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South Korea To Shut Off Computers Past 19:00 Hours To Stop People Working Late (bbc.com)

dryriver shares a report from the BBC: The government in South Korea's capital is introducing a new initiative to force its employees to leave work on time -- by powering down all their computers at 20:00 on Fridays. It says it is trying to stop a "culture of working overtime." South Korea has some of the longest working hours in the world. Government employees there work an average of 2,739 hours a year -- about 1,000 hours more than workers in other developed countries. The shutdown initiative in the Seoul Metropolitan Government is set to roll out across three phases over the next three months. The program will begin on March 30, with all computers switched off by 20:00. The second phase starts in April, with employees having their computers turned off by 19:30 on the second and fourth Friday that month. From May on, the program will be in full-swing, with computers shut off by 19:00 every Friday. According to a SMG statement, all employees will be subjected to the shutdown, though exemptions may be provided in special circumstances. However, not every government worker seems to be on-board -- according to the SMG, 67.1% of government workers have asked to be exempt from the forced lights-out. Earlier this month, South Korea's national assembly passed a law to cut down the maximum weekly working hours to 52, down from 68.'

106 comments

  1. wtf, /. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So... is it past 20:00 on Fridays, or past 19:00 every day?

    1. Re:wtf, /. by m0hawk · · Score: 2

      Seems to be only Fridays to stop people working on weekends, winding down from 20:00 to 19:00 over a few months. The TFA doesn't contain much more than TFS. I thought a 50 hour week was bad (for Aussie standards), I guess I'm not too bad off!

      If a government steps in to say your working too hard there is likely to be an ulterior motive. What could it be?

    2. Re:wtf, /. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If a government steps in to say your working too hard there is likely to be an ulterior motive. What could it be?

      Clearly you're not working hard enough.

    3. Re:wtf, /. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      If a government steps in to say your working too hard there is likely to be an ulterior motive. What could it be?

      Government wants to lighten the workload to increase labor requirements so more africans can be imported to do "the jobs koreans won't do."

    4. Re:wtf, /. by q_e_t · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If a government steps in to say your working too hard there is likely to be an ulterior motive. What could it be?

      Reducing burn out and ill-health among its workers, reducing errors and replacement issues are likely reasons,

    5. Re:wtf, /. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      People dying or getting seriously ill tend to place a burden on the state.

      Of course it's unlikely that some politician actually cares about the health of the people they represent, and is trying to protect them from employers creating a culture of massive overtime.

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    6. Re:wtf, /. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Makes my 12hr week sound really great now.

    7. Re:wtf, /. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      South Korea's birth rate is 1.24. That's lower than Japan. Lower than North Korea.

      Maybe they hope that their citizens can find time to reproduce before the entire populace grows old and dies of stress heart attacks or overwork. If that's the case, this won't be near enough.

    8. Re:wtf, /. by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      New rule: No working past 7PM on Fridays!

      I'm already done and it's only 1:30.

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  2. 52 hours a week? by 110010001000 · · Score: 4, Funny

    What slackers. In Seattle we work 110 hours a week.

    1. Re:52 hours a week? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pffft, I've worked over 200 hours in one week even though there's only 168 hours in a week.

    2. Re:52 hours a week? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You Americans never really did get over that whole slavery "thing", did you ?

      Now you pay the slaves *just enough* to keep them alive and coming back in, day after day.............

      Well played sir, well played.

    3. Re:52 hours a week? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would love a 52 hour work week. I would have so much more free time.

    4. Re:52 hours a week? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Pffft, I've worked over 200 hours in one week even though there's only 168 hours in a week.

      You worked for AOL too?

    5. Re:52 hours a week? by KixWooder · · Score: 1

      I work 70 hours a week, but every other week.

      ...and I get paid for 80!

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    6. Re:52 hours a week? by RightwingNutjob · · Score: 1

      15 miles, in the snow, uphill both ways!

    7. Re:52 hours a week? by RightwingNutjob · · Score: 1

      Do you receive compensation for your work? zOMG!!1!slavery!

    8. Re:52 hours a week? by C0R1D4N · · Score: 1

      Yeah well I walked 500 miles, and then 500 miles more!

    9. Re:52 hours a week? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, we only do Seattle Hundreds. But seriously, too many people here do the 16 hours a day Mon-Thu and 12 hours a day Fri-Sun thing. It really wears you down.

