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T-Mobile To Pay $40 Million Over False Ring Tones on Rural US Calls (reuters.com)

David Shepardson, writing for Reuters: T-Mobile USA agreed on Monday to pay $40 million to resolve a government investigation that found it failed to correct problems with delivering calls in rural areas and inserted false ring tones in hundreds of millions of calls, the Federal Communications Commission said. T-Mobile, a unit of Deutsche Telekom, agreed to changes and acknowledged that it had injected false ring tones into hundreds of millions of long-distance rural calls, the FCC said, in violation of FCC rules.

False ring tones "cause callers to believe that the phone is ringing at the called party's premises when it is not," the FCC said, noting uncompleted calls "cause rural businesses to lose revenue, impede medical professionals from reaching patients in rural areas, cut families off from their relatives, and create the potential for dangerous delays in public safety communications."

77 comments

  1. False ring tones? by ArchieBunker · · Score: 3

    What the hell is a false ring tone? My phone rings because T-Mobile asked it to?

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    1. Re:False ring tones? by cogeek · · Score: 5, Informative

      From the article, it's when a cell phone is not in range of service but someone calling it still hears a ring tone as though it's ringing on the other end of the line, rather than a "that device is not available currently. Please try back later" message.

    2. Re:False ring tones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As per the article:

      "The FCC said false ring tones “cause callers to believe that the phone is ringing at the called party’s premises when it is not.”"

      So you call someone. You hear a ringing sound, which normally indicates that a device on the other end is ringing to let a person know they have a call.

      Instead, the call actually hasn't gone through, and you're just waiting for nothing.

    3. Re:False ring tones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Basically they generated a ring tone before the call had actually been routed. So you'd call one of their subscribers, and it would start playing a ring tone back to you before it actually managed to find them and ring their phone. So on the caller's end, you might hear it ring 4 times, when it actually took a while to route and only rang once on the far end. This practice is explicitly forbidden by FCC regs.

    4. Re:False ring tones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Didn't think it was that uncommon. That was a problem when people thought that the phones on a downed airline were still ringing for some reason.

    5. Re:False ring tones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder if it has anything to do with the custom ringtones that you can use with T-Mobile. It could just be a flaw in the system.

    6. Re:False ring tones? by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      From the article, it's when a cell phone is not in range of service but someone calling it still hears a ring tone as though it's ringing on the other end of the line, rather than a "that device is not available currently. Please try back later" message.

      Thanks, but why wouldn't the call just go to voicemail in those cases? (assuming voicemail was setup and enabled)

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    7. Re:False ring tones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The ringing noise you hear isn't necessarily generated by the other end of the call when it completes the full route and the other phone actually starts ringing. it can and sometimes is generated by the carrier in between, or a PBX near the endpoint.

      When a carrier in between generates the ringtone before the call is actually routed and the other end is ringing, it's called "false ringtone"

    8. Re:False ring tones? by BitterOak · · Score: 1

      From the article, it's when a cell phone is not in range of service but someone calling it still hears a ring tone as though it's ringing on the other end of the line, rather than a "that device is not available currently. Please try back later" message.

      But my understanding is you're not charged for the call unless it is answered. We're they charging people for these calls? Otherwise, why the $40 million dollar penalty?

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    9. Re:False ring tones? by omnichad · · Score: 2

      That is not the original meaning of Ring tone. This refers to the sound a caller hears after dialing and thinks your phone is ringing.

    10. Re:False ring tones? by omnichad · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because you're fraudulently leading the person to believe that there's no problem with the T-mobile customer's signal/reception and that they are just not answering.

    11. Re:False ring tones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But what motivation would T-Mobile have for making it seem like the person is ignoring calls?

    12. Re:False ring tones? by known_coward_69 · · Score: 1

      If someone calls a rural area T-Mobile pays the receiving carrier. A lot of these are a scam and charge extremely high rates.

      Probably illegal not to route these calls, so T-Mobile found another way

    13. Re:False ring tones? by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      To give the impression that T-Mobile has a larger coverage area than it actually does.

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    14. Re:False ring tones? by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      The recorded message could say the device is unavailable and then redirect to voicemail...

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    15. Re:False ring tones? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      That's absolutely right. And because they didn't, they were fined

    16. Re:False ring tones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It looks like that could be at least partly correct. From TFA:

      In July, the FCC said “given the relatively high rates long-distance providers incur to terminate long-distance calls to rural carriers, long-distance providers have an incentive to reduce the per-minute cost of calls.”

