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Netflix CEO: Why Even $8 Billion Investment in Content Isn't Enough (axios.com)

Netflix expects to spend about $8 billion on content this year. For Hollywood studios, that's a reasonable figure. But for Netflix CEO Reed Hastings, it's not enough. From a report: The company is competing against a range of traditional entertainment companies around the globe, and of course, against the need to work, sleep and do other things. Speaking at TED in Vancouver, Hastings noted that $8 billion is about what Disney spends. "That's spread globally," he said. "It's not as much as it sounds." Hastings noted that House of Cards wasn't really the company's first effort at original content. It had tried back in the days when it was still mailing out DVDs. "It didn't work out because we were sub-scale," he said.

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  1. Re:Not the money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Oh, come on. What about "Altered Carbon", to name thing? Disney, to my dismay, managed to produce the most disappointing Star Wars movie to date.

  2. If Netflix by bobstreo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    would forget about Adam Sandler and swear to never create any content with Musical Contests, Batchelor* shows, or "deep hitting" news stories, they can save money and grow viewership.

    1. Re:If Netflix by JDeane · · Score: 4, Insightful

      About to cancel my subscription to Netflix and probably not for the reason or reasons most would...

      It's that damned auto play preview music and video clip every show plays if you move just so much as look at a picture for a moment...

      For like the first 10 minutes I thought it was cool, then I got mildly annoyed with it, then I looked for a way to turn it off.. Now I signed up for Direct TV Now and Amazon and maybe I will switch to Hulu... But really Netflix needs to have that optional.

    2. Re:If Netflix by bloodhawk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think the problem is these crappy reality shows are relatively cheap to put on, you don't need to pay the contestants and the prizes are generally a fraction of what real actors/script writers etc etc would cost. I saw a recent article claiming it was at a minimum double the cost for series episode and that is for the cheap less successful ones where they don't have to pay the talent as much.

    3. Re:If Netflix by bloodhawk · · Score: 2

      sticking with Netflix for now but a lot of the ways Netflix work piss me off hugely. The biggest issue is the changing categories for me, I have a set of favourite genres and categories, these for me should always be there. LET ME FUCKING SET THEM to always be their in the order I want. The lack of control over the interface really sucks.

    4. Re:If Netflix by JDeane · · Score: 2

      I agree.... 3rd party theme's would be awesome on Netflix also maybe 3rd party category tools/filters so you could install "Action Movie Extreme!!!" as a category and "Happy Halloween Super Slasher Flicks!!!"

      The theme thing would be nice if I could just get a simple hack to disable that one "feature", and it's not about data usage for me. Although I have heard people complaining that it chews up data unnecessarily, so if your on a phone or your ISP has data caps it can cost money.

      Give people a little of what they want and at a decent price is the best way to prevent piracy. Also listening to your customers is business 101 :(

  3. Too bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Their shows are shit. That's a lotta change to dump into the toilet.

    1. Re:Too bad by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You can always find someone who thinks everything is shit, but actually Netflix has produced some really good stuff over the years.

      Some of the Marvel stuff is great. Jessica Jones season 1 was some of the best TV of the last decade. Daredevil was pretty good, even The Punisher was quite enjoyable. Shame The Defenders sucked.

      Other stuff generally regarded as very good:

      - The Crown
      - Stranger Things
      - Black Mirror
      - Star Trek Discovery
      - Altered Carbon
      - House of Cards
      - The Foreigner
      - Better Call Saul
      - Making a Murderer
      - Orphan Black
      - The Expanse
      - Sense8
      - Master of None
      - Glow

      There is a lot more, especially if you don't mind subtitles.

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    2. Re:Too bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      UK series: 4 episodes
      US series: 65 episodes

      The "Netflix original content" branding means Netflix produced it (paid for at least part of the filming), not that they wrote the story. Under your definition, they couldn't claim Longmire or Altered Carbon since they were originally books and Longmire is extra seasons of a show that started on A&E, Making a Murderer since it's a documentary, Better Call Saul since it's a spin off of an AMC show, etc.

  4. DVD by markdavis · · Score: 4, Informative

    >It had tried back in the days when it was still mailing out DVDs

    Um, newsflash. The DVD/Bluray service has never ended. It is still quite popular, and the ONLY way to go if you want any choice in movies from Netflix (or if you have little or metered Internet).

    "Iconic since 1998. Celebrate 20 years of movies in your mailbox with behind-the-scenes videos, great movie recommendations, fun trivia, and the chance to win." http://dvd.netflix.com/

    1. Re:DVD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      and the ONLY way to go if you want any choice in movies from Netflix

      Yes - posted also in an AC thread but estimates are the DVD service has 100000 movies v. about 5600 for the streaming service. That's not even to mention the dvd services gets new titles sooner.

  5. Re:Not the money by quantaman · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How much do HBO invest because they've consistently produced watchable "content". Netflix, Disney... not really.

    I don't know though their revenue is about $2 billion.

    Note that HBO and Netflix have very different models, HBO is an add-on to an existing cable package. They aren't looking for mildly watchable content that's just good enough to temporarily distract you from the existential horror of your life after you finish dinner, they need to produce really high quality content so people who already have TV with a bunch of watchable content will go out of their way to purchase HBO with those awesome shows they want to see.

