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'Increasingly, People in Silicon Valley Are Losing Touch With Reality' (500ish.com)

Longtime commentator MG Siegler writes: You can see it in the tweets. You can hear it at tech conferences. Hell, you can hear it at most cafes in San Francisco on any given day. People -- really smart people -- saying some of the most vacuous things. Words that if they were able to take a step outside of their own heads and hear, they'd be embarrassed by. Or, at least, these are stances, thoughts, and ideas that these people should be embarrassed by. But they're clearly not because they keep saying them. This isn't only about Facebook -- far from it. That's just the most high profile and timely example of a company suffering from some of this. And in that case, it's really more in their responses to the Cambridge Analytica situation, rather than the situation itself (which is another matter, though undoubtedly related). They don't know the right things to say because they don't know what to say, period. Because they've slipped out of touch.

But again, I feel like this is increasingly everywhere I look around tech. It's an industry filled with some of the most brilliant people in the world, which makes it all the more disappointing. I won't name names but also because I don't have to. I'd wager everyone reading this will have clear and obvious examples of what I'm talking about in their own circles -- even if only in their own virtual circles. This is everywhere. I don't know the cause of this. Perhaps we can blame part of it on Trump, even if only indirectly (a man who has gotten ahead in life by saying asinine things). If I had to guess, I'd say the root is an increasing sense of entitlement as the tech industry has grown in stature to become the most important from a fiscal perspective and arguably from a cultural perspective as well.

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  1. Idiot post about Silicon Valley by CajunArson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Starts off with: People in silicon valley are in a bubble.

    True statement.

    Ends with: It's basically Trump's fault that people in Silicon Valley are in a bubble.

    Yeah... that basically shows the author is basically in the same bubble as the people in Silicon Valley.

    Lemme guess: The main conclusion is that the elitists in Silicon Valley aren't Pavlovianly "woke" enough, which is why they are in the bubble?

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    1. Re:Idiot post about Silicon Valley by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Isn't it likely that the writer is in a separate bubble too -- a bubble not exposed to the real world of unregulated commerce, or values different from the writers. I think the Trump reference gives it away, and the shock of finding out that the tech industry consists of people, just like energy, real-estate and banking industries.

    2. Re:Idiot post about Silicon Valley by AvitarX · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I stopped reading when it was said there'd be no examples.

      I don't actually know what the author is talking about.

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    3. Re:Idiot post about Silicon Valley by Lab+Rat+Jason · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I came here to say this... without any context he just sounds super pretentious. He may well be right, but good arguments are backed up with evidence, and his is not.

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    4. Re:Idiot post about Silicon Valley by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is a very common tactic in low quality opinion rags. The article is carefully worded to avoid specifics, so that the reader fills in the gaps themselves and thinks that it's about the people they personally dislike.

      Another example of this is the phrase "SJW". No-one can agree on exactly what it means, which is why it's so successful. It means whoever the reader disagrees with and thinks is an idiot, basically a cheat code to make everyone agree with you.

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    5. Re:Idiot post about Silicon Valley by nine-times · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ends with: It's basically Trump's fault that people in Silicon Valley are in a bubble.

      More like there's one throw-away line in the middle saying maybe Trump is partially to blame, and then drops the idea.

      Seems like you're being a bit sensitive. I guess he's just not being PC enough for you, and mentioning Trump hurt your feelings. He shouldn't mistreat such a delicate little snowflake.

    6. Re:Idiot post about Silicon Valley by bsDaemon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The article is not very well written. He also doesn't give examples, and said as much. That said, it doesn't mean that Silicon Valley isn't a bubble of group think, weird-ass ideas, and other such things. Examples have been repeatedly satirized on HBO's "Silicon Valley," including:

      * Quit college and go live in an incubator, because you know, who cares about a well-rounded education
      * "making the world a better place"
      * "Blood Boys" and parabiosis.
      * The reverse scarlet letter syndrome with the Christian in this past week's episode
      * The Matrix as a pseudoreligion (living in a computer simulation)
      * The obsession with "the singularity"

      If you spend five minutes on twitter looking at tech people you'll see it to varying degrees.

      You have a concentration of people that are generally fairly intelligent but aren't necessarily cut out for dealing with people (nerds) trying to create a nerd paradise while being taken advantage of by much more savvy people who actually control the money. They're probably no weirder than nerds of the past, but they have the platform to broadcast their weirdness and enough money for people to take them at least somewhat seriously. Additionally, because the are living in a bubble of their own creation they assume that their intelligence in one area conveys to other areas as well.

