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Microsoft's Longtime Windows Boss Terry Myerson To Leave the Company Amid a Huge Executive Reorganization (businessinsider.com)

Terry Myerson, Microsoft's executive vice president of Windows and a long-time leader at Microsoft, is leaving the company, the company said today. The news comes as part of a big reshuffling of the company's executive leadership. From a report: "His strong contributions to Microsoft over 21 years from leading Exchange to leading Windows 10 leave a real legacy. I want to thank Terry for his leadership on my team and across Microsoft," wrote Nadella in an e-mail to employees announcing the changes. As part of the reorganization, Rajesh Jha, the executive VP of Microsoft Office products, will be expanding his responsibilities to encompass Myerson's role when he leaves in "the coming months." Jha will become the leader of a group called "Experiences & Devices," bringing Windows and Office under a single banner. "The purpose of this team is to instill a unifying product ethos across our end-user experiences and devices," writes Nadella. "Computing experiences are evolving to include multiple senses and are no longer bound to one device at a time but increasingly spanning many as we move from home to work and on the go."

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  1. All The Best, Terry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    Thank you for your dedication and hard work.

    1. Re:All The Best, Terry by cayenne8 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Sounds like a move to make all MS leadership Indian as much as anything else....?

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    2. Re:All The Best, Terry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like a move to make all MS leadership Indian as much as anything else....?

      Sounds like a comment to make slashdot xenophobic as much as anything else.

    3. Re:All The Best, Terry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't know about Microsoft but around here when one area gets an Indian manager suddenly all the people reporting to him are Indian and all the former non-Indian people are shuffled off to other departments. Just something I've observed time and time again where I work.

    4. Re:All The Best, Terry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Likely.a strong reason but not the only one

    5. Re:All The Best, Terry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Sounds like a move to make all MS leadership Indian as much as anything else....?

      All of Microsoft will soon be doing the needful.

    6. Re:All The Best, Terry by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't know about Microsoft but around here when one area gets an Indian manager suddenly all the people reporting to him are Indian and all the former non-Indian people are shuffled off to other departments. Just something I've observed time and time again where I work.

      Yep, that's the reason I commented....this is not uncommon to see happen.

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    7. Re:All The Best, Terry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Working so far.

      Microsoft has done an about-face under Nadella and is finding a very profitable niche in business services. They're bigger than google in cloud services and are still the king of desktop productivity.

      Microsoft's biggest problem is Microsoft. For decades they've depended on the classic office-windows pro-windows server triad and their entire profitable business was built around it.

      And it's a boat anchor. It's loaded with upfront costs, staffing costs. Maintenance costs. Real estate costs. Power costs. Hardware depreciation. Inventory. Hell even needing a server room is a pain in the ass. Yes, having an internal enterprise network is the "old" way of doing things, quickly going the way of the mainframe.

      The problem with the above is Microsoft is structured like a bunch of internal competing entities and those centered around the "old way" don't want to let go of their power and marketshare within Microsoft. This schism manifests itself in a number of ways. Microsoft' notoriously awful licensing (Did you know you can literally get a certification in Microsoft licensing? Yes. 6 months of training just so you can figure out how to properly purchase Microsoft software) Products canceled soon after launch.

      Most obviously - Remote desktop. The would is SCREAMING for Microsoft to sell an easy to use private cloud-hosted windows desktop you can remotely access (And remotely administer in a group) Imagine spinning up an office complete with your software stack with a few clicks. Anywhere in the world with internet access and with any device that has a keyboard/mouse that can run an app.

      Microsoft would literally print money. Nothing is holding this back but microsoft, because the 'old' division would be made largely obsolete overnight.

    8. Re:All The Best, Terry by evil_aaronm · · Score: 1

      Yep, saw that at a Siemens plant I worked at. Wondered the same thing when I read Jha was replacing him.

    9. Re:All The Best, Terry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most obviously - Remote desktop. The would is SCREAMING for Microsoft to sell an easy to use private cloud-hosted windows desktop you can remotely access (And remotely administer in a group)

      amazon sells this and it is dicks
      you ever been on an airplane you cant use this on airplane
      also nobody else but me read ur blog post

    10. Re:All The Best, Terry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I guess everyone wants their own people working for them. When White people do it it's called racist (and rightfully so), but when Indians do it no one seems to care.

    11. Re:All The Best, Terry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like you have never worked with indians.

    12. Re:All The Best, Terry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And it's a boat anchor. It's loaded with upfront costs, staffing costs. Maintenance costs. Real estate costs. Power costs. Hardware depreciation. Inventory. Hell even needing a server room is a pain in the ass.

      It's only mildly popular because people are obsessed with cash flow and right now. Still way cheaper in the long run for many vs. going with any of the major hosting providers. That's just a fact.

      If hosting outfits could somehow successfully leverage economies of scale and pass it on such that it were actually cheaper than DYI that would be one thing. The reality is virtually all of the hardware and software systems are universal commodities. There is very little to be gained when you need to actually use a substantial portion of resources and possibility of quite a lot of overhead needing capabilities and features that small operators can get away without.

    13. Re: All The Best, Terry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thatâ(TM)s windows server desktop experience, not windows 10 ,

    14. Re:All The Best, Terry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "And it's a boat anchor" An extremely profitable boat anchor. The revenue generated by their traditional business and personal software stacks has kept the company profitable while they re-align their existing products and services to operate in the online distributed service architectures.

    15. Re:All The Best, Terry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think they’re just trying to make Microsoft leadership look/behave as little as possible like Steve Balmer.

    16. Re:All The Best, Terry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That happened everywhere I've ever worked. My first job out of college was in Seattle in 1986. We hired an India VP of Engineering, and within a year the twenty white programmers besides myself were all fired or driven out. In many places where I worked, it was demoralizing to not be allowed vacation time, but the Indian guys all got 2 or more weeks a year off to go back to India. Eventually that gets to you. I haven't had a full week off as of next month in 25 years.

