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Three Execs Get Prison Time For Pirating Oracle Firmware & Solaris OS Update (bleepingcomputer.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Three of four TERiX executives were sentenced to prison yesterday for a scheme through which they created three fake companies to pirate Oracle firmware patches and Solaris OS updates. By doing this, the execs avoided paying a per-server fee for every Oracle product their company serviced, instead paying for one patch/update alone.

Court documents show that Oracle was aware of the scheme and eventually connected the dots between the fake companies and TERiX when one of the execs downloaded files from Oracle's servers via one of the fake company's accounts from a TERiX IP address. Oracle filed a complaint with the FBI, but also a civil suit. A judge awarded Oracle damages last year totaling $57.423 million. The judge also barred TERiX from servicing Oracle products.

119 comments

  1. what is Oracle? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First time seeing this here

    1. Re:what is Oracle? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's just what we call your mom when we're face banging her. You know, because she can see us coming.

    2. Re: what is Oracle? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wasn't aware you are into necrophilia. You weirdos are in the same league with earth worms

    3. Re:what is Oracle? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Terix web site looks like something straight out of the mid-90s. Who the fuck would trust these people to service their computers in the first place?

    4. Re: what is Oracle? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      how fresh?

      'moldy oldy' for me, there are a few 'gooey louie' fans on slash

    5. Re: what is Oracle? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slasherdot

  2. Jailtime, another great reason to avoid oracle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Seriously, now I need to go get an insurance policy to pay out if Oracle sticks me with criminal charges? Sounds like this should have been purely a civil matter.

    1. Re: Jailtime, another great reason to avoid oracle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or just don't steal.

    2. Re:Jailtime, another great reason to avoid oracle by gravewax · · Score: 1

      Probably would have been a civil matter if they were stealing the patches for themselves, Once you start reselling you have well and truly crossed the line into criminal matters.

    3. Re: Jailtime, another great reason to avoid oracle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      even if you are using the software to fix things the author sold with bugs in the first place?

      why would anyone do business with Oracle or any other company with this business model? I would expect no bugs or free patches asap.

    4. Re: Jailtime, another great reason to avoid oracle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Its Oracle's business model: Sell defective product, and then sell fixes for it.

      However, the fixes are also defective, so you have to buy more. How else do you think uncle Larry got such a big yacht?

      Seriously, if the American legal system was on a par with a second rate, third world country, Larry and his crew-mates would be in jail, not people fixing the duff kit he sells.

      Making America Garbage Again

    5. Re: Jailtime, another great reason to avoid oracle by gravewax · · Score: 1

      even if you are using the software to fix things the author sold with bugs in the first place?

      why would anyone do business with Oracle or any other company with this business model? I would expect no bugs or free patches asap.

      yes Even if. fraud is fraud no matter how immoral the individual/company is you are commiting fraud against. If you think Oracle is the devil (won't argue with that) then DON'T FUCKING DO BUSINESS WITH THEM. It isn't like they make anything that has no alternatives to them.

  3. I'd like to be a fly on the wall in cell block D by JoeyRox · · Score: 5, Funny

    TERiX CEO: So, what are you in for?

    Cellmate: I stabbed my mother to death, then fed her remains to a pack of coyotes that live in my neighborhood. And you?

    TERiX CEO: I gave away firmware and OS software patches without paying the necessary service royalties to Oracle.

  4. Should have just defrauded pensioners by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 2

    Fake billing old people is a much safer crime.

  5. Sun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Used to be free. I remember the file names were something like Update_9.tar.gz or something like that. They all had the same file name for any given OS.

  6. I mean, they profited off of it. by karmaceutical · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think there is a difference between profiting off of distributing pirated software, as this was the case, and normal piracy (especially media piracy). I'm not upset with this outcome.

    1. Re: I mean, they profited off of it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Guess you are the typical snowflake who thinks that nobody should be punished for "non violent" crimes.

    2. Re: I mean, they profited off of it. by Type44Q · · Score: 0

      Mod up if you're a fucking mouth-breather.

    3. Re: I mean, they profited off of it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod up if you're a fucking mouth-breather.

      So non-virgin fat people with breathing issues? Humans should be nose breathers. I have a spare cpap machine if you need one.

    4. Re: I mean, they profited off of it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Problem is that there are more of the one than the other.