    10. Re:52 hours a week? by labnet · · Score: 1

      You could at least put in a link so the youngins know what you are on about.

      https://youtu.be/tM0sTNtWDiI

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    11. Re:52 hours a week? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Working 80 hrs/week and getting paid a pittance for 40 of them seems to fit the slavery bill pretty well.

      What is it now ?...the median income of US workers is like $10/hr or something awful ?

      A nation of serfs.

    12. Re:52 hours a week? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's about $17/hr.

      Wow, those Americans must live like kings on those princely sums !

      Imagine, a whole $17 / hr !!!! ...............Fucking peasants.

    13. Re:52 hours a week? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      That explains why you fell down at my door.

    14. Re:52 hours a week? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you serious ???
      Really ?
      Wait...what ?.....

      You are kidding, right ?

      Americans actually work those sorts of hours ??....why ?

      I genuinely want to know. Why ?

    15. Re:52 hours a week? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What slackers. In Seattle we work 110 hours a week.

      If you are paid less than 110/40 * $100k = $275k/yr, you are a sucker if you aren't getting OT and have skills. Or are you an Uber driver? But then you are still a sucker.

    16. Re:52 hours a week? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's about $17/hr.

      Wow, those Americans must live like kings on those princely sums !

      Imagine, a whole $17 / hr !!!! ...............Fucking peasants.

      US Gov figures show the median is $31k/yr which is ~$15.50/hr.

    17. Re:52 hours a week? by greenwow · · Score: 2

      Interviewed at three places in South Lake Union, home of Amazon and just north of downtown Seattle, recently and two of the places had air mattresses. The other mentioned the building had showers so you didn't have to go home. About ten years ago buildings started adding showers for people that bike to work. Now, things have changed. I noped out of all three of those interviews.

    18. Re:52 hours a week? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You mean that you're in the office 110 hours a week.

      You're productively working for about 35 of those. The remaining 75 hours you're either fixing the mistakes you made by being too tired to work productively, slacking off on FaceTwit or making Monty Python references with your co-workers (or, possibly, ork references with your fellow cow-orkers).

      Or - posting on Slashdot.

    19. Re:52 hours a week? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      What slackers. In Seattle we work 110 hours a week.

      Well, that’s because you only have a dialup Internet connection - it takes you much longer to do the same amount of work as a Silicon Valley employee earning $50,000 a year.

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    20. Re:52 hours a week? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, and that's stupid. Nobody should be forced to work more than 30 hours a week, 5 six hour days max, with full benefits. If we demand it, we shall have it, but we have to unite. Let's not let the workaholics and slave-drivers set the rules.

    21. Re:52 hours a week? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Enjoy your "tax cut", non corporate entity republican faggot, lol. Until it goes away, heheh stupid cunt.

    22. Re:52 hours a week? by q_e_t · · Score: 1

      It baffles me too.

    23. Re:52 hours a week? by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 5, Funny

      What slackers. In Seattle we work 110 hours a week.

      MP: You were lucky. We lived for three months in a brown paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six o'clock in the morning, clean the bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down mill for fourteen hours a day week in-week out. When we got home, our Dad would thrash us to sleep with his belt!

      GC: Luxury. We used to have to get out of the lake at three o'clock in the morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of hot gravel, go to work at the mill every day for tuppence a month, come home, and Dad would beat us around the head and neck with a broken bottle, if we were LUCKY!

      TJ: Well we had it tough. We used to have to get up out of the shoebox at twelve o'clock at night, and LICK the road clean with our tongues. We had half a handful of freezing cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at the mill for fourpence every six years, and when we got home, our Dad would slice us in two with a bread knife.

      EI: Right. I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night, half an hour before I went to bed, (pause for laughter), drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad and our mother would kill us, and dance about on our graves singing 'Hallelujah.'

      MP: But you try and tell the young people today that... and they won't believe ya'.

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    24. Re:52 hours a week? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone has to support the welfare recipients.

    25. Re:52 hours a week? by skovnymfe · · Score: 1

      It works better if you don't do the entire sketch on your own. I know this forces you to depend on others knowing what's best for them, but if you never give them the chance they'll never learn.