      The "omg Trump" aspect of the article is really just related to an on-going, ever-present aspect of society. Nerds are weird and that weirdness has led to nerds being the traditional victims of bullying. This is the soft of thing that causes resentment, and that resentment is probably manifested in the desire to push "disruptive" technology which is accelerating the destabilization of the economy. The desire to "automate people out of a job" can't really be articulated without a whiff of malice to it. Perhaps there are some people that really think the world will be like Star Trek -- but remember, the world of Star Trek comes after a major global war. "AI" may have the prospect of greatly improving lives, but if not rolled out and implemented correctly, it's going to make life miserable for a whole lot of normal people. The current issues around data collection and analytics, which are stepping stones towards AI systems, is a current manifestation of that every bit as much as automating factory work away is.

      The current and future economic issues are, in large part, what drove many people to vote for Trump. His distaste for silicon valley is palpable. His goals and not those of silicon valley. His base is not aligned with silicon valley. But the Trump issue is more or less a side-show. He can be a useful stand-in for the divergence between "normal, every day Americans" and Silicon Valley types, but it's hard to say it's all about Trump.

    7. Re:Idiot post about Silicon Valley by AuMatar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The phrase "SJW" means "I'm an idiot and everything I say should be ignored". I find treating it that way works perfectly.

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    8. Re: Idiot post about Silicon Valley by david_thornley · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, the real problem is that we're talking about humans. Washington, D.C. has been in a bubble for a long time (and pretty well satisfies your list of adjectives in many ways), and the millennials don't have the power there.

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    9. Re:Idiot post about Silicon Valley by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1, Insightful

      See, immediately modded as troll. No one can agree, and even questioning it triggers some people.

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      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    10. Re:Idiot post about Silicon Valley by bobbied · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I was citing an example from the current news cycle.

      Where I make no apology for my political views, I DO expect that others would recognize the issue from my example. Personally, I welcome discussions which originate from widely varying political perspectives, even ones I find offensive.

      The real problem here is how folks define "tolerance" as being "don't offend anybody." That's not tolerance, it's something else. Tolerance is knowing that it's OK to be offended by someone else's perspective and even express that you are offended, while letting folks be dead wrong if they insist. True tolerance recognizes that I'm responsible only for myself because I have no control over you. I can get angry about your stupidity and even tell you why I'm angry, but I cannot stop you if you won't listen.

      Social media platforms have been trying to filter out offense... Something that I firmly believe is impossible.. But that's another topic..

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    11. Re:Idiot post about Silicon Valley by david_thornley · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So... you're disagreeing with AmiMojo that the term has no meaning?

      I'm pointing out that the Urban Dictionary definition cited above is bipartisan.

      Not really. Slashdot is mostly libertarian.

      Slashdot's a lot more varied than that. There are Trump supporters, and Trump isn't libertarian. He appeals to the far right, the nihilists, and the gullible. There's a fair number of us leftists.

      For example, slashdot objects to the attack on video games from BOTH the right and the left (the Jack Thompsons and Anita Sarkeesians)

      I was against violent video games before I started seriously looking at the evidence. They don't see to harm people in general, and some people find them fun. I'm not convinced that the right and the left are united against video games (except for the complaints all my life about anything teens find to do that isn't sex or drugs).

      Slashdot is also more concerned on issues related to copyright and piracy than traditional left or right wing. Ditto concerns on online privacy

      Yeah, and not that long ago I was about to wax eloquent about H-1B visas when I realized nobody in the room was likely to know or care. Slashdot is quite sensitive to issues that affect software developers.

      Ditto crypto-currenies and their effects on societies/economies/governments.

      If what you mean to say is that a lot of us have fairly strong opinions, sure. If you're trying to imply any trace of consensus, you're wrong.

      The bigger concern is over having the state/taxpayers pay for other people's abortions. Ditto gay rights.

      And all those who think it's murder and all those who think it's part of health care and should be paid for like other health care should be. I'm fine with my tax dollars going to help people with psoriasis or depression; why not those who need abortions?

      As far as gay rights, why would treating them like everybody else cost money? I don't think that oppressing them to improve other people's financial positions would be popular here.

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  2. Person in bubble by TimMD909 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Seems that a person in a bubble is aware enough to notice other people's bubbles but not his/her own bubble.

  3. Not just the valley. by Hugh+Jorgen · · Score: 3, Insightful

    First world countries that think Internet Outages are a disaster and where priorities are selfies and self-driving cars and toilets with LEDs in them ...

  4. I would be embarrassed... by thegarbz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If I typed that much without saying anything or making a point.

    1. Re:I would be embarrassed... by Sperbels · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I've found most Medium.com posts seem to be like this.

