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Elon Musk Slows Tesla Deliveries On 'Dangerous' Trucks (electrek.co)
An anonymous reader quotes Electrek:
Tesla is always very busy in Norway, its biggest market per capita, but it has recently been difficult for the automaker to deliver its vehicles as its shipments keep being taken off the road for using transporters with "dangerous" trucks that do not conform to the rules. The California-based automaker generally ships its vehicles to Norway through the port of Drammen, but it is experiencing capacity issues so they are instead going through Gothenburg port and having to use more trucks to move the cars to its stores and service centers.
According to several media reports in Norway, over half a dozen of those trucks have been stopped by the authorities for a variety of safety reasons during inspections and one of the trucks that wasn't stopped ended up in an accident. Two Model S vehicles were crushed on the trailer involved in the accident. Tesla says that it is having difficulties finding competent transporters that comply to Norway's road requirements. On top of the safety issues, Tesla is also using transporters operating Euro 3 class trucks, which are more polluting.
Elon Musk tweeted in response to the article that "I have just asked our team to slow down deliveries.
"It is clear that we are exceeding the local logistics capacity due to batch build and delivery. Customer happiness & safety matter more than a few extra cars this quarter."
According to several media reports in Norway, over half a dozen of those trucks have been stopped by the authorities for a variety of safety reasons during inspections and one of the trucks that wasn't stopped ended up in an accident. Two Model S vehicles were crushed on the trailer involved in the accident. Tesla says that it is having difficulties finding competent transporters that comply to Norway's road requirements. On top of the safety issues, Tesla is also using transporters operating Euro 3 class trucks, which are more polluting.
Elon Musk tweeted in response to the article that "I have just asked our team to slow down deliveries.
"It is clear that we are exceeding the local logistics capacity due to batch build and delivery. Customer happiness & safety matter more than a few extra cars this quarter."
50/51 flown missions successful on the primary payload, 49/51 on all payloads, plus one ground failure, doesn't even remotely resemble "the worst relaiability in the history of rocketry". The average failure rate is 5,8%. Not worst - average. And the reason that none are allowed to carry passengers, apart from the fact that qualification takes years, is that they don't have a manned capsule completed yet. What do you want them to do, launch people strapped to a chair on the side of a rocket like something out of Kerbal Space Program?
In somewhere around a billion miles, there has been one confirmed death (plus one "I think my son was using autopilot but I'm not going to let Tesla check the logs"). The normal rate of driving deaths is one per around 80 million miles. In the one death, the NTHSA investigated and found Tesla to not be at fault; the driver had ample time to react but did nothing (if I recall correctly, the semi was visible in his path for something like 7 seconds), and that Tesla's attempts to ensure that drivers paid attention were sufficient (that said, Tesla followed up with more driver pestering, and Model 3 has a driver-facing camera which is expected to be used for eye tracking).
Is your job to sit under bridges and jump out at unsuspecting travellers?
I'll take that 1 death over the 12 it prevented.
Add to the list of myths that just won't die.
No, they had to sue the USAF to break ULA's monopoly. USAF was sued because they made endless delays in conducting their engineering analysis, which SpaceX accused of being due to the fact that ULA offers an effective revolving-door policy for former USAF officials involved in approvals. SpaceX had already turned over all of the data that was supposed to qualify them to launch. And you want to talk about the fact that some people in congress have supported SpaceX... far more people in congress have continually and consistently lined up behind ULA, which carefully spreads its jobs around various congressional districts and spends large amounts on lobbying.
I'll never get why you people love crazy-expensive monopolies run by defense giants so much.
Is your job to sit under bridges and jump out at unsuspecting travellers?
No, see, you don't understand Seeking Alpha logic. Tesla's cars are so terrible that just being in physical contact with one will make your truck crash! It's like a hex. Load a bunch of them on the back of your truck all at once, and you're just asking for disaster.
Is your job to sit under bridges and jump out at unsuspecting travellers?
Yeah, I mean, what cars has Tesla ever finished? Well, the Roadster, but apart from that. Well, the Model S, but apart from that. Well, the Model X, but apart from that. Well, the Model 3 is already the highest number of EV deliveries in the US for two months in a row, but because it's not up to full production yet, AHA! See, he never finishes anything! ;)
Is your job to sit under bridges and jump out at unsuspecting travellers?
China and Florida eh? You're making my point for me..
Now back in reality:
SpaceX reliability is right on average for the space industry even if you take into account early experimental failures. If you only count payloads lost it's better than average. They are beaten only by ULA, and only because of one single failure to deliver a payload.
