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Fedora 28 Beta Linux Distro is Finally Here (betanews.com)

Posted by msmash on from the for-the-testers dept.

An anonymous reader writes: Today, version 28 of the Fedora finally achieves beta status. After a short delay -- it was scheduled to be available a week earlier -- the distro is back on track, and looking better than ever. As is typical now, there are three versions of the operating system -- Atomic Host, Server, and Workstation. While all three have their places, normal desktop computer users will want to focus on Workstation. While there are plenty of new features (and bugs), the most exciting aspect of Fedora 28 Workstation is the inclusion of the GNOME 3.28 desktop environment.

37 comments

  1. Fedora Beta Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    3 words that go together pretty well

    1. Re:Fedora Beta Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Windows never made it out of Alpha.

    2. Re:Fedora Beta Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Windows never made it out of Alpha.

      Why would you want out if you're already the alpha dog of the OS market?

    3. Re:Fedora Beta Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Alpha software is computer software that is still in the early testing phase. The "alpha phase" of software development follows the early programming and design stages, but precedes the "beta phase" in which the software closely resembles the final version.

    4. Re:Fedora Beta Linux by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

      Windows 7 was at least beta quality. But 10 was a regression.

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    5. Re:Fedora Beta Linux by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      3 words that go together better: systemd free edition.

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    6. Re:Fedora Beta Linux by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I don't know whether this should be +1 funny or -1 thinks it's still 1997.

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    7. Re:Fedora Beta Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      really?? they haven't got rid of that rubbish yet!

  2. Exciting? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ”While there are plenty of new features (and bugs), the most exciting aspect of Fedora 28 Workstation is the inclusion of the GNOME 3.28 desktop environment.”

    You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

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    1. Re:Exciting? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      The DNF system, the management of RPM's, has been twisted and destabilized by continuing to use "Recommands" to try and outsmart the system admin.It's a backwards incompatible change and breaks many RPM's for recompilation to older operating systems. I'm afraid that dnf is suffering the same creeping featuritis that systemd suffers from.

      The switch to python 3 as the default is also in progress, which is a good idea but is destabilizing a lot of stable, older python programs which are not python 3 compatible.

    2. Re:Exciting? by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The switch to python 3 as the default is also in progress, which is a good idea but is destabilizing a lot of stable, older python programs which are not python 3 compatible.

      Do we need to give them another decade to get Python 3 compatibility in place? I could see how just ten short years to make these changes might be rushing things a bit.

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    3. Re:Exciting? by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

      I've looked at this myself. There is no chance of making old Python 2 code compatible with Python 3, especially older and unmaintained code, even if it is stable. Upgrading all python code in Fedora to be Python 3 based is possible, though it's a long-term upgrade effortt than just one Fedora release. I'd be curious about when Python 2 will be abandoned and attempts to publish packages with both python2 and python3 versions will end.

    4. Re:Exciting? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Python 2 upstream EOL is 2 years away. The "2to3" script does a pretty large part of the conversion effort for most codebases to switch to python3.

    5. Re:Exciting? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      2020 is when upstream will stop maintaining Python 2 and many distributions will most likely follow. There is even a nice clock: https://pythonclock.org/

    6. Re:Exciting? by Eravnrekaree · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not having backward compatability with yourself does not inspire confidence in a language. There is really no excuse for it. Why not just have a python 2 compiler that compiles for the Python 3 VM. There is really no excuse for not having backward compatability and for a fork for 3.

    7. Re:Exciting? by tonique · · Score: 1

      It's as exciting as waiting for the next flare-up of inflammatory bowel disease.

    8. Re:Exciting? by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Like Ubuntu there are spinoffs with Mate and I think Cinnamon.

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    9. Re:Exciting? by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      It like Windows XP. It will never go away

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    10. Re:Exciting? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Python 2->3 isn't just a matter of grepping for a few deprecated codewords and function names and switching the order of a few parameters. It's basically a rewrite in a new language.

      Just because someone released some code years ago doesn't mean they are interested in rewriting it in the language-du-jour.

  3. Gnome? Nigga, please! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If I knew anyone who got excited about Gnome, I'd see that they got psychiatric help.

    Gnome is an abomination, a blot, a stain upon Free Software and Open Source.

  4. What a crap article by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 4, Informative

    Release announcement.

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  5. Exciting gnome .. by aliquis · · Score: 2

    Yeah.. gnome.. 3 .. .28. Exciting.

    Window managers got much less exciting when they tried to look like Windows 95.