    So they don't want 20 decent shows, they just need 5 or 6 great shows.

    Netflix doesn't need amazing content, if people really needs something special they'll get HBO Go or go out to a movie. Netflix needs to make sure you never get bored, open your guide, and can't find anything interesting to watch.

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  6. Quality does matter more... by Cinnamon+Beige · · Score: 2

    How much do HBO invest because they've consistently produced watchable "content". Netflix, Disney... not really.

    Yeah, how much you actually spend on the thing has no direct relationship with how much money it makes. (See: Cutthroat Island, any one of the many enjoyable B-movies.) What you want is to spend the money well, on things people will actually want to see--throwing more money at a bad project will not actually help anything, unless the only thing that is wrong is it being painfully obvious that the budget for some key element is in the "~$5 found in a couch" region.

  7. Re:Not the money by MoaDweeb · · Score: 2

    Maybe but you went and saw it anyway. And will go see the next one.
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  8. Not telling the entire story ... by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The astute reader may notice that Netflix carries less and less network shows / movies and continues to push "Netflix Originals" -- all in an order to minimize a key expense.

    What expense?

    One of the secrets of the cable / streaming industry is that license costs continue to go up. In turn this gets passed onto the consumer.

    So when Netflix says Disney spends $8 Billion --- is that to _produce_ content or to _license_ content? And is that ALL media such as TV Shows AND Movies, or strictly JUST TV shows? And is that JUST Disney or does that include ALL of its subsidiaries ?

    Content cost are spiraling out of control.
    i.e. The ten episodes of the first season of Westworld were reportedly produced on a budget of approximately $100 million.

    Assuming that the $8 Billion Disney spends is solely to create content for TV shows -- that might seem like is a drop in the bucket compared to the budget of a few "blockbuster" movies. Here is a list of All the Disney films -- and here is a snippet of 2017 / 2018 movies:

    719. 2017 Dangal (Disney India)
    720. 2017 Beauty and the Beast (PG)
    721. 2017 Born in China (Disneynature) (G)
    722. 2017 Guardians of the Galaxy, Vol. 2 (Marvel) (PG-13)
    723. 2017 Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales (PG-13)
    724. 2017 Cars 3 (Pixar) (G)
    725. 2017 Jagga Jasoos (Disney India)
    726. 2017 Thor: Ragnarok (Marvel) (PG-13)
    727. 2017 Coco (Pixar) (PG)
    728. 2017 Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Lucasfilm) (PG-13)
    729. 2018 Black Panther (Marvel) (PG-13)
    730. 2018 A Wrinkle in Time (PG)

    Let's actually tally the budget -- assuming Disney foot the bill for all of its 2017 movies ...

    * Dangal, $11 million USD
    * Beauty and the Beast, budget $160 million USD
    * Guardians of the Galaxy, Vol. 2, budget $200 million USD
    * Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales, budget $230 million
    * Cars 3, budget $175 million USD
    * Thor: Ragnarok, budget $180 million USD
    * Coco, budget ???
    * Star Wars: The Last Jedi, budget $200 million USD
    * Black Panther, budget $200 million USD
    * A Wrinkle in Time, budget $100 million USD

    ... so around $1,156 million for Movies in 2017.

    Ergo it looks like $8 Billion was for BOTH movies AND TV Shows.

    What's really stupid is that the cable industry STILL relies on the inaccurate, archaic Nielsen ratings. Via the STB / DVR boxes they already have (relatively) accurate metrics of what people are watching but for some reason continue to use an idiotic Nielsen rating to bargain licensing costs -- because they aren't in the content creation business -- only the content licensing business.

    Since Netflix is in the process of migrating from strictly licensing content to producing content this $8 Billion figure shouldn't be a surprise.

    What I DO find surprising is that since Netflix can tell _exactly_ which shows are popular -- one would think they would use this "hard data" to lower licensing costs to carry multiple network shows. Instead we get few and fewer selections each year it seems. Has anyone tracked the quantity of content available on Netflix over the years?

  9. Re:I've become a netflix user... by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 2

    Same for me, but I would add proper fantasy and science-fiction categories. I don't know why people are putting those together.

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  10. Re:Not the money by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 2

    Saw Star Wars 24 times in theaters. Own it.

    TLJ saw once. Do not own it.

    Will not see Solo.

    Will not see 9.

    It's not female/male. I like Ahsoka and Jen.

    Kennedy is just toxic. As is Johnson.

    Star wars 7-9 should have finished the story instead of rebooting it and making 1-6 pointless.

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  11. Re:Not the money by Kiuas · · Score: 2

    Note that HBO and Netflix have very different models, HBO is an add-on to an existing cable package

    This is only partially true, and even then mostly in the US as far as I can tell. Here in the Nordics the majority of people who watch HBO content (myself included) do it through their streaming service HBO Nordic , their localized streaming service with a price point of 10 euros a month, essentially a direct competitor to Netflix. They also release plenty of stuff there that they've not produced themselves like Vikings, etc to keep up on the content race with Netflix & al.

    The models are slightly different in that HBO concentrates far more on series rather than movies (they mostly have older classics and not very many recent movies).

    I could get a cable but honestly with Netlifx, HBO and Amazon all being cheap as streaming services there's practically no need for me to ever even consider it.

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