    5. Re: I mean, they profited off of it. by RealityGone · · Score: 1

      Yes hard prison time for non violent offenders seeking a profit. Clearly you are right here /snark

      Do you think fraud should not be a crime? I mean this case all sounds a bit stupid because Oracle's business model has always been ruthless and focused on selling consultation services after the customer pays through the nose for the licenses. Which is never nice. (I don't like Oracle personally and would never want to use their products. Because of price and because I usually just don't like the software either.) But did the Telerix's clients now have to go spend more money to get legitimate licenses for their servers? After paying a bunch of money to this terrible firm engaged in illegal practices. Oracle sucks but they may not be the only victim here.

    6. Re:I mean, they profited off of it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm ok with this outcome too. Dealing with Oracle is a deal with the devil- more importantly, this level of conspiracy to violate copyright goes well beyond anything that happens normally. This is actually one of the cases where copyright law makes sense.

      Ok, now I'll justify posting as AC- you throw around a word like "fascist", so lets assume you are a commie. In commie terms, these guys don't have personal property, they have private property- the machines they were updating were used to generate revenue and provide industry. It's reasonable for them to pay for this from apparently the most evil tech company standing, and not worth their time to do any of: support a less evil company, solve it a different way such as their own proprietary software, or pay a free software developer to solve it for them and simultaneously advance the industry. Nobody should want them to get away with this: if they got away with this, future people faced with this choice will be less likely to seek communal solutions, and more likely to find ways to take stuff for free.

    7. Re: I mean, they profited off of it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try replacing "snowflake" with "rational and logical public administrator"

      The GP is a specific Slashdot SJW who is so deeply offended by the term "snowflake" that s/he tries in vain to subvert its meaning by using it basically for whatever s/he doesn't like. Sounds totally pathetical, even when the underlying POV is somewhat valid.

    8. Re: I mean, they profited off of it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wah wah

    9. Re: I mean, they profited off of it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try replacing "snowflake" with "rational and logical public administrator"

      Rational? If Oracle peddle defective sw and charge two arms and a leg for patches - then the logical thing to do is not to pirate the patches. The logical choice is to ditch Oracle - because they have nothing that anyone really depend on. Plenty of other databases. And yes, switching db and all the support sw running on top of it is nowhere near 'free', even if you switch to an open-sourced db. It might still be cheaper than sending more money to Oracle though. Yearly support costs add up, and 5 years could pay for a nice big one-time rewrite.

    10. Re: I mean, they profited off of it. by Brockmire · · Score: 1

      Whoosh

    11. Re:I mean, they profited off of it. by gravewax · · Score: 1

      really why? these guys weren't just thieves/pirates, they were intentionally taking the goods to sell on fraudulently to others, I would have an ounce of sympathy for them if they were just trying to save some money on their patching. They got everything they deserve.

    12. Re:I mean, they profited off of it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing is taken. It was copied and shared. Yeah, they screwed up by demanding money, but we have the right to copy and share. To hell with your capricious and arbitrary bureaucratic bullshit! We just need to make it harder to track and shut down. USENET could use a nice upgrade with more decentralization etc. We just need something that works and end the stupid argument.

    13. Re:I mean, they profited off of it. by gravewax · · Score: 1

      It wasn't shared, IT WAS SOLD. no ifs or buts, they would not share it with you unless you paid them. these guys were as big a scumbags as Oracle.

    14. Re:I mean, they profited off of it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what?! No one died, or even broke a nail. No one was assaulted. No weapon was used. You're just a bunch of bed wetting rent collecting ninnies! Quit yer bellyachin'! This is why the law deserves no respect! And until there is justice it never will!

  7. Re: I'd like to be a fly on the wall in cell block by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Not CEO, just EO - cannon fodder.

  8. Never steal from the Mafia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If you steal from the Oracle you get hurt.

    1. Re:Never steal from the Mafia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Fix Oracle's bugs for them and get jailed.

      This is roughly the same as an independent mechanic fixing Ford manufacturing defects and Ford having them jailed.

      We are currently using PostgreSQL on T series Sparc64 successfully. Next time round, its ARM servers for us.

    2. Re:Never steal from the Mafia by mdhoover · · Score: 1

      Same (PostgreSQL/PostGIS on T4) though after having to maintain my own libxml IPS package fixing the solaris one
      (missing global symbol for _xmlStructuredErrorHandler on threaded builds using solaris default) for _years_.