    26. Re:52 hours a week? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To feel important.

    27. Re:52 hours a week? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, they don't actually do that. But it makes them feel important claiming that they do. Basically, they check email at 7am and 11pm, and thus feel that there was a 16 hour period of "work". The number of productive hours in between varies wildly but I can pretty much guarantee that they don't add up to 16.........

    28. Re:52 hours a week? by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      You deserve to die.

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    29. Re:52 hours a week? by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      Hold on. Slaves had paid rent, food, and medical care. Wal-Mart slaves are not even close. Rent? Nope. Food? Nope. Medical care? LOL! Perhaps they are saving it all for retirement? Nope. Millions of people work all week and can barely get by. Just a fact.

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    30. Re:52 hours a week? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are 192 hours in the week if you hop on an airplane on Saturday and start heading east.

    31. Re:52 hours a week? by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      I thought it was 50k?

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  3. Bad Data by pubwvj · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Some of us work better on other schedules. Mandating things like this is a bad idea based on bad data from baaad sheep.

    1. Re:Bad Data by Stickasylum · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Alternative schedules is one thing, but unhealthy focus on work is another. Everyone I know who consistently works more than 40 hour weeks without alternate time compensation (10 on 5 off, long breaks, etc.) seriously compromises the quality and productivity of their work. And most don't realize it. There's only marginal gains traded for some serious psychological harms.

    2. Re:Bad Data by havana9 · · Score: 1

      A friend of mine is a sysadmin in a tyre factory. He lives alone, has a mortgage to pay, and prefer to work from midnight to 8 AM. HR was wery happy to put him in a fixed night schedule, except the 33% pay rise. But he works 8 hours a day then sleeps in the morning....

    3. Re:Bad Data by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Some of us work better on other schedules.

      8pm on a Friday night for a normal government office worker is not an "other schedule".
      It's "avoiding your wife".

    4. Re:Bad Data by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      This happens a lot. I knew a sysadmin who had a deal with his wife: the first one home makes dinner. He never made it home in time. The last thing we needed was for him to come to work...much less hang out all fucking evening.

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  4. Is Korea like Japan? by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

    In Japan most of the people who stay late do not actually work more, they stay late to look "good", to show they dedicate their lives to the company. Is it the same in (South) Korea?

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    1. Re:Is Korea like Japan? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Something like that. They often stay as long as the boss stays. So if the boss just wants to stay longer to avoid rush hour everyone else stays. Even if they just play with their phones.

    2. Re:Is Korea like Japan? by Lije+Baley · · Score: 1

      This is true in my experience in the U.S. too. There are vast differences in productivity levels between different people and times of the day, and most of the ones "working" the long hours are inefficient or faking it. There are "crunch" times on occasion, but even with those, the averages just need not be over 40 hours per week for people who make effective use of their time.

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    3. Re:Is Korea like Japan? by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      I consider that torture.

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  5. The Real Problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is that S. Koreans would rather work overtime than be with their spouses.

    1. Re:The Real Problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They need to work overtime to pay for their spouse's plastic surgery.

  6. My guess...... by OppMan29 · · Score: 1

    some of these people are using these same computers to do other things at home ... and that's why they oppose the new hours...

  7. Reduce overtime payments by mikael · · Score: 1

    Maybe the government wants to reduce overtime payments by getting employees to leave early. Then they reduce the government budget. Or perhaps get departments to expand. Cutting down on salaries like that would encourage workers to seek other ways of getting a pay rise.

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    1. Re:Reduce overtime payments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do not get paid overtime (at all) but still find myself working 45-ish hours a week.

    2. Re:Reduce overtime payments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In SK, they have overtime pay for salary employees? Wow!

  8. Meanwhile, in North Korea... by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 0

    Whippings have been ordered stopped between 2000 and 2300 on Sundays, to give the guards' arms some rest.

    1. Re:Meanwhile, in North Korea... by rkordmaa · · Score: 1

      The beatings will resume until morale improves!

  9. Somebody's Math Is Off by kenwd0elq · · Score: 1

    So 2700 hours is 1000 more than "other developed countries"? Let's see; a standard 40-hour workweek times 50 weeks a year is 2,000 hours (less, if you get more than 2 weeks vacation, and a lot of people do...) So either somebody can't do math, or a lot of other "developed" countries are working a lot less than we Americans do.

    1. Re:Somebody's Math Is Off by Harlequin80 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Standard working week in Australia is 38hrs and 4 weeks leave. So 1824hrs. Add onto that public holidays (12) and you are getting close.

