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Americans Less Likely To Trust Facebook than Rivals on Personal Data (reuters.com)
Opinion polls published on Sunday in the United States and Germany cast doubt over the level of trust people have in Facebook over privacy, as the firm ran advertisements in British and U.S. newspapers apologizing to users. From a report: Fewer than half of Americans trust Facebook to obey U.S. privacy laws, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll released on Sunday, while a survey published by Bild am Sonntag, Germany's largest-selling Sunday paper, found 60 percent of Germans fear that Facebook and other social networks are having a negative impact on democracy [...] The Reuters/Ipsos online poll found that 41 percent of Americans trust Facebook to obey laws that protect their personal information, compared with 66 percent who said they trust Amazon.com, 62 percent who trust Alphabet's Google, 60 percent for Microsoft Corp..
Probably a mistake. you really shouldn't trust any of them.
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Breaking the law is bad business and it typically ends up costing more in lawyers and fines than following it would. That's kind of the point.
But who thinks the laws protect their private data? You click EULAs with these companies agreeing that they can do what they want and that you can't sue them for it. The laws protect the companies, if they didn't, they'd get new laws.
LOL, headline should be: "Americans less likely to believe in U.S. Privacy laws than the Easter Bunny".
Reuters/Ipsos online poll found that 41 percent of Americans trust Facebook to obey laws
And 99% had their poll vote added to the data that Facebook keeps on them via "like" button. ;)
Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
After years of changing privacy settings unannounced, flipping privacy switches silently, burying information about it in gigabytes of legalese, putting up smokes and mirrors whenever someone tried to find out just how much FB knows about them and even outright lying about accounts being deleted, and being generally opaque when it comes to what information they store about you, how and in what context, I hope that nobody is wondering why nobody trusts them.
Not that anyone else that's in the data collection business is any more trustworthy, mind you, but FB pretty much went out of their way to flaunt how they pwn your data and how you can't do jack shit about it.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Whether any law gets heeded simply depends on potential profit breaking it, potential fine for being caught and chance of being caught. If the product of the latter two is lower than the first, the law is toothless an will be ignored.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
"Fewer than half of Americans trust Facebook to obey U.S. privacy laws".
What in the hell is this survey referring to? The US doesn't have any privacy laws!
I don't respond to AC's.
Look around you (after changing your heart), most non-teckies did not change at all regarding their Facebook behavior. Was a similar opinion poll conducted before the recent privacy issues, say a month ago, showing more trust towards FB?
Slashdot, fix the reply notifications... You won't get away with it...
That's only true until your company reaches a certain size. Then you get a slap on the wrist of a few million, while you enjoy your hundreds of millions of ill-gotten gains. And, of course, you can use some of that money to change the laws so you never have to face punishment in the first place, since all legislative branches only really care about the people with money.
I don't know, but it works for me.
They don't trust Facebook et al but they'll give them complete control over their information and therefore their lives anyway.
Irrational to the last.
With Microsoft I have no idea how they're going to abuse the information I give them and there and there's no way to avoid it.
Linux?
We privacy enthusiasts have been so hopeful about what may happen to Facebook's user count that if you all want to be in denial and think they're the only ones stealing you're data, fine. We will take what we can get. We know we're playing a long game. Just know, you always have a third option. There's no such thing as "less of the evils" when it comes to capitalism and computers. You just have to get out of your comfort zone and start looking. And if my uBlock/NoScripts is telling the truth, you don't need Google, you don't need Amazon, and we Linux users definitely don't need Micro$oft. Besides, I wouldn't trust anything Germany says about privacy anymore; they've really been screwing with that concept in the last few years.
Not in today's scale - Back in the '90's when Microsoft was hit by the US DOJ for abuse of power, Janet Reno, US Attorney General threatened to fine Microsoft $1M per day. Purportedly as a response, Bill Gates laughed and quipped "let them, I make $1 million per hour!".