      One big difference is culture. The vast majority of white guys I worked with weren't married. They had no one else to help them when working 80+ hours a week. Almost all of the Indian guys were married, and their spouses did a great job of supporting them. Bringing in lunch or dinner several times a week is nice.

    17. Re:All The Best, Terry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      when one area gets an Indian manager suddenly all the people reporting to him are Indian and all the former non-Indian people are shuffled off to other departments. Just something I've observed time and time again where I work.

      Interesting. That's pretty much what happened to me at my last job, except everyone quit instead of being moved around (literally the entire IT department quit within 1 year). The mass quitting had less to do with the manager, and more to do with the old manager being fired, and this guy replacing him was final straw with the crummy management of Mega-Corp.

      I later heard everyone he hired as replacements was Indian.

    18. Re:All The Best, Terry by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Plus in Seattle you can only get dial up Internet. Thanks, greenwow.

    19. Re:All The Best, Terry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      >>it was demoralizing to not be allowed vacation time, but the Indian guys all got 2 or more weeks a year off to go back to India

      Yeah that happens here too. You're discouraged from taking long vacations, especially if it's at a critical time, but the Indian guys can take off for almost a month to go back to India. If it's ever questioned there's always some sort of sob story (he needs to go back and take care of a sick relative or he needs to go back and attend to family business). Funny enough, when they come back they're all smiles with lots of pictures of various parties they went to. I guess the sick relative got better immediately and they had nothing else to do the entire trip but party? Maybe that was the important family business they had to attend to?

    20. Re:All The Best, Terry by e_pluribus_funk · · Score: 4, Insightful

      He's not wrong. It happens at a lot of companies when an Indian takes over the top spot.

    21. Re:All The Best, Terry by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Thanks greenwow for your affirmation.

    22. Re:All The Best, Terry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      eh? I don't get it.

    23. Re:All The Best, Terry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like a move to make all MS leadership Indian as much as anything else....?

      I welcome our new Raghead overlords.

    24. Re: All The Best, Terry by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      Land of the free, home of the burned-out?

    25. Re:All The Best, Terry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I have done the needful.

    26. Re:All The Best, Terry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Plus in Seattle you can only get dial up Internet. Thanks, greenwow.

      That is all the more hilarious to me as I sit here out in the absolute boonies with a fiber optic line to my house.

    27. Re:All The Best, Terry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's baffling to me how so many Indians obtain these high level positions. I have worked with many of them (one of the companies I worked with replaced all of their good developers with incompetent, low wage Indian H1Bs) and none of them knew what they were doing. At best they could read a script or copy code from a book.

      I guess shut up, keep your head down and toe the party is all you need to become an executive at a place like Microsoft or Google. No actual skill needed.

    28. Re:All The Best, Terry by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      > I guess shut up, keep your head down and toe the party is all you need to become an executive at a place like Microsoft or Google. No actual skill needed.

      Isn't that either the:

      * Peter Principle aka "managers rise to the level of their incompetence" or
      * Dilbert Principle aka "companies tend to systematically promote their least competent employees to management in order to limit the amount of damage they can do"

      I think it eventually happens to any big company.

    29. Re:All The Best, Terry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "Nothing is holding this back but microsoft,"
      Do you really expect MS to just drop their legacy products and services and move all their resources into a totally product line? They will support their desktop and server products until they are no longer profitable and not a minute sooner. They are fortunate to have such a long standing cash cow because it has enabled them to invest in other technologies and even take loses on the products or services that didn't pan out for one reason or another. And MS is slowly making the pivot into a different line of products and services. They are the number one contributor of open source software over the past 5 years. They have figured out how to incorporate GPL software and services with their traditionally proprietary offerings. MS has always understood that catering towards developers leads to more applications and more applications is what it is all about. People standing around touting the superiority of their particular OS should spend more time building applications for their superior OS. Meanwhile Apple is still using over priced proprietary hardware and software while hoping people will continue to purchase iPhones X, 11, 12, 13,14, 15, etc.. to generate enough profits to hide their poor performance in all the other sectors. Apple started off life using a proprietary approach to building and selling PC products and services while MS started off utilizing the commodity model of both hardware and software offerings. It was the iPod and a bridge loan from Bill Gates that kept Apple a viable company until the iPod basically brought Apple back from the dead.

    30. Re: All The Best, Terry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most Indian managers ONLY hire and promote other Indians. Textbook employment discrimination. Everyone in the industry had seen it - they don't even try to hide it.

      But hey, according to Progressives only white people can be racist. So I guess we're racist for *noticing* that we're being racially discriminated against.

    31. Re: All The Best, Terry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How are the internet speeds in Beijing?

    32. Re: All The Best, Terry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      REMEMBER THE MURDER OF IAN MURDOCH, creator of Debian Linux and leading member of the Free Software community, killed Christmas 2015 by the notoriously corrupt San Francisco police department.

    33. Re:All The Best, Terry by martinfb · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Talk about racism and favoritism!

      And don't y'all go go off dismissing this observation. Let's call it like it is.

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  2. Unifying product ethos by iampiti · · Score: 3

    "The purpose of this team is to instill a unifying product ethos across our end-user experiences and devices,", translation: We'll fuck up the Windows 10 UI even more.

    1. Re:Unifying product ethos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and Office along with it...

    2. Re:Unifying product ethos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it'd be better translated as "we're well aware that Microsoft's corporate culture is used as a study in how not to run a company." And while this might look like two silos getting smashed together, Myerson probably was just a victim of office politics.

    3. Re:Unifying product ethos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I have a hard time seeing that. They fucked office good and hard about a decade back when they introduced that god damned ribbon interface. It's only stubbornness and institutional inertia that allows it to still be on there.

      For mouse users, it increases the distance you have to drag the mouse in order to get options. For those that use hotkeys it makes it far, far harder to locate things to find the hotkey for. It's a really great example of how not to create a working interface.