    2. Re:Somebody's Math Is Off by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      Somebody can't do the math, indeed.
      365 days - week ends (104) - public holidays (15) - holidays (20) = 226 days
      and 2739 / 226 = 12 hours work a day!

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    3. Re:Somebody's Math Is Off by Stickasylum · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yes, Americans have longer work weeks and get very little time off compared to most other developed countries. And that's not a good thing.

    4. Re:Somebody's Math Is Off by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Other nations still hire their own citizens on merit.
      So they can all be seen working expected hours on a complex task.
      The job done on time to a set standard.

      The US has complex laws about who to hire and who has to stay working full time once hired.
      Work in the US becomes more of a workshop with a few amazing people working really hard.
      Random other people just stay at work so the database tracking over time will not flag any changes to work patterns.
      When the job is done by a few skilled workers everyone who stayed knows it is time to go home.
      The US hours worked look amazing per productive worker but the quality can be matched by educated citizens in other nations for less hours work.

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    5. Re:Somebody's Math Is Off by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      Standard working week in Australia is 38hrs and 4 weeks leave. So 1824hrs. Add onto that public holidays (12) and you are getting close.

      And a lot of places have 35-hour workweeks, especially in government. So that brings it down even more.

      35 hour workweek is 7 hours a day. 37.5 hour workweek is 7.5 hours a day, for those wondering.

    6. Re:Somebody's Math Is Off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wouldn't be keen to work in the USA unless I could negotiate no more than 40 hours a week and 6 weeks of holiday, and sick time when I am ill.

    7. Re:Somebody's Math Is Off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      260 working days - 8 days public holidays - 33 days annual holiday = 219 working days

      7.5 hour working day * 219 = 1642.5 hours

      That's in the UK for me

    8. Re:Somebody's Math Is Off by jrumney · · Score: 2

      Developed countries get at least 4 weeks vacation, and work 35 hour weeks.

    9. Re:Somebody's Math Is Off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wouldn't be keen to work in the USA unless I could negotiate no more than 40 hours a week and 6 weeks of holiday, and sick time when I am ill.

      How well is that working for Greece these days, by the way?

    10. Re:Somebody's Math Is Off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People in developed countries typically get 5+ weeks of vacation by law.

    11. Re:Somebody's Math Is Off by hazardPPP · · Score: 2

      I wouldn't be keen to work in the USA unless I could negotiate no more than 40 hours a week and 6 weeks of holiday, and sick time when I am ill.

      How well is that working for Greece these days, by the way?

      It works great for Switzerland, one of the richest countries in the world.

      GDP per capita in Switzerland: $80,837. In the US: $59,495.

      Speaking of Greece, it is number 3 in the OECD by total hours worked per year per worker (behind Mexico and South Korea).

      Hours worked per year in Greece: 2035. In the US: 1783. In aforementioned Switzerland: 1590.

      Hours worked per year/week and vacation weeks per year have very little to do with a country's wealth, economic output, or productivity. Greece's economy did not collapse because Greeks are "lazy" or "slackers" - not the vast majority of Greeks anyway. It had to do primarily with their corrupt political system.

    12. Re:Somebody's Math Is Off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (2,739-1000)= 1739
      1739/226 = 7.7 hours per day

      Note:

      So 2700 hours is 1000 more than "other developed countries"?

      8*226 = 1808, which is more than the (semi-) quoted 1700 ("2,739 hours a year -- about 1,000 hours more")

    13. Re:Somebody's Math Is Off by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      In tech we usually don't track sick time or WFH when we are dealing with life. PTO is logged only when we disappear for a week or two. Three weeks of PTO is not enough for me even in that situation. I have five weeks...I usually roll over a week.

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    14. Re:Somebody's Math Is Off by LienRag · · Score: 1

      Well, if they had more time they could use it to think, and we couldn't allow that (cough cough television)...

    15. Re:Somebody's Math Is Off by LienRag · · Score: 1

      Maybe they're talking about developed countries, not "developed" countries?

  10. Come on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With the diet here I have diarrhea and am sitting on the shitter at least 40 hours a week as it is!

  11. Fucking laptops...??? by wolfheart111 · · Score: 0

    What the hell are those.... :P

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  12. Koreans are sheeples by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No one can impose this type of ridiculous mandate in America because over here nobody gives a fuck what the authority says.

