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FCC's New 5G Rules Favor Fast Setup Over Federal Reviews (cnet.com)
In a 3-2, party-line vote Thursday, FCC commissioners passed a measure that exempts small cell radio deployments from federal environmental and historical preservation reviews originally meant for large cell phone towers. The vote didn't affect reviews from towns and cities, but the agency may consider exemptions for those reviews later this year. CNET reports: Republican FCC Commissioner Brendan Carr has been leading the agency's charge in promoting 5G. He said the exemptions are sorely needed because reviews have been costing wireless operators too much and have slowed deployments. In 2017, these federal reviews cost providers $36 million. He anticipates that as 5G deployments increase in the coming year they could cost providers as much as $241 million. Meanwhile, he said FCC records show that less than 1 percent of cases reviewed resulted in any changes to planned deployments.
"The disproportionate fees are the product of a broken and outdated system," Carr said. "This threatens to hold us back in the race to 5G or limit the business case to densely populated or affluent areas." He added that with Thursday's rule change, the FCC "can flip the business case for thousands of communities." Democratic Commissioner Jessica Rosenworcel, however, said that though the current reviews process does involve red tape, Thursday's change "misses the mark" and also runs afoul of key environmental and historic preservation values.
"The disproportionate fees are the product of a broken and outdated system," Carr said. "This threatens to hold us back in the race to 5G or limit the business case to densely populated or affluent areas." He added that with Thursday's rule change, the FCC "can flip the business case for thousands of communities." Democratic Commissioner Jessica Rosenworcel, however, said that though the current reviews process does involve red tape, Thursday's change "misses the mark" and also runs afoul of key environmental and historic preservation values.
Is there something fundamentally different about 5G that they can't deploy on all the existing towers?
If you're building new towers I certainly understand environmental impact and historical preservation reviews.
What is it though about putting more antennae on existing towers that requires an expensive review? Or any review at all?
(And costing operators too much? Hah. We all know they're just going to pass their costs on to us.)
Duh! So what does the EPA have to do with Federal Communications Regulations?
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Actually I think the federal government needs to radically downsize and butt out of 20-30+% of what they have their fingers in. If I recall from my 8th grade civics class, the states retained all responsibility for everything not specifically granted to the federal government in the constitution. In my mind the federal government has badly over reached their powers.
Just my 2 cents
$36 million is what? 1/100th of Verizon and/or AT&T’s yearly revenues? Poor things...
We can start with the $716 billion we're spending on this shit. It adds up to $5682 for each household in the US. Every year. Year after year, and it goes up 10% every year even though the only time it gets used is for useless fuckery in third world sandboxes like Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan. And that's not counting our nuclear arsenal, which doesn't get included in the defense budget.
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You are welcome on my lawn.
The truth is!
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Our current spending on the books is 4 trillion+
We are in real trouble, I agree partly about the need to eviscerate defense, but if we were to close most overseas military bases. tell our allies if your attacked we will be there when we can. Mothball most of the airforce/navy just keep some planes/ships and the coast guard. Cut everything to the bone, if something happens, we will accept loses and take the mass casualties for the first year+ until we reengage. I don't like the policy, but we are broke.
The problem you have is, if we do this to our defense budget our federal budget is not even in the black yet.
Our problem is not military spending, it is domestic spending!
Just my 2 cents
The problem isn’t just spending but unnecessary tax cuts.
The government allowing individuals to keep more of what they earn (what is theirs?) is a problem?
5G will bring the speeds promised by 3G to your phone.
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AC Re: 'So, what exactly is so great about 5G"?
5G supports real broadband speeds.
Build a few new towers and make a great new connection to the internet.
With useful upload and download speeds.
Internet speed beyond speed on paper insulated wireline.
So much great broadband that the internet will get boring.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
Federal government revenue per capita in inflation-adjusted dollars is up by 3x in the last 40 years.
The problem is that spending is up 4x in the same measure.
Spending is completely the issue, not the near record levels of revenue. Even a relatively minor slowdown in the annual spending increases would balance the budget in 20 years.
The party of stupid and the party of evil get together and do something both stupid and evil, then call it bipartisan.
Who are we "racing" to get 5G deployed and why?
Is there some huge issue with people hitting the wall speed-wise on existing LTE networks? Last I heard no one was getting anywhere close to the maximum speeds of the infrastructure we've got -- mostly due to a lack of back-haul capacity supplying it.
Considering how the government coddles the incumbent telcos and doesn't hold them to any standards when it comes to fully supporting the markets they have been given exclusive access to, it's obvious that they don't consider high speed internet access an important thing, so that's not why.
In terms of along the country run better, that might be a good idea, but don't expect it to make any difference from a monetary perspective. The US government is basically a giant retirement program (including Medicaid) with a portion of military on the side (most of which is salaries and pension). Everything else the government does is a rounding error compared to those two things.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
You should really look at the doending again then. Domestic spending is a fraction of military spending.
THE ISSUE IS THE DEBT. That eats up 30% of our budget via interest alone. No payments to prinicpal.
No the only solution is to raise taxes on the rich, cut all spending, and lose ,2-3 generations of econmonic growth to pay back what the baby boomers have spent.
