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Schools Are Giving Up on Smartphone Bans (gizmodo.com)

Bans on phones in schools are increasingly becoming a thing of the past, new research shows. From a report: A survey from the National Center for Education Statistics exploring crime and safety at schools indicates that there is a trend toward relaxing student smartphone bans. The survey reports that the percentage of public schools that banned cell phones and other devices that can send text messages dropped from nearly 91 percent in 2009 through 2010 to nearly 66 percent in 2015 through 2016.

This drop did not coincide, however, with more lenient rules around social media. In 2009 and 2010, about 93 percent of public schools limited student access to social networking sites from school computers, compared to 89 percent from 2015 through 2016. That's likely because these bans aren't lifted in response to student demands to use their electronics during school hours -- they are bending to the pressure of parents who want to be able to reach their kids.

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  1. Next up, vape bans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hear the kids call it "juuling".

    1. Re:Next up, vape bans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Condom snorting is the thing now, gramps.

    2. Re:Next up, vape bans by cayenne8 · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I am SOOOOooooo glad I grew up in the days before cell phones, cameras everywhere and social media.

      We got to actually grow up and enjoy things as a kid, and to learn more quickly (I think) about independence and self sufficiency.

      And at the very least....we weren't tracked everywhere, and could get into a bit more mischief and the world didn't end for any of us.

      I've recently visiting with friends I've known since I was about 11yrs old, and we were talking old times, our exploits (we still remember some), and decided that some of the shit we pulled back in the day, would have put us on a terrorist watch list today?!?!

      Hell, the way our parents let us alone in the neighborhood to run around "unsupervised" would today likely have had us taken by social services and put into freakin' foster care.

      I don't get it, but man, I'm sure glad I grew up when I did. I was nice to NOT be in touch, to have an excuse to NOT be reachable by parents, etc.

      And most of all....no one generally had a damned camera around to get pictures of you, and publish them where you might not only get into trouble right then....but also to maybe haunt you later in life.

      I'm glad I've grown up to see the rise of the internet and lots of tech, but man...I feel for the kids today as that they have lost something....

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    3. Re:Next up, vape bans by Miser · · Score: 1

      Seconded. I don't have mod points at the moment so I'm replying.

      I grew up in the late 80's early 90's. Some of the computer related things I did would put me in Gitmo or federal-pound-me-in-the...... (you know the rest).

      Things like finding open routers on X.25 networks (so I could check the mail when I couldn't afford Internet access, and there were no BBS's/public access Unix spots within local dialing distance in my small town. .... but the local AOL number was Sprintnet/Telenet ... so ....

      Figuring out ways to break out of the local library's online catalog dialup so we could access systems local to that system (out of town). OMG you hacker! No, that's just software limitations/timing issues where we could break out of a dialing sequence and dial any local number we wanted. .... and I won't go into the home made potato guns we built. ;) Very fun times. Where's my time machine ? I'd love to go back and relive those moments.

    4. Re:Next up, vape bans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Back when I was in school, you could bring your rifle during hunting season as long as you left it in your car. And there was a smoking area for students.

      This was only 25 years ago.

      We also knew what to do with condoms. Kids these days seem to think they're for snorting up your nose.

    5. Re:Next up, vape bans by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      "some of the shit we pulled back in the day, would have put us on a terrorist watch list today?!?!"

      Ditto here. We made explosives with sugar and weedkiller put it in empty camping gaz bottles and blew up stuff. (nothing worth anything or dangerous) We also built our own mortars and tried to shoot at the water tower, (dangerous) but we always missed.
      Nobody ever gave a shit because everybody was doing it in all parts of town. Every farmer and forest owner also blew up tree stumps all day long, sometimes with the same stuff that we used.

      And now every other day is Panic Paranoia Day because somebody got drunk at the railway station and forgot his baggage with his dirty undies and the whole station gets evacuated, all trains halted and all the streets around blocked for hours.

      But apparently we are more 'secure' now.

    6. Re:Next up, vape bans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "some of the shit we pulled back in the day, would have put us on a terrorist watch list today"

      You killed people? Holy fuck.

    7. Re:Next up, vape bans by Jason+Levine · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And for those of us who were bullied, the bullying typically ended once you left school. When I was in high school and walked in my front door, the bullies couldn't reach me anymore. Nowadays, bullies can still harass people no matter where they are. We had to complain one day when a kid in my son's high school band class took out a cell phone and began taking photos of my son without his - or our - permission. The kid was making fun of my child as he did this so who knows where those photos ended up. Kids today have some really cool new tech to play with that we didn't have growing up, but there's a dark side to all of it as well.

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    8. Re:Next up, vape bans by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      Back when I was in school, you could bring your rifle during hunting season as long as you left it in your car. And there was a smoking area for students.

      Oh so much THIS!!

      Yep, most every pickup in the student (HS) parking lot had gun racks in them with loaded rifles, especially during deer season.

      No problems, no one got shot. Hell, not to get into it, you had MUCH more easy access to firearms, yet, no one was mass shooting anyone, it seems to be more of a people problem than gun access problem these days.

      But that's a different argment.

      And yes, smoking was just outside the doors of the school....and it was an open campus, you could come and go as you wished. I think we actually did have student IDs, but they were only checked if you had a free meal at lunch or something, never for entrance or exit.

      Hell, in the parking lot in the mornings...it was always a permanent haze, from various types of smoke, as you played frisbee before class. IN those days, you learned to throw the frisbee good enough NOT to hit cars as that that might get you into an ass whooping situation.

      :)

      In general when I was in High School, you were treated more like a college student than a school child.

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    9. Re:Next up, vape bans by flink · · Score: 1

      Yep, most every pickup in the student (HS) parking lot had gun racks in them with loaded rifles, especially during deer season.

      No problems, no one got shot. Hell, not to get into it, you had MUCH more easy access to firearms, yet, no one was mass shooting anyone, it seems to be more of a people problem than gun access problem these days.

      But that's a different argment.

      No one to speak of is mass shooting anyone now either. Statistically gun deaths in schools are down since the early 90's. There have been a few highly mediagraphic outliers that have skewed our perception over the last decade or so, but overall schools are safer than they were when I was in school.

      It does make sense I think to look at those outliers and have a level-headed conversation about 1) why those disturbed individuals had access to firearms 2) why they didn't get whatever help they clearly needed before they became homicidal.

      I personally don't think banning particular weapons is going to have the desired effect. Nor do I think locking down our schools or arming them to the teeth is conductive to learning. I think there are larger societal issues that are not going to be susceptible to a quick fix that need to get addressed before we see mass shootings completely eliminated.