    KDE 3 seemed somewhat exciting and I haven't used either for long so I shouldn't really comment but .. I guess I wouldn't have much reason to be excited.

    1. Re:Exciting gnome .. by hduff · · Score: 1

      KDE 3 seemed somewhat exciting and I haven't used either for long so I shouldn't really comment but .. I guess I wouldn't have much reason to be excited.

      I really liked KDE1, 2 and 3. I bailed on KDE4 and went to LXDE. That does what I want, gives me what I need and doesn't mess with me.

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    2. Re:Exciting gnome .. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Personally, I care about functionality a lot more than looks.

      I would have said "in any case, you can change the look easily", but these days you can't because GTK3 is a piece of shit.

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    3. Re:Exciting gnome .. by jon3k · · Score: 1

      The most interesting things are happening in the world of tiling window managers in my opinion. While that subreddit isn't exclusively for tiling window managers, it can give you an idea of some of the customization and personalization that's possible with both the look and the configuration/usability of these window managers.

  6. Re:Fuck Fedora by Stormwatch · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    It seems she shot her boyfriend. Fun fact: women commit more domestic violence against men than the other way around.

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  7. perhaps correlated with RHEL 8? by nimbius · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Heres the RHEL 8 alpha branch for anaconda
    https://github.com/rhinstaller...
    As well as the commit activity...
    https://github.com/rhinstaller...

    What are the chances of a Redhat Enterprise Linux 8 release this year?

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  8. Re:Fuck Fedora by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fun face: The internet is full of idiots just like you.

    An estimated 9.7% of women and 2.3% of men have been stalked by an intimate partner during their lifetime. (CDC, 2017)
    1 in 4 women and 1 in 7 men will experience severe physical violence by an intimate partner in their lifetime. (CDC, 2017)
    Approximately 16.9% of women and 8.0% of men will experience sexual violence other than rape by an intimate partner at some point in their lifetime. (CDC, 2010)

    PS. Talk is cheap. Show me your numbers!

  9. Re:Gnome? Nigga, please! by youngone · · Score: 2

    So what's the story with Gnome then?
    I'm really not trolling, and I prefer Cinnamon myself, but both Ubuntu and Redhat make Gnome their default desktop, and they must have some idea what they're doing, surely?
    I just can't see why they would push it if their users hate it so much. And yet I am yet to see much love for Gnome anywhere.

  10. Re:Fuck Fedora by ChrisMaple · · Score: 2

    Men generally don't report, so the numbers are intrinsically unavailable.

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  11. But what about Systemd? by Chas · · Score: 0, Troll

    Is the distro still using that trainwreck of an MCP (systemd)? Yes.
    Will I use any Linux distro that's been infected with systemd? No.

    I wouldn't even shit on Fedora, thought it meant a ruptured colon...

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    1. Re:But what about Systemd? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1/ Don't use systemd
      2/ Stop fucking whining constantly about something you don't use.

      Every Linux thread (and half the non-Linux threads) are infested with systemd whingers. Use *BSD, use Devuan, whatever. Just stop the constant whining.

    2. Re:But what about Systemd? by Chas · · Score: 1

      Maybe there's a real, concrete reason for the complaints.

      Especially when the software in question has infested multiple major distros and wormed its way into other software packages...

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    3. Re:But what about Systemd? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope, there is no concrete reason for the complaints. Go use another distro, and shut the fuck up about "wah wah, I don't like systemd."

      I for one am incredibly happy for pulseaudio, systemd, gnome 3, and all of the other trigger words that throw you whiners into a temper tantrum.

      The beauty of FOSS is .... don't use it if you don't want to. Go make your own distro if you care that much.

  12. Re:Gnome? Nigga, please! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So what's the story with Gnome then?

    Gnome was started by Miguel de Icaza a Microsoft MVP Award winner. [ source: wikipedia]. There are probably other Microsoft trolls involved in its development - or lack thereof.

  13. Re:Gnome? Nigga, please! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think it comes down to, a lot of people don't like the design choices made in GNOME 3. Compared to GNOME 2 and GNOME 1, the GNOME 3 desktop looks quite different. You can see screenshots at Wikipedia.

    I'm not a big fan of GNOME Shell (GNOME 3) but I don't hate it. I think once they did usability testing, the interface got a lot better. The only thing that stands out for me these days is how they put various controls on the Header bar - which is okay when it's a few controls, but some developers like to put a lot of stuff in the Header bar.