sponsored ads that contain zero-day exploits that most reputable ad services wouldn't show. It makes sense to me that these state sponsors or criminal organizations would be willing to pay higher premiums to serve these ads.

    2. Re:Well, duh by CrashNBrn · · Score: 2

      Roku search works for us, it at least easily lets you find where something is. Of course most of the streaming options outside of the three Majors (Netflix, Hulu, Amazon) are unbearably laden with forced ads.

  6. \t's only logical by bobstreo · · Score: 2

    Content producers make it so hard (and expensive) for consumers to purchase their wares,

    The existence of multiple separate disjointed competing services makes it harder and more expensive to watch things that are freely broadcast in most places.

    If you have paid for content, there is no long term plan allowing access when that content provider inevitably fails.

    They're still trying to get rid of actual physical media so everything is "in the cloud" When is the last time you "bought a CD/DVD/Blu-Ray?

    Netflix has probably done more good than harm in reducing "unauthorized viewing" than any anti-piracy group.. But even their content disappears over time.

    1. Re:\t's only logical by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Netflix has probably done more good than harm in reducing "unauthorized viewing" than any anti-piracy group.. But even their content disappears over time.

      More so than ever. Netflix has less than half the number of shows and movies of what it did a few years ago.
      If you can't find it on Netflix, can't find it on Hulu, can't find it on Amazon Prime, and it's not in the stores, the way to piracy is not long.

      Especially BBC content is very tempting to pirate for us in the US, because BBC America either doesn't provide the content at all, or it's seriously abridged and censored, and BBC UK refuses to sell to US customers and directs them to BBC America.
      In those cases, it's not hard to see someone buying or renting the bowdlerized version, and then downloading the real version from a pirate site. Legally, they may be in the wrong, but morally?

    2. Re:\t's only logical by Rakarra · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Now, every single for-pay streaming site generates their own content, and that's a conflict of interest for the consumer side, as those streaming sites will not lease out (certainly not for a reasonable amount) their original content to other streaming sites. So if I want to watch Game of Thrones, I need to subscribe to HBO. If I want to watch Black Mirror, I need to subscribe to Netflix. If I want to watch The Tick, I need to subscribe to Amazon Prime. If I want to watch Castle Rock, I get to subscribe to Hulu. And in a couple years, if I want to watch ANYTHING from Disney/Pixar/Marvel/Lucasfilm/Fox(probably), I'll have to subscribe to Disney's streaming service.

      Exclusive contracts and exclusive content drive piracy. Period.

    3. Re:\t's only logical by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 1

      > If you can't find it on Netflix, can't find it on Hulu,
      > can't find it on Amazon Prime, and it's not in the
      > stores, the way to piracy is not long.

      For that matter, who wants to hunt through Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, HBO Go/Now, CBS AllAccess, that new Disney service, Vudu, Crunchyroll, Dramafever, and so on and so on and so on; every time they want to watch something? For a lot of people, they're either a Netflix person or a Hulu person, and if it's not on their first choice of service, the next stop is not the expedition above. Their next stop is The Pirate Bay.

      Hell, I subscribe to Prime as well as Netflix myself; and I grabbed the first season of The Grand Tour from TPB because Amazon still has that stick up their bum about working with Apple, and there was no AppleTV app for Prime at the time. So, the choice was:

      1) Find and clear a place for my laptop next to the TV, find a DisplayPort to HDMI cable, move an AC adaptor over to the TV, hook everything up, make sure the laptop is set not to sleep, mirror the screen, and play it through the browser, and get up and walk to the TV any time I needed to pause or move to the next episode.
      or:
      2) Download the video file, drop it on my shared SMB drive, play it with the VLC app on the AppleTV.

      2 was a whole lot faster, easier, and hassle-free.

      > Especially BBC content is very tempting to pirate for
      > us in the US, because BBC America either doesn't
      > provide the content at all, or it's seriously abridged
      > and censored, and BBC UK refuses to sell to US
      > customers and directs them to BBC America.

      Yup. That's another one that burns my blood. I'd happily pay their license fee if they'd give me full and unfettered access to their streams, iPlayer, and such without having to resort to VPN shenanigans. But they won't take my money. Can't have these filthy colonial eyes sullying their precious content, can they?

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    4. Re:\t's only logical by CrashNBrn · · Score: 1

      Hate for Mr. Bean. How disappointing.

  7. Re:Oh RLY? by DarkRookie · · Score: 2

    What piracy? We have Netflix and a dozen other services without ads served for less than 10 bucks a month? I don't get it.