The point being today, companies are hundreds of thousands of times larger. Companies make billions, a few millions in fines here and there is just a budgeted line item under "legal fees". As an example, look at Wells Fargo, robo signing of home foreclosures after the 2008 crash (essentially steal homes), millions of fraudulent accounts created for fees dating back decades, and after 20 years of wrongdoing, they're still #3.
Today's business dollars are beyond any government oversight. The money and corruption are too high.
I'm a bit shocked that it's such a big story now, but I realize most people still weren't thinking about the fact that they were the product with this scheme. Even now, you don't trust Facebook but you trust Google? That's crazy to me, but the typical response of most people is to love the new shiny, and once you've made that choice, you'll tell yourself any convenient story to keep that illusion alive, until you're faced with overwhelming evidence like this.
"I have never let my schooling interfere with my education." - Mark Twain
At least Mr. Zuckerberg was candid enough to say right at the beginning, "they actually trust me with their data? Those stupid fucks."
Great quote. Do you have a citation?
Whether any law gets heeded simply depends on potential profit breaking it, potential fine for being caught and chance of being caught. If the product of the latter two is lower than the first, the law is toothless an will be ignored.
What law was broken? By using Facebook you agreed to the EULA which allows all of this.
Were all the pictures of your friends' dinners and new shoes worth it?
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Today's business dollars are beyond any government oversight.
You clearly misunderstand the PURPOSE of government oversight. It's purpose is not to control the abuses by the big companies, it is to prevent smaller companies from posing a threat to the big companies.
Just look at the Dodd-Frank law. Crafted by the two men, Rep Barney Frank and Senator Chris Dodd, who were among the loudest voices telling everyone that nothing was wrong leading up to the 2008 crash every time someone tried to fix the problem before it blew up. They also provided some of the muscle to keep any sort of fix from happening. Then we have the law itself which was advertised as a solution to "too big to fail". How did it go about fixing that? by making it harder for small banks to compete with bigger banks, forcing them to sell themselves to the mega-banks.
The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
I realize most people still weren't thinking about the fact that they were the product with this scheme
People aren't dumb. I think most people understand corporations need to make money and Facebook is a big company with vast expenses.
Violating your privacy is Facebook's core business. Whether they are acting as the broker to sell advertising through their network or selling data to third parties, your private information is their product. The social networking service they run is the bait they use to get you to hand them your information.
The electronic privacy laws in the US are fairly weak so there is a lot they can do without breaking them. Being surprised that Facebook invades your privacy is like being surprised that Ford continues to manufacture and sell cars. It is their core business.
Really, talk to JP Morgan Chase, it's all part of doing business.
If Facebook has vast expenses, then they need to be CHARGING for that, which is what revenue is, the cost charged to produce the good or service.
People are dumb because they don't understand what Facebook does with their information. As evidenced by this latest non-issue. Facebook as always sold your information. Facebook has always given too much access to your information. Happened back in 2012 by the Obama campaign. NOBODY complained. In fact member of the campaign gave a TED talk about it!
If Facebook has vast expenses, then they need to be CHARGING for that, which is what revenue is, the cost charged to produce the good or service.
Advertiser supported businesses are as old as the universe and I don't think they are going away. You of course have a choice whether to participate.
Happened back in 2012 by the Obama campaign.
THANKS OBAMA!
> No one should ever use their real name on a social media account. Nor should
> they allow access to contacts, and other invasive permissions or give a social
> media company their phone number. Even better is not to sign up in the first place.
Most smartphones come with facebook built-in to the carrier-bloat, and many of them cannot be rooted/reflashed. The Facebook app will be scraping your contacts list and various metadata *EVEN IF YOU NEVER SIGNED UP*.
I'm not repeating myself
I'm an X window user; I'm an ex-Windows user
And who do you think should run corporations if you prematurely abort all future CEOs?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
....they're stupid enough to keep using it. Oh well!
There's a difference between advertising-supported businesses of old, like newspapers and television commercials, and what we have now which is selling the data more than selling the eyeballs.
"I have never let my schooling interfere with my education." - Mark Twain