Microsoft Discovers Blocking Bug and Delays the Release of Windows 10 Spring Creators Update (betanews.com)

The next big update for Windows 10 has been delayed while Microsoft rushes to fix a newly-discovered bug. From a report: Known variously as Windows 10 version 1803, Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version Next, Redstone 4 and Windows 10 Spring Creators Update, it was widely thought that the update had reached RTM and was on the verge of rolling out. However, this last-minute discovery means there will be a little longer to wait.

Comments

I'll wait for Windows 11

[jfdavis668]

It's one louder

Re:I'll wait for Windows 11

[glenebob]

Why not just make 10 the top number and make that a little louder?

Re:I'll wait for Windows 11

[Anonymous Coward]

Hey moron, you are the one with the woosh. The second post is from the same damn conversation.

Re:I'll wait for Windows 11

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm thinking you may have just gotten whooshed. That comics not the comic you are looking for.

Re:I'll wait for Windows 11

[jfdavis668]

Good attempt, but it looks like a swing and a miss.

Re:I'll wait for Windows 11

[Gojira Shipi-Taro]

But this one goes to 11

Re:I'll wait for Windows 11

[Anonymous Coward]

11? Pfft.

PEGI goes to 13!

Window's ain't done until Google wont run

[JoeyRox]

Or maybe it's a bug in the telemetry data gathering. Or the forced patch updater that reboots your machine overnight so you lose all your work. Or the applet that delivers ads to your start menu.

Re:Window's ain't done until Google wont run

[Anonymous Coward]

Probably couldn't reinstall Candy Crush after the user uninstalled it for the fifth time

Re:Window's ain't done until Google wont run

[Anonymous Coward]

You do realize that even from the very first release of Windows 10, you could configure it to prompt you to reboot instead of doing it automatically right? It only took a couple extra mouse clicks. Or is this just another, "Bash Microsoft because it's still the cool thing to do on Slashdot" post? Consider the alternative: Millions of people who never installed ANY updates and had their systems compromised by spam bots, were used in DDoS attacks, or were doing something else that is a nuisance to the Internet community as a whole.

You can nurse your various irrational reasons for disliking Microsoft, Windows, and whatever else all you want, no one here will really give two craps. Just don't crap all over threads with pointless posts that serve only to boost your own ego.

Re:Window's ain't done until Google wont run

[WaffleMonster]

Consider the alternative: Millions of people who never installed ANY updates and had their systems compromised by spam bots, were used in DDoS attacks, or were doing something else that is a nuisance to the Internet community as a whole.

Millions of people "had their systems compromised" because they were successfully tricked into executing malware.

If all software bugs magically disappeared tomorrow nothing would change.

Re: Window's ain't done until Google wont run

[Anonymous Coward]

No it is not. MS keeps booting my machine nightly telling me it is installing latest win10. Just get to 82% done blows off and rollsback. Wipe machine and directly install win10 and goes though all the work and locks up in the boot. Reinstall working version. All drives are 64bit and current. It kepts reinstall win10 upgrade assistance after I deleted it.

WIN10 broken by design. Was leaving that machine to support win10 printing and 3D printing. But us totally unusable since it goes thought this update loop every time anyone logs on.

Thank you MS for the good work.
PS they do not know ehat is wrong either. .

Re:Window's ain't done until Google wont run

[JoeyRox]

You do realize that even from the very first release of Windows 10, you could configure it to prompt you to reboot instead of doing it automatically right?

No, I don't realize that because it's patently incorrect. First, the very first release of Windows 10 did not have this feature, as documented here. Second, the "feature", as described online, doesn't actually work, nor does the group policy method either.

You can nurse your various irrational reasons for disliking Microsoft, Windows, and whatever else all you want, no one here will really give two craps. Just don't crap all over threads with pointless posts that serve only to boost your own ego.

With the time you wasted trying to insult me you could have done a little research first and saved yourself some embarrassment.

Re:Window's ain't done until Google wont run

[coastwalker]

The one that does annoy me is the behaviour of loading pictures into Windows 10 from an SD card or USB tethered camera. In windows 7 it could automatically upload your whole drive to the disk allowing raw files and videos to all be picked up in one go. In windows 10 some automatic App will take your jpegs only and load them somewhere in the cloud in one single folder for the NSA to face search for Bin Ladens dog. Given that I have 50GB of accumulated Jpegs and Raw files I have my own folder structure to store them in, my own applications to view and edit them with and it most definitely does not live in the cloud shoebox you get for free from Microsloth. So I end up manualy dragging and dropping files from one explorer window to another. bah humbug.