    10. Re:Next up, vape bans by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      We got to actually grow up and enjoy things as a kid

      Implying kids aren't enjoying themselves? Setting garbage bins on fire isn't the only thing people in life can enjoy. And for every miniature terrorist like you (and I for that matter) and your friends there was a cell-phone-child-precursor sitting in their bedroom devouring whole libraries of books in peace or another glued to the telly.

      Life isn't about cell phones or fun, it's about many different people having fun in different ways.

    11. Re:Next up, vape bans by pnutjam · · Score: 2

      We get it Gramps, I didn't see this story tagged, "tell us how much better your childhood was".

    12. Re:Next up, vape bans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The world most certainly DID end for some of my friends. The rope swing on the river we all knew not to use, but did anyway, killed more than one when I was young. Perhaps you were more sheltered than you like to think.

    13. Re: Next up, vape bans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please. Pussies have been snorting condoms for decades.

    14. Re:Next up, vape bans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I feel for the kids today as that they have lost something....

      Disclaimer: I'm a tech in a school district.

      They know exactly what they've lost, that's the reason they are doing it.

      Most of the smartphone bans are due to misuse. I.e. "Hey let's take a picture of that other kid and bully them on social media with it." They also know that will follow them, regardless as to what the school district or their parents might do, so they consider it the ultimate form of revenge / bullying. As the revenge / bullying happens in the court of public opinion where "they" are the ones handing out verdicts and sentances. The kids are basicly fucking over each other for life. All because of some stupid spat that they will now never forget after high school. That's something my own district knows very well, and indeed is the reason why the ban is inplace.

      In my opinion, if the schools really wanted to prohibit this behavior, they'd not just ban phones, they'd tell the FCC to go fuck themselves, and put up cellphone jammers all over campus. Along with a "If we even see a cellphone in your possesion it's an automatic suspension. If we suspect you have a cellphone or camera, you'll be required to do a strip / cavity search, and a search of your belongings." policy change, in addition to manadatory anti-bullying classes complete with simulations for all students.

      Some people may view this as extreme, but the consequences for allowing the bullying and harassment are just as bad and will follow them for the rest of their lives.

      Granted the parents need to do their part as well, but the schools shouldn't have their hands tied into allowing this to happen because some parent wants to call their kid in the middle of class. That's what the front desk is for, call them, and let them handle it.

      Finally, I'll address the elephant in the room: The fact that society permits this crap as a matter of SOP. The phones / cameras are just a symptom not the cause. The real cause is, not all, but quite a few parents tend to not bother raising their kids. It's obvious which ones. Then those kids terrorize the other kids because there is no enforcement mechanism made avaiable to the school, and school can't discipline them as a result. Many times the kid just doesn't care about their behavior one way or the other and with those kids there's nothing the school can do to make them come around or make the lives of the other kids eaiser. Then you add the cellphones / cameras and the problem spills out of the school and into the real world.

      Some may say Special Ed. as a "solution". Others may just want to drug them, but neither is a real solution. It's just partially hiding, at best, or covering up the problem, until the pills wear off. The underlying behavior isn't affected at all, nor is the decision to act that way. There needs to be a real solution for these issues. Some districts have special "bad kid" schools, but most of those are just places to put "bad kids" the district wants nothing to do with. Further most of these kinds of problems stem from the home environment, but that's completely unaddressable by the schools.

      In my personal opinion, the schools should have a say in how to discipline the kids. The schools should also be able to demand that the government step in and remove the kid from the household if the parents are not willing to discipline their kids well enough for them to behave in school, or provide training for those parents that have tried but need additional help. As to my justification for this, your kid benefits from the public school system, so that school system should be able to demand a certian level of adherence for acceptable behavior from your kid so that all students can fully benefit from that school system. Also, the school system is controlled by it's board members. Which are supposed to be members of the local community. Given that, popular vote should be enough to enforce a minimum level acceptability for student behavior that the majority of parents agree with, and allow for those that object to potentially find greener pastures elsewhere.

      Second disclaimer: I, myself, would have been subject to that removal from the household comment as a kid and I would still support it.

    15. Re:Next up, vape bans by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      I grew up in the 70's. During the summer all I could do was dial up the timesharing (MECC/MERITS) phone number and whistle into it strange. Sometimes I could get the modem on the other end to engage and warble strange stuff back. Other than that, the teletypes were locked up in the school's math classroom and inaccessible.

    16. Re:Next up, vape bans by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      I didn't see it tagged as 'wah wah life is so shitty now that I need to cast shade on you.'

    17. Re: Next up, vape bans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sociopaths shouldnt be allowed in school.

      There's no good answer here, but don't waste energy saving the lost causes.

    18. Re:Next up, vape bans by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      Nah, life isn't shitty and his golden age wasn't so different.

    19. Re: Next up, vape bans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gun deaths shot up in the 90s especially in schools. The assault weapons ban was in response to gang crime especially among the youth.

  2. Just give up on the schools by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    They are shit anyway.

    Or send the kids overseas for better education.

    1. Re:Just give up on the schools by OrangeTide · · Score: 3, Funny

      Let's go back to sending children to work in coal mines. Their smartphones won't work down there.

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  3. "can send text messages"/ban enforcement method by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2

    That's any cell phone made in the past 20 years, not just a smartphone. Personally, I don't think smartphone bans can be enforced easily. The way to enforce them is via grading. Discuss a topic that's not "in the book." Test students on it. Maybe even discuss different "off-book" topics and give the option of which questions to answer to not penalize absent students, but punish students who are perpetually on their phones and tuned out. "Professor, I should have got an A on this exam, it wasn't in the book..." "Next time, put away the phone."

    1. Re:"can send text messages"/ban enforcement method by OrangeTide · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think sending texts during class on a basic cellphone is less distracting than a smartphone tied into dozens of apps and games. If you've ever tried to have a conversation with a child while they were playing an addictive mobile game, you'd know how little of what you say to them that they retain.

      If kids are playing mobile games during class, it is effectively the same as not showing up to class at all.

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    2. Re:"can send text messages"/ban enforcement method by cayenne8 · · Score: 2
      I dunno, back in the day before cell phones, we were playing paper football with each other or something distracting like that.

      Hell, I remember back in the day, when the first LED Mattel Football handheld game came out.

      Our schools finally put bans on us bringing them into school.

      Kids will be kids, but I do feel that those distractions weren't quite so engrossing and distracting for as long a period of time. You could do a little paper football, then back to class attention and then come back and finish paper football game.

      With cell phones...I see them with heads stooped over the phones with a constant stare and no break in attention to the outside world at all for long periods of time.