      That gives companies a greater incentive “to hand off a call

      to an intermediate provider that is offering to deliver it cheaply,” the FCC said.

      T-Mobile told the FCC that in 2007 it began using servers that included a “Local Ring Back Tone” for calls from certain customers that took more than a certain amount of time to complete.

      I had considered using a custom ring back tone. Good thing I never got around to it.

    17. Re:False ring tones? by MyrddinBach · · Score: 1

      This is a bit disconcerting - I suppose in this case they were fined because they were doing this in order to cover up their spotty coverage. As in it was malicious.

      But still a bit disconcerting as this is very common practice in telecom. I work with telecom VOIP gateways and almost all calls are SIP now and the protocols have methods that allow gateways to generate the ringing you hear before the other end connects and starts to generate the ring from the far side. This is so the caller doesn't just hear empty silence or a series of beeps or whatever while we wait for the far end to connect. Now once the far end does connect we stop and play whatever media we are receiving so it generally doesn't happen for more than a ring or two but it can and has happened for 4-5 rings which is enough for impatient people to just hang up and think the other person is not answering.

    18. Re:False ring tones? by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      I suppose in this case they were fined because they were doing this in order to cover up their spotty coverage. As in it was malicious.

      Other way around. They weren't playing the ringtown to people calling their customers from rural areas, they were playing the ringtone to their customers calling landlines in rural areas. read the comment you replied to again, they explained the reasoning quite aptly.

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    19. Re:False ring tones? by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      That's absolutely right. And because they didn't, they were fined

      Seems pretty dumb, especially with the $40M fine. First-world company problems ... :-)

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    20. Re:False ring tones? by MyrddinBach · · Score: 1

      EIther way what I said still applies - doesn't matter who is calling whom - it is normal practice to generate ringtone back to the caller (no matter who they are or who they are calling) before the called numbers side connects and starts generating their own ringtone.

    21. Re:False ring tones? by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      The most "corporate" reason for doing it - and getting fined for it - that I can find is:

      If someone calls a rural area T-Mobile pays the receiving carrier. A lot of these are a scam and charge extremely high rates.

      It's also, basically, a lie. If you hear a ring, you expect that the other person's phone is ringing. If it isn't, that's false information, regardless of whether the customer ends up paying for the call or not.

      The FCC said false ring tones “cause callers to believe that the phone is ringing at the called party’s premises when it is not.” The agency added that uncompleted calls “cause rural businesses to lose revenue, impede medical professionals from reaching patients in rural areas, cut families off from their relatives, and create the potential for dangerous delays in public safety communications.”

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    22. Re:False ring tones? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      They were trying to cover up that their customers weren't actually getting service they were paying for. They collected more than $40M from affected rural customers in service fees - totally fair.

    23. Re:False ring tones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      How would it make them seem like they have a larger coverage area? These are T-Mobile customers calling rural telephones that are handled by other carriers, such as landlines or non T-Mobile mobile phones.

      The article mentions that it has something to do with handing calls over to lower rate intermediaries who are supposed to complete the calls. This may not be entirely T-Mobile's fault.

    24. Re: False ring tones? by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      It does matter if you're going to accuse them of doing it to cover up spotty coverage. If you have no coverage, you get no ringtone because your call never connects to their network for them to fake the ringtone in the first place; suddenly, it matters who's calling who.

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    25. Re:False ring tones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you'd call one of their subscribers, and it would start playing a ring tone back to you before it actually managed to find them and ring their phone.

      Other way around. T-Mobile customers were calling long distance phones handled by rural carriers. Because those rural carriers charge exorbitant connect fees, T-Mobile hired cheaper intermediate providers to connect those calls for them. Those intermediate providers either weren't connecting calls fast enough or failing to connect them. In the meantime, T-Mobile was playing fake ringback tones to the person calling.

      T-Mobile certainly has some blame here, but so do the intermediate providers.

    26. Re:False ring tones? by fazig · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it was pretty dumb of T-Mobile to do this and getting caught. They knew the rules in the US and that punitive damages can be quite high.

    27. Re:False ring tones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tricksy hobittses! Making our phoneses ring false! Give it back to us! Give back our ring tone! Give back... MY PRECCCIOUSSSSS!

    28. Re:False ring tones? by omnichad · · Score: 2

      You're right. But the article doesn't actually say this except indirectly.