      Bug fixed in solaris-userland for over a year (I have been lobbying them to fix it for AGES), but still not in S11 SRU updates :(
      (I often wondered if they left it as a hidden symbol JUST to screw with PostgreSQL builds/installs)

      Regardless, if you are running oracle hardware, you should damn well have a hardware support contract (or you are an idiot), the OS patches and updates come with the deal.

    3. Re: Never steal from the Mafia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reading your post triggered my Oracle PTSD. I could deal with it when they were still Sun, but couldn't stand it when Oracle did their typical bastardization of everything. It was difficult to explain these sorts of issues to the customers we supported and ended up having to port our software over to both another platform and architecture to "get out."

  9. What the *Bleep*? by rsilvergun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This gets prison time? The entire US Economy was crashed in 2008 by people lying about the value of derivatives and _this_ is what we send people to jail for?

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    1. Re:What the *Bleep*? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Nobody cares if you hurt the poors. What are they gonna do, get *angry*? Oh no, poor people are mad, woe is me. Hell, we've even graduated to killing them in broad daylight and nobody does shit. Neat country, this.

    2. Re:What the *Bleep*? by snookiex · · Score: 1

      As long as you can afford to pay for an expensive enough group of lawyers to make it happen... What is really sad about this is that they could have used some of these $57.423 million to fund an open source project/startup to develop a replacement, but now I guess Larry will be buying another yacht.

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    3. Re:What the *Bleep*? by ArchieBunker · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The problem is what people did to fuck up the economy in 2008 wasn't illegal. He who has the gold makes the rules.

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    4. Re:What the *Bleep*? by FudRucker · · Score: 4, Informative

      RE:"The problem is what people did to fuck up the economy in 2008 wasn't illegal. He who has the gold makes the rules."

      bill clinton paved the way by repealing the Glass_Steagall act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... bill clinton basically allowed wallstreet investment banks to use people's private money to gamble with, the Glass Steagall act should be restored

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    5. Re:What the *Bleep*? by The+Evil+Atheist · · Score: 2

      Clinton? Don't you mean the Republican congress?

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    6. Re:What the *Bleep*? by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      Corporations are people. Money is free speech. And they are free to contribute to municipal, state and federal elections. I can only wonder how many direct attorneys received generous contributions from companies like Oracle.

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    7. Re:What the *Bleep*? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Republican Congress had to pass it, but Clinton had to sign it. Almost as if both parties are to blame; funny, that.

    8. Re:What the *Bleep*? by FudRucker · · Score: 1

      yup, exactly, they are all complicit and guilty of it

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    9. Re:What the *Bleep*? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      was it passed with sufficient votes to make it veto-proof? *could* it have been vetoed?

      what really shows who's in power is that, after 2008, there was no move to reimplement Glass Steagall. The reason why Dodd-Frank was so complicated was because they were trying to patch around the main problem, i.e. they should've reimplemented Glass Steagall

    10. Re:What the *Bleep*? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Last I checked, fraud was still classified as illegal.

    11. Re:What the *Bleep*? by Uberbah · · Score: 2

      was it passed with sufficient votes to make it veto-proof?

      Not relevant for a number of reasons:

      1) What a president signs, a president owns. See George H. W. Bush and "read my lips".

      2) The vote may have barely passed or even lost without the president whipping support for it

      3) Going back to #1, if a president vetos a bill and Congress overrides, then that's 100% on Congress.

    12. Re:What the *Bleep*? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The wealthy never lose. When they lose they just change the rules so they win again.

    13. Re:What the *Bleep*? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously? It passed the senate 90 to 8. There was no "President vetos a bill and Congress overrides". The president was already overridden. The bill had passed, that was it. Done

    14. Re:What the *Bleep*? by wierd_w · · Score: 2

      Do I need to pull out the youtube video were he waxes philosophical about how we don't need it anymore, or what?

      Oh fuck, here it is anyway. But go right on blaming the repub congress for this.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    15. Re:What the *Bleep*? by The+Evil+Atheist · · Score: 1

      Why didn't the Republican congress stop it then?

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    16. Re:What the *Bleep*? by Uberbah · · Score: 2

      It passed the senate 90 to 8.

      Still not relevant for the same reason's I'll copy and paste since you ignored each of them:

      1) What a president signs, a president owns. See George H. W. Bush and "read my lips".

      2) The vote may have barely passed or even lost without the president whipping support for it

      3) Going back to #1, if a president vetos a bill and Congress overrides, then that's 100% on Congress.