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    3. Re:"can send text messages"/ban enforcement method by El+Cubano · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Maybe even discuss different "off-book" topics and give the option of which questions to answer to not penalize absent students, but punish students who are perpetually on their phones and tuned out. "Professor, I should have got an A on this exam, it wasn't in the book..." "Next time, put away the phone."

      I teach at the university level (upper level undergraduate course) and I am shocked at the number of students who simply do not show up to class and of those that do show up the number that spend the entire period playing games on their phones or computers.

      I personally don't care, as at that level they are grown ups and can make their own decisions. However, I do make sure to tell them several times in the first few lectures that three will be material discussed in lecture and that will appear on the exams even though it is not in the text. Usually by about the third or fourth week of the term I can tell which students will be in A/B/C/F territory for each exam. The tiresome part for me is having to deal with the whiners who think they deserved a better grade. My response to them is always, "I grade very leniently, so if anything, your grade is a rather charitable reflection of the amount effort you put into the course."

      Being someone who has a limited ability to multi-task, and recognizing my own limits, I can tell you that the vast majority of people that think they can multi-task greatly overestimate their ability. In fact, the younger they are, the more they tend to overestimate how good they are at multitasking.

    4. Re:"can send text messages"/ban enforcement method by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      If the student can read the book, and get the data from it, why do you care if they pay attention in the lectures? Lectures only exist because "just read the textbook" only work for a small percentage of the population.

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    5. Re:"can send text messages"/ban enforcement method by PPH · · Score: 2

      Discuss a topic that's not "in the book." Test students on it.

      Make fake Wikipedia page first and see how many people answer with bogus material.

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    6. Re:"can send text messages"/ban enforcement method by CanHasDIY · · Score: 2

      There's more to being educated than rote memorization and repetition.

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    7. Re:"can send text messages"/ban enforcement method by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      There's more to being educated than rote memorization and repetition.

      But rote memorization and repetition will take you a long way in formal education!

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    8. Re:"can send text messages"/ban enforcement method by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      My oldest son's high school has a policy that allows smartphones to come into the building, but they need to be turned off during the school day. If the student takes them out at all during the day to use them, they can be confiscated and then the principal will have a nice chat with the parents about cell phone use in the building.

      (My son actually only has a cheap flip phone because there have also been instances of smartphones being stolen from students. I doubt anyone will want to steal a cheap flip phone and my son won't be tempted to take it out to play some game when he shouldn't be.)

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    9. Re:"can send text messages"/ban enforcement method by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      There's more to being educated than rote memorization and repetition.

      Sure, I totally agree. But I don't know how that's address by "lecture on things not in the book" and "ha, you did poorly on your test because you weren't paying attention."

      Maybe if you want to go beyond rote memorization, engage the students in discussions or something. Or are you saying students should be able to opt out of discussions, but listen, and parrot that back on the exam at the end? Seems easier (and more corrective), for the teacher to give students grades based on their participation each day/week so that the kids know whats expected of them and can engage the class.

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    10. Re:"can send text messages"/ban enforcement method by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      I dunno, back in the day before cell phones, we were playing paper football with each other or something distracting like that.

      Me too. But I think I could still hear and process a lecture while doing paper football. Maybe not 100%, but I think I absorbed some of the lecture.

      Hell, I remember back in the day, when the first LED Mattel Football handheld game came out.

      I'm from the Tiger Electronics and TI Calculator games era. I don't think I retained any of the lecture when I was playing these.

      Kids will be kids, but I do feel that those distractions weren't quite so engrossing and distracting for as long a period of time.

      Engrossing is definitely the word I was looking for. I think some allowances for differences between generations is acceptable as well. We can't realistically expect our children to have a childhood identical to our own. Especially since most kids aren't allowed to ride bikes around town from lunch till sunset. (sunrise to lunch was for church and chores.). There has to be some way for social interaction among peers in a world where parents try to protect children through physical isolation. It's no surprise that social networking and digital communication is popular with younger generations.

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    11. Re:"can send text messages"/ban enforcement method by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Having the ability to ingest and regurgitate every word of a lecture from two months ago is not learning.

      Either a professor can teach and make materials available, or they can't and lean on the crutch of "it was in the unrecorded lecture" when they fail to do their profession well.

      The only thing that matters is what has been learned. By repetition, inspiration, critical thought, the process is irrelevant. Once knowledge and skills are inside a students head and that student can access them, the job is a success. Anything that makes that process harder is a failure exclusively on the shoulders of "educators".

    12. Re:"can send text messages"/ban enforcement method by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's asinine.

      If the lecture isn't the point of the class you wasted your money registering for the class. Paying attention to the lecture and ignoring the book will prepare you for the exam in most classes. The book functions chiefly as a list of homework questions, and a cash grab. The exception being things like literature or philosophy classes where the lecture requires you to participate in a discussion and familiarity with the text is required to useful participation.

    13. Re:"can send text messages"/ban enforcement method by denbesten · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I teach at the university level (upper level undergraduate course) and I am shocked at the number of students who simply do not show up to class and of those that do show up the number that spend the entire period playing games on their phones or computers.

      A good buddy of mine was a University prof. He, too, allowed students to make their own decisions regarding their effort. The one difference is that he kept attendance (and attentiveness) records, specifically to deal with one scenario. All too often, adult students would bring in their angry parents who had footed the bill for a bad grade from what the student claimed was an "unfair teacher". After getting the adult student's permission to discuss the issue in front of the parent, he was generally able to change the entire discussion simply by showing the attendance records to the parents.

    14. Re:"can send text messages"/ban enforcement method by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would you teach material that is not covered in books or exercises? You should respect your students, not force them to listen to you by giving them no choice.

      Back at university I used to skip lectures if the material is easy enough and I could do the exercises by just studying myself.

    15. Re:"can send text messages"/ban enforcement method by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just a quick AC story and thought I'd like to send your way in case you might see them.

      Story: My med school had a note-taking service. It was almost indispensable. (The instructors knew it existed and quickened their pace.) By the end of the first two years, only 20% of the people were still attending class. I gathered that the other 80% (including me) learned best from repeating reading.

      You may want to consider that many of your students are in the same category. Effectively forcing them to sit through a lecture when they're not really lecture-learners will result in inefficient learning.

    16. Re:"can send text messages"/ban enforcement method by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 2

      Why would he ONLY teach the material included in the books and written exercises? That stuff can be mass produced. His job is to teach, not to churn out photocopies.

      Yes, I was one of the people in the lecture hall who was actually interested in the topic. I would often ask extended questions about the topic to further my learning. Often enough the next person to raise their hand would ask 'will that be on the test?'

    17. Re:"can send text messages"/ban enforcement method by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      And formal education will take you a long way in wallpapering a room, but it's not cheap wallpaper.

