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Hot-Air Dryers Suck In Nasty Bathroom Bacteria, Shoot Them At Your Hands (arstechnica.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: Hot-air dryers suck in bacteria and hardy bacterial spores loitering in the bathroom -- perhaps launched into the air by whooshing toilet flushes -- and fire them directly at your freshly cleaned hands, according to a study published in the April issue of Applied and Environmental Microbiology. The authors of the study, led by researchers at the University of Connecticut, found that adding HEPA filters to the dryers can reduce germ-spewing four-fold. However, the data hints that places like infectious disease research facilities and healthcare settings may just want to ditch the dryers and turn to trusty towels. Indeed, in the wake of the blustery study -- which took place in research facility bathrooms around UConn -- "paper towel dispensers have recently been added to all 36 bathrooms in basic science research areas in the UConn School of Medicine surveyed in the current study," the authors note. The researchers speculated that "one reason hand dryers may disperse so many bacteria is the large amount of air that passes through hand dryers, 19,000 linear feet/min at the nozzle. The convection generated by high airflow below the hand dryer nozzles could also draw in room air."

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  1. Always suspected this. by whoever57 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think that the Dyson dryers are the worst. There is usually a small pool of water in the device, just ideal for bacteria to grow in, then the air blows, potentially taking tiny droplets of this bacteria-infected water into your face.

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    1. Re:Always suspected this. by AbRASiON · · Score: 2

      Also the opening for your hands to fit through is narrow add you endlessly bump into the casing of the unit.

      I hate the things

    2. Re:Always suspected this. by thesupraman · · Score: 3, Informative

      Congratulations.
      You are contributing the the development of stronger strains of bacteria, while doing absolutely nothing positive for your own health.
      This has been well researched, and hand sanitizers are nothing but detrimental, except to the bank balance of the manufacturers.

    3. Re:Always suspected this. by AxeTheMax · · Score: 3, Interesting
      You're paranoid. What about ATM's, hand rails, door bell buttons, hire cars? Everyday life in other words.

      Rinsing is fine in most cases, except when your hands may have come in touch with faecal matter. Eating out is probably a greater hazard to you.

    4. Re:Always suspected this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ethanol attacks susceptible bacteria in many strong ways that are difficult to develop resistance to. Common consensus is bacteria cannot evolve resistance to ethanol. This differs from antibacterial soaps and antibiotics.

    5. Re:Always suspected this. by arth1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That ethanol kills many germs isn't disputed, but it doesn't kill enough of them to really sanitize, and leaves the bacteria's food source, just smeared around.
      It's like if you scrape off most of the mold on a piece of cheese, smearing it around a bit in the process. What do you think happens then?
      The main difference is that bacteria multiply a heck of a lot faster than mold.

      The best you can do for your hands are wash and rinse. And in public facilities, turn off the tap with a paper towel, not your hand, and open the door with your foot or elbow, not your still moist hand.

    6. Re:Always suspected this. by Highdude702 · · Score: 2

      I had read about hand dryers years ago, there is a statistic somewhere along the lines of, when you dry your hands with clean paper towels afterwards, it remove a low percentage of other germs and crap that the soap and water didn't get off completely or some crap like that. But when you use the air dryer you add on average 70% more germs and crap because of the recycled air in the bathroom that the hand dryer uses. I forget the exact numbers. But now when I use a public restroom, like home depot which only has hand dryers I just don't dry my hands and let them air dry or use my shirt. Still cleaner than the hand dryer.

    7. Re:Always suspected this. by BronsCon · · Score: 2

      Resistance isn't the issue, the issue is that you're spreading the bacteria you don't kill around along with its food source. Since it now doesn't have to compete with the bacteria you did kill, that stronger bacteria will now multiply faster and there will be more if it spreading around every time you touch something than there would have been had you washed your hands or done nothing at all.

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  2. Watch out or the germs are gonna getcha! by Fortis+McMannus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There are dangerous germs in and on most things. Our germophobic culture is doing more harm than good in the long run.

    1. Re:Watch out or the germs are gonna getcha! by Khyber · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "So, please explain to me your two paradox statements?"

      You appear to have failed basic high school biology or human anatomy, so I'll try to make this simple for you.

      Dangerous things are in the environment. What really makes them dangerous is when they get out of control. If we don't exercise our immune system against tiny amounts of these things, then when a huge amount become present inside of us we won't have the ability to fight it quickly and efficiently.

      Did you even take biology in high school?

