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Trump Announces $60 Billion Tariff on Chinese High-Tech and Other Goods (techcrunch.com)

Following months of investigations by the U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer, the Trump administration announced on Thursday at a White House briefing that the administration intends to place about $60 billion of tariffs on Chinese goods, with the bulk of them likely to be focused on the high-tech industry. The White House will announce a final list of goods subject to the tariffs in the next few weeks. From a report: "We've lost over a fairly short period of time, 60,000 factories in our country. Closed, shuttered, gone. Six million jobs at least, gone. And now they are starting to come back," President Trump said during the briefing. "The word that I want to use is reciprocal -- when they charge 25 percent for a car to go in, and we charge 2 percent for their car to come into the United States, that's not good. That's how China rebuilt itself."

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  1. Yeah by Ryanrule · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Can’t be sad about this one.

    1. Re:Yeah by iggymanz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      a traitor to the american way of funding the massive expansion of communist countries?

    2. Re:Yeah by sexconker · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They seem to be working for the countries that impose them on us.

    3. Re:Yeah by nonBORG · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Agreed! We are in a trade war, however everyone wants the US to lay down and accept their raping of us. Trump realised the Trade war has started and is not going to lose without a fight (in fact obviously the US can and will win, if we fight.)

      Obama was fighting for the other side, meaning he is a globalist and not a nationalist. Trump understands that it is no use being a globalist as you will just be abused by nationalists, until you are 3rd world country with no influence.

      People even on here seemed to have embraced the hate Trump crap so much that they cannot see straight. Comments about Trump dying in jail or being executed with his family, and then they call Trump a fascist. There was a song by Michael Jackson "I'm starting with the man in the mirror." might be good for some of the teenagers posting this stuff to listen to and contemplate.

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    4. Re:Yeah by gravewax · · Score: 1, Insightful

      we'll see how you are not sad when everything you buy skyrockets in price. In the end tariffs hit your wallet.

    5. Re:Yeah by fermion · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Gosh, I hope that apple and all computer companies are happy about the fondling they have given Trump over the tax cuts. I know that I want to spend my $10 back from the tax cut on the extra $50 a computer is going to cost. No sadness here. We will just pay more for crap built in the US, just like we did with the cars in the 70's.

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    6. Re:Yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      no, but he is a moron for trying to bring back the unskilled factory jobs that are just going to be automated anyway.

      those people would be better served with training for a different job. as well as promoting technology such as solar and renewables which can provide those jobs. not propping up the factories and coal mines which really don't have much of a future.

    7. Re:Yeah by LostInTaiwan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Any idiot can start a war, but to win a war we need leaders with vision and teamwork. Do you see any of those traits in the current Trump administration?

      As much as I love to see a vibrant domestic manufacturing sector, I don't think most American cares. We decimated our own manufacturing sector with our financial sector and tax codes favoring speculative investments in real estate and the stock market. Did the recent BIG Trump tax reform changed any of that?

      I view China as an adversary to the democratic societies, and I am itching for the US to take action against the rising authoritarian capitalistic China. Yet, I am not stupid. Any war with Trump in charge will be a disaster for us. Trump's courage is defined by his Vietnam War deferments while his business acumen is defined by his four bankruptcies. Unless war is like reality television, I fear for the worst under Trump.

    8. Re:Yeah by quantaman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Agreed! We are in a trade war, however everyone wants the US to lay down and accept their raping of us. Trump realised the Trade war has started and is not going to lose without a fight (in fact obviously the US can and will win, if we fight.)

      Obama was fighting for the other side, meaning he is a globalist and not a nationalist. Trump understands that it is no use being a globalist as you will just be abused by nationalists, until you are 3rd world country with no influence.

      People even on here seemed to have embraced the hate Trump crap so much that they cannot see straight. Comments about Trump dying in jail or being executed with his family, and then they call Trump a fascist. There was a song by Michael Jackson "I'm starting with the man in the mirror." might be good for some of the teenagers posting this stuff to listen to and contemplate.

      You really think Trump has the expertise to win a trade war? Trade deals are decided on the fine print and you've got a guy who can't even read the all-caps. He still thinks the US has a trade deficit with Canada!