      The worst thing though is that it caught on with other developers. So, they didn't just ruin their products, by the transitive property, they've now ruined other perfectly serviceable software.

    4. Re:Unifying product ethos by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      Alternative translation:

      We are going back to leveraging our Windows monopoly at the expense of all other initiatives.

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    5. Re: Unifying product ethos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Welcome to capitalism. Where bullshit changes are Sold as Innovation.

      All those Marxist pussies need to shit on something, because of diversity...

    6. Re: Unifying product ethos by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      And yet somehow millions of people manage to use it just fine

    7. Re: Unifying product ethos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your insult makes no sense whatsoever. The only person it really insults is whoever wrote the Markov generator that emitted it.

    8. Re:Unifying product ethos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The ribbon again? Jesus grow the fuck up..
      And the shortcut did not change, dumbass. It is not the ribbons fault that you can't remember shit. Your just getting way too old to do this computing stuff.

  3. Nutella Satay needs to go by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Right out of a cannon, in to a concrete wall.

  4. Wonder what this is truely about by ilsaloving · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Seeing the usual canned non-responses always makes me wonder what the real story is. Is Terry responsible for the idiotic strategy that made Windows 10 the most hated version of windows ever?

    1. Re:Wonder what this is truely about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      After the privacy shit-show Facebook is going through, the spotlight will be shined on all that metadata MS collects

    2. Re:Wonder what this is truely about by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      It might just be time for new people. He was there 21 years so it might just be time for him to go.

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    3. Re:Wonder what this is truely about by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      From my viewpoint, Windows 10 still isn't quite ready in terms of the MS strategy to unify tablet and desktop interfaces. It is better than 8 in this regard. However, the disdain for Windows 10 isn't because people dislike it. Rather they disliked the various methods that MS employed to force Windows 10 onto people.

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    4. Re:Wonder what this is truely about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some people don't need interface changes. This isn't about pulling ones head out of ones ass. This is about consistency so people like my Mother aren't wondering "What happened to Outlook Express? Why is it trying to get me to sign up for something when I just want to attach a photo to my email? Where's the print button?!?"

      Sure, the under the hood stuff is really nice for Windows 10. The UI however needs an overhaul to allow an interface people have been used to for the past decade or so. If I could have out of the box Windows 10 looking and working UI wise as Windows XP did I'd have no complaints. Same goes for Office.

    5. Re:Wonder what this is truely about by Junta · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well, also Windows 8/8.1.

      For Windows 10, the telemetry is unacceptable. Apart from that, it acts ok (I of course prefer other desktop environments).

      The update situation is ugly, however. It's all 'Windows 10', but are you on 1507? 1803? LSTB? CBB? A device that was supported for Windows 10 (1507) might not work with Windows 10 (1803). You may still get updates to Windows 10 1507, but it won't act the same as windows 10 1803 and if you try to reinstall it you might fail because your windows 10 media isn't the same windows 10 as you need.

      This is pretty much a branding failure more than a technical failure, but there are technical implications of pretending things are simpler than they are.

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    6. Re:Wonder what this is truely about by afidel · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This is about having one group responsible for Windows and Office so that as revenue moves from perpetual license to subscription services the Windows division chief doesn't get gutted for falling revenue. Apparently one of the biggest problems at MS is the fiefdoms of various product lines. By making larger groups all report up to one management chain you can stop some of the infighting that has been slowing down progress for a long time. MS senior leadership has seen the writing on the wall and PC sales growth is done for, the future is the next billion users and more mobile and cloud, reorganizing the company to allow that transition to happen more smoothly is a smart forward looking move.

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    7. Re:Wonder what this is truely about by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I'd assume he has done his time for whatever horrendous crime he committed and is being let out on compassionate grounds.

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    8. Re:Wonder what this is truely about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      >However, the disdain for Windows 10 isn't because people dislike it. Rather they disliked the various methods that MS employed to force Windows 10 onto people.

      I Disagree. I dislike the way they've split system settings between two different sets of menus, one very similar to the older Win7 settings and a new set in a new set of windows with new names and that "flat" look. The older, more useful settings are sometimes only accessible through the newer windows, which makes no sense and requires extra clicks to get where I want.

      This wouldn't be so bad if the search system worked, but Win10's Start menu search is garbage. Sometimes it feels like you have to type the full, exact name of what you want when previously the first half a word would bring up the desired option. Sometimes you can type the exact name of a program and Win10 search can't find it.

      Speaking of the Start Menu, why has MS insisted on putting an enormous amount of crap into it? Some of that stuff is removable, but many of the Windows features are locked in there and cannot be removed. In addition to that the insistence on an alphabetised layout with large breaks between sections just takes up unneccesary space, unlike the old system which could arrange them but had no gaps.

      So yes, their forcing Win10 on people is objectionable, but Win10 itself isn't perfect either. And before someone says "get this third party extension which fixes it", that simply reinforces the fact that they broke something which was perfectly fine to the point that there are now third party extensions which return it to the way it was.

    9. Re:Wonder what this is truely about by Luthair · · Score: 1

      I doubt that was even his choices, I imagine he was forced from above into a lot of this and this ousting is likely as a result of him arguing with the direction windows has been going.

      I guess we find out if the direction changes substationally or even more directly goes down this dumpster.

    10. Re:Wonder what this is truely about by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      The update situation is ugly, however. It's all 'Windows 10', but are you on 1507? 1803? LSTB? CBB? A device that was supported for Windows 10 (1507) might not work with Windows 10 (1803)

      You have a gift for understatement. While I can delay updates for my W10 Pro laptop, I have another inexpensive laptop running W10 Home. I use it at morning breakfast. That's the only place I use it. So last week I went to shut it down in preparation for leaving, and it installed an update. It had been downloading updates over a insecure wifi connection! This is as unnaceptable as screwing a horse. Unless you're another horse of course.