Telsa's Autopilot according to the NHSTA drops the highway accident rate of these vehicles by 40% making an autopilot driven Tesla currently the safest way to move on the highway. https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/i... (Figure 11)
Mind you if you did get into an accident you'll probably want to be in a Tesla given that most of the models are widely considered the safest cars on the road, and the Model S achieved a record high rating by the NHTSA and NCAP and the Model X was the only SUV to ever be awarded 5 stars by the NHTSA as well. https://www.nhtsa.gov/vehicle/...
As for the Boring company, no doubt its safety will be a story as boring as your lame post.
That’s why their rockets have the worst relaiability in the history of rocketry.
Sorry but that is total BS. The Falcon 9 has had 51 launches of which only 2 failed giving it just over a 96% reliability. The Russian Soyuz series has had over 1700 launches with a 97.4% reliability. Hence, the Falcon 9 with far fewer launches has a reliability comparable to one of the most tried, tested and reliable launch vehicles there is (source).
Clearly a lone wolf amongst entrenched automakers.
Ford's seatbelt that released on impact, Toyota's pedal entrapment, Honda's airbags with accessory shrapnel, GM's randomly detachable rear suspension... with barely a closing mention on the Ford Pinto and GM's side saddle gasoline tanks.
A prominent vehicle manufacturer who places safety above product distribution... ready his stake, villagers.
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I'll never get why you people love crazy-expensive monopolies run by defense giants so much.
It's not so much that they love monopolies; its just that they love to hate Musk.
And every single launch ONE of his rockets has failed to land on its ass-end too, or taken out the landing platform on the way down.
SpaceX has attempted 29 landings, and succeeded 26 times. In what world does that equal a failure to land on every launch? Do you even math, bro?
Here in Sweden the Swedish truckers had been out competed by low wage work force from east Europe. Maybe their trucks doesn't cut it in Norway.
Those foreign trucks doesn't cut it here in Sweden either. Anytime there is an accident with a truck involved there is at least an 80% chance the truck is on foreign plates...
Has he though? I understand that he has lost all credibility in *your* eyes but you are just one among billions
According to Statistics Norway at the end of 2015 there were 2.6 million passenger cars registered in Norway.
So how is it possible that all these other auto companies can transport millions of cars but Tesla "is having difficulties finding competent transporters that comply to Norway's road requirements"?
They're not transporting "millions of cars" every year, at most 200 thousand in a good year and Teslas have been 3-5% of the volume for the past several years, sometimes as much at 10% for a single quarter.
Pain is merely failure leaving the body
Norwegian here. This is just how the transportation market seems to be overall these days, and a follow-on effect of the European open market. It has nothing to do with Tesla specifically. It is not their trucks, and it happens for all other kinds of transportation of goods and services. This really should not be a story that so strongly features Tesla.
The pattern is pretty much this, that we keep reading about trucks that were stopped or investigated following an accident, that seem to 95% of the time come from Eastern Europe (the Baltic countries, Poland, and Rumania are typically the points of origin), due to non-functional brakes, tires that are wore down, cargo that is not secured, or whatever. Plus zombie drivers who have skipped the mandatory sleep.
This is particularly prominent in Winter, when we get typical Norwegian weather and some idiot truck driver halts all traffic on a clogged main road due to losing traction on a main road and somehow ending up blocking every lane. And afterwards you read that "the truck had summer tires".
A problem that really needs fixing. These drivers and truck companies ought to start getting something more than a little slap on the wrist for these issues. Super heavy fines and some jail time ought to be a good motivation to follow European safety standards. I see zero reason to cut those crooks any slack.
https://www.statista.com/stati...
Ramping up sharply too. On track to ship 360,000 vehicles in 2018 even if there were no further production improvements.
There's not a chance in hell Tesla will make 360,000 vehicles this year and it was be disastrous for them to try.
If they get close to 200k of well-built cars, that would be an achievement in itself
Pain is merely failure leaving the body
Go here. Let's pick a relatively recent year, so it reflects relatively modern manufacturing, but not so modern that there won't be time for problems to come up. Say, 2015? So punch in, say, "2015 Tesla" in one year, then pick some other manufacture and do the same thing - I'll do "2015 BMW" or "2015 Mercedes". Let's see how many recalls come up for each of the models that come up.
Tesla: 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 0, 0, 1
BMW: 2, 1, 1, 1, 1, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 1, 1, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 0, 0, 0, 3, 1, 0, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2...
Mercedes: 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 4, 1, 8, 8, 8, 8, 0, 0, 3, 3, 3, 3, 8, 8, 7, 7, 1, 1, 2, 2, 4, 4, 6, 6....
