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Sony PlayStation 5 Unlikely To Arrive Until 2020: Gizmodo (kotaku.com)

A recent online rumor got people buzzing about a possible 2018 release of PlayStation 5, but that's probably not going to happen, Gizmodo reports. Citing a source, the outlet says it believes the next PlayStation may not arrive until 2020. From the report: It's been nearly five years since the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One launched, which has triggered bouts of nervousness and excitement among video game fans who want to know when they'll have to start hoarding pennies for a new generation of consoles. The PS4 launched seven years after the PS3, the Xbox One eight years after the Xbox 360. It's not unreasonable to be thinking about the next generation. We don't have a concrete answer just yet, but we have been asking around, and what we've heard is a whole lot of uncertainty.

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  1. Rumor has it the dev kits are now out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So they have a hardware spec in mind at least. This should be a very interesting E3.

  2. Well that's good news... by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1

    I just bought my PS4 last summer. I typically wait until a couple of years after the new version comes out before buying it so I can get the "greatest hits" versions for $20. So if it comes out in 2020, I'll get it in 2023.

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  3. Good. by RyanFenton · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The last console I worked with was PS3, but I think a bit of market delay here is a good idea.

    An upgrade over this generation of hardware wouldn't get you much over a PS4. Sure, some percent increase - but it would feel more like being forced into an upgrade cycle, rather than really buying to get some new important capability with the new system.

    Don't get me wrong - a top-of-the-line video card and SSD would make for a transformation of the 4k experience and all... but it would make for a $1400 console at the moment.

    Better for Sony to let the manufacturers know what they want, get the plants tooled, techniques tested, then make that same console for $500 in a couple of years. In the meantime, everyone can develop with expensive PC testbed dev kits, then the manufacturers can test that everything can function and pass those same tests.

    That, and we still haven't seen the likes of Kingdom Hearts 3 on the PS4 - the development cycle on games is still catching up with PS4-level development. Give your local devs some breathing room.

    Ryan Fenton

    1. Re:Good. by ausekilis · · Score: 1

      Don't rain on my parade. I for one am looking forward to the X-box One Prime and XB1 Double-prime. I'm even more excited about the PS4 Elite and Ultra Super PS4 Championship Arcade Edition, with new Challengers.

  4. Wait for 8K. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Wait until hardware advances till we can get 60FPS 8K. But with hardware advances being taken by crypto miners and phones it could be a long time.

    1. Re:Wait for 8K. by ELCouz · · Score: 1

      Wait until they cryptomine on PS4 or XboxOne.....then i'll grab my popcorn!

    2. Re:Wait for 8K. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      4k has had incredibly slow adoption due to the limited benefits to most, 8k I would not expect any significant adoption of for another decade at least, their is no point.

    3. Re:Wait for 8K. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you sure? I think 4K is selling a lot. Chinese buyers are known to go overboard on it e.g.
      I think it sells a huge lot in the US also, maybe in Europe but I don't care to check.
      I'm talking of TVs, though, not content.
      4K TVs are midrange TVs, a cheap status symbol or feel-good luxury. Or LCD TVs die out (when the power supply's capacitor is fried e.g.) and they're replaced.

      They're a bit pointless, sure. Most people probably watch 1080p/i broadcast, 720p youtube, low bitrate netflix etc. (sometimes now the wifi is slower than the internet connection). The problem is, getting last mile fiber to hundreds millions of people, launching satellites using heavy boosters, installing OTA H265 emitters and paying for the spectrum cost billions or trillions dollars

      A game console can be the only source of 4K 60 fps content, or near 4K content, or HDR content (that'll work a bit better if TVs gain variable refresh rate ability)
      If I were to get a big TV (say 49") I would probably go for a 4K as it's cheap and I don't like LCD pixel grid screendoor artifacts. It's not really a question whether I want a 4K TV though, if I'm to get a 32" TV or no TV at all then I won't have any 4K/5K display whatsoever.
      Me thinks a lot people actually want a big TV (43", 49", 55", 65") etc.

      Car analogy : people who buy a car end up with power steering, AC, ABS, even some shiny tablet and buttons on the wheel, whether they want these things or not.

    4. Re:Wait for 8K. by Ranbot · · Score: 1

      Wait until hardware advances till we can get 60FPS 8K.

      That would keep pace with the TV tech cycle, and Sony also sells TVs....

      Also, giving VR gaming a couple more years to mature may be good for Sony so they can be sure their new console can support whatever that market does.

      It's also well-documented that the tech upgrade cycle is generally slowing down for all consumer computing devices (e.g. desktop/laptop computers, mobile phones/tablets, etc.), so if everything in the market is slowing it's silly to expect game consoles would maintain the same upgrade schedules as decades past.

  5. Slow news day? by grasshoppa · · Score: 1

    An article about what's not happening this year, and no real data on when something might happen?