    18. Re:"can send text messages"/ban enforcement method by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the student can read the book, and get the data from it, why do you care if they pay attention in the lectures? Lectures only exist because "just read the textbook" only work for a small percentage of the population.

      You make a big assumption that every lecture is similar to reading out from text. Any teachers who do what you said shouldn't be fired. Sadly in reality, there are some of them. Still, that is NOT the point of having a lecture.

      Lectures often times are used to explain any questionable steps/contents. Good teachers know that and they usually include other related/relevant materials that aren't in the book as well. That how lecture works.

    19. Re:"can send text messages"/ban enforcement method by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      There's more to being educated than rote memorization and repetition.

      Sure, I totally agree. But I don't know how that's address by "lecture on things not in the book" and "ha, you did poorly on your test because you weren't paying attention."

      Are the "lecture" portions of class now just straight lectures? When I was in college (which, granted, was over a decade ago) we often used "lecture" time for relevant discussions, and the instructors would regularly use these discussions to create quiz material. The time was also used to pose critical thinking questions to the class, which you would never get from memorizing facts in a book.

      I have a pretty high expectation of participation.

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    20. Re:"can send text messages"/ban enforcement method by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      We're not talking about college, we're talking about kids.

      And I was using "lecture" to mean "lecture", because we were talking about cellphones distracting from lectures and teachers not reacting. And it's obvious when people aren't participating in a conversation, and that can be reacted to regardless of the cause.

      For what it's worth, I think lectures should be videos views at home, and class should be used for discussions and helping children And cellphones should be banned. But that's harder, and I'm not sure all the teachers we have are up to it.

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    21. Re:"can send text messages"/ban enforcement method by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      We're not talking about college, we're talking about kids.

      Oh, right, duh. Guess I got off on a tangent. Basically ignore my last response.

      For what it's worth, I think lectures should be videos views at home, and class should be used for discussions and helping children

      On the one hand, I think that's a much better method of education than the antiquated classroom system currently in use; on the other, I fear that may only serve to further blur the line between "work life" and "home life," and personally I woudn't want to be the one to risk ruining a childhood by making it school-time, all the time.

      And cellphones should be banned. But that's harder, and I'm not sure all the teachers we have are up to it.

      Especially considering that more and more teachers are members of the "can't do anything without a cell phone in my hand" generation... "do as I say, not as I do" is a piss-poor way to express authority.

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  4. Safety Issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some schools may be relaxing restrictions on cell phones, not just for parents to contact the students, but for the school to send safety alerts and other notifications.

    1. Re:Safety Issue by tepples · · Score: 1

      That and the fact that austerity has led to more reasonable demand for mobile phone service among students.

      1. Fiscally conservative voters approve property tax caps
      2. School districts have to pinch pennies to make ends meet
      3. School districts decide to cut bus service to the bare minimum (1 mile radius for elementary school, 1.5 mile radius for middle school, 2 mile radius for high school)
      4. Students switch from discontinued student transit to riding a bicycle
      5. Payphone operators cease maintaining payphones due to reduced use by adults
      6. Each student then needs a way to contact someone in case of a bicycle accident or some other way to get a ride in case of a thunderstorm or other weather not conducive to cycling

    2. Re:Safety Issue by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      3. Is a good thing - students who walk/bike a few miles a day are less likely to be obese. I grew up in a town with no busing, and this was in the 90s -- unless they're handicapped, kids have legs for a reason.

      6. Doesn't actually preclude a cell phone ban -- students could be required to keep them in their lockers during school hours and only remove them during lunch or when going home.

    3. Re:Safety Issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      6. Each student then needs a way to contact someone in case of a bicycle accident or some other way to get a ride in case of a thunderstorm or other weather not conducive to cycling

      How did we ever survive before cell phones?

    4. Re:Safety Issue by tepples · · Score: 1

      students who walk/bike a few miles a day are less likely to be obese

      But then who pays for a bike before the student is old enough to be employed, particularly if another child in the same neighborhood already snapped up all the lawns to mow and sidewalks to shovel?

      unless they're handicapped, kids have legs for a reason.

      Which raises the question of what to do with the handicapped students.

      6. Doesn't actually preclude a cell phone ban -- students could be required to keep them in their lockers

      Some districts have banned electronic devices even in school lockers.

    5. Re:Safety Issue by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      Each student then needs a way to contact someone in case of a bicycle accident or some other way to get a ride in case of a thunderstorm or other weather not conducive to cycling

      My God...how did we EVER make alive to adulthood in the (not so long ago) days before cell phones of any type????

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      Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
    6. Re:Safety Issue by cayenne8 · · Score: 0

      But then who pays for a bike before the student is old enough to be employed, particularly if another child in the same neighborhood already snapped up all the lawns to mow and sidewalks to shovel?

      Well, back in my day, the parents of the child would sacrifice and save to BUY the kid things like bicycles and clothes, etc....

      They don't do that these days?

      Last time I looked, a basic bicycle didn't cost an arm and a leg. Hell, don't go to McDonalds for a month or so, and you could get close to money for a basic bicycle.

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    7. Re:Safety Issue by tepples · · Score: 1

      Well, back in my day, the parents of the child would sacrifice and save to BUY the kid things like bicycles and clothes, etc....

      There was also probably more job security back in your day. Thus smartphones for children might be in part a workaround for the decline in labor union power.

      Last time I looked, a basic bicycle didn't cost an arm and a leg. Hell, don't go to McDonalds for a month or so, and you could get close to money for a basic bicycle.

      Some of these parents already shun fast food to make ends meet.

    8. Re:Safety Issue by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      My God...how did we EVER make alive to adulthood in the (not so long ago) days before cell phones of any type????

      We did it by walking to school in that thunderstorm that he thinks is an issue in his point number 6.

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    9. Re:Safety Issue by PPH · · Score: 1

      How did we ever survive before cell phones?

      We didn't. We are all dead now. And this is hell.

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    10. Re:Safety Issue by PPH · · Score: 1

      But then who pays for a bike before the student is old enough to be employed

      Who paid for the cell phone?

      OMG mom! You expect me to go to school with last year's iPhone? iPhone X is only $1000. Everyone else is getting one.

      Try to give a kid a bicycle and it had better be a bum bike.

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    11. Re:Safety Issue by tepples · · Score: 1

      Who paid for the cell phone?

      The parent bought an entry-level phone on a $50/year plan with limited minutes and no data. The parent's own phone may be a "Dubyaphone" on the Lifeline program.

    12. Re:Safety Issue by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      Well, back in my day, the parents of the child would sacrifice and save to BUY the kid things like bicycles and clothes, etc....

