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Intel Files Patent For Energy-Efficient Bitcoin Mining Hardware (crn.com)

Intel is exploring the creation of specialty hardware for mining the popular cryptocurrency Bitcoin, according to a U.S. patent application released Thursday. From a report: The patent, filed on Sept. 23, 2016, describes a Bitcoin mining hardware accelerator that may include a processor core with a hardware accelerator coupled with it. Bitcoin mining is the process of using powerful computer processors to record Bitcoin transactions on a public ledger, which is done by attempting to solve cryptographic puzzles. If the miner becomes the first to solve the puzzle and record the next transaction, it is rewarded with newly released Bitcoin. The high energy and equipment costs associated with mining have brought into question whether the activity can be profitable, especially as the price of Bitcoin has nose-dived in the past few months, as noted by Forbes. But that hasn't stopped people from hoarding equipment -- one report from Coherent Market Insights pegged the cryptocurrency mining market at $610 million in 2016 and expects it to grow to $38 billion by 2025. The current issues faced by miners also has propelled companies and individuals to find new technologies and methods for making mining more efficient.

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  1. Another broad patent of the obvious... by kbonin · · Score: 3, Informative

    Patent claims an SOC with a hash engine that includes a message scheduler, which is what anyone skilled in the art would come up with when asked to design a mining SOC.

    appft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.html&r=1&p=1&f=G&l=50&d=PG01&S1=20180089642.PGNR.&OS=dn/20180089642&RS=DN/20180089642

    1. Re:Another broad patent of the obvious... by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      which is what anyone skilled in the art would come up with when asked to design a mining SOC

      Yeah, here's the researcher. He looks like a legit chip guy. Probably some lawyers went looking for Bitcoin patents when the fiat value started to rise so this happened.

      That said, nobody is going to be making SoC miners as ASIC miners are always going to be more profitable. Probably Intel could improve the power efficiency of Bitmain's ASIC chips, but patent-locked SoC chips that can do SHA256 aren't really going to cause people to worry. They may be useful for testing work on new blockchains with low difficulty, but that's dubious and extremely niche.

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    2. Re:Another broad patent of the obvious... by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      It's first to file, not first to invent. Apparently prior art doesn't come in play

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    3. Re:Another broad patent of the obvious... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But, what are the most precise claims? 1-X is just setup. X+1 thru N is what's valuable and what I'm not supposed to read myself.

    4. Re:Another broad patent of the obvious... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It may include a SoC and it may not. It could also include a box of cereal.

    5. Re:Another broad patent of the obvious... by Lonewolf666 · · Score: 1

      Prior art is supposed to come in play if it was published before the filing date.

      Of course, a sufficiently thorough search by the patent office is far from guaranteed. And probably only possible if the prior art is published on the net and find-able with a search engine.

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  2. failing to understand the problem by c6gunner · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The miners are competing. If you make the hardware cheaper and more energy efficient, they'll just buy more of it.

    Good businnes for Intel; does nothing to lower energy or other resource usage.

    1. Re:failing to understand the problem by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      Good businnes for Intel; does nothing to lower energy or other resource usage.

      Intel: "With our rig, you can waste more energy faster!"

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    2. Re:failing to understand the problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is also a tradeoff between capital and operating costs. The balance might move to rigs that cost more but consume less electricity. This would be good for Intel and good for resource usage too. I am not saying this is the case here but there is potentially more to it than mine faster and consume more power.

    3. Re:failing to understand the problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But if this gets the miners to stop buying graphics cards, I'm all for it.

    4. Re:failing to understand the problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think you get how this works. Bitcoin is already past being GPU-mineable. Graphics cards supply are running low because of other crypto currencies that are still GPU mineable.

  3. Will it make any difference? by quantaman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Mining cryptocurrency isn't like mining gold, double the number of gold miners in the world and you double* the amount of gold, but if you double the number of crypto miners the amount of cryptocurrency is exactly the same.

    If you make bitcoin mining twice as energy efficient, people will buy twice as many** mining rigs, and the total energy usage will be about the same.

    * Not really double, but you get the point.
    ** Again not quite, equipment cost factors into it.

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    1. Re:Will it make any difference? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...if you double the number of crypto miners the amount of cryptocurrency is exactly the same.

      Huh? Don't the miners literally CREATE the currency?

    2. Re:Will it make any difference? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but Bitcoin is designed to have a limit on how many can be created. As more miners are added and the hash rates increase the difficulty also increases to match, so that the rate of created bitcoins stays as designed.

    3. Re:Will it make any difference? by ctilsie242 · · Score: 3, Informative

      There are only a certain amount of coins that are coming out per unit time. If fewer people are mining, coins become less difficult to mine. If more people are mining at the same time, the difficulty goes up.

      One may be better off mining another cryptocurrency and trading for BTC if you absolute just have to have that currency. Other currencies give more bang for buck and have other advantages.