      But some how or another, that kind of crap has to stop.

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    11. Re:Wonder what this is truely about by Bite+The+Pillow · · Score: 0

      Fuck off and take your tablet boned with you. The keyboard allows for much faster processing except in Windows 10.

      I believe they thought it wasn't unified enough across desktops and tablets and what Nadella says is basically that.

      If I touch a mouse at work you've failed.

    12. Re:Wonder what this is truely about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > By making larger groups all report up to one management chain you can stop some of the infighting

      The Soviet Empire tried that. The tangled communications between the farmers, the factories, and Moscow destroyed their economy.

    13. Re:Wonder what this is truely about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MS senior leadership has seen the writing on the wall and PC sales growth is done for

      People who have not upgraded hardware in awhile are still your customers. They still use your software. If you treat them with respect and provide them with sufficient new value they just might reciprocate.

      Only a greedy shit with billions of paying customers would look at their product line and conclude the only way to survive is to seek rent and spy on their customers.

      the future is the next billion users and more mobile and cloud,

      The next billion computer users won't be running Microsoft anything. Microsoft made damn sure of that with it's too selfish for own good unsuccessful bid to emulate Apple.

      Smart phone sales growth is also down. So by your own metric (worthless trend lines involving new sales) they should also see the writing on the wall here too?

      20 years ago people were using different words but they were seeking the same shit. They badly wanted a future in which all software was rented out or sold as a service. Nothing substantive has changed. They still want the same things and too many customers still are not stupid enough to go there.

      My own opinion is any strategy which does not put providing value to customers will be the death of Microsoft. It isn't about what they as a company does it's the growing opportunity costs creating vacuums that will be filled by others that they should be deathly afraid of.

    14. Re:Wonder what this is truely about by FilmedInNoir · · Score: 1

      Maybe he got a little rapey with some co-workers.

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    15. Re:Wonder what this is truely about by afidel · · Score: 1

      YOU might not like the cloud/subscription model but apparently enough of MS's customers like the model and their offerings that their revenue and profits have taken off since launching Azure and O365 after having been pretty much flat for a decade.

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    16. Re:Wonder what this is truely about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is as unnaceptable as screwing a horse. Unless you're another horse of course.

      But it's OK to jerk them off and steal their sperm? Humans have a keenly unique sense of what is deemed to be acceptable behavior.

    17. Re:Wonder what this is truely about by MTEK · · Score: 1

      Windows 8 was the worse for me, and the whole desktop/mobile UI convergence bullshit needs to finally come to an end.

    18. Re:Wonder what this is truely about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Win ME and Vista were something which everybody did not like. But people could make a choice and not to install them, so I really believe there were a lot less haters for them. Windows 10 on the other hand was forced into peoples machines, even if they decided not to install it. And that piece of shit keeps evolving and force pushing something bad every single month. Windows 7 was something that one could just forget, but with 10, one needs to actively fix and reverse the settings MS override after every "update".

    19. Re:Wonder what this is truely about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How could you rant about the start menu and not mention it searching windows store for recommendations?

    20. Re:Wonder what this is truely about by jawtheshark · · Score: 1
      Many non-tech people think there is no other option. O365 is the 'new office', like in 2003, Office 2003 was the 'new office'. People outside of slashdot.org don't understand these subtle differences.

      It happens all over the place. Recently, I recommended an iPhone SE to someone with smartphone needs but rather limited ones. The question was then: I never heard of the SE, but the X is the newest one, isn't it? Shouldn't I get that instead. (My reply was: if you want to spend 1000€, go ahead. )

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    21. Re:Wonder what this is truely about by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      This is as unnaceptable as screwing a horse. Unless you're another horse of course.

      But it's OK to jerk them off and steal their sperm? Humans have a keenly unique sense of what is deemed to be acceptable behavior.

      What exactly is your point? This is the most bizzare howaboutism I've ever heard. The closest thing I can pars out of it is that you are standing up for humans screwing horses.

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    22. Re:Wonder what this is truely about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you kidding? Win10 is a shitshow of half complete changes that turned a functional and professional looking Win7 into dysfunctional and ugly monster.

    23. Re:Wonder what this is truely about by iampiti · · Score: 1

      One can only hope but I'm not counting on that.

    24. Re: Wonder what this is truely about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When they handed VS to a pussy, she proceeded to reimplement it in C# and break the most basic things such as goto declaration.

      Vs2008 was excellent compared to this new crap.

    25. Re:Wonder what this is truely about by Streetlight · · Score: 0

      ... MS senior leadership has seen the writing on the wall and PC sales growth is done for, ...

      One of the reasons that PC sales growth has slowed probably involves multiple factors. First, almost everyone (individuals and workers) who wants or needs a PC already has one. If the PC is reasonably new there's really no need to upgrade as it's very reliable and a new one won't be much faster. One improvement that's been realized is the advent of silicon base storage media for PCs which makes boot up almost instantaneous and may be more reliable than drives with spinning disks. With the advent of on prem or offsite cloud data storage, who needs bigger and faster PC data storage, particularly for the workplace. With Windows 10 and free perpetual updates that don't need new hardware, why buy new hardware to upgrade for new OS and application features? This and more means new hardware just isn't needed.

      In addition the advent of all kinds of portable devices such as phones and tablets has shifted the way folks do computing and communicating. Hardware production has clearly shifted to growth in these areas. When everyone has what they need or use that's "good enough" or improvement in reliability and features slows to a crawl for this new hardware paradigm, we may see sales of these kinds of hardware also slow way down.

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    26. Re:Wonder what this is truely about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      > windows 10 media isn't the same windows 10 as you need.

      It is a disaster. I don't even have the highest level of MSDN access, and for Windows 10 there are 99 different ISOs you can download. For Server 2016, there are 11 different ISOs. I've downloaded the wrong one more than once. It is a branding disaster.

