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Facebook CEO Says Not Planning To Extend European Privacy Law Globally (reuters.com)

Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg said on Tuesday that the social network had no immediate plans to apply a strict new European Union law on data privacy in its entirety to the rest of the world. The news comes as Facebook reels from a scandal over its handling of personal information of millions of its users. Reuters reports: Zuckerberg told Reuters in a phone interview that Facebook already complies with many parts of the law ahead of its implementation in May. He said the company wanted to extend privacy guarantees worldwide in spirit, but would make exceptions, which he declined to describe. His comments signals that U.S. Facebook users, many of them still angry over the company's handling of personal information, may soon find themselves in a worse position than Europeans. The European law, called the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR), is the biggest overhaul of online privacy since the birth of the internet, giving Europeans the right to know what data is stored on them and the right to have it deleted. Asked what parts of the EU law he would not extend worldwide, Zuckerberg said: "We're still nailing down details on this, but it should directionally be, in spirit, the whole thing." He did not elaborate.

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  1. Zuck my dick by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Facebook must die.

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    1. Re:Zuck my dick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Facebook must die.

      Self regulation must die as an economic doctrine.
      Regulate the fuck out of these monsters. +1000 for the Europeans. Lets see the Orangutan and his court do something useful for the american people for once.

  2. Of course by uvajed_ekil · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Facebook CEO Says Not Planning To Extend European Privacy Law Globally"
    Business as usual. Zuckerberg likes to come out and talk about how FB cares and wants the best for humanity, but in reality they consistently put the company's survival first and do the bare minimum for the rest of us. That's how huge companies become huge companies and stay in business, so this shouldn't come as a shock.

    Zuckerberg seems like a decent enough chap but he's out of his depth running such a big, pervasive company, and he doesn't even realize it. Hard to fault him, but hard to trust him.

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    1. Re:Of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      All such companies are built on a model where they make money by inserting themselves in a system and positioning as the broker bringing value to two entities: the end user (facebook social media as we know it), and their customers (advertisement agencies). There is no "decent chap" altruism here IMHO except may be the usual billionaire wants to get remembered for the good he did. Nothing wrong, but nothing new. If Facebook can avoid the Privacy Laws it will. Because it hurts its bottom-line. Not for any other reason. And so does any other company. Atruistic messages such as "Do no evil" are marketing slogans wanting to reflect a moral facade that gets tossed when interest is in play.

    2. Re:Of course by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      Translation: We'll get away with as much as we can, wherever we can

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  3. No shit Sherlock by rsilvergun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    if you want these kinds of protections in the States you're gonna have to start voting people in who believe in government regulation. As it stands the party in charge of our 3 branches of government has opposing government regulation as a central plank of it's party platform.

    That said, a lot of folks don't care for the regulations; since after all they either don't use Facebook or feel confident they can control their data themselves. e.g. let the free market sort it out.

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  4. Privacy by sit1963nz · · Score: 2

    Privacy is an anathema to Facebook. The whole reason for facebook to exist is to gather as much information about everyone they can and sell that information to whom ever is willing to pay for it.

    He may have lost ground in the EU, but he will be doubling down on the rest of the world, and raking as much as he can off the top personally.
    Facebook will eventually die but Zuc will still be a very wealthy man.

  5. Multinationals Only Ones With Your Data by glennrrr · · Score: 3

    After taking my corporate training on the European privacy law, I can say that only multinationals will have the legal departments and resources able to so much as keep a copy of their user's email addresses. I am concerned that I'm going to have to suspend email support for my side apps. I really really can't pay a 10M Euro fine for the $100 a year I make in app sales to Europe. I don't have a dedicated privacy officer; there's only me writing apps. My apps don't even collect any data, but I do give out my email address so people do write me. If that's what you want. Only large multinationals able to make software that keeps track of a user's private data; that's what you are getting in Europe.

    1. Re:Multinationals Only Ones With Your Data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      EU authorities are not interested in imposing large fines for single developers or even SMEs unless you're doing something really large scale or incredibly stupid. Those big fines are intended for the Facebooks and the Equifaxes of the world given the large scope of data that they collect and the harm that may be caused as a result of their (mal)practices.