      Who owns Taft-Hartley? Republicans, because they overrode Truman's veto.

    17. Re:What the *Bleep*? by wierd_w · · Score: 2

      Because they wanted it too. (Honestly-- do people really not understand that money grubbing corruption is not an exclusive to republicans?)

    18. Re:What the *Bleep*? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Has Slashdot intelligence gone into the toilet completely? These people were engaged in a PAID for profit activity. Where they licensed one or two servers to get access to Oracle support, and then resold that access for hundreds or thousands of servers. This is not a case of someone sharing their Netflix account. They created a company that was based on theft.

    19. Re: What the *Bleep*? by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Oracle is one of those companies that will make me smile when they die. In fact I will help stab. Et tu phantom? Oh hell yes. I won't twist the knife.

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    20. Re:What the *Bleep*? by The+Evil+Atheist · · Score: 1

      Then why did you only blame Clinton? Clinton was one democrat.

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    21. Re:What the *Bleep*? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... the Glass Steagall act should be restored

      Not enough. Not by a long shot.

    22. Re:What the *Bleep*? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody cares if you hurt the poors. What are they gonna do, get *angry*?

      Yes, angry. And to get more profit in years to come, you hurt a lot more poors every year. What happens next is called 'a revolution', made easier by a right to bear arms in order to overthrow defective government.

      Revolutionaries are simpletons with crude punishments like filling camps (or mass graves) with _everyone_ from a certain class. Social class, race, religion, job description, party affiliation - whoever they think held them down in the past. Rarely improves the situation much, but they sure get to dish out some punishment before order slowly restores itself.

  10. Re:I'd like to be a fly on the wall in cell block by dgatwood · · Score: 3, Funny

    TERiX CEO: So, what are you in for?

    Cellmate: I stabbed my mother to death, then fed her remains to a pack of coyotes that live in my neighborhood. And you?

    TERiX CEO: I gave away firmware and OS software patches without paying the necessary service royalties to Oracle.

    Cellmate: Man, and I thought I was evil.

    FTFY.

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  11. Re:I'd like to be a fly on the wall in cell block by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    only if you do money laundering you go that place. In the other one more like

    I ripped off A bunch of old people with my phone scam

  12. Kiss my ass Oracle. by nbritton · · Score: 0

    Yet one more reason why I won't do business with Oracle. These updates and firmware use to be free, now they're throwing people in prison because they got free updates that fixed Oracle's shitty products. Screw HPE too... Dell still offers free unencumbered firmware updates.

    1. Re:Kiss my ass Oracle. by haruchai · · Score: 2

      Yet one more reason why I won't do business with Oracle. These updates and firmware use to be free, now they're throwing people in prison because they got free updates that fixed Oracle's shitty products. Screw HPE too... Dell still offers free unencumbered firmware updates.

      Cisco pulls the same shit; no active maintenance contract on the hardware or software means no updates / fixes for you.

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    2. Re:Kiss my ass Oracle. by swb · · Score: 1

      I keep thinking that eventually security patching will be a legal requirement, but I can't quite decide whether it will go so far as to require vendors to make security patches available for free.

      I'm sure companies would howl and try to block such a requirement, but there may be counter-arguments that say you can't compel people to install patches that they can't afford, either, so any requirement to be patched probably would coincide with some level of free security patch access.

      It's obvious that fees for patches are just cheap ways to push up profits, especially firmware patches (I'd argue 1/3 or more of all hardware reaches retirement with as-shipped firmware).

      Non-security bug fixes are more compelling as fee-for-service, although only in as much as vendors play games with version numbering and features, blurring the line between fixing what they sold you that doesn't work and adding a feature you didn't pay for up front.

  13. If you cannot afford by jmccue · · Score: 2

    If you cannot afford to pay for Oracle firmware, say to them "I have n customers on Oracle, how about I get these patches for free or I will go to SQLServer, DB/2, postfix, mariadb etc...". And just work the deal

    1. Re:If you cannot afford by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if you can't afford to get the patches, you certainly can't afford to migrate.

    2. Re:If you cannot afford by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Are you sure? These payments for the right to eat poop tend to be pretty large.

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    3. Re:If you cannot afford by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you mean Postgres. Postfix is a mail transfer agent.