I know, I know, I should be using linux. Well I have used linux and I just got tired of the way the whole look and feel of it has to change every 5 years or so as the next wave of thirteenyearolds get to try out their own new but old ideas of how a desktop should work. Frankly windows is still just convenient enough and customisable almost back to XP to be just fine - apart from stuff they broke for "marketing reasons" every time a new version of windows comes out. I imagine at some point it will break beyond what I will tolerate but that day has not yet arrived.

Re: Window's ain't done until Google wont run

[Anonymous Coward]

Do you even hear yourself right now? Go back and read what you yourself wrote.

Re:Window's ain't done until Google wont run

[sconeu]

Really????

Well I have used linux and I just got tired of the way the whole look and feel of it has to change every 5 years or so

Have you seen Windows XP, Vista, 7, 8, 8.1, and 10?

Re:Window's ain't done until Google wont run

[Anonymous Coward]

I call BS. All of my Windows 10 devices will install updates and tell me that I need to reboot, or that a automated reboot will occur during my "off hours".

I suspect you are one of those Linux dudes who thinks they know everything about Windows because they use Linux. Christ, even my windows phone tells me that the update has downloaded and it will reboot during "off hours". I also bet, you did everything you could to fuck with updates and your system is basically hosed - because you are just stupid.

Re:Window's ain't done until Google wont run

[Anonymous Coward]

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Re:Window's ain't done until Google wont run

[Anonymous Coward]

You do realize that even from the very first release of Windows 10, you could configure it to prompt you to reboot instead of doing it automatically right?

Bull. Shit.

The most you can do with Windows 10 is schedule a time within a very limited, Microsoft mandated timeframe when it can reboot. You can't choose "never" and you can't disable the entire automatic update or reboot mechanism entirely. This is stupid, because I could be using my computer for something that makes it very undesirable to reboot for days or weeks. It's also stupid because, you know, it's MY fucking computer and it should only do what I want it to do.

Consider the alternative: Millions of people who never installed ANY updates and had their systems compromised by spam bots, were used in DDoS attacks, or were doing something else that is a nuisance to the Internet community as a whole.

I don't give a shit what happens with other people's computers because that's their business. Maybe you should stop being such a whiny busybody and pay attention to your own life.

Re:Window's ain't done until Google wont run

[Anonymous Coward]

I call BS. All of my Windows 10 devices will install updates and tell me that I need to reboot, or that a automated reboot will occur during my "off hours".

And what happens when my computer doesn't have "off hours"? You sound like a typical noob who only uses their computer as a consumption device and who doesn't understand that some people do more demanding and important things with their computers.

Re:Window's ain't done until Google wont run

[Anonymous Coward]

Actually he does. You're the clueless noob here.

Re:Window's ain't done until Google wont run

[Anonymous Coward]

The Windows experience in a song.

The Cotton Squares - Virtual-Void (Acoustic Version)

With all my schedules set
Into the future I charged
I spun an arrogant net
I saw my future enlarged

And then I had to reboot a hundred times
Through tangled threads and corporate crimes
You may never find love down a T1 line

I made a simple demand
I caught a private reward
I made an elegant stand
My faith in patience restored

And then I had to reboot a hundred times
Through lonely beds and worn-out rhymes
You may never find love down a T1 line

I made paper out of paper mâché
I drew sonic insurrections out of what you tried...to say

Re:Window's ain't done until Google wont run

[Gojira Shipi-Taro]

He successfully insulted you. You came back with an incensed and wholly unnecessary response.

No one is impressed.

Re:Window's ain't done until Google wont run

[Anonymous Coward]

And what happens when my computer doesn't have "off hours"? You sound like a typical noob who only uses their computer as a consumption device and who doesn't understand that some people do more demanding and important things with their computers.

Yes anybody who doesn't use their computer 24/7 is a typical noob who only uses their computer as a consumption device. You can simply set "Notify to schedule restart" in Windows Update to prevent automatic restarts, noob.