My god, look at that horrible Tesla build quality!
Furthermore, Tesla has - very unusually - never had a mandatory recall forced on them by the NHTSA, or one that started from a NHTSA investigation. Every single recall Tesla has ever had has come internally.
Is your job to sit under bridges and jump out at unsuspecting travellers?
Even back in 2014 when the tech wasn't as mature as it is today, rates of EV fires, including rates of Tesla fires, were much lower than they are for gasoline vehicles. Yes, it's possible to burn a battery pack, but you have to really mess it up to do so. As an example of how fire resistant they are, this Model S was entirely gutted in an unrelated fire, to the point of leaving a pool of molten alumium on the ground, and still didn't manage to burn the battery pack. Here's the results of what happens when you deliberately try to burn a Powerpack (same basic tech).
Gee, who'dathunkit that filling a pack with fire barriers and surrounding every cell with a non-flammable coolant might mean something?
OMG, a car got in a nonfatal accident at highway speeds and protects its occupant! Quick, ring the New York Times, have them dispatch an autogyro to the scene, post haste!
OMG, another highway-speed crash with an astoundingly small amount of damage (" minor cuts and bruises from the accident but was otherwise unharmed"), caused due to a fire truck stopped on a highway causing traffic to have to swerve out of its way, causing minimal damage to the fire truck, with the Tesla driver openly stating that the accident was his fault? WORLD NEWS MEDIA, WHERE ARE YOU? This is the story of the century! Cars never crash, and yet... twice!
Dear Lord, a vehicle with a manufacturing defect, from a company making a hundred thousand vehicles per year? I've never heard of such a thing! That's never happened before in history! What's next... two? Three even? Oh, precious God in heaven above! They've even fooled new owners picking up their vehicles on the Tesla forums into not finding defects on their cars. What sort of sorcery are they playing here? They even got Consumer Reports to rank Model S above average in reliability. Witchcraft!
Oh, precious Heaven above, a car gets in an accident because he wasn't paying attention and praises how well it protected him, writing "“Everyone from the paramedics to the tow truck driver said that people don’t usually walk away from this. Had this been a regular ICE vehicle, I would be dead or in a lot worse condition." WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE STOP TESLA BEFORE THEY KILL AGAIN????
Also: clearly, NOBODY has EVER before in the history of time made a car with a central speedometer. It's just never happened! Certainly not completely>/i> centred ones, let alone "right beside the wheel" like in Model 3. Nope, never happened! Because it's so much safer to have to look "down and then through an obstruction" to see your speed, vs. "down and slightly right with no obstructions". Obviously!
Is your job to sit under bridges and jump out at unsuspecting travellers?
It all over Scandinavia, and it is part of the curse that the EU has become.
Truck drivers have been replaced with cheap labour from eastern Europe with the blessing of the EU.
- None of them cares about, or have time to cover their load. I see trucks every day that breaks the law and peppers the freeway with debris. On my way to work, I now avoid the main corridors where they drive and no longer do I need to have my windshield replaced every other year. The police of course are quite understaffed to take on all the problems the EU are bringing with it, so they can pretty much to as they please and these truck drivers don't give a fuck about all the damage they cause.
-To keep the price town they live in their trucks, often parked between jobs in places not equipped to handle overnight guests. One place across the street from my office comes to mind, where the shrubbery between roads have become a toilet filled with human feces.
- There are some laws put in place to limit foreign drivers basically living in the trucks and doing only work inside the country but it has not effect it seems.
- Also rest stops along the freeways are having problems with the massive amount of foreign trucks parked/camping. Some drive just south to germany only to return again across the border. And the rest stop down there have had problems with truckers camping, drinking, fighting.
I suppose it's a shitty life, enabled and approved by the EU.
L'Idiot
and Telsa is selling more Model S in the US than BMW and Mercedes for their traditional luxury cars, see
https://www.teslarati.com/bmw-...
Telsa is impacting BMW and Mercedes sales in the US, it is not just an EV fight but a luxury car fight as well.
A german or japanese car with "driver assistance" would have braked, without even activating "autopilot".
In the Florida Tesla crash, the US semi-trailer has no side-impact protection to help prevent cars from going under the trailer. However, in Europe side-impact protection for trailers is mandatory.
I highly doubt that a European car or Japanese car would be able to detect the presence of the US trailer via their use of their forward radar emergency braking systems due to the big gap between the ground and the lower edge of the trailer.
I have a suggestion, please add side-impact protection to all US semi-trailers. This will allow the car's safety systems a better chance of detecting the trailer and to hit the trailer using the car's front crumple zone which will deploy the air-bags.