      There was also probably more job security back in your day. Thus smartphones for children might be in part a workaround for the decline in labor union power.

      Err...and how many bicycles could you buy for the price of a single smart phone?!?!?!?

      I just looked at Academy Sports, decent bicycles, multi-speed ones even, are between $50-$100.

      Hell, can you get a modern smart phone for that money??? Not to mention the monthly payments you have to spend for service??

      Ditch the phone and get the kid a bike. They'll get more exercise, and be less depressed, and *gasp* actually have to learn interpersonal skills in real meatspace with other kids!!!

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    13. Re:Safety Issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget a few tools and parts for maintenance and to educate a bit about it. This makes all the difference

    14. Re:Safety Issue by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      But then who pays for a bike before the student is old enough to be employed, particularly if another child in the same neighborhood already snapped up all the lawns to mow and sidewalks to shovel?

      How about using the the money that would have been spent on the smartphone? Bikes don't have an additional monthly charge to remain useful, and a kid's bike is very much less expensive than a smartphone in the long run.

    15. Re:Safety Issue by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Some of these parents already shun fast food to make ends meet.

      A lot of poor and lower-middle-class people are poor specifically because they regularly eat fast food instead of cooking/fixing meals at home.

      Which isn't to blame the fast food places. But a lot of poor people are poor at managing money.

    16. Re:Safety Issue by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      On the way to my new job, I drive by a local Middle School just before the school day starts there. There is a huge line of parents' cars that sometimes extends out onto the shoulder, which slowly crawls forward as each pupil is deposited on the sidewalk next to the school door.

      I can only imagine the trouble you would get in if you just let your kid out in the parking lot and didn't queue up in the line to deposit them at the prescribed spot on the curb.

      I walked to school when I was that age because of the bullies on the bus. But it was several miles.

    17. Re:Safety Issue by tepples · · Score: 1

      Err...and how many bicycles could you buy for the price of a single smart phone?!?!?!?

      I just looked at Academy Sports, decent bicycles, multi-speed ones even, are between $50-$100.

      An entry level Android phone also runs about $100. Thus to answer your question: about one.

      Not to mention the monthly payments you have to spend for service??

      I don't pay more than $50 per year for service on my Coolpad Catalyst phone.

    18. Re:Safety Issue by tepples · · Score: 1

      Bikes don't have an additional monthly charge to remain useful

      I can think of chain lube and replacement tubes and tires. But I concede that a child's bicycle is less likely to need the other replacement parts as the child grows out of it.

    19. Re:Safety Issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget how people replace their smartphone every 2-3 years and drops it into the floor every now and then.

      A phone lasts you 2-3 years, then there's a risk that your kid drops it in the floor.
      I've been riding my current bike for 6 years and it works fine, I gave my previous bike to my SO which has now been in use for 15 years and works fine.

    20. Re:Safety Issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > I can think of chain lube and replacement tubes and tires.

      Chain lube which lasts for at least 3 years is $3.

      You don't need to replace the whole tube, you can buy kits which are similar to band-aids but for the tube which you glue over the punctured hole.
      A kit of 20 which includes a mini-wrench and tools pulling of the tire is $7 and should last you at least 5 years.

      If you don't have mountainbike tires and bike in the woods there's no need for replacement tires.

      > But I concede that a child's bicycle is less likely to need the other replacement parts as the child grows out of it.

      I've never gotten a new bike as a kid, I either inherited it from a sibling or bought one used. The you can sell them again as they don't drop in price as dramatically as a smartphone.

    21. Re:Safety Issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The more you attempt to defend your claim, the more you fall apart.

      Some districts have banned electronic devices even in school lockers.

      Huh? TFA is NOT focusing on this type. The real focus is that kids are using phones DURING the school's class session (could include break time between classes). It has nothing to do with before and after class session.

      Some of these parents already shun fast food to make ends meet.

      An entry level Android phone also runs about $100. Thus to answer your question: about one.

      Are you serious? Both claims are going against one another. How parents who need to spend money on fast food (which is completely stupid but would be in another discussion) can afford to shell out $100 to get a smartphone for their kids? Besides, $100 phone is really shitty that kids will not want to use it. You have no idea how kids think. Furthermore, most parents who have to spend money on fast food to make ends meet don't have 1 kid! So one smartphone will never be enough. One smartphone per kid is more likely; thus way more money to spend.

      Anyway, your reasoning is not reasonable. It is just an excuse after another because it is NOT logical. It is an absurd excuse that attempt to get sympathy from others, period.

    22. Re:Safety Issue by tepples · · Score: 1

      Without a phone, how should a cyclist who gets a flat tire seek assistance?

  5. Next up, backpacks. by foradoxium · · Score: 2

    it'd be nice for my kid to be able to use a backpack to carry her schoolwork in. They aren't even allowed clear backpacks.

    1. Re:Next up, backpacks. by tepples · · Score: 1

      Have you calculated the number of expected spills per year and the time cost of recovering from each spill? If so, have you raised this issue with school administration? If so, what was the administrator's reply?

    2. Re:Next up, backpacks. by zenbi · · Score: 1

      I remember my school banning backpacks for the aesthetics/cleanliness aspects. Try walking between two rows of tightly packed student desks when the kids have unwieldy backpacks (some with a dozen+ zipper compartments). Maybe they should adopt a Japanese style standard sized school bag instead of allowing just any sized backpack.

    3. Re:Next up, backpacks. by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      Really? My son's locker is out of his way so he winds up carrying EVERYTHING he needs for the entire day in his backpack. It's a heavy monstrosity and I don't see how he carries it every day without hurting his back.

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    4. Re:Next up, backpacks. by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Bong water spills are definitely a bummer, man.

    5. Re:Next up, backpacks. by foradoxium · · Score: 1

      Correct. The school has the kids carry one HUGE binder containing spiral notebooks for every class. It's infuriating, we're trying to find a way to move her to a different school next year. Event to the point where I'm going to fill out a form asking permission to move her out of district.

  6. Ridiculous.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But yet half the parents that are at work during school hours are likely banned from using phones at work.

    April fools is over already!

    1. Re:Ridiculous.. by tepples · · Score: 1

      Parents are presumed old enough to drive and rich enough to own a car and can therefore leave their phones in a locked car. Students not old enough to drive have no outside place in which to lock a phone, and some of these phone bans apply as well to indoor lockers.

    2. Re:Ridiculous.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Banned from using their phones at work? Where does that even happen?

      I suppose I only work with professionals, they can use their phones whenever they need to. I certainly have mine with me when I'm working, and while I don't pull it out when I'm in a conversation with someone, I absolutely use it while I'm working.