Re:Window's ain't done until Google wont run

[Anonymous Coward]

The most you can do with Windows 10 is schedule a time within a very limited, Microsoft mandated timeframe when it can reboot. You can't choose "never" and you can't disable the entire automatic update or reboot mechanism entirely.

Settings -> Windows Update -> Advanced -> “Notify to schedule restart.”

Then it will not restart unless you tell it to, you're welcome.

Re:Window's ain't done until Google wont run

[Anonymous Coward]

Yes anybody who doesn't use their computer 24/7 is a typical noob who only uses their computer as a consumption device.

Pretty much, or at least about 95% of them are. You included.

You can simply set "Notify to schedule restart" in Windows Update to prevent automatic restarts, noob.

I don't want to schedule a restart. If you knew how to read, you would already know that my computer is doing important things. In fact, I don't ever want to restart my computer but if I have to, then I want to do it manually in a timeframe that I choose, not one that Microsoft mandates.

Re:Window's ain't done until Google wont run

[Anonymous Coward]

The most you can do with Windows 10 is schedule a time within a very limited, Microsoft mandated timeframe when it can reboot. You can't choose "never" and you can't disable the entire automatic update or reboot mechanism entirely.

Settings -> Windows Update -> Advanced -> “Notify to schedule restart.”

Then it will not restart unless you tell it to, you're welcome.

*facepalm*

You just reworded exactly what I said. You even quoted it, you utter fucking illiterate moron.

"Notify to schedule restart" is not disabling automatic restarts, that is having the operating system annoy you to pick a time within a Microsoft mandated timeframe when the computer will still automatically restart.

I don't want my computer to EVER automatically restart, regardless of whether it does it at a time Microsoft chooses or at a time that Microsoft forced me to choose. I also don't want my computer automatically notifying me about updates, downloading updates or applying updates. I will look through any updates, I will determine which ones, if any, are necessary and I will download and apply them if I need them.

Re:Window's ain't done until Google wont run

[Anonymous Coward]

How ironic.

Re:Window's ain't done until Google wont run

[Anonymous Coward]

My computer doesn't have off hours. I need it to do work for me, and I don't want it to reboot for the next 6 to 12 months.

Win10 is not for anyone who needs to do serious work with their computers.

Re:Window's ain't done until Google wont run

[Anonymous Coward]

FUCK YOU, it is not possible to delay the update indefinitely.

Re:Window's ain't done until Google wont run

[Anonymous Coward]

No, I don't realize that, because despite using tricks like setting the network connection to "metered" to keep a friend's 2-month-old computer from downloading the Spring Update because they were in the middle of end-of-term deadlines and couldn't afford to have the machine go down for the sake of an unneeded "upgrade", their laptop did just that for 5 hours a couple of days ago, locking them out of their own machine while it occurred in the middle of their work. They also had to manually download a bunch of drivers that the update broke before getting back to a functioning machine.

So, no, I didn't realize that, because I thought I had disabled updates unless they were manually approved to proceed. [sarcastic] Good to know.

Maybe next time Microsoft can over a little more graceful and clear control over the crappy, forceful, annoying, breakage-prone update process. I guess this is what my friend gets for only getting the "home" version, because nobody at home has work to do and they're happy to suspend things for 5 hours with no choice.

Re:Window's ain't done until Google wont run

[Anonymous Coward]

I know, I know, I should be using linux. Well I have used linux and I just got tired of the way the whole look and feel of it has to change every 5 years or so as the next wave of thirteenyearolds get to try out their own new but old ideas of how a desktop should work.

If that's the only reason you don't use Linux then you should be using it with MATE. Desktop essentially looks and works like Gnome 2 from around ten years ago. No weirdness, no messing about, solid and stable and pretty light on resources (runs great on my 10-year old desktop). Virtually guaranteed *not* to change significantly, that's the whole point of MATE.

Re: Window's ain't done until Google wont run

[Anonymous Coward]

Can confirm. Had the same thing happen to a client of mine. He was getting work done, and windows did a restart to update. It took 6 hours for the computer to update.

When it was finished. His sound card no longer worked. The update broke the driver that was installed. Apparently windows 10 found a better driver during the update. Problem is, that driver doesn't work for his sound card.