    Slow news day, folks?

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  6. Re:BY THEN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, they'll come after you for being an idiot.

  7. the marketing department is likely the hold up. by nimbius · · Score: 1

    Im sure they're sitting in a conference room trying to come up with a way to outdo their PS4 campaign of molten crying babies and preteens with swollen heads.

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  8. So it is unreasonable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why worry about a console to be released in two years or more?

    Why consume yourself with such things. And anyway there are likely to be no first party launch titles anyway.

    GoW is just now being released for PS4. Finally.

    The days of excitement and waiting in line are over.

  9. So fucking what? by Type44Q · · Score: 2

    Didn't the PS 4 Pro (with 2x the graphics performance, for VR) just come out within the past year??

    1. Re:So fucking what? by Hadlock · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The VR edition of the PS4 should hold off things until the VR market begins to mature and software development workflows standardize, at which point, yeah the PS5 should be ready and be VR compatible out of the box; VR display technology will have matured, graphics hardware technology will drop in price etc... 2020 sounds about right.
       
      The iPad had a couple of years of very fast revisions and major upgrades, and at this point the technology is stable and as good as anyone would ever reasonably need. VR has been moving at a similar pace, although perhaps twice as slow. We're just a few years away from retina quality displays and the hardware to drive them. Modern VR has only been a thing for two years to the week and Sony is going to need six months to eighteen months to put together a final spec, ramp up manufacturing and get developers trained for the new system.

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    2. Re:So fucking what? by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      The problem with the iPad is that Apple is fucking clueless about standardizing / supporting a gamepad API. Instead we are forced to use shitty touch screen controls that obscures the view.

    3. Re:So fucking what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't they have games on the Apple TV? Surely they could use the same gamepad input method as on these games, then...

    4. Re:So fucking what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes it did, so did Xbox One X which also had improved performance.

  10. Ryzen 3 and Vega 2 should be out by then. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Since AMD has been the supplier for Xbox One and PS4, it'll probably be the same for the next generation. Only it should be a lot better than Bulldozer this time around. Four- or six-core hyperthreaded CPUs (or maybe even octacore, especially if AMD is working on a laptop competitor to Intel six-core).

    1. Re:Ryzen 3 and Vega 2 should be out by then. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since AMD has been the supplier for Xbox One and PS4, it'll probably be the same for the next generation. Only it should be a lot better than Bulldozer this time around. Four- or six-core hyperthreaded CPUs (or maybe even octacore, especially if AMD is working on a laptop competitor to Intel six-core).

      actually the cores were jaguar based off of bobcat (small low power cores) not bulldozer based

  11. How well is the PS4 selling? by ArhcAngel · · Score: 3, Informative

    If Sony is exceeding sales figures for the PS4 (they were in December) then they will postpone any talks about a successor until the numbers begin to fall. Any rumors about a replacement will stall sales of the existing model. They may well have the PS5 ready to go but it makes no sense to introduce it if the existing model is still selling well.

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    1. Re:How well is the PS4 selling? by ELCouz · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sony better be ready when Microsoft will drop their XboxTwo.... disclaimer: IDGAF, pc master race wins anyway

    2. Re:How well is the PS4 selling? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People who want a console want it because it's reliable, PC is a separate market. It will probably be a while before the One X 2, the One X is still too new.

    3. Re:How well is the PS4 selling? by Daralantan · · Score: 1

      Xbox 540 The One

    4. Re:How well is the PS4 selling? by ArhcAngel · · Score: 1

      Aren't you going to be surprised when Microsoft trots out the XBox Solo in the shape of the Millennium Falcon. And the RROD will be back but this time as a feature! Merch tie-ins BABY!!!

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  12. Re:BY THEN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Michael Cohen, you are all bluster. And a pussy.

  13. Backwards compatible with PS4? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If not they can stuff it where the sun don't shine... Sideways.

  14. Probably waiting for cryptocurrencies to... by brucekeller · · Score: 1

    ...be made illegal or unprofitable enough to destroy the mining market so they can not lose as much per unit with current GPU costs.

  15. Yay by Greyfox · · Score: 3, Funny

    Just in time to force a complete rewrite of Kingdom Hearts 3, delaying the game by another 8 years.

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    1. Re:Yay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I waited over 2 years for Gran Turismo Sport. If the PS5 gets a new Gran Turismo game that only works on PS5 I'll be pissed off, then go out and buy a PS5.

  16. Final Fantasy VII by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Play it first on PS4"

    No way Sony doesn't bend over backwards for Square and release the PS5 before FF7 Remake is released.

  17. Re:BY THEN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trump is the leader of the most powerful country in the world and he's extremely rich. He literally can't be put in prison.

  18. Hardware progression is slowing, pointless now by AbRASiON · · Score: 2

    The performance increase they could attain right now, even in the $600 US target simply would be very, very little.