To start? We need to pass a balanced budget law. Keep it simple. This year's budget is equal to last year's tax revenue unless war has been declared by Congress. That will allow increase in spending as the economy grows and taxes cuts will force the decrease in spending they require.
Republicans keep doing the tax cut increase spending to stimulate the economy. Except the two never pay for themselves
i thought once I was found, but it was only a dream.
Exactly. While we may be anxious to get 5G deployed, who is going to "race" in and do it ahead of us? Space aliens?
And that whole rationale about cost is simply ridiculous. We (I work for a cellphone provider) spend about a million bucks PER enodeB (LTE) tower. (construction or leasing, the enodeB hardware, backhaul and licensing). And they're yakking about 37 million INDUSTRY WIDE????? Gimme a break.
If you want to start reducing federal expenses, then start with the military budget, which accounts for 50%.
As for regulation it is the to reduce the risk of corporations doing any shit they want, impeding on the rights of the citizens of the land. Would you want a NFL or NBA game without rules, well thatâ(TM)s what removing all regulations would be like? Also, it is better for a corporation to have to deal with one regulation at federal level, than dozens spread out amongst different states.
When it comes to trusting the government or mega corporations less, then I am torn. Then again corporations do a better job of influencing the government these days, than the average US citizen.
Jumpstart the tartan drive.
Itâ(TM)s likely less than 1% changed because carriers are submitting plans that would likely pass review to begin with. Without such a review, they may not be so careful when planning new deployments.
If you want to start reducing federal expenses, then start with the military budget, which accounts for 50%.
Military spending accounts for about 54% of the approximately 1/3 of Federal spending that is classified as "discretionary". So about 18% of total spending. The overwhelming majority of Federal spending is for Social Security and Medicare.
Um, Did you not see the previous story?
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Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
Actually I think the federal government needs to radically downsize and butt out of 20-30+% of what they have their fingers in. If I recall from my 8th grade civics class, the states retained all responsibility for everything not specifically granted to the federal government in the constitution. In my mind the federal government has badly over reached their powers.
The problem is RF doesn't respect state boundaries a bit. Not a bit.
I'm happy to state's right's stuff, but trying to imagine a country where each state sets the RF communications rules, frequencies, and modes would be completely chaotic. 50 different sets of rules.
What should probably scare you even more is that it isn't only the Federal government, but all of this radio and electronic stuff is regulated by the world! Every few years, most all the countries of the world get together and hammer out rules as to what frequencies are used for what.
Anyhow yeah, its a complicated and intricate job hammering out how to work this stuff. I have a big poster of this in my office https://www.ntia.doc.gov/files... .
And that's just one country. But its worth a read. And time after time we have interests that try to mess with it - thing the failed Broadband over Power Line or setting up broadband service that nukes GPS. It's usually people trying to trump physics for money or ideology.
There is a good chance that this initiative will create interference and destroy the very service it aims to create. The reviews were put in place for a reason. Physics was the reason, not left wing bureaucrats trying to impede progress.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Domestic spending is a fraction of military spending.
Huh?
Military spending - $609B (15.8%)
Foreign aid - $50B (1.3%)
Interest - $229B (6%)
Domestic programs - $2.9T (76%)
Where did you get your supposed numbers from?
The jealousy and envy are strong with this one! -Yoda teaching Econ 1
Maybe, but it's true. All the benefits of industry -- offshoring, productivity gains, mergers, they all go to the top. The lower and middle class just sees stagnant wages and job losses. Maybe they have reason to blame those issues on the people who are getting all the money. It didn't just come from nowhere.
The lower and middle classes struggle and get screwed. Meanwhile, the wealth gap is the highest that it's been since the 1920s. Don't think they have reason to be a little pissed? But sure, it's just jealousy of their 'betters' who benefit the most from the system they set up.
5G supports real broadband speeds.
Build a few new towers and make a great new connection to the internet.
With useful upload and download speeds.
Internet speed beyond speed on paper insulated wireline.
Yeah, and cell phone contracts with far more ridiculous restrictions over bandwidth and use than even Comcast and AT&T put on their landlines! Woohoo!
Who cares about bandwidth? You should talk about latency as it's much more important for a mobile network.
Anyone who cares about video streaming! You can have a 5ms ping, and it won't do you much good if your bandwidth is so low that you still can't push through many bits at once. Now for gamers like me, latency is king. But I can't think of many (any?) cell phone games off the top of my head that need it, probably since they were designed assuming high-latency connections.
Yeah, let's get Scott Pruitt on the phone and see if he objects to skipping his department's reviews! He'd have to hate the department he's in charge of to allow that..
Other countries will race ahead because they don't have the arguably pointless emvironmental and historical research required.
For the cynical, follow-the-money types out there, this is a legal way for politicians to get in the way, to get legally paid via donation to get back out of the way.
The corrupt DMV person demanding $200 or your driver's license is delayed a few years, so prevalent in many countries, is an amateur.
(-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
Getting data down using real bandwidth?
Waiting for HD and 4K data to stream over paper insulated monopoly telco wireline?
The race is on to get the USA connected and able to enjoy new internet products and services.
Products that need real speed and much more bandwidth all the time to enjoy.
5G can allow the USA to escape its old telco networks and the wireline monopoly brands that kept the US internet slow for generations of new content.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"