Had to spent an hour tracking down the issues on how he didn't have sound. Luckily I rolled back the sound driver to a previous one, and it fixed the issue.

I will never use windows 10 as a main machine and recommend everyone I know against using it.

Re:Window's ain't done until Google wont run

[Anonymous Coward]

No, I don't realize that, because despite using tricks like setting the network connection to "metered" to keep a friend's 2-month-old computer from downloading the Spring Update because they were in the middle of end-of-term deadlines and couldn't afford to have the machine go down for the sake of an unneeded "upgrade", their laptop did just that for 5 hours a couple of days ago, locking them out of their own machine while it occurred in the middle of their work.

Since the Spring Creators update hasn't been released yet unless you are in one of the evaluation rings, how did this forced upgrade happen? If he is a tester he should know better than use his daily driver for testing. Not sure you have a case here.

Re:Window's ain't done until Google wont run

[Anonymous Coward]

"Notify to schedule restart" is not disabling automatic restarts

What part of the word "automatic" do you not understand? It will ask you, it will not automatically restart. You can simply click 'no' when it asks.

that is having the operating system annoy you to pick a time within a Microsoft mandated timeframe when the computer will still automatically restart.

Wrong. It will tell you there is an update and ask you if you want to schedule a restart, you can simply click 'no'.

I don't want my computer to EVER automatically restart

And if you check that setting then it won't.

Re:Window's ain't done until Google wont run

[Anonymous Coward]

Wrong. But even you weren't the answer is to get fucking educated and stop using Windows you dense motherfucker, Windows is built for retards like you that need their hand held cos theyre constantly opening up xxx.scr and hardcore.jpg.exe files and running other random shit off the internet so of course unless you opt out of restarts it's going to take care of that for you.

Re:Window's ain't done until Google wont run

[Anonymous Coward]

If you use this setting then it will not automatically restart:
Settings -> Windows Update -> Advanced -> “Notify to schedule restart.”

But the issues people like you are having underscore what we have been trying to tell you for many many years, with Windows you are not in control. It's just that it's had to come to them shutting down your computer while you're in the middle of doing something for you to actually realise that.

Re:Window's ain't done until Google wont run

[Anonymous Coward]

What part of the word "automatic" do you not understand? It will ask you, it will not automatically restart. You can simply click 'no' when it asks.

When it asks you, there is no way to tell it "never restart". You have to either let it restart or choose a time from within a time frame that Microsoft sets.

Wrong. It will tell you there is an update and ask you if you want to schedule a restart, you can simply click 'no'.

There is no such option.

And if you check that setting then it won't.

There is no such setting. Either you have never used Windows 10 or you are a liar.

Re:Window's ain't done until Google wont run

[Anonymous Coward]

What are you saying?

As a user of Windows 10 Professional (the "best" version I can buy without jumping to Enterprise, which Microsoft won't even sell to me) I can't delay installation of updates indefinitely. Despite deferring the update, at some point, the OS reboot by itself and I lose work.

If you have knowledge of something I can do differently to stop this happening please post and share, I would really like to know.

To address your other issues, I use Linux as my primary OS and only run Win10 for software development because that's what my clients pay me to do.

Good on them!

[Anonymous Coward]

Good on them! This is a refreshing change from their usual practice of releasing Windows 10 updates on-time but with bugs that break some or all functionality.

Re: Good on them!

[Pubstar]

I wish they did the same with the fucking vNIC issued on Server 2008 too.

Re: Good on them!

[Anonymous Coward]

Yep I had to fix this on a few servers, it sucked

I'm ok to wait

[djbckr]

I'm ok to wait. I don't use Windows!

Obligatory "how to block this crap"

[xxxJonBoyxxx]

Here's the obligatory "How to Uninstall and Block Updates and Drivers on Windows 10" article:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/3073930/how-to-temporarily-prevent-a-driver-update-from-reinstalling-in-window?utm_source=twitter%3Futm_source%3Dtwitter
(Scroll down to "Download the "Show or hide updates" troubleshooter package now.")

since Microsoft still isn't smart enough to detect unsupported hardware and will still stupidly try to download and install huge updates dozens of times on machines that will never support them.

