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North Korean Leader Says He Will Suspend Arms Tests, Shut Nuclear Test Site (cnn.com)

North Korean leader Kim Jong Un announced early Saturday morning that the regime no longer needs nuclear tests or intercontinental ballistic missile tests. Kim said Saturday that "under the proven condition of complete nuclear weapons, we no longer need any nuclear tests, mid-range and intercontinental ballistic rocket tests, and that the nuclear test site in northern area has also completed its mission," state-run KCNA reported Saturday. CNN reports: A North Korea source told CNN that Kim has finally decided to open up a new chapter for his nation. Kim has committed himself to the path of denuclearization and will now focus solely on economic growth and improving the national economy, the source said. The North Korean leader has realized the best path forward is to normalize relations with other countries, the source added. He is finally being recognized by the international community, and this is a historic, timely opportunity, the source said. The decision to halt nuclear and missile testing comes just one week before the leaders of South and North Korea are due to meet at the demilitarized zone between the two countries. U.S. President Donald Trump welcomed the news, tweeting: "North Korea has agreed to suspend all Nuclear Tests and close up a major test site. This is very good news for North Korea and the World - big progress! Look forward to our Summit."

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  1. Crazy by sexconker · · Score: 2

    Even the media can't spin this. I may actually see a unified Korea in my lifetime.
    Or it could all fall apart. But as far as I can tell, this may actually be within grasp.

    1. Re:Crazy by MachineShedFred · · Score: 0

      Yeah, right until he's not happy with the size of the little flags on toothpicks on the table in the meeting room, when he decides to walk the delegation out, set one off in a cave again, and fire another rocket into the Sea of Japan.

      This guy is completely unstable, and the only reason he's even entertaining the idea of negotiations is because even the iron grip his family has had on that country is slipping. As it turns out, nuclear weapons and long range ballistic missiles are amazingly expensive to develop and maintain when you aren't sanctioned out the ass by the rest of the world, I can only wonder what a strain it is when China isn't tolerating your bullshit anymore.

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    2. Re:Crazy by AndyKron · · Score: 1

      It will happen when Palestinian's return to their land, and I don't see that happening any time soon.

    3. Re:Crazy by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      So far it is all just talk, no action. So don't get your hopes up. But Trump deserves credit for agreeing to meet, and getting the dialog going. Donald and Jong Un may hit it off, since they have very similar personalities. If the meeting in Pyongyang goes well, maybe Mr Kim can come to the White House for a BBQ later this year.

    4. Re:Crazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I worry that this is all a deliberate ploy.

      The entire North Korean strategy for ages has been based on the understanding that they could never defeat one of the great powers in a head to head war, but that they could make any attack on them very damaging to those around them.

      It started with massive amounts of artillery, then missiles, now nukes.

      Ever since the talk of Trump & Kim meeting, my fear has been Kim would bring him close and say "For you see, my grandfathers strategy has worked. Here the leader of one of the great powers has come to negotiate with us... only to discover that they will never unseat us, because now they know that we are strong and can never be stopped."

      *fingers crossed* it's a legitimate olive branch.

    5. Re: Crazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was about to call you out on the "they can't spin this", so I went to CNN and... they were actually not spinning it.

      Now, I am sure that they WILL, but what spin to use is apparently not obvious to their paymasters at this time.

    6. Re: Crazy by sexconker · · Score: 1

      A North Korea source told CNN that Kim has finally decided to open up a new chapter for his nation. Kim has committed himself to the path of denuclearization and will now focus solely on economic growth and improving the national economy, the source said. The North Korean leader has realized the best path forward is to normalize relations with other countries, the source added. He is finally being recognized by the international community, and this is a historic, timely opportunity, the source said. The decision to halt nuclear and missile testing comes just one week before the leaders of South and North Korea are due to meet at the demilitarized zone between the two countries.

      See you in a week or so.