    The problem is the dozens part. With each of them $5-10 a month.
    Not one has almost all the content.
    I might do a streaming service, if I can get 90% of the content and not 10.

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  8. Re:Oh RLY? by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

    Sure Netflix only costs $10 a month, but it is mostly bargain bin stuff. The kind of stuff you would find in a $3 DVD sale.

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  9. Re:Sharing, its Sharing, not piracy by DarkRookie · · Score: 2

    The media industry supports criminals, rapists, and other scrum, but sharing is bad?

    These people make them money and that is all they care about.
    I am pretty sure most of them would say Hitler is a good guy if they were making money with him.

    Also fuck Amazon, Facebook, and most (if not all) of the top 50 tech companies. Agree with you there.

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  10. Download & DVR by FunOne · · Score: 1

    If I download a TV show and pay for cable or satellite AND a DVR, then what exactly am I doing wrong?

    What am I "pirating" except to use more of the bandwidth I paid for so I don't have to manually skip commercials? Or to get a version of a TV show that ISNT cut off at the beginning or end by 5 minutes due to schedule skew? Or a version of a TV show without a quarter-screen radar image because somewhere near me is rain?

    Where is the moral wrong?

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  11. Re:Oh RLY? by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

    Depends on where you live. If it's outside of the US or the UK, the selection on Netflix is decidedly poorer than what you're accustomed to. Some series never make their way here or they do so months later. Buying e-books, I still regularly get the message "this content is not available in your country" even though they are happy to send me a physical copy. Blurays are often significantly more expensive here. It's this sort of crap that drives me to pirate stuff. Except music. Because I can already get pretty much any music I want at a decent price, and DRM-free.

    On the bright side, the EU has announced regulations that will let you take your subscription for any online service from one EU country to another, and they have explicitly stated that this is a precursor to (mandatory) EU-wide licensing. Basically it's the end of geofencing within the EU.

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  12. Wow by xlsior · · Score: 2, Funny

    At the same time there are more people that ever on the internet as well - I mean, what are the odds?

  13. Not going to justify. But look logistically. by Chas · · Score: 1

    You have Cable TV struggling to bring the average cable bill to $200/month.

    But you have cord cutters and people downsizing their TV package as they realize they don't need 200 channels plus 17 variants of ESPN, plus their high-def digital versions.

    So networks are all rolling out their own streaming services.
    "ONLY" $10-20/month. With one or two shows apiece per network that are actually worthwhile.

    So, if you're an avid TV watcher, your bill for Internet + streaming just so HAPPENS to be around $200/month.

    Is it REALLY that surprising that people are turning to piracy to cut down a luxury bill whose price is being artificially inflated?

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  14. Let us BUY the damn shows / movies by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 2

    Gee, when people can't buy their favorite 60's, 70's, 80's, and 90's TV shows ... what do you think is going to happen? A certain percentage of people will always resort to piracy.

    Piracy just shows that there is a _demand._ Let me buy the entire series, say Mash, for $20 instead of price-gouging me $120 / season like ST:TNG used to do.

    What I don't understand is how the "long tail" is completely ignored in film / television but the games industry has embraced with sites such as Good Old Games (gog.com) and Steam.

  15. Re:Oh RLY? by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 4, Informative

    > We have Netflix and a dozen other services without ads served for less than 10 bucks a month? I don't get it

    Streaming (quality) doesn't compare to BluRay (quality).

    > And for software, we have TONS of open source equivalents.

    I always look for and use an OSS version first and then fall back to a commercial version only if the OSS versions doesn't do what I need but let's be realistic. There just aren't valid OSS replacements for everything (yet.)

    * Gimp is still crap compared to Photoshop. And yes, I use both -- both professionally and personally.

    * I don't see any alternative to Keyscape's 77 GB VST piano library that sells for $399.

    That said, overall, yes Open Source Software is getting there. I certainly find Inkscape a helluva lot easier to use Adobe Illustrator.

    And thankfully there are lists that make it much easier to find an OSS replacement.

    http://www.damicon.com/resourc...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

  16. Re:Oh RLY? by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

    > Not one has almost all the content.

    ^^^ THIS.