      He's just obsessed with trade deficits because it's an easy to understand number, but trade deficits aren't necessarily a bad thing, it just means you're selling them more than you're selling them. But if you can actually use the things you're buying then it's actually a good thing.

      Of course if you don't believe me try reading his idiot of an advisor without laughing.

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    9. Re:Yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The question is whether tariffs are a useful solution to the negative aspects of globalization.

      It's a simple, 19th-century solution to a 21st-century problem. Count me as very skeptical, especially when it will be ordinary consumers and businesses paying the tariff, not China.

      Is a dumb, blunt solution to trade problems better than no solution? It's pretty debatable.

    10. Re:Yeah by denzacar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      He still thinks the US has a trade deficit with Canada!

      It's worse than that.

      He BRAGS about knowing jack shit - and then making shit up when faced with facts.

      He's literally offering lies and delusional fantasies as reasons and motivation for things he does.

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  2. So this comes with a min wage increase right? by H3lldr0p · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Because otherwise how are we going to be able to afford all these now more expensive trinkets and toys?

    Oh. Wait. We're not supposed to. It's supposed to further expand the wealth gap and pretty much finish off the US middle class.

    1. Re:So this comes with a min wage increase right? by fluffernutter · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You're saying the middle class won't survive without cheap tablets containing backdoors and trojans?

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    2. Re:So this comes with a min wage increase right? by gravewax · · Score: 4, Insightful

      China also make most of the top end range as well as the cheap shit.

    3. Re:So this comes with a min wage increase right? by Holi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You mean like this cheap tablet?

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  4. Re:Good by jcr · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Trade barriers are a bonehead move. Always were, always will be.

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  5. bad bad bad by supernova87a · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is not good for anyone, as the slew of economists and economic reporters have been putting out there for the last few weeks.

    But more than that it's every day Americans who are going to be paying for it. 20-30% more on every electronic device, gadget, previously untariffed good that was imported, all to do what? Temporarily prop up industries / companies here in the US that won't significantly change their employment levels, capital investment in manufacturing, or supply chains in time until these tariffs are lifted?

    1. Re:bad bad bad by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Which sounds reasonable until you realize that productivity and living standards have been decoupled since the 70s yet they continue to preach this.

      Productivity and wages have become decoupled.

      Living standards are not entirely built on wages. If you're spending 18 hours/day farming enough food to keep yourself alive, high wages are not going to increase your standard of living. So you need a productivity boost to get that 18 hours down and have high enough wages to use your newfound free time.

      First off most people in the 1970's weren't on farms. Second, free trade is a huge part of why although the pie has grown by leaps and bounds actual wages have not grown nearly so much and for many not at all. Want a better US? Greatly limit free trade and greatly limit immigration. We've tried the free trade route for decades and only seen living conditions deteriorate. Time for a new approach.

    2. Re:bad bad bad by Stan92057 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If its so bad bad bad they why is it working so great for China and Japan? works so great US corporation move their manufacturing to China and Japan and other communist country that don't have laws to protect workers or the environment... only winner in the US? the scum CEOs and board members and the rich.

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    3. Re:bad bad bad by jeff4747 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      First off most people in the 1970's weren't on farms

      Do you need me to explain the concept of "an example" to you?

      Second, free trade is a huge part of why although the pie has grown by leaps and bounds actual wages have not grown nearly so much and for many not at all.

      The giant hole in this theory is that the huge increase in trade of manufactured goods occurred after wages and productivity became decoupled in the 1970s.

      The reason they got decoupled is we decimated unions and started passing a lot of labor-unfriendly laws and US manufacturers started moving out of union-friendly states and into union-unfriendly states. So workers were not able to claw back the money from productivity gains.

      Greatly limit free trade and greatly limit immigration

      Boy, that's worked great for Venezuela and Japan.

      Tip: If you don't allow imports, they won't buy your exports. Which means less jobs and lower pay.

      "Free trade" agreements have not been about trade for the last 30-or-so years. They've been about things like intellectual property rights and investments. We already had a world with low tariffs, so "free trade" agreements couldn't make trade free-er. Instead, they allowed capital to move.