  7. Between lecture end and bell by tepples · · Score: 1

    If kids are playing mobile games during class, it is effectively the same as not showing up to class at all.

    To what extent is this also true of the time between the end of the lecture and the bell that signals the end of the class period? Truancy law requires the student to remain in the classroom until that time.

    1. Re:Between lecture end and bell by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't look at the law as a source of scientific truth. I don't have the data but I suspect there is measurable differences for students who play games during lectures versus those who are paying attention. But I'm skeptical there is as significant of a difference for students playing games after the lecture is over until the arbitrary start of the next class session.

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  8. Howzabout parental control ? by dasgoober · · Score: 1

    Can I get my kid's phone usage records, and if I see any text messages or network activity on his phone during school hours, he gets punished?

    1. Re:Howzabout parental control ? by tepples · · Score: 1

      Why would you punish your kid for finding a non-disruptive way to pass the time while sitting quietly between when the teacher ends the lecture and the bell?

    2. Re:Howzabout parental control ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would you punish your kid for finding a non-disruptive way to pass the time while sitting quietly between when the teacher ends the lecture and the bell?

      Who the hell are these teachers who stop lecturing so long before the bell? I was used to them going right up to it or even continuing to talk while we're packing up and heading out the door to our next class.

    3. Re:Howzabout parental control ? by tepples · · Score: 1

      Lesson plans tend to be divided into one discrete lesson per lecture with a few minutes of slack time to accommodate questions and for the teacher occasionally taking somewhat longer than expected to finish a certain part. This means the teacher will try to finish slightly early on average so as not to finish late.

    4. Re:Howzabout parental control ? by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Teachers now all have degrees from the 'Education Department' of the University. That's a stunted little sub-campus at some Universities where students progress on stunted little degree programs that are heavily laced with ideology.

      Really, it's hard to get a teaching job now if you didn't have an 'Education Major' when in college, instead of getting a Liberal Arts or Science education.

  9. The parents are the drivers of this by Hasaf · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As a teacher, I can tell that the main reason for relaxing the cell phone bans is the parents demanding it. the research is in, cell phones detract from learning.

    The following is part of a letter I sent to my building administrator on this topic. The first point, that is cut out, but mentioned, had to do with my student to robot ratio.

    The second is more generalized, yet it remains a problem. It is the cell phones in the school.

    The research done by the London School of Economics showed that the benefit to a cell phone ban was the equivalent to an extra week of instruction. However, even more relevant to our district, is that the gain was driven by low income students. they showed an improvement equal to receiving three extra weeks of instruction per year.

    Simply telling the students to put the phones is not enough. A study by the University of Chicago determined that the negative effects of the cell phone are present when the phone is in close proximity, such as in a backpack. When in close proximity, the addictive nature of the phone continues to interfere with the cognitive process.

    Based on research, a simple ban of cell phones could improve the students education. In cases where the parent believes that their child needs a phone, and will not be swayed by research, a area of small lock boxes in the office would allow the students to secure their phones at the beginning of the day.

    These are two proposals that would increase student engagement and learning.

    Here I include summaries and abstracts from recent cell phone research:
      a couple of studies that have been completed in an attempt to assess the impact the impact of having cell-phones in school on education.

    The first is a study completed by the London School of Economics. Here is the abstract:

    This paper investigates the impact of schools banning mobile phones on student test scores. By surveying schools in four English cities regarding their mobile phone policies and combining it with administrative data, we find that student performance in high stakes exams significantly increases post ban. We use a difference in differences (DID) strategy, exploiting variations in schools’ autonomous decisions to ban these devices, conditioning on a range of student characteristics and prior achievement. Our results indicate that these increases in performance are driven by the lowest achieving students. This suggests that restricting mobile phone use can be a low-cost policy to reduce educational inequalities.
    Source: http://cep.lse.ac.uk/pubs/down...

    A more readable summary is provided by CNN:
    The authors looked at how phone policies at 91 schools in England have changed since 2001, and compared that data with results achieved in national exams taken at the age of 16. The study covered 130,000 pupils.
    It found that following a ban on phone use, the schools' test scores improved by 6.4%. The impact on underachieving students was much more significant -- their average test scores rose by 14%.
    Source: http://money.cnn.com/2015/05/1...

    This study was supported by a recent study conducted by the University of Chicago. Further, they determined that the negative effect of the cell-phone were present even if the cell-phone is put away, such as in a backpack. From the Abstract:
    Results from two experiments indicate that even when people are successful at maintaining sustained attention—as when avoiding the temptation to check their phones—the mere presence of these devices reduces available cognitive capacity.
    Source: http://www.journals.uchicago.e...

    1. Re:The parents are the drivers of this by blindseer · · Score: 1

      That is interesting that people are distracted from just knowing the phone is nearby. I can only relate to an extent. I'm rarely without my phone since I bought my first one but I believe I'm not terribly distracted by it's presence. I mean that I want to make sure it's kept safe and secure, it's a valuable item, but I'm not thinking that I need to touch it constantly.

      I remember putting my phone in my carry-on bag while flying, so I didn't have the bulky item in my pocket while folded up into a little ball while seated on the plane. When my parents came to pick me up at the airport I mentioned that I wanted to get my phone from my bag before I put the bags in the trunk. Dad made a comment about how I should have the phone surgically implanted in my ass if I thought it was that important to have it on me for the drive home. That was probably 20 years ago. I thought the comment was a bit over the top, even for my dad, but he seemed to notice people were getting too attached to their phones even then. This was an early "web connected" phone, it could run a basic web browser and not much else. I mostly wanted it in my pocket since it became my timepiece. I regularly used a pocket watch up until I realized that the phone was more accurate on keeping time and almost always in my pocket, therefore the watch became redundant and I put it in a box.

      That made me think, do kids wear wristwatches any more? Game watches were a thing, at least for a while. Those were highly addictive and distracting but I don't recall anyone making a big deal out of them. I had a calculator watch for a while, came in handy too. Those have to be worthless now. I haven't worn a wristwatch since I got out of the Army over a decade ago, I always had something electronic in my pocket to keep time since.

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    2. Re:The parents are the drivers of this by Hasaf · · Score: 1

      A lot of the kids wear wrist watches. G-Shock watches are very popular.

      Unfortunately I lost the watch I had in the Army. I searched all over for it too. It's gone.

    3. Re:The parents are the drivers of this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The phone being nearby is distracting because the kid would rather be texting/gaming/whatever using the phone, and it's right there all they'd have to do is pick it up.

      Frankly this is probably an important part of education. They need to learn how to function in spite of the temptation. The discipline to be able to work when you'd rather be screwing around with friends is probably more valuable than the actual content of the course.