    27. Re:Wonder what this is truely about by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      I accidentally left out the word: "only". However, the disdain for Windows 10 isn't only because people dislike it.

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    28. Re:Wonder what this is truely about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What exactly is your point? This is the most bizzare howaboutism I've ever heard. The closest thing I can pars out of it is that you are standing up for humans screwing horses.

      Answered in second of two sentences: "Humans have a keenly unique sense of what is deemed to be acceptable behavior." Impossible to miss unless you have actively tried to do so.

      Ever since John Oliver there has been an over-correction in knee-jerk invocation of "whataboutism" without thinking or understanding.

      The message was not about justifying or attempting to justify screwing horses.

      It was a device to point out subjective, absurd and illogical notions of what is deemed "acceptable" behavior. It was an attack on the foundation of the term "acceptable" itself.

    29. Re:Wonder what this is truely about by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Is Terry responsible for the idiotic strategy that made Windows 10 the most hated version of windows ever?

      You should read a Microsoft Annual report some time. You may notice that consumer's feelings are not mentioned at all. What is meantioned is that Windows revenue was down 16%, and that was driven by a 16% decline in OEM computer sales.

      So they produced a shitshow that spies on all users, harvesting an awesome amount of data with no negative effect on the bottom line what so ever. If this was about what Terry did to Windows then he would be given a medal, bonus and a huge promotion all at once.

    30. Re:Wonder what this is truely about by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      MS senior leadership has seen the writing on the wall and PC sales growth is done for

      You make it sound as if this is visionary. More accurate would be to say MS senior leadership is madly adjusting for year on year falling sales from OEMs.

      The writing isn't on the wall anymore, that was 5 years ago.

    31. Re:Wonder what this is truely about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly this!

      If Microsoft was a super market and I bought a full cart of groceries on Monday, by Thursday they would have decided groceries are "no longer in demand" and close the store Friday before I could return to buy a full cart of groceries again on Monday.

      It's as if they want to bully me into only buying a quarter cart of groceries 4 times a week otherwise they get all snooty and close up shop.

    32. Re:Wonder what this is truely about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Microsoft needs the interface changes. If the product looked the same ( Windows, Office ) people would ( rightly, I think ) wonder what they were spending so much money on.

    33. Re:Wonder what this is truely about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Didn't they announce last month that they are going to revive Windows Phone OS? It's one of their core strategies.

    34. Re:Wonder what this is truely about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The closest thing I can pars out of it is that you are standing up for humans screwing horses.

      The civil rights extremists & the Yakima City Council do the same damn thing!
      https://www.aclu-wa.org/cases/montes-v-city-yakima-0

    35. Re:Wonder what this is truely about by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 2

      To be fair, what I get if I buy a standard Windows PC today will be a worse experience than what I got 6 years ago if I bought a new PC with Windows 7, regardless of any new hardware changes. I would welcome a machine that can cope with bigger and higher-resolution screens, larger and faster disks, a faster CPU with more cores, faster and more reliable networking, and so on. Maybe not everyone needs those things, but I would find all of them useful. But if the price is putting up with an unreliable, untrustworthy OS from a developer who is actively working against me, it's just not worth it.

      The PC market in my office would pick up tomorrow to the tune of several new machines, if I could buy them with an updated version of Windows 7 with support for the new hardware and (real) security fixes.

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    36. Re:Wonder what this is truely about by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      To be fair, what I get if I buy a standard Windows PC today will be a worse experience than what I got 6 years ago if I bought a new PC with Windows 7

      Depends on how you define the experience. If you are talking privacy and all that then yes, very much so. If you're talking administering settings then I agree even more. Fortunately the former is blocked by simple tools, and the latter is something I rarely spend any time doing. Under the hood though Windows 10 has many advances over 7 in speed, security, memory management etc.

      It's a shame they work against the user though, however most people don't consider that in any way part of the "experience" thanks to most people being completely and utterly ignorant of how much the system phones home.

    37. Re:Wonder what this is truely about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes, he is the person responsible for that strategy. (I worked there and made other comments below..)

    38. Re:Wonder what this is truely about by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      Reasonable criticisms, especially compared to, say, Windows 7, but these are changes that Windows 10 inherited from Windows 8(.1).

      Mind you, they're still incredibly annoying. And the way Windows 10 begs me to use Edge instead of whatever browser I happen to be using, and keeps insisting that my life would be so much better if I'd only use Cortana, makes me really really wish that the application for which I have to use Windows ran on, well, anything else.

      But as far as Windows goes, the base OS, what I note is that 10 seems to work well, and that compatibility with older apps has actually improved from Windows 7.

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    39. Re:Wonder what this is truely about by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 1

      Yes, I'm talking primarily about privacy and reliability aspects. If Windows will deploy automatic, opaque updates on its own schedule and will send arbitrary information home to the mothership, then both for me personally and also for my businesses, nothing else matters because we already have two deal-breakers.

      It's all very regrettable. I appreciated a lot of what Microsoft used to make, but sadly the Microsoft of recent years has proven to be a greater risk than any external threat I have yet encountered. As long as that remains the case, we will treat Windows 10 the same as any other malware and keep it off our networks.

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    40. Re:Wonder what this is truely about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should see SAP HANA. They insisted that they didn't need version numbers. So, of course, we got SPS 6, SPS 9, SPS 10. Then, finally they decided that they needed a 2.0. So now we have HANA 1.0 SPS12 and HANA 2.0 SPS whatever.

    41. Re: Wonder what this is truely about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is he a self-described feminist? All feminists are super rapey.

    42. Re:Wonder what this is truely about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Put down that kool-aid bottle, son. We need to talk.