    But for the Koreans, they would toe the line, as strictly as their leaders tell them to.

    Koreans are sheeple

  13. Re:Trump will die in prison either way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Go away, IVAN

  14. same restrictions in the morning? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's to stop employers from forcing their employees to work earlier?

    edit: retail

  15. Porn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Obviously this decision was porn-related

  16. Rather tough by Chrisq · · Score: 1

    Rather tough for people on life support ... "The machine is keeping him alive but we need to switch it off at 19:00"

    1. Re:Rather tough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, this is a stupid idea by ham-fisted bureaucrats. Some people have automated processes that have to run, shutting off their computers will prevent them from running. The goal to have people work less hours is admirable, but this approach is stupid.

    2. Re:Rather tough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rather tough for people without brain cells, like yourself. You're pretty much the only person who thought something retarded like this. Kill yourself.

    3. Re:Rather tough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's pretty simple then, don't run automated processes on your fucking desktop. Do it on a server like a normal person. Pretty certain they're only talking about people's desktops. Those should be getting shut off at the end of the day anyways for electricity usage reasons.

      But you know, that would make TOO MUCH SENSE for /.

    4. Re:Rather tough by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      All you have to do is have the executives send emails telling people to go home. It works.

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  17. Downtime by Major+Blud · · Score: 1

    So if something crashes at 16:00 (when people are still at the office), but isn't fixed by 19:00, it stays broken until the morning?

    I guess that may be why 67.1% have "asked" to be exempt.

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    1. Re:Downtime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just for the weekend

  18. In Korea after 7PM, by RDW · · Score: 1

    Email is Only for Old People (who have already retired, and can use the internet at home).

  19. Or hire more people... by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

    ....and change the cultural view that in order to be respected and have job security you need to bend over backwards.

    1. Re:Or hire more people... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right. Without doing that, all I see this doing is increasing people's work on other days, and their stress over the weekend!

  20. Productive Hours by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Take from this what you will bc it's purely anecdotal, but my friend in SK says everyone in the office goes out drinking at night together and the entire office is nursing their hangovers for the better part of most mornings and early afternoons. I have a friend in Japan that says everyone spends so much time nurturing their social connections through gossip that they end up having to stay late to get their work done.

    This isn't by any means specific to Asian countries: in most of the places I've worked, the vast majority of the people working long hours were either milking overtime or incompetent. Long or late hours don't always translate into productivity.

  21. From the Culture with 2am Cram Schools by Koreantoast · · Score: 1

    In context, this is from the same country where the government mandates that tutoring centers (known as hagwon or "cram schools") all close at 10pm because students would be there until 2am in the morning during weekdays. Also to be noted that students and parents protested this government ordinance because they were afraid that students would fall behind their peers in the high pressure education environment in Korea. To this day, students and hagwon operators regularly flout the law, covering up windows and going cloak and dagger when government inspectors come by.

    1. Re:From the Culture with 2am Cram Schools by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      This is fucking hilarious!

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  22. But productivity is so low by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1
    We have customers in Korea and the defects they submit are just incredible.

    Some one would spend some 50 or 60 hours working on setting up a simulation and they will ask for help because the answers are wrong. Our tech support would find they have worked on completely irrelevant portions of the models, and missed big important settings. They read our manuals in English, use an English-Korean dictionary, misunderstand a few terms, and waste all the effort. Simple things like missing the line that says, ".. Let the power loss be rho (greek symbol)..." and assume rho means specific gravity or something as defined in some other discussion in some other chaper. By the time they come around ask for clarification, it is so difficult because till you figure out they are misunderstanding the definition of rho, you can not make head or tails of the discussion.

    It is truly mind boggling, they turn out fantastic products, but how they manage to do it with this level of inefficiency I am not able to explain at all. I am missing something, Dont know what.

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    1. Re:But productivity is so low by hazardPPP · · Score: 1

      It is truly mind boggling, they turn out fantastic products, but how they manage to do it with this level of inefficiency I am not able to explain at all. I am missing something, Dont know what.