      Time for a new approach.

      A new approach...by returning to 1910.

  6. Re:Good by jimtheowl · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "..the blind, hateful liberals.."

    There is no need for this trash talk unless your are a hateful person yourself.

  7. Re:Good by sinij · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Against good-faith trading partner, it is boneheaded move. Against China, that is anything but open market themselves it is not.

  8. Re:Good by sexconker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    China imposes them on us. And the memo states that tariffs are to be put in place only when things are unfair. If China doesn't want these tariffs, they can drop their own.

    The plan is to match tariffs, all the way down to 0. If you don't want these tariffs, you can ask China to drop their own, which would make us drop ours.

    Fair is fair, is it not?

    (Actually, it's not, because their workers are treated like slaves and they shit all over the environment. We should be imposing higher tariffs on them than they are on us while those things are true.)

  9. Re:I would love to believe him, by MattKeith · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Above all, he wants to at least appear to be successful. This is just part of the charade. I don't know if it'll end well or badly so i'm not holding an opinion on this specific issue.

  10. It will be interesting times... by CraigCruden · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The economies are so interlinked that any real trade war could create unstable and unpredictable times.

    The US owes so much debt now, that if China starts dumping accumulated debt they could force a spike in interest rates that basically throw the US into a hard recession.
    It could lead to a currency war as China could hit back with devaluation equivalent to the tariffs.
    The Chinese banks are not very transparent - and if the current swoon turns into a worldwide stock market crash - could be the start of another Asian crisis (we just cannot know) if it is prolonged.
    Companies cannot just turn on a dime and change manufacturing (i.e. move it to other locations), so it could spike inflation and it could also disrupt major American companies supply.
    Or it could just be taken in stride. The problem is that the markets were already overly exuberant, and there are many bubbles that could be popped ... that anything could happen... the problem is it may not be able to be predictable.
    Anyone that claims to know what will happen ... is more than likely just pretending to know and guessing.

  11. Too little too late by rsilvergun · · Score: 5, Insightful

    the jobs aren't coming back. Not very many anyway. Any factories built here will be run by robots. On the other hand we might end up bringing back the pollution.

    The trouble with tariffs is they don't work as half measures. If you want to do isolationism like Brazil does that's fine. But get ready for $1500 Playstations and $3000 video cards. That's why you can still buy a Sega Megadrive in Brazil without irony.

    Oh, one more thing. Any chance these tariffs will be passed on to me in the form of services like roads, schools or healthcare? Given the $1.5 trillion dollar tax cut we just did (83% of which went to the 1%) I'm guessing no. It's just like the lottery. They claim the money will go to services but then they shuffle it around and turn it into tax cuts for the rich.

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  12. Re:Good for the average Slashdotter by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    More expensive Chinese goods means that the repair-replace balance will be thrown to the left, and money can be made repairing existing hardware vs tossing it out and buying another special at Walmart.

    Where do you think the parts are made that you will use to repair that formerly-cheap, now-expensive tech bauble?

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  13. Re:I think this is more a question for us by orlanz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I prefer to buy what works for me. That maybe "local" or a "cheap" gizmo. I prefer not to mix emotions, patriotic or otherwise, with how I spend my finances. I prefer Japanese cars, European chocolate, Brazilian nuts, Central & South American bananas, Chinese iPhones & HP laptops, Indian leather, Mexican watermelons, and Canadian maple syrup to name a few.

    On the flip side, I do focus on local when it comes to charity. Since that is an emotional expenditure.

  14. Re:Good by hjf · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Except you're also cunts that like to play "technicality" bullshit. You don't have "tariffs" for many products... but you have "select partners", "regulations", and "subsidies" for a lot of areas. You can take the tariffs down to zero, but no one can compete with your corn price because you want to keep your farmers happy, and only a select club can sell you beef and lemons, because of "regulations" on the quality of the product.
    You're not a free market. Don't go about bullying everyone into thinking you are. We're not stupid.

  15. Re:Good by gtall · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The Alt-Right Universe. It's a bit of an odd place...down is up, left is right, anyone with a degree is over-educated.