    43. Re:Wonder what this is truely about by theCoder · · Score: 1

      What kind of Internet connection would you prefer to have it use to download updates? You may trust your local network, but that network's connections to the wider Internet should not be inherently trustworthy. Even if you more or less trust your ISP, do you really know all the networks that packets traverse on their way to the server? This is why things like https and package signing were invented. As long as the update was properly signed (in this case by Microsoft, but most Linux distributions do the same thing for their packages) and the signature is verified before applying (and this is really important), then it doesn't matter what network it was used to download it.

      At least as far as security is concerned. If it downloaded a large amount of data through a cell phone hotspot causing a large bill, that could certainly be a problem!

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    44. Re:Wonder what this is truely about by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      What kind of Internet connection would you prefer to have it use to download updates? You may trust your local network, but that network's connections to the wider Internet should not be inherently trustworthy. Even if you more or less trust your ISP, do you really know all the networks that packets traverse on their way to the server?

      This is like saying that since I cannot personally verify all of the paths any internet connection might take, nothing is trustworthy.

      While that isn't incorrect, it is a rabbit hole that ends up with the person never using a computer again.

      At least at home, I have a whole lot of protection. At that wifi spot I go to every morning? Only what is on my computer.

      This is why things like https and package signing were invented. As long as the update was properly signed (in this case by Microsoft, but most Linux distributions do the same thing for their packages) and the signature is verified before applying (and this is really important), then it doesn't matter what network it was used to download it.

      At least as far as security is concerned. If it downloaded a large amount of data through a cell phone hotspot causing a large bill, that could certainly be a problem!

      The mere existence of turning off downloading of updates over metered connection switch on the computer is a symptom of the problem.

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    45. Re:Wonder what this is truely about by AmericaRunsOnDunkin · · Score: 1

      the future is the next billion users and more mobile and cloud, reorganizing the company to allow that transition to happen more smoothly is a smart forward looking move.

      Correction: 10 years ago that would have been a smart, forward looking move. Now it's just yielding to the plainly obvious.

      You don't get credit for saying the tide is coming in when you wait until your ankles are wet.

    46. Re:Wonder what this is truely about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It could be argued, that in addition to the planned economy and endemic corruption, it was also a succession of disasters:

      * the Soviet War in Afghanistan (started in 1978/1979);

      * then the Tchernobyl disaster of 1986 and the entire loss of Soviet 600,000 reserve troops, who were sent to repair and fix the consequences disaster (most of them did not die right away, but became of little use after having suffered radiation);

      * then the 1988 Armenian earthquake (Armenia was part of the Soviet Union back then);

      * and then the Soviet Union's loss of the Afghan War in 1989.

      There were also shortages. Fancy things were hard to get anyway, while the very basic (and low-quality) food products somehow persisted in the pipeline. It was the multiple categories of reasonably basic things that were readily available in any Western store or supermarket, but which were always in very low supply and in a constantly high demand in the Soviet Union. There were the rich (including the nomenklatura) and the poor, and differences between them were often like night and day. A kid having chewing gum at school was the coolest kid in the entire neighborhood; they'd chew that one piece of chewing gum on days on end, until it disintegrated into small pieces.

      Very few people had it really good there, and so very few people want the return of the Soviet Union and its infamous shortages of basic items. A terrible example of this is the current Venezuela: it was supposed to be a very wealthy country with all its oil income, but its socialist economy (not to be conflated with the U.S. "socialism" of Bernie Sanders, that is actually a social democracy in terms of policy) takes all produce away from farmers, severely demotivating the Venezuelan farmers and workers from making anything. During the oil boom years, all produce and even the basics were purchased from abroad, demotivating local production even further.

    47. Re:Wonder what this is truely about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      20 years ago people were using different words but they were seeking the same shit. They badly wanted a future in which all software was rented out or sold as a service. Nothing substantive has changed.

      A poor state of affairs, when you're calling executives at Microsoft 'people', and when you're calling users and the real people who use Microsoft products, 'customers'. Way to go dehumanising people.

  5. Another Microsoft reorganization by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

    It must be Thursday.

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  6. Whoa! Let me get my reorg boots. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    http://dilbert.com/strip/1995-10-30

    1. Re:Whoa! Let me get my reorg boots. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      windows is too much of a product. not enough of a service.

      best jettison it and bastardize it into a service.

    2. Re:Whoa! Let me get my reorg boots. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whoa does this ring true. Funnily enough we just got done with a major reorg of my department which we all strongly suspect was caused by this very reason.

  7. Was A Technical Leader by EndlessNameless · · Score: 2

    Myerson was a solid dev leader. He was "acquired" when Microsoft bought his analytics startup. Now he is being replaced by an established app/cloud guy. I do not see this as a positive indication, but it is consistent with Nadella's overall direction for the company.

    I have no idea what it was like to work with him personally, so maybe it's something like that. But if decision reflects the corporate direction, then the telemetry/data issues with Windows 10 will probably grow.

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    1. Re:Was A Technical Leader by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      I do not see this as a positive indication

      Indication of what? Given the insane amount of money Microsoft currently makes from cloud services it really only makes sense.

    2. Re:Was A Technical Leader by EndlessNameless · · Score: 1

      Indication of what? Given the insane amount of money Microsoft currently makes from cloud services it really only makes sense.

      I am interested in secure operating systems that respect user privacy and function properly offline. The integration of cloud services and telemetry are contrary to this desire, and, therefore, this decision is not a positive indicator of their future decisions for me.

      Obviously the company is going to do whatever they believe will make money. That doesn't mean it's in the users' best interests.

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  8. Can the new one not spy on is, add unwanted softwr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It would be nice to have someone lead the development of Windows 10 / Microsoft to NOT be a dis-trustful, anxiety provoking company serving platform. We PAY for the O/S and get screwed.

    The amount of troubles, horrible GUI design, being able to do LESS than I could before, forced spying - Fuck you we're taking your usage and other data whether you like it or not, The HORRIBLE Office Need a freaking Microsoft account bullshit and that's not even all of it.