    4. Re:If you cannot afford by StormReaver · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And just work the deal

      Or even better, do what we did: Tell Oracle to fuck off, and move everything to PostgreSQL.

    5. Re:If you cannot afford by gravewax · · Score: 2

      To be fair these guys were downloading them and then reselling them, they were not just patching their servers for free. They are as big a shitbags as ORacle themselves

    6. Re:If you cannot afford by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *THIS* +1000

    7. Re:If you cannot afford by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've clearly never seen a bill from Oracle.

    8. Re:If you cannot afford by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see this sentiment alot. It's not a matter of affordability. The question is if your programmers good enough to port the code to a similar environment or if they're clowns. There's nothing Oracle has that SQL Server doesn't. Yes, it may take a year to copy all of the SQL, change the handful of functions they named differently (ISNULL vs IFNULL), and test it. Unless you're directly calling into Oracle's DLLs, that's it. People need to stop hiring Indians that don't know anything and assuming nobody else can do better.

    9. Re:If you cannot afford by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is the possibility, that Terix were making their customers liable for similar damages.
       
      For $57.423 million, it would have been much easier to hire competent citizens of the U.S. and its allies to create, develop, and then sell for profit (and for less even than Oracle does) an alternative and better solution.

    10. Re:If you cannot afford by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We did the same thing. Best money we never spent. ;)

  14. Stupid move for Oracle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That will just further alienate Oracle's customers and hasten the demise of Solaris and SPARC

    1. Re: Stupid move for Oracle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am surprised. I th

    2. Re:Stupid move for Oracle by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2

      That will just further alienate Oracle's customers and hasten the demise of Solaris and SPARC

      Come on. This is Oracle we are talking about. Like MS before them their customers are on lockin with P-SQL specific code and financial stuff they can't get rid of. Why bother to be nice?

    3. Re:Stupid move for Oracle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I don't like Oracle, so stealing from them is OK." Great sense of morality you have there moron.

  15. Amazingly bad publicity? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hmm..

    When I was eight-year-old, we lived in a large hut made of uncooked brick, seven siblings of us plus our father, our mother, an aunt and three cousins.
    One week-end our dad set up a rogue Windows Update server to proxy our updates on the LAN, WSUS something, but without paying for the Windows Server 2003 or 2008 license. The next couple of weeks allowed us actual Windows XP security while saving a lot of Internet bandwith among our computers. It was great. We celebrated with a tournament of 4-player MS Hearts, which had become a little goofy ritual after our dad introduced us to 10BaseT networking.

    Two weeks after, five or six warlords equipped with machetes and AKs made irruption and massacred every single member of my family, as I was hiding behind a couch.
    The amount of blood was so breathtaking. I never thought blood would pool that way, even LAN battles and co-op with Glquake and Winquake didn't prepare me, and the mud floor was vainly trying to soak it.
    You can only imagine how life-changing and horrifying this event was. But life is life. It taught me many a lesson. But no matter the hardship, you gotta follow software licenses and copyright law to the letter. I am glad in a way my family was executed, even if I suffered obviously a decade of squalor.

    1. Re: Amazingly bad publicity? by kenh · · Score: 1

      Your littlr story is cute, but has nothing to do with the crime comitted.

      The company in question took Sun/Oracle updates that require customers to pay Sun/Oracle for and SOLD them to hundreds of clients as if they were selling legal copies bought from Sun/oracle.

      Kinda like walking into a record store and buying records pressed while-you-wait from bootlegs.

      I can't wait to hear what Oracle does to all the company's clients without support contracts.

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    2. Re: Amazingly bad publicity? by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Your littlr story is cute, but has nothing to do with the crime comitted.

      The company in question took Sun/Oracle updates that require customers to pay Sun/Oracle for and SOLD them to hundreds of clients as if they were selling legal copies bought from Sun/oracle.

      Kinda like walking into a record store and buying records pressed while-you-wait from bootlegs.

      I can't wait to hear what Oracle does to all the company's clients without support contracts.

      Quite easy. Send their lawyers over with scary threatening letters of injunctions to shutdown all the illegal Oracle Servers ... unless of course they sign a contract with no discount of course plus a legal fee surcharge for having to pay the lawyers to threaten you.

  16. Re: Jailtime, another great reason to avoid oracl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    yeah, commercial software is a theft. Use FOSS.

  17. Oracle is more evil than MS by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2

    I have been saying this for a few years now ever since the Java lawsuit against Google that no one is a bigger threat to innovation, FOSS, and software development freedom than Oracle.