  17. Much is not worth paying for, assuming.. by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

    ..assuming this article isn't clickbait of some sort, or like someone else commented, it's bought-and-paid-for by a so-called 'anti pirating company'.
    Around 10 years ago I dumped cable and started using an antenna, contenting myself with what I could get for free, because the economy sucked, wasn't making much, and it finally got to the point where I decided paying for hundreds of shitty channels, compressed within a millimeter of their lives, when I only actually watched a small fraction of them, made no sense anymore. Never looked back once. Then there's the people who tell me I should pay for streaming. Well guess what, now we're back to paying for TV again. No thanks, I haven't heard of anything worth paying another monthy fee for. Have I downloaded some stuff in the past? Sure I have. I've also paid a rental fee for some things I did want to see. But too much isn't worth paying for, and I'm sure I'm far from alone in that sentiment. If I didn't have a DVR, and had to adhere to someone else's broadcast schedule, I'd probably not even own a TV anymore. Again, someone will come along and say, "Well, why don't you get a Hulu/Netflix/Amazon/whatever subscription, it's only $xx per month." Now we're back to paying, and whatever it is, isn't worth it to me.. and again, I'm sure I'm far from alone in feeling that way about it. So if 'piracy' is actually up, and it's not just hype and FUD from some company that can benefit from FUD, then I'd believe it.

  18. Re:Oh RLY? by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

    > We have Netflix and a dozen other services without ads served for less than 10 bucks a month? I don't get it.

    1. Can I watch the latest STD (Star Trek Disaster) on Netflix? No, because I have to sign up for some bullshit CBS All Access. BUT if I'm _outside_ the US then I _can_ watch it.

    Stop with the fucking geo-blocking already due to shitty licencing greed.

    2. On Netflix can I watch: Seinfeld ? South Park? The Sopranos? Game of Thrones?

    No, again, due to shitty licencing greed.

    Customers DON'T want a million different sources. They want a reasonable monthly bill $20 - $75, not $200.

    3. When I search for a movie on Netflix and it isn't available I get some crappy message:

    Explore titles related to: _x_

    WTF?

    * Where is the OPTION to provide FEEDBACK? i.e. NOTIFY me WHEN this becomes available.
    * Where is the option to see how many other people are interested?
    * Where is the option that I WANT to buy this on BluRay? iTunes? Amazon?

    Everyone is busy trying to build their own little kingdom that the entire customer experience is crap.

  19. Piracy? by hackel · · Score: 2

    So now they're trying to label streaming as "piracy?" You've got to be kidding me! These people will stop at nothing to maintain their 1950s business model and tarnish public perception with misinformation.

  20. Re:Oh RLY? by jwhyche · · Score: 2

    An the fact that on any service there is no guarantee that the content will be there tomorrow. There are a number of series that I have streamed off Netflix in the past only to find them gone when I wanted to go back and watch them later.

    There there are things like Disney pulling all its contents off Netflix to try to milk another subscription off of us. There are a lot of, pirates, that I know that collect tv shows for just this reason. They want to have that beloved sitcom or movie they grew up watching and not have to chase it down on some obscure subscription service.

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  21. Re:Oh RLY? by jwhyche · · Score: 2

    Some of it is. But some since netflix started producing its on content this is becoming less of a issue. For the first time in years I actually sat down and watched each episode of a show. Normally, I will start to watch something, pause it, and come back to it later. Some times days later.

    Oh, that show was Altered Carbon. If you like Blade Runner, I highly recommend this series. An the book is pretty fucking good too.

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  22. Keeping safe from piracy by Ace17 · · Score: 1

    People, keep safe from piracy : don't travel by boat.

  23. I am not surprised... by wertigon · · Score: 1

    If you wish to stream movies, you have to get an account at Netflix for $10/month (or whatever). Then, a new interesting show comes out on HBO, that's also $10/month. Then Amazon Prime has even more interesting content at $10/month. And then you want ESPN because gotta have that football coverage... For $10 a month. Et cetera.

    So if I were to get all of this legally I would need to easily burn $50-$70 a month, which amounts to $300-$400 a year. I would be willing to pay say $2 per episode of a certain series and only that series however, or $10 for say a two-time viewing of an entire season. Also, I do not watch Netflix consistently - sometimes I am on Amazon and sometimes I am on HBO, if I spend an entire month without looking at any series I'm burning money for no reason. Et cetera.

    The problem here is that the infrastructure is crazy conservative, and instead of fixing the infrastructure the companies are content to let piracy rule.

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  24. Obviously by skovnymfe · · Score: 1

    Since they started moving everything off of netflix again and requiring who-knows how many active subscriptions at $10-15 a piece, each to its own uniquely flavored netflix clone, then how is this any fucking surprise to anyone?

  25. Is Kodi Considered Piracy? by rinoswamp · · Score: 1

    Is Kodi considered piracy? I was thinking about getting Amazon Fire Stick and getting Kodi, but didn't want to get in trouble for watching pirated content. Or is this a whole different ballgame.. Just curious for any input.