      Ultimately, a Bitcoin 2.0 currency is going to show up. Bitcoin has a number of shortcomings, especially how expensive transactions are, coupled with the need to go through 160 gigs of blockchain to check if you are not double-spent (of course, you can trust some exchange... but we know how reliable exchanges can be.) It is only a matter of time before another currency becomes the de facto flagbearer.

    4. Re:Will it make any difference? by nateman1352 · · Score: 1

      In Economics, this problem is often referred to as the tragedy of the commons. The fact that only a fixed amount of bitcoin is released regardless of the amount of work done creates this problem by design. It is one of the fundamental problems with the design of cryptocurrencies.

  4. First you increase the hardware by Sla$hPot · · Score: 1

    Then you increase the diffuculty. And so on and so forth.

  5. In a gold rush, sell shovels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But: The "puzzle" for mining Bitcoin involves choosing a value so that a SHA256 has has at least a given number of leading zeros, so a Bitcoin miner must calculate SHA256 as quickly and efficiently as possible. I don't see how a patent on dedicated SHA256 hardware should be allowed. The algorithm is designed to be implemented efficiently in hardware.

  6. Bubble Definition: Behavior w/o economic benefit by JoeyRox · · Score: 0

    The best definition of a bubble is when a large group of a population engages in profit-seeking behavior that has no net economic benefit. Tulip craze, flooz, housing bubble, and now cryptocurrency.

  7. But Bitcoin has an economic benefit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Owning BTC allows you to instruct a decentralized, global network of computers to record certain logistical information.

    Money is a logistical technology, and Bitcoin is fast becoming the most advanced form of money (if not yet the most useful).

    Also, the housing bubble occurred because Fed policy and Congressional imposition tricked builders and investors into thinking that the world needed more houses; they were tricked by the government into thinking that they were engaged in economically beneficial activity.

    In contrast, Bitcoin is completely voluntary.

  8. Great! Make the cost of mining so low by mark_reh · · Score: 0

    that the price of a BC starts approaching its true value, namely, zero.

  9. Please if only... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...to bring GPU prices back down... YESH!

    1. Re:Please if only... by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      Bitmain, the dominant maker of bitcoin mining ASICs was recently reported by analysts to have completed a prototype for Etherium mining. It's what took a good chunk off Nvidia and AMD stock value a few days ago.

      Tentative release date was Q2 2018. Give it a few months after that to proliferate and increased hash rate of the network will render GPU mining a waste of time and energy.

  10. I suppose this helps by rsilvergun · · Score: 0

    but this is an awful lot of effort and electricity being put into what is essentially a vehicle for money laundering. I don't even see this helping blockchaining, since isn't mining separate from blockchain tech?

    Yeah, I know that's not popular to say, I can't see crypto currencies replacing credit cards much less cash. They're too slow, and by design get slower. There are ways to fix that but their difficult and expensive. As soon as you start implementing them you have to the same problem CCs have (high fees). And that's before we get into how CCs can be used to pay off larger purchases over time (or, sadly, but borrow money when you can't make ends meet).

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    1. Re:I suppose this helps by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      but this is an awful lot of effort and electricity being put into what is essentially a vehicle for money laundering. I don't even see this helping blockchaining, since isn't mining separate from blockchain tech?

      Yeah, I know that's not popular to say,

      Dude, you seriously don't understand anything about blockchain technology. That's why your opinions are unpopular.

      Proof-of-work mining is what solves the Byzantine Consensus Problem and all the work on Bitcoin Cash 0-conf solves your other problems for half a cent per transaction.

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  11. In every gold rush... by mccrew · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In every gold rush, the ones who are guaranteed to make any money are those who sell the picks and shovels. Looks like that's Intel's strategy.

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    1. Re:In every gold rush... by PPH · · Score: 1

      Don't forget the blackjack and hookers.

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    2. Re:In every gold rush... by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      The 'California Gold Rush' occurred immediately after President Polk won the war against Mexico that caused them to cede the west coast to the United States.

      We needed Americans out there immediately, pronto. The gold rush was a way to transfer a lot of young ambitious people onto the new territory.

  12. You could just buy a whole bunch of Electricity by dryriver · · Score: 1

    and then sell it to some country that wants to buy it. That country could give you a digital certificate in return, and you'd roughly have something like Bitcoin. Except of course that the electricity would probably be used for something useful that, too, aids in the creation of wealth. Precisely what does cryptocurrency do with the electricity? It just burns it on solving meaningless cryptopuzzles.

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    1. Re:You could just buy a whole bunch of Electricity by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      They should use the energy to build something useful, like laptops with two seperate systems onboard. That way, if one system gets hacked, the other one stays safe.

    2. Re:You could just buy a whole bunch of Electricity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It just burns it on solving meaningless cryptopuzzles.

      Instead of doing something constructive like playing WoW.