    Their products suck, buggy, ultra expensive, and require contracts which are leased rather than rented with SAAS with all sorts of stipulations.

    MS on the other hand is moving in the other direction but still have a ways to go. Windows being free for non commercial use is one example and unlike Oracle their products are at least improving. Oracle is going the other way around and throwing people in jail who want a bug fix.

    The most outdated shit requiring insecure IE and ancient versions of Windows on desktops is all because of fucking Oracle because they charge an arm and a leg to upgrade so Java6 (last employer) is still being used with customer financial data all because Oracle wants to charge too much money to upgrade that the cost accountants won't pay. .... end rant

    1. Re:Oracle is more evil than MS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've never heard of having to pay to upgrade Java. Could you explain this a little please?

  18. Re: I'd like to be a fly on the wall in cell block by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actual CEO. There's a Bloomberg profile on this guy.

  19. Why are they not catching them Chinese? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My president told me that the Chinese stole our technology, and when I read the headline I thought they have caught 3 fucking Chinese scum and have thrown them into the slammer.

    How disappointed I am when I saw their names CEO Bernd Appleby with executives Sevanna, Summit, and Wex

    None of them were Chinese !!

    Why are they catching and punishing Americans for the crime my President told me the fucking Chinese are doing to us??

    1. Re: Why are they not catching them Chinese? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chinese weren't suckers to sign abusive intellectual property trade agreements with the usa, so no jurisdiction there, buba

    2. Re: Why are they not catching them Chinese? by Brockmire · · Score: 1

      Sounds like the cast of a porno.

    3. Re:Why are they not catching them Chinese? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only a fool thinks the US has power over China. For proof of who has power over who, see:The Korean War.

  20. Re:I'd like to be a fly on the wall in cell block by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They won't encounter anyone like that. These execs will be placed in with similar offense criminals. They don't pile petty and white collar criminals in with the murderers and rapists.

    Their director of sales only got one day, so he wouldn't even go to prison, just jail.

  21. A lot of it was by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    you can't lie about investments. There was tons of shady crap going on to hide the fact that those derivatives were made up of worthless loans to people who were bound to default. Most of the really bad loans were to house flippers and the like who had no incentive to keep the properties since they didn't live in them.

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  22. Bill Clinton was a Republican by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    who ran as a Democrat. He moved the Democratic party hard right so he could forge an alliance of economically right wing social librals and so he could get that sweet sweet Wallstreet money. The worst thing is that when he moved the Dems to the right the Rs had to follow suit in order to maintain their identity. That's how we got crazy shit like the Tea Partiers (well that and a ton of money from the Koch Bros.)

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  23. Re: Jailtime, another great reason to avoid oracl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They made the software unavailable for everyone else and deleted the originals from Oracle's servers?

    Fuck me, they're some good hackers.

  24. Lets Throw the Java Programmers in With Them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Using such a crappy language ought to be a crime too.

  25. Re: Jailtime, another great reason to avoid oracl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Too soon"
    I used to deal with oracle crap.
    Perhaps one day I will see the funny side of this

  26. Re:I'd like to be a fly on the wall in cell block by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess you haven't been their and haven't seen over crowding, they got you brainwashed good.

  27. Oracle should goto jail.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For withholding firmware fixes and OS updates that fixes security holes that their incompetence but there. Gimme a fix or gimme a full refund!

  28. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  29. That's what you get ... by Qbertino · · Score: 1

    ... for skimping out on paying a little upfront for an independent IT consultant and some scripting jobs on a Linux/Postgres setup.

    Bottom line: Steer clear of Oracle. There is nothing Oracle can do that countless Foss stops can't do better and way cheaper.

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    We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
    1. Re:That's what you get ... by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      The Oracle DB running on (now) Oracle hardware, is the fastest DB on the planet, by orders of 1 or 2 magnitudes over any F/OSS DB.
      Only other old behemoths like DB2 or sybase come close to it.

      I guess you are only comparing mini DBs running on a PC.

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    2. Re:That's what you get ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please publish the performance numbers... It would help all of us make better decisions.