    2. Re:I would be embarrassed... by Headw1nd · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is spot on. The author simply repeats conventional wisdom as if it were an insight, without adding anything concrete or actionable.

  5. What is this, your blog? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Listen, not that I disagree with you on silicon valley being out of touch, but WTF is this doing on slashdot?

  6. No examples? by i_ate_god · · Score: 5, Insightful

    > I won’t name names or give examples because I’m not an asshole.

    ok, so I have no idea what you're referring to then

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    1. Re:No examples? by Zocalo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Nor, I suspect, do many people who don't mingle with Silicon Valley types on a regular basis, which essentially turns the whole article into a meta example of what it claims. The author makes a claim that people in Silicon Valley (amongst other groups) are losing touch with reality because they are making vacuous statements, and then renders the article itself vacuous by failing to provide any supporting evidence or examples to back up his assertion. Or maybe it's just meant to be ironic?

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  7. saying what things by GodWasAnAlien · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "really smart people—saying some of the most vacuous things."

    What things. Just one example.?

    This article is a joke with no punchline.

  8. The Deep South of the West Coast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    The best way to sum up the SF Bay Area is this: "The Deep South of the West Coast". They are every bit as willfully ignorant, deluded and brainwashed as the bible-banging racist MAGA-hat wearers. The SF Bay is an echo chamber of ProgLib Politics just as the Deep South is an Echo Chamber of the GOPs and Evangelical messages of "God and Country" and both of these communities have NO TOLERANCE for any form of deviance from their mono-culture

    Frankly I think the US is in store for a mass civil upheaval, and considering one side is very well armed and "has god on their side", and the other are physically weak, deluded and over-confident assholes, take one guess about which side will win

    By 2035 the US will be a 3rd World Theocracy on par with Iran or Afghanistan, with racial purges and religious persection
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    1. Re:The Deep South of the West Coast by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And you think the GOP, NRA and the hundreds of right wing militias are ever going to let that happen? In fact -- that could be what starts armed conflict in the US. Lord knows the NRA have all but called for the slaughter of the Left,

      Wow...just....wow.

      You really believe that?

      Did it never occur to you that the NRA is made up of and supported BY citizens of the United States, and that the organization is there to lobby on their behalf?

      This isn't some mindless entity that is trying to push its evil views on the country, it is a representative of the people that value their 2A rights.

      If the left wasn't trying to gun grab again....you'd not see this level of animosity that does seem to be brewing somewhat, but then again, what can you expect when you have sections of the US, trying to infringe upon the LONG held rights of many others in the US. You expect them to give up easily?

      I'm actually shocked, to see how many people today, and it is mostly youths, that are so willing it seems to voluntarily give up their own rights.

      And once you do give up said rights, you pretty much never can give them back.

      But using words like slaughter, etc....that's really going above board. No one is calling for that.

      If anything, I see more vitriol of that type actually coming from the left these days....they are the ones having the more violent protests these days.

      If, however, there ever came a time with there was an attempt at mass confiscation, then yes....you likely would see violence.

      I don't forsee it coming to that, but if constitutional rights get stomped on too much, it could get messy.

      But do realize...that's what this country was founded upon, you know? Rights were hard fought for....the British didn't really nicely want to give us up if you recall. The founding fathers felt strongly enough to fight for their independence and to have a country with inherit rights.

      One of the reasons for the 2nd Amendment, was to have some insurance that the government didn't become too overbearing and intrusive again. It wasn't passed to just assure people they could still hunt food.

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  9. People without "real" problems create new ones by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For themselves and everyone around them. From celebrities to soccer moms to, yes, why not SV inhabitants. I have no idea where this urge comes from, but listen to anyone, literally anyone, who doesn't have any real problems to deal with, i.e. those that have the first and pretty much the second level of the pyramid of needs fulfilled and overfulfilled. You'll notice them lament about problems that are none. They actually start inventing problems they can lament about if they really can't find any.

    Meanwhile, out here in reality, we shake our heads about them and wonder whether these are really role models and something to aspire to.

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  10. Dunning–Kruger effect by borcharc · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Tech people are really good at falling victim to the Dunning–Kruger effects https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.... They equate their highly specialized technical abilities or "smarts" with being at the upper end of the cognitive spectrum overall. Where in fact, they are unable to baseline a "smart" person, so they assume they are one, because of their success in a very limited area. This is reinforced by people telling them how smart they are. Where in reality they understand a somewhat simple topic that the person giving the compliment lacks an understanding of.