  13. Cryptocurrency: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because computers love playing Numberwang!

  14. Re:hahaha msmash you dumb ignorant.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    nod, I know for a fact she is a dumb bitch..
    Beau,
    your supposed to stop at the edge of the Earhole, otherwise you'll scramble her fucking brains like an egg..
    quit playing with your DORK

  15. I'm still waiting for the self powerd QPU model by hAckz0r · · Score: 1

    I'm still holding out for the Quantum Processing Unit (QPU) model, with the integrated solar panel, charge controller, and a Stirling engine to turn some of that hash engine wasted heat back into even more inefficiently waste-able electricity. What fun is it if I can't even waste the same electricity more than once? With the Quantum Processor your electric bill can be in a superposition of both wasted and not wasted all at the same time. That's a 50% savings! Right?

    In the mean time I'll get my latest QPU with NanoTech Enabled Maxwell's Daemon Quantum Spin ThermoElectric Generator patented , but that's taking a little longer to get it through the Patent Office than I had hoped. Before you know it QPU-NTE-MD-QS-TEG will be a standard household appliance, and everyone will talking about it. Take that Intel!

    My job is done here. Now where did I part that flying car?

  16. Bitcoin is a self uncorrecting system by Khashishi · · Score: 1

    The more you try to fix it, the more broken it will be.

  17. We already have Bitcoin 2.0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's called our current monetary system. You get paid in electronic dollars, and you buy things in electronic dollars. Many companies keep track of the ledger. It even has governmental backing and security. And it just works.

    All these new crypto currencies, everyone in the end truly wants cold hard American greenbacks. It's just some big greater fool game.

  18. Intel trying to corner the market by phazmatis · · Score: 1

    I'm not surprised by this.

    Intel owns FPGA maker Altera. FPGAs are essentially reconfigurable ASICs.

    Newer currencies like Monero are trying to stop ASIC mining by changing their algorithm every 6 months or so.

    FPGAs can get around this, since you can just reprogram them, but reprogramming them isn't simple.

    That's where the embedded CPU comes in. The embedded CPU can go online, look up the new algorithm, and reprogram the FPGA automatically.

    Intel wants to corner that market.

  19. Won't last long by smooth+wombat · · Score: 1

    The con artist will have some monolithic government agency poke its nose into private industry and demand they stop its energy efficient operations.

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  20. Care to elaborate by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    for one who clearly knows so little? I don't understand the benefit to proof of mining. As far as I know it's just there to add artificial scarcity to the system in order to control the crypto-currency equivalent of inflation. Are these calculations being used to solve some other math problem (like Folding at Home does or the SETI stuff)?

    You allude to Bitcoin Cash 0-conf solving my other problems. I think you mean transaction delays and fees. As far as I can tell it still means going through a processor, who is going to charge fees that are probably equivalent to a debit network. If I'm wrong can you explain it to me in layman's terms? What little I found on google seemed to be complex Proof of Concept stuff, not anything practical.

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    1. Re:Care to elaborate by allaunjsilverfox2 · · Score: 1

      for one who clearly knows so little? I don't understand the benefit to proof of mining. As far as I know it's just there to add artificial scarcity to the system in order to control the crypto-currency equivalent of inflation. Are these calculations being used to solve some other math problem (like Folding at Home does or the SETI stuff)? .

      There is a PoS coin that solves that issue. Gridcoin for example.

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  21. Cryptocurrency for habitable planets. by wolfheart111 · · Score: 1

    How about that. Is there not a way to make this mining actually do somthing other than generate useless numbers. How about coordinates for potential habitable planets, used as a cryptocurrency. This would actually have some benefit with the resources that are used. I always hoped someone would put a large number of satellites up. and not only use them as an internet gateway but for netizens to be able to peer into the star with them and search for planets themselves. A number of internet satellites with a mini hubble telescope on each one. Now that would be sweet. :)

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  22. please..please..please..please.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    be faster and more energy efficient and cheaper than video cards. so the pc gaming market can get back to normal.

  23. Too late? by manu0601 · · Score: 1

    Given that bitcoin mining is designed to get harder and harder, the only relevant question is: is it too late or not for this kind of device to be profitable?

  24. Crytoscams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If so-called cryptocurrencies are really good innovation, why they attract so many criminals/criminal activity?
    Could it really be because, all cryptocurrencies themselves are scams, and that is why they attract all kinds of criminals/criminal activity?

    If so-called cryptocurrencies are really currency, why no company/store can use Bitcoin as currency anymore?
    Because the price of Bitcoin proved to be extremely unstable to use as a currency?
    Would the result be different, if Bitcoin replaced by any other "cryptocurrency"?
    Aren't all work the same way?

    Or, they are not actually virtual currency but virtual investment?
    But, if they are actually investment, why we need/want them?
    What would happen to world economy, if people invested in virtual investments, instead of real investments?

    Or, all so-called cryptocurrencies are actually just a modified Ponzi Schemes?
    (Price of cryptocurrencies would keep increasing in the long term (by their design), so it is equivalent of paying variable interest to all long term investors.)

    As more and more people invest in cryptocurrencies, it will become harder and harder to ban their trading everywhere!
    All cryptocurrencies need to be banned globally before it is too late!

  25. Xeon+Altera FPGA in a single SoC? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Weren't Intel supposed to release Xeons with embedded Altera FPGA's right around now?