      Here is the quote from the actual FCC report that explains it much better than any of the articles that were written without digging at all:

      7. Beginning in June and continuing through the summer of 2016, the Commission received
      complaints from three rural incumbent LECs in Wisconsin. These complaints, which were filed in the
      Commission’s rural call completion e-mail box, alleged over 40 incidents in which T-Mobile customers
      were unable to complete calls to consumers served by these three rural providers. Many of the complaints
      reported that the calling party heard ring tones on call attempts that failed to reach the rural customers.
      The Enforcement Bureau (Bureau) served these complaints on T-Mobile and requested that the Company
      contact the complainants, investigate and resolve the problems, and submit reports of its investigations to
      the Bureau. In two instances, the Bureau pointed out to T-Mobile that the Commission’s rules prohibit
      sending ring tones to the calling party before the called party is alerted to an incoming call.

      8. T-Mobile subsequently filed with the Bureau reports of its investigations of the
      complaints. In each instance, T-Mobile reported that it had handed the call off to an intermediate
      provider for delivery, and that any reported problems had been “resolved.” T-Mobile stated that it
      believed that the actions taken by intermediate providers in response to each complaint had remedied all
      problems and did not specifically address the ring tone issue raised in some of the complaints.

    29. Re:False ring tones? by tribalmixes · · Score: 1

      you can get ringtones using some youtube to mp3 website too... and then it'll be some none-stop beyonce song going... thanks, t-mobile! =)

    30. Re:False ring tones? by queBurro · · Score: 1

      we used to do that with landlines, back in the day. You'd connect to the dialling tone as fast as you could while you routed the call to its destination. The caller then thinks they're waiting for someone to pick up when they're in fact waiting for the routing to finish.

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    31. Re:False ring tones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are we reading the same article? It says right there what is going on.

      In July, the FCC said “given the relatively high rates long-distance providers incur to terminate long-distance calls to rural carriers, long-distance providers have an incentive to reduce the per-minute cost of calls.”

      That gives companies a greater incentive “to hand off a call to an intermediate provider that is offering to deliver it cheaply,” the FCC said.

      T-Mobile told the FCC that in 2007 it began using servers that included a “Local Ring Back Tone” for calls from certain customers that took more than a certain amount of time to complete.

    32. Re:False ring tones? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      The article doesn't even specify whether the T-mobile customer was the caller or the callee who couldn't be reached. Lots of passive voice and non-specific wording.

    33. Re:False ring tones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes it did, right in the section that I quoted. I understood what they meant perfectly the very first time I read it.

    34. Re:False ring tones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The caller has never had a way to know if the other end hears a ring or not let alone why a call goes unanswered. This has been true for land lines and cell phones since the beginning.

      1.) Not home
      2.) Ringer turned off
      3.) On another call
      4.) Don't want to answer
      5.) Dead battery
      6.) Phone set to silent
      7.) Phone turned off
      8.) Out of range

      With all of these case, land line or cell, due to carrier hosted voicemail, the phone will ring and voicemail will pickup. The ringing itself doesn't tell the caller anything aside from their carrier is trying to connect the call to the other number.

  2. wtf is a false ring tone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    inserted false ring tones

    like they pretended you were getting phone calls to convince you your reception was good? these words make no sense arranged in this order

  3. More good stuff from Ajit Pai by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FCC chairman Ajit Pai said in a statement it “is a basic tenet of the nation’s phone system that calls be completed to the called party, without a reduction in the call quality — even when the calls pass through intermediate providers. The FCC is committed to ensuring that phone calls to all Americans, including rural Americans, go through."

    Glad Obama appointed him to the FCC board.

    1. Re: More good stuff from Ajit Pai by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too bad he doesn't feel the same way about the internet.

    2. Re:More good stuff from Ajit Pai by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is low quality bait.

  4. What a terrible summary by MikeDataLink · · Score: 2, Informative

    From the article:

    The FCC said false ring tones “cause callers to believe that the phone is ringing at the called party’s premises when it is not.” The agency added that uncompleted calls “cause rural businesses to lose revenue, impede medical professionals from reaching patients in rural areas, cut families off from their relatives, and create the potential for dangerous delays in public safety communications.”

    TL;DR: They made your phone ring in the caller's ear, even though the call was probably not ringing at the receiver's end.

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    1. Re:What a terrible summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they did that before connect, it is slightly bad, but not too bad. If they issued a false connect and then played the false ringtone then that is bad, because start of billing is on connect

    2. Re:What a terrible summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they did that before connect, it is slightly bad, but not too bad. If they issued a false connect and then played the false ringtone then that is bad, because start of billing is on connect

      Thus the losing revenue side of it. People pay for the call even though it never completed, though was logged as connected. VOIP providers _love_ doing this.