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    2. Re: Watch out or the germs are gonna getcha! by thesupraman · · Score: 3, Informative

      1 - Unless I am doing it wrong (tm) the parts of their genitals they are likely to touch are not the parts that are likely to contain large numbers of bacteria (unless they are doing something rather odd in the bathroom...).
      2 - Genitals are, pretty typically, kept in a reasonably clean place, out of the way of the general rough and tumble of life.

      Personally I see a lot of logic in the wash your hands BEFORE going to the toilet way of thinking, because you are more likely to be putting bacteria ON your genitals than taking them off.

      Why would I be more worried about bacteria, etc combing from genitals, as opposed to bacteria coming from lets say handling the money they may pay for their meal with? the steering wheel of their car?

      Ah, sorry I forgot, you are an American right? such strange people..

    3. Re:Watch out or the germs are gonna getcha! by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      There are dangerous germs in and on most things. Our germophobic culture is doing more harm than good in the long run.

      And yet cleanliness is something that has caused us to overcome uncontrolled transmission of quite nasty disease. We're not talking about an alcohol swab every time someone looks at you here. We're talking about public facilities with lots of varied traffic bringing in all sorts of nasties.

      I haven't washed my keyboard in about 5 years. But I still don't use Dyson airblade driers that don't look like they are perfectly dry already. There's a difference between being a germophobe and not wanting a bacterial cloud sprayed at your face just after washing your hands.

  3. not really new news by chromaexcursion · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Various studies have been published on this in the past few years.
    The "sanitary" air driers are anything but. The more powerful they are the worse they are.
    A little wasteful, but paper is better. If people wouldn't use far more than is necessary to dry their hands it would be less wasteful.
    The small waste of paper is far less that one what's used to treat one person's infection.
    Pay me now, or pay me later. Paper towels are less wasteful.

  4. Seriously, this isn't the whole story by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

    Maybe women's bathrooms are different, but - man, some guys are just pigs.

    I work at a university - so with an above-average educated population - and what I see in the men's bathroom sometimes makes me sick. Guys (not just students - faculty too!) come out of stalls all the time without washing their hands afterwards... but that's not the worst. What's even worse is the guys who come out of the stall, do a quick fake pass through the sink (1-2 seconds max), then paw at the paper towel dispenser.

    You really think the germs spread by an air dryer are worse than the feces being physically deposited on the towel dispenser?

    Plus we used to have the old fashioned kind of paper towel dispensers - the ones with a hand lever. At least with those you could use a forearm or elbow to advance the paper. But now we've got "eco-friendly" dispensers that don't really work 50-75% of the time. When they work, you pull on the protruding paper to get a small section of towel - that's fine. But when they don't work, the only way to get paper is to manually rotate the little disk on the side of the dispenser - something you can't do with anything but your hands.

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    1. Re:Seriously, this isn't the whole story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      I spent years cleaning bathrooms - the wrong (or overpopulated) degree will do that to a guy. Let me tell you, people always think for some reason that men are disgusting, nasty pigs. Well. I already had a clue from having had a female flatmate in college, but cleaning toilets was a far more abysmally enlightening experience. Let's leave what happens when drunks and druggies get into a toilet, since that'll be horrible no matter their shape or size...

      Men's washroom have droplets from shaking things off too much around the urinal. Once in a while (we're talking per-day here) there'll be a bit of piss on the floor too somewhere.

      Both sexes tend to have people who don't flush and/or don't wash their hands. It's unfortunately pretty even. Same with drug paraphernalia.

      And then, then there's the women's bathrooms. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy (Obi-wan couldn't have known since he was a man and had never been a toilet-scrubber). First, take all of the problems of a man's bathroom. Yes. All of them. ALL of them. Look at me. Look at me in the eyes. ALL. OF. THEM. Men are not the only ones who piss onto the wall, but at least there was a urinal in the vicinity. Women have no such excuse.
      Now add menstrual artwork. Pads and tampons stuck to the fucking ceiling or 'padding' the doors so to speak. Sometimes things clog and you discover someone in the fancy office has been dumping theirs in the actual "fancy normal house toilet" reservoir and at that point you might need the plumber to come by.
      Add in maybe one stillborn or miscarriage every... probably once a year back where I worked. It was an office, but would be a lot worse for whoever cleans things up over at a walmart or a mall.
      Makeup. On the mirrors, on the dryers, on the toilets, on the floor, it's like a thick incense sometimes and it'll deposit on everything. You don't have dust in women's bathrooms, it's just foundation settling on anything.
      Fake eyebrows (eyebrows?!?), the one time I found a fresh placenta hidden behind one of the toilets, half eaten pizza, condoms, so many condoms (maybe twice as much as the men's), sometimes with the zucchini still inside... trails of blood, dropped "mooncups", vomit, so much more vomit than the men...