Re:Obligatory "how to block this crap"

[Anonymous Coward]

One on Slashdot thread, we have people bitching that Android updates are fragmented and dont show up for most devices... On the other thread, we've got people giving advice and instructions on how to disable Windows Update. What an overly joyful and glorious day it is to be reading the consistency of Slashdot today!

Re:Obligatory "how to block this crap"

[Megol]

This is probably a surprise to you but all people here (or elsewhere) are individuals (except bots) and so may have different opinions about things.

Re:Obligatory "how to block this crap"

[Anonymous Coward]

You forgot the third hand known as Apple/Mac AKA Wankers.

Re:Obligatory "how to block this crap"

[Junta]

So in Windows, you are force feed updates whether you like it or not, including functional changes that may or may not be quite ready. Updates are not merely there, you are stuck with them. Generally people welcomed the Windows updates prior to when 10 released, and then microsoft started cramming the most modern thing down every Windows device from 7 and up, and generally ruined trust in updates.

In Android, you frequently don't have a choice to even update, it's nice to at least have the choice.

Currently in the 'Windows updates are annoying' crowd, Android is worse because at least Microsoft does offer security and bugfixes for various updates, though it's an arcane art to *not* be advanced to the latest 6ish-month release.

Re:Obligatory "how to block this crap"

[Leslie43]

Mac is not exempt, but why complain about it in a thread about Windows?

Also, stop judging people by the computer they use, especially if you don't know what's inside or what they do with it, they just might make you look like the wanker.

Re:Obligatory "how to block this crap"

[Anonymous Coward]

Title is "How to temporarily..." Yep, it's temporary. We keep having to reapply this fix on our Precision 5520 laptops that boot into a blank screen if the Qualcomm QCA61x4A driver updates to the version from March 27.

Re:Obligatory "how to block this crap"

[Anonymous Coward]

Title is "How to temporarily..." Yep, it's temporary. We keep having to reapply this fix on our Precision 5520 laptops that boot into a blank screen if the Qualcomm QCA61x4A driver updates to the version from March 27 from the Jan 17 one.

Re:Obligatory "how to block this crap"

[Anonymous Coward]

wushowhide.diagcab

I have I used, fails to work on the latest version of push WIN10. Just keeps loading every single day and failing and rolling back. Cannot be deleted, I am guess it is coming from the MS virus checker.

Re:Obligatory "how to block this crap"

[Anonymous Coward]

Are they the same people or different ones? It makes a difference, you know.

Also, false dichotomy. Forced updates vs no updates should not be the only options. How about providing updates and allowing users to choose if they want them, which ones they want and when they want them?

Also, AOSP and custom ROMs are available for Android. Most anyone with an Android device *can* actually get updates. It just takes a little more work.

Not surprised given the quality of their updates

[schwit1]

NIC settings are replaced or static IP address settings are lost after you install KB4088875 or KB4088878

Wonder what the bug is

[Anonymous Coward]

I used one of the "hacks" to get the media creation tool to download the RTM version MS had up on their servers last week, and so far everything's been running just fine. Maybe I just got lucky, or maybe the issue has to do with the Windows Update method of distributing the update... a process I have never trusted and always avoid if I can help it.

Re:Not surprised given the quality of their update

[DigiShaman]

Lovely. That will play real nice with a Domain Controller. QA/QC at Micro$oft has gone to total shit; as if it wasn't already bad.

The bug:

[Anonymous Coward]

LUDDITE Windows 10 still runs LUDDITE software! Only appy Appdows 10 S can app apps while apping other apps!

Apps!

Re:The bug:

[Anonymous Coward]

Moo?

Fake news

[Anonymous Coward]

Microsoft doesn't bother QA testing before releasing updates. They haven't done in ages.

and apple has no downgrade rights or even

[Joe_Dragon]

and apple has no downgrade rights and some times has new hardware with pre release mac os updates on them.

Re: and apple has no downgrade rights or even

[Anonymous Coward]

Who gives a shit. Go to Pirate Bay and download whatever version of OSX you want. Stop relying on the gatekeepers to give you what you need.

Good.........

[Anonymous Coward]

Good...... Still working on get computers to run right after the last "update". They should wait a year, so we have computers that are running to download the next update.

Compiler error delays release of Windows 10 update

[Anonymous Coward]

A spokesman for Microsoft admitted reason for delay was kernel32.dll failed to compile due to a syntax error.