    Microsoft is now a distrust-ful, scary, data-perv data-thieving company that doesn't care about the design of its products nor the users that use them.

    Microsoft says fuck you this is how WE want YOUR computer to operate to each user as they install unwanted software on it. they called this "user experiences".

    If they cared about their users, there would be a separate version that gives users full control and has NO telemetry even in the software. Office could be activated with a key and not force you to give up your identity tying you to a Microsoft account that they can turn off any time (Which happened after we bought office 2016 so they held our paid-for product hostage.)

  9. leading Windows 10 leave a real legacy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A real legacy of spying on you for the NSA

  10. It's only shuffling a deck full of jokers by jd · · Score: 1

    The only way Microsoft could reorganize properly is if they split vertically. The only way they could improve is by a total rewrite using decent coding standards and published APIs. None of which is likely under any administration.

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  11. Somewhere, Ballmer is throwing a chair by david.emery · · Score: 1

    Over yet another move away from "Windows Uber Alles"...

  12. Re: Sure thing Stallman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Facebook is a Chink company from the spy who married the CEO to most of the money in the IPO. Microsoft for all of its follies is still part of the Allies.

    The Cheeto would have to be a Russian agent for that to happen..

  13. I smell BS by mario6915 · · Score: 0

    You are so wonderful. A sage, a legend, a god amongst mere mortals. And now that I'm done suck your balls, you're fired -- get the fuck out! WHAT!??!?!?! Yeah I bet you fired him because he's so fucking great. Do these fuckers actually believe in anyone in the industry buys this bullshit?

  14. Re: Hey-ohhh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    +1, read it as Johnny Carson

  15. Good riddance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good, Windows 10 sucks anyway

  16. Re: Sure thing Stallman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah. Handing American knowledge to Indians. Thats patriotic.

    At least FB is a CIA front. They get the piss because some Marxists hallucinate FB aided Trump. A pseudo enragement.

  17. Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella is NOT competent, IMO. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 2

    "As part of the reorganization, Rajesh Jha, the executive VP of Microsoft Office products, will be expanding his responsibilities to encompass Myerson's role..."

    Apparently Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella wants people who are as lacking in social, managerial, and technical ability as he is. Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella is NOT competent. The entire board of directors and top management of Microsoft should be replaced, in my opinion.

    One area of extreme incompetence: Somehow, shockingly, managers at Microsoft decided that it is okay to spy on Windows OS computer users in the same way that Google spies on cell phone users using the Android operating system. (One of the many stories about Google spying: Google collects Android users' locations even when location services are disabled.)

    Microsoft and Windows cannot be trusted. Windows 10 is possibly the worst spyware ever made.

    Desktop computers users often have a HUGE need for COMPLETE privacy. Microsoft has damaged its already very poor reputation.

    One of the MANY articles about Microsoft's EXTREME ABUSE: 7 ways Windows 10 pushes ads at you... (You may be able to stop the ads until Microsoft finds other ways to control your computers.) The effect: Microsoft wants companies to pay for Microsoft distracting employees with ads.

  18. Re:Can the new one not spy on is, add unwanted sof by iampiti · · Score: 1

    Wholeheartedly agree. I'd even see with good eyes the existence of a free Windows version paid for by spying users (a la Google/Facebook) and a nice one paid for with money like it used to be in the old days. If it had none of the bad things they added in 10 and the 7 UI I'd pay for it in a heartbeat

  19. Re: Can the new one not spy on is, add unwanted so by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stop being a bitch. Be a man and run Linux or OpenBSD instead.

    That's the only message Nutella understands.

  20. they dont need OS designers now thats why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    windows is just a service to spy on end users thats it ...and its not worth it anymore , everyone i speak to goes back to windows 7 eventually

  21. Yay! by Maury+Markowitz · · Score: 1

    Great, now we'll get *yet another* GUI API that is *really* universal, this time we mean it!

    1. Re:Yay! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bet they're bringing Silverlight back! Or wait for it, Windows Mobile.

  22. Re:Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella is NOT competent, I by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Our main investor is the former product manager for DOS and Windows and was PC Mag's man of the year (IIRC) in 1995, and he said Satya was picked because they wanted an Indian. I guess he was the best choice out of the available people.

  23. Re:Hindu-chimp takeover in progress... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gotta say, we should start physically kicking the shit out of these chimp fucks. They are a bunch of terrorists anyways trying to screw up our country so we can be a bunch of inbred street shitters too. Why not just knock their teeth out with a baseball bat and be done with it?

  24. Wait, what? by roc97007 · · Score: 1

    So, Windows 10 is the least odious from a usability standpoint (leaving privacy aside for a moment) of the last four releases [1], and they ax the Windows boss? It's almost like Microsoft wants their users to suffer.

    [1] I'm counting 8.1 as a major release, as it was marketed as such, even though it changed the UI in only the most trivial fashion.

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  25. terrymy=douchebag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Windows Market share in 2013 = 91%
    Windows Market Share in 2018 = 82%
    Windows Phone Market share in 2009 = 10%
    Windows Phone Market share in 2018 = what's this Windows Phone you talk of?

    He did a great job shrinking market share while the overall market shrinks and killing a product (phone) he ran for 10 years

    I worked there, in Windows, he's a douchebag of the highest order with zero technical vision.

    Weird that no one has brought up the story that he apparently got his assistant pregnant...

  26. Re:Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella is NOT competent, I by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually, Satya is very competent. So are a bunch of the other leaders there - you really don't know what you are talking about.

    The things you complain about occurred within TerryMys group on his watch (windows10 is spyware, ads, inability push updates, the terrible store) were intentionally done and reviewed by him and would have been done without office or server/azure.people being informed. I was there, in the Studio B Theater and i know a load of the dev leaders didn't like the ideas being put up especially by the people who wanted ads everywhere.

  27. The CEO is supposed to coordinate. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1

    The CEO is supposed to coordinate everything done by all groups in the company. That isn't happening.