      They manage it by doing insane hours. Similar to Japan...with all the stuff about just-in-time production, kaizen and the like, my impression is that Japanese companies and workers (on an individual level) - especially white collar office workers - are not really that efficient. They are perfectionists, have a strict hierarchy and low tolerance of error, work under huge stress, and put in a ridiculous amount of effort to get things done. So the end product is great...but the process to getting there is bad and terribly inefficient. No wonder the national sport is getting crazy-drunk after work.

    2. Re:But productivity is so low by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They read our manuals in English, use an English-Korean dictionary, misunderstand a few terms, and waste all the effort.

      Your company has made no accommodations for your customers with a different native language, and yet they're the ones to blame for the loss of productivity due to the misunderstanding.

      Okey dokey.

    3. Re:But productivity is so low by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is truly mind boggling, they turn out fantastic products, but how they manage to do it with this level of inefficiency I am not able to explain at all. I am missing something, Dont know what.

      They make a lot of mistakes because their culture requires them to work too many hours. This causes fatigue, which leads to error, which leads to a lot of time wasted correcting errors that shouldn't of happened in the first place.

      In general, in technical fields, people should not be working more than 32 hours on average per week, anything else will cause reduced long term efficiency as the mistakes made (and the failure to see creative opportunities) will end up costing more time than you save by working the extra time.

      There are occasionally tasks where one can get away with working longer hours for a short while - but this has to be made up with extra time off within a few weeks or the long term results will be very bad. Cumulative fatigue can be a big problem for working efficiently, and it isn't something that can be solved by a night of sleep or even by exercise. Also, the relationship between extra time worked and the amount of time off needed to correct matters is not a linear one: a short extra vacation will not necessarily correct matters.

      Health issues - both physical and psychological - are also a big problem when working long hours for an extended period.

      This is one of those things that gets a LOT of companies in trouble. Bad managers think they can just tack extra hours onto the schedule to meet a market window. Expecting employees to work longer hours is a sign of somebody that is trying to subordinate reality to schedule, which is a fancy way of saying somebody that is stupid.

      Trying to coerce people to work longer hours is not only stupid, but generally unethical, a probable violation of an organizations Standards of Business Conduct (these typically require ethical conduct), and in many jurisdictions is illegal. You can not have a safe and healthy workplace if people are being over-worked - and the right to a safe and healthy workplace is a basic human right. Further, people that are over-worked are more likely to be involved in accidents (whether at work, in the home after work, on the highway), which gives the organization some degree of fault in those accidents and can create legal liability. Finally, for publicly held organizations, it's a violation of the public trust for managers to have employees work overly long hours, resulting in accidents, health problems, and inefficiency - it's exactly the opposite of what the public expects from professional management.

      Unfortunately, stupidity is quite common - even with managers that have done the job and should know better. Often people draw the wrong lessons from their personal experience, perhaps because they have little conception of what it is to work efficiently at a particular job - many people become managers before they have enough experience to learn how to be efficient. When such people become managers, expect trouble.

      In the end, of course, not only the employees pay a price, consumers do as well, in the form product defects and products that don't work right or fall apart quickly. Sometimes people get killed as a result of accidents caused by work-related fatigue, in which case society pays a very high price for allowing that to happen. The really sad thing is some of those stupid managers who institute bad policies end up with promotions and big bonuses, even if they've destroyed other people lives and caused society all kinds of harm.

  23. When do the computers turn back on? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So everybody can come to work at 3am and turn their computer back on?

  24. and in 2020 if they get rid of last train then the by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    and in 2020 if they get rid of last train then there will be no hard cut off time

  25. Re:wtf, /-- ulterior motive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The government has this nefarious scheme of abolishing Daylight Savings Time, starting with the South, to show the mighty dictator up north Kim Jong Whats-his-face that superior firepower or not, nobody but Seoul's government can show everyone when the weekend actually starts.

    Robots will be coming in, not to replace these workers; but they will roll into the workers' production floors and cubicle farms, little roombas to huge Hoover Big Suckas gathering their coordinates and creating schematics for the ultimate cleaning force -- all made in Korea.

  26. Good Way to Reduce Unemployment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You'll need to have more workers to do your dirty work in the allowed time.

  27. Re: Trump will die in prison either way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bush lied and people died!!!!

  28. hours by ohgary · · Score: 1

    SO no LG, Sony, KIA tech support after hours, Who's hours?

    1. Re:hours by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you fucking retarded? This is for employees of the Seoul Metropolitan Government. Not private sector workers. I swear /. has been overrun by retards.