    As both Sony and MS use AMD tech (weak CPU, semi-decent GPU) the theory is the next one will move to a 'full' Zen desktop core (or close to it) and a more modern GPU design. Even then, the heat and cost would be high. They need 'true' 7nm to be up and running, I strongly suspect, before considering this.

    On top of this game dev cycles are slower due to more complex games and console profitability generally comes towards the late stage in a console life, where they still make their 5 to 10$ per game but there's 70 to 150 million of the things in peoples hands. (ie: even 'crappy' games ship 2 million copies)

    Furthermore, the industry appears to be considering the cell phone model of next gen stuff is going to be backwards compatible. (Hopefully) so a PS5 will likely ship, running your PS4 and PS4 Pro games even smoother, MAYBE PS5 games work on PS4 / PS4 Pro

    Either way, as tech slows, the need to move to the next cycle is decreasing. If Xbox 360 got 7, PS3 got 8. I suspect we'll see at least similar figures for the next consoles. (2020 or so)

    Oh and FWIW, having now got a console at launch, in the hype? Never again. The PS4 and Xbox One are now, worth considering, with a decent range of games and somewhat discounted consoles. Buying at launch you get stuck with a limited library (assuming no BC) and high prices. Just wait at least 24 months for bugs to be ironed out, better game library, potentially quieter models. Etc

    1. Re:Hardware progression is slowing, pointless now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a good word for that about graphics : diminishing returns.

      Especially, looks of the game are determined by the art direction and assets quality, and a 100% increase in GPU flops will mostly not make the same game look really better. You can piss away that 100% graphical performance increase in a higher resolution, or slightly better shadows. (Shadows are about as resource intensive as everything else combined, and if they're too weak, blocky, the solution is to make your shadows resolution 4x bigger)
      But things have been going great lately or in this gen ; at some point games were full of bald space marines, because hair and normal-looking clothes are expensive.

  19. Re:What a CRETIN... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What a foaming at the mouth idiot you are.
    What he is sort of saying is, top of the line done right now (a console launching in late 2018 or early 2019 would mean the hardware exists right now) would be prohibitive, unless doing some half-assed useless upgrade.
    Imagine a 600 square millimeter APU or GPU, "12nm" process at best, expensive memory (24GB GDDR6?), 250 to 300 watts of real heat (and thus high end cooling and power circuitry) and the cost of a 1TB SSD - it sells for about the price of an entire current gen console.

    But well I shouldn't have replied to you in the first place. I just have to say the way you're defaming some random guy is crass and unacceptable. You lower the standards of this site, moreso than "Trump in prison" trolls, "LUDDITE APPS!" guy and the others.

  20. Yet another thing hits "good enough" by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    Computers did it, phones did it. And consoles do it too. We have arrived at the point where there isn't much room for expansion for consoles anymore. Especially when they keep breaking compatibility with older games. Why should I buy a PS5, then buy every game again (yes, yes, in their "new" edition, which is basically the same game I already have with a different number next to the franchise name), when what I have isn't that different? Better graphics? Well, technically, yes, but do I even have a TV to see it? And if I have a TV to see it, can I actually see it? I'm the first to admit my eyesight isn't perfect (hey, I'm getting old) but do you really see the difference from HD to p5000whatever? And, more important, does it warrant forking over the money for a new console and a stack of games?

    The next generation of consoles better has something really good in store if they want to convince gamers to buy their library of games all over again.

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    1. Re:Yet another thing hits "good enough" by hipp5 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, at this point what I really want to see is the PS4 line to take another price cut. It's getting to the point where there's a critical mass of games I want to play, but I'm not ready to pay $500 for the Pro, and it feels wrong to buy the Slim when the Pro exists...

    2. Re:Yet another thing hits "good enough" by micahraleigh · · Score: 1

      Was just going to post the same thing.

      This is planned obsolescence.

      It's no better for the consumer because they can't tell the difference and it costs A LOT of money.

      It's also no better for Sony because they lose money on each console.

      This is just chasing the wind.

      But that describes basically all the activity in the world.

  21. Re:BY THEN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They just put a South Korean bitch in prison forever, or until she's a worn out blind ruck sack that give toothless blow jobs, so that you know.

  22. 2078 by BaronAaron · · Score: 1

    On track for the PS9 in 2078.

  23. Wait for Crypto crash by Comboman · · Score: 1

    Maybe they're waiting for the cryptocurrency bubble to pop so that GPUs drop in price.

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  24. My two cents .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The push for upgrades is going to not change the OS that the systems run on.

    We'll probably start seening new PS4s and Xbox Ones that all run the same OS. They'll just come with hardware updates. And eventually, you'll see the moniker that all games For Xbox One run on all hardware just that better hardware results in higher framerates and higher resolution all go away.

    Eventually You'll see Xbox One A, B, C, D, E. And games will start requiring System C or higher to run.