File was noticed missing by Microsoft's last surviving QA staff member while investigating why Windows wouldn't boot after installing spring creators update.

The spokesman confirmed as soon as syntax error is resolved a new version will be immediately shipped to the public.

VMXnet3

[Joe_Dragon]

well we only QA vm's on hyper-v or azure now!

Re: Not surprised given the quality of their updat

[Pubstar]

We got hit with this at work. Luckily we didn't run into trust issues but it did take us around 10 hours to run the "fix"they released.

~Re:The bug:

[Anonymous Coward]

Say what??!

Re:Compiler error delays release of Windows 10 upd

[ELCouz]

[Citation needed]

Bug?

[Anonymous Coward]

One has to wonder if they finally "discovered" the process startup/shutdown serialization/pinhole bug that was introduced in Windows Vista (and is featured in every version of Windows since then. Maybe they finally figured out how to fix it!

Now if only they would fix the damn bug they introduced in November 2017 that makes everything run 33% slower (ie, leaves 33% of the CPU idle) ... You know, the one you can "work around" by disabling Windows Defender "realtime" protection.

WIndows is the only Operating System ever written where "progress" does not increase until some resource is 100% consumed. It can sit playing with itself for inordinate amounts of time consuming no CPU, doing no I/O.

Maybe they can get rid of the "sleep loops" while they are at it -- but then they would have to make actual improvements rather than just incrementing the version numbers.

Re:Not surprised given the quality of their update

[SeaFox]

No, it is surprising, given the quality of their updates. I mean, think about it... This bug is so bad even Microsoft is not willing to ship with it still open. That must be a seriously nasty bug if they wont let it go.

Re: Not surprised given the quality of their updat

[Anonymous Coward]

we didn't run into trust issues

I do understand what you mean with domain relationships but on a parallel note, you do run Windows. All trust left the stables a long, long time ago.

Re:Compiler error delays release of Windows 10 upd

[Anonymous Coward]

what do you mean, last surviving QA staff?

Without the Spring Creators Update,

[John.Banister]

How will they create Spring? Did Jha hire Jadis of Charn?

Re:Without the Spring Creators Update,

[david_thornley]

And, if they haven't hired Jadis of Charn, why not? She's got the right attitude to make high-level decisions at Microsoft.

Trouble with the latest Service Pack..

[CptLoRes]

Ohh sorry.. I meant "Spring Creators Update".

Re:Not surprised given the quality of their update

[Mordaximus]

Lovely. That will play real nice with a Domain Controller. QA/QC at Micro$oft has gone to total shit; as if it wasn't already bad.

I'm not sure I'm comfortable with your allegation that Microsoft has ever done QA/QC

Re:Not surprised given the quality of their update

[Anonymous Coward]

Of course it has, they fired their QC department and enrolled all of us as beta testers.

Microsoft's Windows is a joke.

[Anonymous Coward]

Microsoft's Windows is nothing more than a toy.
Also for rather retarded childen...

A few linux distros could learn from this.

[Computershack]

Ubuntu has been released more than once with comments in Bugtraq from testers and developers saying "Show stopping bug, do not release" and Canonical has gone on and released it anyway because they put the deadline over everything and they're not the only Linux distro to do this. You should go read some Bugtraq reports in the days coming up to a new release of Ubuntu.

Re:A few linux distros could learn from this.

[Anonymous Coward]

Maybe so, but at least it's not a forced upgrade with no way to easily stop it for most users.

Re: Not surprised given the quality of their updat

[WallyL]

We got hit with this at work. Luckily we didn't run into trust issues but it did take us around 10 hours to run the "fix"they released.

Same here. The Windows team struggled for over 12 hours to roll back this patch manually. I was the one person on the (Windows+Linux) team they hadn't called, apparently, so I learned on Monday of the troubles.

Re:Not surprised given the quality of their update

[chrish]

Microsoft "restructured" the hell out of the QA group in 2014. Windows users are now the testers, but they don't seem to pay any attention to that Feedback tool in Win 10...

Re:Not surprised given the quality of their update

[david_thornley]

They didn't pay attention to user feedback for WIndows 8 either. Apparently, producing something more compatible with Windows Phone trumped people who merely wanted to get stuff done.