      Devils advocate but the flip side of it is in theory robocall centers and wardialers pay regardless. Also means three letter agencies can ping your phone without going through the provider.

  5. Too bad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "FCC chairman Ajit Pai said in a statement it “is a basic tenet of the nation’s phone system that calls be completed to the called party, without a reduction in the call quality — even when the calls pass through intermediate providers. The FCC is committed to ensuring that phone calls to all Americans, including rural Americans, go through.”"

    Too bad he doesn't feel the same way about connections made over the internet.

    1. Re:Too bad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Silicon Valley techbros see regulation as damage and route around it. Deal with it!

    2. Re:Too bad... by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Well that statement says nothing about whether who you are calling is being charged in addition to their monthly rate to make sure your particular call to them doesn't suck.

      So he doesn't mind degraded service to you, independent of what you pay, after all.

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    3. Re:Too bad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You keep pressing that lie, but what he says and what he's done have been incredibly consistent. Obama's incumbent protecting "net neutrality" scam was not properly executed, he said as much, and did exactly what he said he'd do. Stop lying.

  6. Tmobile... Not great out in the boondocks by Virtucon · · Score: 2

    I'm a tmobile customer and frankly this has annoyed me. I've been hit by it when I have to travel out into the remote expanses where I'm roaming or in a weak tmobile signal area. It does ring but no voicemail nothing, just ring ring ring.. It's annoying as fuck.

    Now, I'm doubly pissed at tmobile but I'm also pissed that I'm not the one that'll be compensated for my trouble, it'll be the feds.. Why should they
    pocket the loot if I'm the guy that's been wronged?

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    1. Re:Tmobile... Not great out in the boondocks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you don't like it, go vote someone else into office to get the money instead of you or who is currently getting it.

    2. Re:Tmobile... Not great out in the boondocks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because you're not the one who sued? You can probably start a class action suit now that the feds have found that T-Mobile did in fact act in the wrong.

    3. Re:Tmobile... Not great out in the boondocks by Dagger2 · · Score: 1

      The goal is to get T-Mobile to change their bad behavior, and if this fine gets them to do it (which, at $40M, seems like it might not...) then the goal is achieved, regardless of where the money goes.

      Most of the affected people will be non-T-Mobile customers; the only identification T-Mobile have is their phone numbers. Tracking down the owner of each phone number at the time of each call and mailing out who knows how many millions of checks would likely cost more than the fine amount, at which point you wouldn't be getting anything anyway.

      It's perhaps unfortunate that the fine doesn't go to the people who were wronged, but that's not a good reason to not do the fine. At least this way the money can be channelled into other enforcement efforts (although given that this is the US, I have a feeling that's probably not what's actually going to happen to it).

  7. Routing tones... by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 4, Informative

    Problem is that the US network doesn't use separate routing tones, so there would have to be silence while the device is looked for. Other countries have routing tones that sound like a fast "dah-dah-dah-dah-dah" when the phone is being located or the call is being switched, only changing to a ring tone (often sounds like BEEEEEP-BEEEEEEP) when the phone is actually ringing.

    1. Re:Routing tones... by starblazer · · Score: 1

      well, actually, we do.

      There was a time the Nextel network would say "Please wait while the Nextel subscriber you called is located......... Please wait... etc" and then once the endpoint started ringing, ringing tones. It's just lazyness on the telecoms part.

    2. Re:Routing tones... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1 long tone with a long pause is the dial tone (it is not contiguous like in US)
      1 long tone with a short pause is the switching/locating tone (same pitch as dial tone)
      2 long tones in group with lower pitch than the dial tone is the ring tone.
      2 short tones in group with higher pith than the dial tone is the remote side being busy.
      2 groups of 3 paid tones with short pause in between is call failure, before or affect connect. (dah-dah-dah dah-dah-dah)

    3. Re:Routing tones... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So Verizon does this too. That explains the 7 rings I get calling my dad half the time....Voice mail is set for 4 rings, the other 3 are a lie. Sigh, just gotta love modern business practices :/

  8. They are all false by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    As someone who is involved with modern telecom, I can say that all ringtones are false. The tone used to be generated by the analog system when the high ring voltage was sent to the destination phone. Therefore all ringtones are false.