      This was in a relatively professional setting mind you. The guys who work at stadiums and other massive public venues I've talked to had that same distant look that you'd expect from someone with severe PTSD from spending years in a war zone.

    2. Re:Seriously, this isn't the whole story by swb · · Score: 2

      I cleaned 6 women's bathrooms in a college dorm, 5 days a week for a couple of years in college.

      I found their toilet habits to be pretty good. The sinks and the shower were hairy, and the sinks often had a lot of makeup residue.

      They also had a habit of puking in the sinks instead of the toilet, which was much harder to clean because you had to scrape the puke out since the sinks had a fairly fine steel mesh over the drains.

      This was in the 1980s at the peak of the Bartles & James wine cooler phenomenon, so their trash on Mondays also smelled like sickly sweet vinegar.

      The one weird day was trying to finish a bathroom when a girl walks in drunk (at about 3 PM) and says she needs to shower. I'm just finishing the last sink and only need to mop the floor, I ask if she can wait about 5 minutes or go downstairs (which was like a total distance of less than 40 feet). Since she's drunk, she's chatty and also doesn't care her robe isn't staying closed. I'm trying like hell to get out of there before someone sees what's happening because I worry the story will be "pervert janitor".

      I'm basically mopping my way out and she says she's gonna shower now, so off comes the robe. She reaches in and starts the shower, turns and says bye, and then gets into the shower.

      I ran into her a week later and she laughed about the shower, but she also turned out to be kind of a tragic figure who unloaded some pretty ugly sex assault stories on me.

  5. You're drying it wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Once you know how to use them, they're brilliant and don't blow anything your face.

    Take your wet hands, put them down the SIDES of the dryer (not the top!) and bring them into the dryer from the side. Draw them upwards slowly. That's it. The water sheets off the hands downwards and nothing goes upwards. Usually one draw is enough to make them bone dry, if you need to, repeat the in-at-the-side-draw-upwards action a second time.

    DO NOT:
    Stick your hands in the top, thrusting downwards, because the water will sheet up your arms and into the air.

    Water doesn't fly up into your face, and the water going down is drained down.

  6. Re: So what? by q_e_t · · Score: 2

    Composting public toilets would make more sense, given the economies of scale. Unless they become like music festival toilets... Eww.

  7. Re:Cleaning is to get rid of the places germs live by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 2

    The point of washing your hands is to dislodge a reasonable amount of germs, and perhaps to wash off fecal matter.

    Urine is sterile in most people (but not everyone).

    We encounter a large amount of germs constantly. But we get sick if we are weakened or we don't recognize the signature of the illness so our immune system is slow to react.

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  8. Volatile by DrYak · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If you pay attention to the article (yes, I know, /. , never RTFA), the mostly are interested in what is floating in the air.
    As in spores that at some point of time got air born (TFS mentions "flushing" as something that might launch spores in the air)

    The whole idea of the article, is that specifically exposing plates to the air flow of the air dryer gives much more bacteria colonies than anything else (sample the nozzle of a turned off air dryer, leaving the plate in an currently unused toilet room, blowing air with a less powerful small fan, etc.)
    Their proposed explanation is that this contamination is due to the sheer amount of air that goes out of the dryer (there aren't that many microbes in the air, but when the whole atmosphere of the toilet room is cycled and blown to your plate in a few seconds, you're bound to catch a few microboes).

    From that point of view :
      - Dysons have always been louded for their extremely powerful air flow and insanely efficient fan motors. That doesn't help the "blowing the whole room's worth of air to your hand" problem.
      - Dysons have a pool of water accumulating at the bottom, which will get blown at the exact moment when the dryer is used, helping the "getting microbe airborne" a tiny bit (would be as if someone did flush their toilet exactly in sync with a classical dryer, given TFS. Here the pool is smaller, but closer, but the effect should be tiny).
      - Touching the wall isn't a problem (sampling the nozzles of turned off dryer didn't produce much. Again, it's not that dryers are dirty. It's the fact that almost any particule currently in the air will end up being blown on your hands at some point of time in the cycle of these air blowing monsters. Unless dysons have HEPA filters, there's no reason to suspect they are any different from other dryers)
      - The direction where sheets of water flow isn't relevant to the perspective of this study.

    Funnily though, even if TFS reports that paper towel were added to toilet rooms as a consquence of the study, at point during the study did they test the paper towel surface for microbes...

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