      It'd be worth learning directly from the regulators themselves on what they're looking for from small businesses:
      http://ec.europa.eu/justice/smedataprotect/index_en.htm

    2. Re:Multinationals Only Ones With Your Data by Jahta · · Score: 2

      After taking my corporate training on the European privacy law, I can say that only multinationals will have the legal departments and resources able to so much as keep a copy of their user's email addresses. I am concerned that I'm going to have to suspend email support for my side apps. I really really can't pay a 10M Euro fine for the $100 a year I make in app sales to Europe. I don't have a dedicated privacy officer; there's only me writing apps. My apps don't even collect any data, but I do give out my email address so people do write me. If that's what you want. Only large multinationals able to make software that keeps track of a user's private data; that's what you are getting in Europe.

      The maximum fine under GDPR is 4% of annual turnover; so in the unlikely event that that you were ever prosecuted your fine would be $25 (based on your $100 business). If you are simply replying to user emails, GDPR is unlikely to impact you at all. Even if you are maintaining a register of your customers, GDPR in essence just means (a) only holding personal data that is absolutely required for the business relationship, (b) ensuring your customers know what data you are holding and consent to it, (c) keeping the data secure (and reporting any security breaches), and (d) deleting the data if they stop being customers.

    3. Re:Multinationals Only Ones With Your Data by Xest · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "After taking my corporate training on the European privacy law"

      Oh dear, it sounds awfully like your employer bought the services of one of those parasite companies that has been fear mongering over GDPR in their training sessions so that they can sell you their other services to help you be GDPR compliant.

      I had the misfortune of trying to find out what our obligations were in a few areas under GDPR, I read various articles online all contradicting each other, then I went and just read the legislation. Turns out my obligations are minimal compared to what the shit peddlers are trying to flog with their fear mongering.

      If you're not collecting any PII you don't need a dedicated privacy officer. If people send you personal info all you have to do is make sure you delete it after an appropriate amount of time (which most major mail clients support), store it securely, such as in an encrypted mail store (which most major mail clients support), provide people the data you have on them whilst being able to charge them for the privilege and can be as simple as forwarding their e-mails with PII in right back at them whilst making a profit on the effort, and being able to tell people their data has been stolen if you are hacked, which is just a case of loading up your mailbox backup after the fact and bulk mailing everyone in your PII folder to let them know.

      This is hardly a burden, this isn't far removed from how the vast majority of people manage their e-mail day to day anyway.

      If you're only making $100 a year in Europe it doesn't sound like you actually have a European presence anyway, so if it's that much of a burden it's hardly a loss anyway, so I don't really see the problem. The cost of complying with GDPR for small businesses is clearly negligible though either way beyond the negligible time cost of setting up a few filters and automatic backup in Outlook or whatever - again, something any sane business owner is likely to be doing anyway.

  6. Good luck with that Zuck... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    GDPR effectively applies to the whole world, unless a company decides they do not want to operate in the EU. For Facebook, not operating in the EU would probably mean blocking all EU IP addresses (and probably email addresses by domain as well) and warning all new users that they are not allowed to use FB from the EU. Thatâ(TM)s not going to happen, so FB will need to comply.

    If a US citizen is traveling in the EU for 10 days or more, GDPR applies. There are a number of other cases like this where it becomes impractical to try to treat EU and non-EU users differently.

    There are many different ways a company can end up in violation of GDPR. Penalties are 4% of annual global turnover or â20 Million which ever is greater. For FB, Iâ(TM)m pretty sure it would be the 4%. Ouch!

    The fact that Zuck is making statements like this now means that he is either stupid and didnâ(TM)t talk to his legal team first or more likely FB has been ignoring this issue and will be caught with their pants down shortly.

    There is no excuse for FB being so clueless about GDPR this late in the game. The rest of the industry has been frantically prepairing for many months.

    1. Re:Good luck with that Zuck... by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      It's simple hubris. I got away with it in the past, why worry about it in the future?

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  7. What kind of retarded question is that? by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    Why do you ask Facebook if they would apply the privacy laws used against them in areas where they don't have to? That's like asking a criminal if he's not going to rob a home in areas where robbery is legal.

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  8. Re:"complies with many parts of the law" by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    Try that as your defense.

    "Your honor, I did comply with many parts of the law. I did not kill, maim, threaten or cause other bodily harm to the absent couple when I broke into their home".

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  9. GDPR is awesome by Cederic · · Score: 2

    Until May there's a 10 quid charge for making a subject access request. From May that charge goes away, you can make them for free.

    So I'll be writing to Facebook, and Twitter, and Google, and the credit agencies, and a few other organisations and demanding all of my data from them.

    Then I'll be writing to Facebook, and Twitter, (etc), and inviting them to delete or correct all my data.

    After that, because it's free, I'll be writing to them all again to request a copy of my data. At this point either changes will have been made or I start making money.

    It's lovely.