    The modern systems are supposed to start generating the tones once a connection is more or less established between the endpoints. This is often well before the destination endpoint actually generates the ring voltage (in the case of a real analog PSTN connection) or a tone on the destination digital device.

    This is why if you call another phone in the same room the rings you hear on the calling phone's speaker will not match the actual "rings" on the ringing device.

    It looks like the FCC was taking T-Mo to task for generating the tones on calls it knew were not going to complete.

    1. Re:They are all false by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As someone who is involved with modern telecom, I can say that all ringtones are false. The tone used to be generated by the analog system when the high ring voltage was sent to the destination phone. Therefore all ringtones are false.

      Ooh, smug and technically correct. You must be fighting the [gender of your choice] off with a stick.

    2. Re:They are all false by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It depends on the implementation. Most VOIP device and software generate the ringtone artificially at the caller site. However you are suppose to wait for signal from server indicating the callee is receiving the proper events. Some lazy programmer will just have the calling phone ring immediately regardless of any events even when you cannot contact the server. Some server provider will generate these ring tone signal from server even if the callee is no where to be found, this is especially true when using VOIP.

    3. Re:They are all false by Strider- · · Score: 1

      Exactly this. Years ago, I was setting up a VOIP system over Satellite, so I wound up doing a lot of packet and event tracing between our SS7 trunk, the H.323 signalling, and listening to the phones.

      My users actually complained of the dead air when they initially dialed, as the satellite adds just over 550ms round-trip time to the call setup. Never mind the time to locate a cellular phone at the other end of the call.

      When we dial out our Iridium satellite backup phone, it generates pips while it attempts to make the connection to the PSTN. Once it makes the connection, it generates standard North American dialing sounds (though I presume those are generated locally, as they don't sound like they've been through AMBE).

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  9. WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm all for reasonable regulation, but this seems like a blatant shakedown. There are lots of good reasons to provide local ringback. Carriers have been transitioning to SIP backbones for years now. Unfortunately, due to the "standard-not-a-standard" nature of SIP, there are a lot of integration and routing issues that occur when you go to an IP backbone. Individual calls can take more time to set up through an intermediate network due to IP routing issues, congestion, different equipment manufacturers etc.

    When that happens would you rather hear a whole lot of nothing for several long seconds, or would you rather hear something (like a ring maybe) so that you don't continually hang up and redial (causing more call setup congestion in the process)? How is providing ringback hurting anyone? I don't really understand what they're regulating here.

    1. Re:WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if the caller thinks the phone on the other end has been ringing for longer than it actually has, they might hang up before the phone is picked up.

      Also, it covers up phone service that is crappy and slow to connect, shifting the blame for slow pickup to the callee, even when it's the phone company that's really at fault.

    2. Re:WTF? by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      When that happens would you rather hear a whole lot of nothing for several long seconds

      Yes.
      Thankfully, that wipes out the purpose of your entire wall of text.

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    3. Re:WTF? by bws111 · · Score: 1

      If you hear 'a whole lot of nothing' you generally (correctly) assume that the phone system is at fault. If you hear a ring tone, and nobody answers, you assume that the person just isn't answering the phone. Does it matter? Yes. If you know that the phone system is not setting up your call in a reasonable time, maybe it is time to switch carriers. But, supposing you are trying to reach someone, and they appear to be just not answering the phone. Why? If it is a business, are they too busy to answer the phone? If it is emergency services, why aren't they answering? Etc.

    4. Re:WTF? by war4peace · · Score: 1

      Let's say I am an asshole manager calling a member of my team and he never picks up the phone.
      In reality he's on his way to the location but out of signal reach.

      Let's assume I am calling my wife which I know was supposed to drive through a no-signal zone. I call her, get a ring tone, assume she's at home but for some reason can't answer. In reality she had an accident in the no-signal zone. I could have inferred something's wrong by getting a non-reachable tone instead of a ringing tone.

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    5. Re: WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can always count on the US to find something they can make a foreign company pay a disproportionate amount of money over.

  10. Wee ho by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    Luckily I have Cricket (AT&T) and it doesn't even work in my basement where the rec. room is (and me).

    1. Re:Wee ho by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cricket has their own problems. No telemarketer blocking, texts delayed for hours, etc.

  11. T-Mobile's not the only one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We couldn't get Telstra (Australia) to acknowledge they were inserting false ring tones into calls to my father's landline until we submitted video evidence of us calling it from a mobile - right beside it. The mobile has happily ringing away on speakerphone while the table top phone remained stubbornly silent. Up until then Telstra refused to admit there was a problem, "no sir, the line tests OK."