    Microsoft has suffered a HUGE LOSS OF RESPECT because of making Windows 10 into spyware.

    One of the many, many articles: 17 Windows 10 problems - and how to fix them (Dec. 1, 2017). There have been MANY terrible problems since then. One example: Windows 10 bug: Microsoft fixes issue that broke USB, built-in cameras, keyboards (Mar. 6, 2018)

    Do you see any competence in that?

  28. Racist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Interesting how Nadella kept Rajesh but canned the white guy

  29. The needful people need to be kicked out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Every high-tech company (and I have seen a lot, in my 4 decades in the industry) which hired one Indian eventually ended up being taken over by Indians.

    They are like a plague.

    Google and Microsoft will eventually speak Hindi. Just wait.

    1. Re:The needful people need to be kicked out by spongman · · Score: 1

      more people speak Hindi than speak English.

    2. Re:The needful people need to be kicked out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      more people speak Hindi than speak English.

      In the U.S.?

  30. Re:Can the new one not spy on is, add unwanted sof by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    When I got my current laptop, I opened up Minesweeper, and immediately saw that I could purchase a version without ads. That was a shock. I think my Minesweeper days may be over.

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  31. Re: Sure thing Stallman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Imagine someone's using a knife not for cutting sausage, but to go to a hot and steamy shower room occupied by an run-off blonde woman in a motel somewhere far out in the boonies. The knife may say it's innocent, but someone made it too sharp, on both edges, and then there were the cold violin staccatos accompanying the shrieks of terror and splatters of blood washed off the shower wall and into the drain.

    Once the investigation is concluded, that knife will be taken in as evidence, and probably never used again for cutting sausages, which it was meant to do in the first place. The motel will probably be closed, or sold off to a more responsible proprietor. And the castle on the hill -- a real beacon, I say -- went to some enterprising cartoon CEO for his new theme park. I hear there were lots of mice. (To rid the building of rodents, a fat cat and a vermin exterminator with a large can of pesticide were sent into the castle, but no-one heard back of them. Of course, the groundwater got heavily contaminated, but that's a whole 'nother story.)

    (Yes, I was referencing Psycho and MouseHunt.)

    In the real world, Russia (Putin) is the Psycho (its mum the Soviet Union), Facebook is the knife, and Cambridge Analytica, illegal as it is, is the other sharp side of the blade.

    This time, the good guys really are the FBI and other three-letter agencies of the U.S. and the allies at Five Eyes, in NATO, and the EU. Nevermind Clapper's 'least untruthful things' said to Senator Feinstein. This is the macro level of law enforcement.

    The micro level is the Sacramento police that murdered Stephon Clark.

  32. Companies ruined or almost ruined by Indians by NewYork · · Score: 1

    Companies ruined or almost ruined by Indians

    Adaptec - Indian CEO Subramanian Sundaresh fired.
    AIG (signed outsourcing deal in 2007 in Europe with Accenture Indian frauds, collapsed in 2009)
    AirBus (Qantas plane plunged 650 feet injuring passengers when its computer system written by India disengaged the auto-pilot).
    Apple - R&D CLOSED in India in 2006.
    Apple - Foreign guest worker "Helen" Hung Ma caused the disastrous MobileMe product rollout.
    Australia's National Australia Bank (Outsourced jobs to India in 2007, nationwide ATM and account failure in late 2010).
    Bell Labs (Arun Netravalli took over, closed, turned into a shopping mall)
    Boeing Dreamliner ES software (written by HCL, banned by FAA)
    Bristol-Myers-Squibb (Trade Secrets and documents stolen in U.S. by Indian national guest worker)
    Caymas - Startup run by Indian CEO, French director of dev, Chinese tech lead. Closed after 5 years of sucking VC out of America.
    ComAir crew system run by 100% Indian IT workers caused the 12/25/05 U.S. airport shutdown when they used a short int instead of a long int
    Dell - call center (closed in India because Premji's conmen don't even know how to use telephones, let alone computers)
    Delta call centers (closed in India because Premji's conmen don't even know how to use telephones, let alone computers)
    Fannie Mae- Hired large numbers of Indians, had to be bailed out. Indian logic bomb creator found guilty.
    GM - Was booming in 2006, signed $300 million outsourcing deal with Wipro that same year, went bankrupt 3 years later
    HSBC ATMs (software taken over by Indians, failed in 2006)
    Intel Whitefield processor project (cancelled, Indian staff canned)
    Lehman (Spectramind software bought by Wipro, ruined, trashed by Indian programmers)
    Microsoft - Employs over 35,000 H-1Bs. Stock used to be $100. Today it's lucky to be over $25. Not to mention that Vista thing.
    Microsoft - Lian Yang, Microsoft-Contracted Engineer, Arrested in Smuggling Plot After Another FBI Sting in Portland in 2010
    MIT Media Lab Asia (canceled)
    PeopleSoft (Taken over by Indians in 2000, collapsed).
    Qantas - See AirBus above
    Quark (Alukah Kamar CEO, fired, lost 60% of its customers to Adobe because Indian-written QuarkExpress 6 was a failure)
    Rolls Royce (Sent aircraft engine work to India in 2006, engines delayed for Boeing 787, and failed on at least 2 Quantas planes in 2010, cost Rolls $500m).
    Skype ( Yarlagadda fired)
    State of Indiana $867 billion FAILED IBM project, IBM being sued
    State of Texas failed IBM project.
    Sun Micro (Taken over by Indian and Chinese workers in 2001, collapsed, has to be sold off to Oracle).
    United - call center (closed in India because Premji's conmen don't even know how to use telephones, let alone computers)
    Virgin Atlantic (software written in India caused cloud IT failure)
    Visium Asset Management - Sanjay Valvani Insider trading
    World Bank (Indian fraudsters BANNED for 3 years because they stole data).