    4. Re:The parents are the drivers of this by rgbscan · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's like putting a beer next to an alcoholic. Even if they don't drink it, their mind in completely focused on the temptation and not what's going on around them.

    5. Re:The parents are the drivers of this by Hasaf · · Score: 1

      What you are describing is similar to a test that was done. A marshmallow was placed on the desks of pre-school students. They weer then told that the teacher had to step away. If they would wait until the teacher got back, before eating their marshmallow they would be given a second one as a reward for waiting for the teacher. Some waited and got a second, some ate theirs right away.

      the study doesn't end there.

      Many years later a different group of researchers got hold of that study and the raw data. They tracked down those kids who were now adults. What they found was that the kids who waited were more successful than their peers who had gobbled the marshmallow.

      These kids all went to the same pre-school; so it is reasonable to believe that they were, generally demographic peers. However, I would like to have seen some of the data that no one looked for at that time.

      Some of those kids had clearly already learned that the world is a bitter place and no one gets what they are promised. In Outliers, Malcomb Gladwell clearly establishes that is a loosing strategy. What I would like to have seen is what taught those kids that lesson. unfortunately, when reading the research, that information just doesn't seem to be there.

    6. Re:The parents are the drivers of this by sabbede · · Score: 1
      *applause

      I wonder if it would help to just tell parents flat out that they are advocating less education in exchange for a trivial boost to convenience.

  10. Payphones and less stranger danger hysteria by tepples · · Score: 1

    5. Payphone operators cease maintaining payphones due to reduced use by adults

    How did we ever survive before cell phones?

    Payphones were around then. I thought I mentioned that. But what I initially neglected to mention is that there wasn't quite as much "stranger danger" hysteria back then as what we have had lately, where police arrest parents for neglect for letting students walk to and from school. It took a federal law to curb that.

    1. Re:Payphones and less stranger danger hysteria by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >surreptitiously changing the quote because you missed the sarcasm
      ISHYGDDT-diggity-doo!

  11. Glad I'm not a teacher "these days" by adosch · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I can't imagine the absolute fucking distraction in class that goes on with either SMS, social media, watching kids make a goofy damn face 'snapchatting', etc. As much as I want to dismiss it as back in the day when I'd doodle or sketch nonsense in a notebook while a teacher was droning on, passing notes, counting ceiling tiles or what-the-hell-ever all of us non-millennials did as being just as non-productive, it's a complete different type of blatant disrespect and lack of dedication without being able to 'disconnect' and focus on something other than _you_.

    Think public/private school issues are bad, anymore, I wish workplaces would eliminate phone usage from the damn work force, except for under extreme circumstances, where you actually need to use it. I can't even get away from it in meetings or presentations I do at work anymore; there is guaranteed at least one mega-douche with his face buried in his phone not even paying attention (but in a title and position to absolutely the fuck pay attention), then is always the person who has to have things repeated, or burning up questions that were already covered, or whatever waste presented on, the opposite (or nothing) gets done.

    Just like most teachers already get paid shit, assuming they are par to upper quality educators and care, it's flat out an extreme waste of their time, expertise, educational background and breath when you can't even get someone to put down a device for 1/16th of their entire day they are awake for that one hour class to be dedicated and open to being taught and educated. We all know, the 15 other slivers of time are 'on that thing' anyway.

    1. Re:Glad I'm not a teacher "these days" by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      it's a complete different type of blatant disrespect

      No. It really isn't. Self-justifying it as "kids these days" doesn't make them any worse or what you did any better. Whether sending someone an SMS or a piece of folded paper, whether you're doodling or googling, in both cases the same result is achieved in the same level of disrespect.

    2. Re:Glad I'm not a teacher "these days" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would argue that it is likely to not be the same result. There is an alluring aspect to the phone which becomes addictive due to its variety of capabilities. This makes it so the phone is much more interesting than the teacher. I don't care how much you like to doodle, unless you are an artist, it isn't that interesting.

  12. Entitled fucking parents, by the sound of it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "they are bending to the pressure of parents who want to be able to reach their kids." ...during school hours. If they need to reach their kids during school THEN THEY SHOULD CALL THE FUCKING OFFICE, the way it has always been.

    1. Re:Entitled fucking parents, by the sound of it. by geekmux · · Score: 2

      "they are bending to the pressure of parents who want to be able to reach their kids." ...during school hours. If they need to reach their kids during school THEN THEY SHOULD CALL THE FUCKING OFFICE, the way it has always been.

      Learn to laugh this off and don't worry. When entitled parents raise dumb ass kids who hold the digitally-retarded attention span of a rabid squirrel, they'll reap their helicopter parenting rewards in spades by warehousing those "kids" well into their 20s and 30s.

  13. "Blocking" social media by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 4, Interesting

    At the 90% of schools that "block" social media, I'd say around 90% of the students use a VPN to punch through that noise. I found this out after I found one of my kids, who resisted programs like "Hour of Code" and wouldn't even help his old man maintain the home network, had a system of two VPNs and related AV on his phone to get around his schools' bans on SnapChat and the like. Frankly, I was impressed.

    1. Re:"Blocking" social media by grimthaw · · Score: 1

      Turn off WiFi, use Cellular Data. Now you're not restricted by the school's IT policies.

    2. Re:"Blocking" social media by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Turn off WiFi, use Cellular Data. Now you're not restricted by the school's IT policies.

      Uh, most Gen Y/Z'ers would consider it an environmental violation to not connect to an available WiFi connection.

    3. Re:"Blocking" social media by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I could imgaine It departments are haveing alot more headaches now then i was in school a decade ago even with the stupids useing more closed off hardware like phones The option to use there parents data kindof makes it hard to use the school districts block list

  14. Is there a "non-smart" phone any more? by blindseer · · Score: 2

    I remember years ago I worked at a place that didn't allow cameras on the property. Cameras in phones were just getting popular at the time. My phone was getting old and unreliable and so I went shopping for a phone without a camera. The guy at the store seemed very confused at this request. We looked through their catalog of phones and I was able to find something suitable, which I bought.

    While we were looking for a phone without a camera the sales droid suggested I buy a nicer phone and just punch out the camera lens to render the camera inoperable, so I could find a nicer phone and yet still comply with my employer's demands. I thought the guy was insane to suggest such a thing. How would my employer know the camera was truly inoperable unless there was obvious damage to the phone? In which case I'd have a brand new phone that was intentionally broken. How would I explain this if I ever needed a repair later? "No, I want the phone fixed BUT NOT THE CAMERA IN IT!" How would I know that no other damage was done, and if I did then we are back to fixing the phone but still leaving obvious damage to the camera function.