    1. Re:T-Mobile's not the only one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Telstra are utter cunts.

  12. Ringback tone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is technically called a ringback tone. It's generated locally; that is, it is not synchronized with the actual ring on the other end. That's why, on old landline telephones, someone would answer the telephone before you heard it actually ring on your calling end.

  13. What are they supposed to do? by Snotnose · · Score: 1

    For '95 to '00 I was a consultant for Globalstar. One of the problems we faced was the phone was too quiet, people would think Something Went Wrong, and hang up. We solved it by replacing the nothing with white noise. Cost G* money to do so. Sending nothing cost nothing as we didn't have to setup/teardown a call, but for white noise we had to setup the call, send a packet of white noise, and teardown the call (think of knocking on a door, as opposed to putting mail in a mailbox).

    I guess they could come up with a "working on it" tone, but who is going to know what that is? That's a hell of an education campaign someone has to pay for.

    1. Re:What are they supposed to do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess they could come up with a "working on it" tone, but who is going to know what that is? That's a hell of an education campaign someone has to pay for.

      "We're sorry, we are unable to reach the number you are dialing"

      You see, that would imply that the phone is off or has no signal, which if we're talking about T-Mobile just means that they are not currently in a major city or very close to one.

      And since they have a very limited network, it sure looks like they might have been doing this to try to hide that fact.

  14. Sounds similar. by sims+2 · · Score: 1

    I have a problem with a phone I put on pageplus it can't receive calls from any of our verizon wireless phones however it rings like normal it's just the pageplus phone doesn't actually ring (it does from any other carriers line).

    Verizon blames pageplus and pageplus blames verizon and nobody will fix it.

    Extra info
    The verizon wireless lines can call the pageplus phone successfully but only if they are either on VoLTE or roaming.
    Just to note pageplus uses verizon wireless network.

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  15. Why not fine everyone else? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm confused by this because many providers do the same damn thing and not only is it ANNOYING, but BREAKS phone routing. There are providers who charge on _ring_ too. Hell anyone whose ever called a lost cellphone only to hear rings on their end but no actual phone ringing, knows exactly why this is stupid.

    They are called call progression tones, aka SIT and most certainly are present in North America. I explicitly do not enable ring in Asterisk until at least one device actually rings (ACD queue or IVR). It also allows for terminating calls with zap/reorder/whatever.

    Can we _PLEASE_ stop putting kids in charge of tech companies? Thank you.

  16. An analogy: by thomn8r · · Score: 1

    You pay FedEx to ship a package to BFE Nebraska. FedEx updates the tracking info to show the package delivered, but they really just tossed it in a dumpster because the didn't feel like driving that far.

  17. executive malfeasance bonus repatriation by epine · · Score: 1

    Yeah, it was pretty dumb of T-Mobile to do this and getting caught. They knew the rules in the US and that punitive damages can be quite high.

    They (the actual humans who work there) also know that annual bonuses are profit driven, and that those bonuses are rarely clawed back when it turns out those profits were delivered along with a ticking time bomb hidden under the floor boards.

    Executive bonuses can be fabulously remunerative. Gaming internal performance metrics is also open season.

    These slap-on-the-corporate-wrist punishments would work so much better if they mandated executive malfeasance bonus repatriation.

    1. Re:executive malfeasance bonus repatriation by epine · · Score: 2

      Furthermore, in game theoretic terms, the upside is all the unethical scams combined, and the downside is only those which you eventually get caught (and these with a fat net-present-value depreciation term).

      This is why the controlling stakeholders set up bonus conditions that the senior executive ranks can game to their personal advantage.

      The fines on the ones you don't get away with simply aren't large enough (historically) to deter a general ethos of catch while catch can.

      It's an extremely tough problem in mechanism design how to incentivize executives to cut the legal corners where the aggregate ROI is positive, without incentivizing the executives to cut the rare, extremely dangerous legal corner where the ROI is a nightmare on wheels (Volkswagon might be in this later camp, although set against that, the threat to their diesel consumer franchise had they not cheated was possibly existential).

      The stakeholders have a severe oversight problem, because you want plausible deniability on the upside scam, which makes it hard to formally poke into what the management team is doing (leaving actual breadcrumbs behind) when you suspect they might be playing more than a little over the edge.

      Breaking the law just right: priceless.

      That's why they make the big bucks.