    3. Re:That's what you get ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I work at a large company with DB2, Oracle & SQL environments. Oracle is super chatty across datacenters and sucks for long distance stuff. Oracle licensing is a NIGHTMARE. All three of them have terrible licensing models actually, but oracle is especially expensive for seemingly no good reason. IMHO, DB2 gets you the best performance but probably the most difficult to manage, where SQL is definitely the easiest to manage but probably worst performance- with Oracle somewhere in between the two. IBM has lots of really cool data replication technologies like Global Mirror that have saved us in a jam more than once.

      Caption: Drinker

  30. my take on this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oracle should have just contacted them like a normal company and said stop that or we'll sue. And, then Terix would have cut it out and paid the license fees. In the long run, Oracle stood to make more than the court judgement from continued legitimate Terix business. But, Oracle is a litigation happy business and wanted to make an example of someone. All it does is convince me more to never use their software at all costs, and recommend my clients not to use them either. It isn't just this particular case either, they've been pretty dirty handed about Java and a number of other products as well. They aren't winning any hearts and minds with this stuff, and I think they don't care. The rest of us can tell you're a prick and don't care about your customers, Oracle.

  31. Re:I'd like to be a fly on the wall in cell block by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You don't know what you're talking about, boy. Real life isn't like your movies. They absolutely do not mix the minor criminals with the serious ones. They might have a pod full of blues with a couple of yellows or a pod full of yellows with a couple of reds, but they will never place blues in with reds or a couple of yellows in with a pod full of reds.

    Now go back to your video games and cartoons.

  32. Re:Bankrupted for the actions of 3 maybe 4 people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think that is what Oracle wanted, to set an example. Don't play by the rules and this could be your company.

    Bare in mind that the people responsible for this were the ones running the company, it isn't that unusual for the actions of the CEO to bankrupt the company.

    And yes, this is a good reason to completely avoid Oracle's software. And don't forget that ORACLE is an acronym for One Rich Asshole Called Larry Ellison.

  33. Dum basses by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    Look - you just can't do this kind of crap without greasing the palms of the necessary politicians.

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  34. why not to use Oracle by NynexNinja · · Score: 1

    This is a good case of why not to use Oracle, use MySQL or Postgres

    1. Re:why not to use Oracle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who do you think owns MySQL now?

    2. Re:why not to use Oracle by pi_rules · · Score: 1

      If you want to stay away from Oracle MySQL is a bad choice. They own it.

      MariaDB on the other hand...

  35. Re:I'd like to be a fly on the wall in cell block by mysidia · · Score: 1

    Cellmate 2: I ran youtube-dl to download the latest Britney Spears song
      and shared it with my friends.

  36. Re:I'd like to be a fly on the wall in cell block by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cellmate 3: (stabs oracle cellmate to death with shards of a plastic spoon because he was showing weakness)

    Oh wait, were we playing "pretend prison"?

  37. Re:I'd like to be a fly on the wall in cell block by hjf · · Score: 1

    Bri-?..man you're old

  38. Re:I'd like to be a fly on the wall in cell block by mysidia · · Score: 1

    What if it was "Justin Bieber song " or "Taylor Swift song?"

  39. Oh, how I can't wait. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    TERiX CEO: So, what are you in for?

    Cellmate: I stabbed my mother to death, then fed her remains to a pack of coyotes that live in my neighborhood. And you?

    TERiX CEO: I gave away firmware and OS software patches without paying the necessary service royalties to Oracle.

    Cellmate #2: "Yeah, well, I colluded with the Russians to get voted into office."

  40. Re: Jailtime, another great reason to avoid orac by Brockmire · · Score: 1

    Your parents fucked up raising you. You are really fucking dumb if you think stealing only means a single, physical possession. Clearly, you don't have any ideas worth stealing nor have lived in the real world.

  41. The Sentences - from TFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "As the head of TERiX’s executive management team and 70 percent co-owner of the company, Appleby was responsible for all aspects of the business," US Attorney Glassman said. "He designed the conspiracy and its evolution over almost 10 years, and understood and directed all aspects of the criminal activity. As the scheme was uncovered, he instructed other company employees to devise ways to avoid detection."
    Name Title Sentence
    Bernd D. Appleby CEO and Founder 24 months in prison and two years of supervised release and ordered to pay a $100,000 fine
    James A. Olding COO and Founder 12 months and one day in prison, three years of supervised release and a $50,000 fine
    Lawrence E. Quinn Director of Sales One day in prison, two years of supervised release and a $5,000 fine
    Jason T. Joyce Director of Technical Services 24 months of probation and a $5,000 fine

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