    Weeks after I got my camera-less phone they lifted the ban on phones with cameras. Too many people complained and the company gave in. They just said that getting caught taking a photo on the premises could be grounds for dismissal. That was of course impossible to enforce. They could certainly walk someone out the door for taking pictures of something and posting it on the internet but that's closing the barn door after the horses left.

    I later went back to university and had one instructor say during the first class period that anyone using an electronic device during class would be marked as absent that day. That's not just a ban on devices for quizzes and tests but during class discussion. That was the first and last time I saw that happen as every class since would have nearly every student with a laptop or electronic tablet for taking notes, or whatever. Of course some people were just goofing off, like one guy I saw that was watching a soccer game in the middle of class. It's not like people didn't goof off in class before electronics, I remember doing crossword puzzles during lectures.

    I remember when pagers were a thing and schools wanted to ban those. They gave up on banning pagers a long time ago too, and not just because they fell out of use. Parents that were able to afford a two-way pager for their kids can have a lot of influence on the schools.

    Everything old is new again. History doesn't repeat, but it does rhyme.

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    1. Re:Is there a "non-smart" phone any more? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I later went back to university

      would be marked as absent that day.

      I'm a geezer. And I can't remember a college class that gave a damn about attendance. Do the work, pass the tests and you're good.

    2. Re:Is there a "non-smart" phone any more? by blindseer · · Score: 1

      The class was a course on literature, so there was a component of the grade based on classroom discussion. The instructor kept some kind of record on who contributed to discussion and graded that somehow, along with assignments and examinations.

      I had one other class that made the class discussion part of the grade, that was a philosophy class. Back then laptops were more like "luggables" than when I had the literature class years later. Laptops then were much heavier and unlikely to keep power without a cord for an hour and half lecture unless the person paid extra for a dual battery option. Also the desks in the classroom were not conducive to having a laptop on them, the problem likely never came up before that the instructor felt the need to mention it.

      Those two classes were part of the humanities requirements for my engineering degree, the other courses I took rarely had discussion. I remember having an instructor comment that he didn't care about the laptops in class. I'm guessing either he thought like you mentioned, do the work and pass the tests, or thought that if the laptop meant people would take better notes and/or research things instead of taking lecture time to ask then the laptops added to the learning. Likely a bit of both.

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  15. Access in an emergency case by Archfeld · · Score: 1

    In my school days the parents would call the office and the secretary would either take a message or the student would located in class and sent to the office to make or receive a call. I can recall hearing the school intercom calling people to the office or the in house system ringing in the class the student was supposed to be requesting the teacher send the student to the office.

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    1. Re:Access in an emergency case by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      That's the way things still are in my oldest son's high school. During the school day, you need to call the office to get in touch with a student. After school activities allow cell phones to be used, but during the school day they have to be put away and silenced.

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    2. Re:Access in an emergency case by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which is exactly why every student having a smartphone is a huge improvement.

      Having a kid paged to the office is FAR more disruptive, both for that kid and for the entire class, than the kid getting a text, looking at the phone, and sending a quick reply.

      It's all we had back then. It's completely stupid now.

    3. Re:Access in an emergency case by sabbede · · Score: 1
      So? If it isn't an emergency (which would result in the kid going to the office anyhow), the communication must not occur. Parents don't get to interrupt class time all willy nilly and distract kids unnecessarily. If it's an emergency, call the office. They can do more than just inform, they can have support people handy, they can filter a parent's panic so as not to make things worse, they can provide information to the parent, and make sure it's actually a parent that the kid is communicating with. They are the firewall that insulates the students while in class.

      I'm old enough to remember beepers, and how those were banned in class not just for being disruptive, but because they were being used to facilitate drug deals. Schools are controlled environments and they need to stay that way.

  16. Smartphones didn't hurt my kid in high school by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    periodically having to stand in class because there were 30 seats and 40 students did. And no, I'm not joking. And this was in one of the better school districts in my area.

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    1. Re:Smartphones didn't hurt my kid in high school by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      periodically having to stand in class because there were 30 seats and 40 students did. And no, I'm not joking. And this was in one of the better school districts in my area.

      Sitting on your ass all day long causes considerable risk increases in lung, uterine, and colon cancer. And no, I'm not joking. Ever consider they were actually doing that for proven health benefits?

      I'm also trying to understand how it hurt your kid to stand, unless obesity was already an issue.

  17. Guns in HS? Pffff try elementary! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's right, in 1st grade I took my BB gun to (private) school for show and tell. I carried it with me on the bus. No one said shit, in fact they were impressed!

  18. The tech solution... by BlueCoder · · Score: 0

    Simply jam cell frequencies in the school except maybe at certain times of the day.

    Second install cell phone towers on school property; increases the number of ways you can spy on the kids and over parent them.

    Third make the teens (and school employees) buy special school cell phones which operate on a different frequency and whose software you can lock down.

    The cost would be approximately $150 per child. Alternatively you could buy tablets instead of phones for actual school use (ebooks and digital homework) which could be used as phones in a pinch but not without being noticed. Calls and messages from parents could be allowed and texts between students could be limited and monitored.

    1. Re:The tech solution... by denbesten · · Score: 1

      Simply jam cell frequencies in the school except maybe at certain times of the day.

      There is federal law prohibiting this "simple" solution.

      Calls and messages from parents could be allowed and texts between students could be limited and monitored.

      This, too is illegal throughout most of the world without notifying at least one and sometimes both parties to the conversation.

      Requiring phone calls to students to go through the office is a pretty good solution. The office is much better prepared to minimize disruption in the classroom and is able to support a true emergency (e.g. death of a family member) with immediate emotional support / counseling to the student or the classroom.

  19. I disagree... by Archfeld · · Score: 1

    How so ? They are not going to let the kid go anywhere, emergency or not without a guardian arranging it thru the school. They are not going to let even the guardian just show up at the school and take the child without checking in at the office. I am all for everyone having a phone or some means to reach emergency services etc. I see the kid getting an emergency message and jumping up and running to the office or just failing let anyone know what is going on causing far more impact as the campus is locked down, because the kid left without telling anyone anything. Having the teacher pause briefly to answer the class intercom and sending the child to the office would be far less disturbing than the child running out of class unexplained and much quicker than the child having to try and explain to the teacher, and then again to central office personnel.

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  20. Re: "can send text messages"/ban enforcement metho by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where I went to school all sorts of phones were banned in the classroom. If they saw you with one they'd confiscate it and give it back at the end of class.

  21. Re: "can send text messages"/ban enforcement metho by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I believe learning to pay attention for longer times to be a crucial part of growing up.