    The Dunning–Kruger effect is not just in tech, most people who are less than average overall assume they are at the upper end of the spectrum. This is entirely caused by a lack of a real point of comparison, they are ignorant of what they are ignorant of and no one dares tell them differently. They then feel they have authority to speak on topics where they have no more expertise than the average fifth grader. A great example of this is a genetics professor I once had given a lecture (in a high-level genetics class) about computer security. He was repeting a perspective that had recently been published in the media. He spoke with complete authority on the topic, but due to my lifetime in security, I know everything he was saying was sensationally fake. He lacked the perspective to understand that he wasn't smart in this area but claimed his high-level knowledge in biology allowed him to be an expert in every possible field. This is the exact same force at work...

  11. horoscope ethics by epine · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah...the author seems to make a LOT of assumptions that everyone knows what he is talking about, as far as opinions and all.

    He never gave a single example of one of these thoughts the Silicon Valley folks have that are out of touch.

    Horoscope: Someone you thought was pretty smart will say something odd.

    Reader: Odd how?

    Horoscope: You don't know the first thing about horoscopes, do you?

  12. Lefties still don't get it by es330td · · Score: 4, Insightful

    a man who has gotten ahead in life by saying asinine things

    The left, and many on the right, fail to grasp how incredibly shrewd Trump is. I don't much care for him as a person but the facts are undeniable that he is a successful real estate developer in NYC. It doesn't matter if his original seed money came from his father, one does not build ANYTHING in Manhattan without having a lot of clues. A great many things involving a large number of stakeholders have to happen to build a project and he did it multiple times.

    In his first full attempt at public office (continued to the actual election), he ran for the highest office in the world and won. The man beat first the GOP, of which he was only peripherally a member that was united against him, and then beat the MSM and the career politician who was supposed to be the pre-determined next POTUS.

    People think him to be a clown because he doesn't talk like a lawyer and then underestimate him. Sun Tzu said "If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles." Only one side in this battle knew the truth about the enemy.

    Most people forget that what a person wants is very different from what they buy. A person buying a drill didn't want a drill, they need to make a hole. Even the hole was only necessary because the person actually just needed to mount a shelf. The Democrats kept saying "Look at our great drill and all the features it has. You have to get it because it is the best drill." Trump said "I'll hang your shelf."

  13. SJW by huckamania · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'll give it a shot.

    An SJW is someone who thinks that people who do not support their pet issue should be publicly shamed and extra-judiciously punished for not supporting their pet issue. Typically they identify themselves as victims of straight white males. When not online, they enjoy spending time in mobs while repeating slogans and protesting the world.

    Not really that hard.

    1. Re:SJW by Stolovaya · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A good start.

      It's the difference between progressive and regressive (SJW).

      A progressive wants to improve life for all. A regressive wants to mainly focus on those ranked higher on the "progressive stack".

      A progressive tries their best to be "color blind" (as in, all people should be treated the same, everyone should have the same opportunities). A regressive believes that things like skin color and sexuality are more important than values or content of character.

      A regressive will place those higher on the progressive stack on pedestals; you cannot joke or criticize these people, but you can joke, criticize, or wish death upon those lower on the progressive stack.

      A regressive thinks in black-and-white terms with little nuance. You are either 100% with their cause, or you are 100% against. There is typically very little middle ground in their mind.

      A progressive uses "privilege" to make people think about their position (i.e. "You (male/female) never have to think about which bathroom you have to go into. Other people would like to feel that way too."). A regressive uses "privilege" to shame and guilt, much like bad religious institutions (i.e. "Check your privilege!").

      A regressive is fine with segregated spaces, but only for those higher on the progressive stack (such as black-only college dorms); anyone lower must 100% not have any space only for their .

      A progressive might respect culture but understands it can be fluid and not everyone celebrates all aspects of cultures the same (especially in melting pots such as the US). A regressive believes cultural appropriation is everywhere and that there is an inherent "cultural copyright" that only members of said culture can participate or allow others to participate in (while being uneducated about the origins of certain things, such as dreadlocks, or believing that only Mexicans can wear sombreros).

      A progressive believes that even though people have done bad things in the past (or even present), blame is not to be put upon those that are part of those groups that did not take action in those things. A regressive believes in original sin (particularly for those lower on the progressive stack) and that blame and responsibility should be shared across generations and groups.

      A progressive believes that, even if what one says is terrible and disgusting, people have the right to express their views. A regressive believes that anything they deem bad should be suppressed at all costs; violence and censorship are perfectly fine to use ("no bad tactics, only bad targets").

      I think you get the idea...

  14. Re:2020 Circus by reboot246 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Silicon Valley was out of touch way before Trump was elected. They've been out of touch since pretty much the beginning.