    7. Re:Crazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Palestinians don't exist.

    8. Re:Crazy by sexconker · · Score: 2

      Word on the street is they've already met and hammered out a deal, and a peace treaty (not just a cease fire) is about to be signed.
      He's even been trotting his wife out in public, and they've been acting like typical dignitaries.

      Whether or not it's genuine remains to be seen, but we've never seen such behavior out that regime. If a peace treaty is signed, then there's still a long road to unification, but it would be the eventual goal.

    9. Re: Crazy by sexconker · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When news first hit, the media was broadsided and reports/anchors, even from CNN, were positive and even commending Trump.

      The next morning (after their 4 AM talking points) the reports were more along the lines of "Oh, we've heard this from North Korea before. It won't really happen.".

      As it continued to look more and more like it could happen, there were a few reports of chicken little bullshit about Trump playing into NK's hands, Trump falling for a NK plot that will just trigger WWIII, etc. But they didn't stick.

      The general consensus among the mainstream media now, leading up to the official meeting, seems to be "Huh. Okay, this might happen. Maybe Trump being an asshole and Kim Jong Un being an asshole worked out in a Bizarro sort of way.".

    10. Re:Crazy by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'd say his recent, first-ever trip to Beijing had a lot to do with it. Papa Xi undoubtedly set his fine young self straight on a few matters, likely starting with, "If you fire the first missile, the Americans will turn you into a parking lot, and as long as the bombs all fall on your side of the Yalu, we'll sit right here and watch them do it."

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    11. Re: Crazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Da Ivan, you are the expert on talking points since you process and deploy yours daily/hourly.

    12. Re:Crazy by kenai_alpenglow · · Score: 1

      And when the Germans/French/English/etc return the land back to the Roman Empire.. (and thence to the Etruscans/sammites/etc)

    13. Re:Crazy by unixisc · · Score: 3, Informative

      Before the creation of Israel, the term 'Palestinian' was used to refer to local Jews, while the Arabs were simply called Arabs. The term 'Palestinian' didn't exist before 1967, when Arafat decided to rebrand his people that to change world opinion. Until then, everybody saw it as a few million Jews in Israel vs all the Arabs in countries from Morocco to Iraq, and Syria to Sudan. By rebranding them as 'Palestinian', he changed the perception of Israel from a David to a Goliath.

      Also historically, under various Muslim rulers, there was never any entity named 'Palestine': throughout history, it was a part of either Egypt or Syria, depending on who was the ruler. If they want to revert to history, maybe a good idea would be to hand over control of them to either President Sisi or President Assad.

    14. Re:Crazy by unixisc · · Score: 2

      So far it is all just talk, no action. So don't get your hopes up. But Trump deserves credit for agreeing to meet, and getting the dialog going. Donald and Jong Un may hit it off, since they have very similar personalities. If the meeting in Pyongyang goes well, maybe Mr Kim can come to the White House for a BBQ later this year.

      So Trump likes testing rockets and ballistic missiles every few weeks? Funny, I thought he was against almost all foreign military intervention, and has only reluctantly agreed to things like extending the presence in places like Afghanistan. Doesn't want anybody else's territory either, unlike Rocketman, who'd happily send his tanks into Seoul and Busan if he could

    15. Re: Crazy by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 0

      Commending Trump for the downfall of NK would be like commending Bush Sr. for the downfall of the GDR.

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    16. Re:Crazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kim Jong Un idea of a unified Korea is different than what you might expect. Peace on the other hand might be possible.

    17. Re:Crazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only if they then return that land back to the Jews who lived there before that.

    18. Re:Crazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even the media can't spin this. I may actually see a unified Korea in my lifetime.
      Or it could all fall apart. But as far as I can tell, this may actually be within grasp.

      A unified Korea is about as likely as a unified USA/Mexico

    19. Re: Crazy by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      Yeah, what I read was "we don't need to test anymore because our testing has proven that what we have works." In other words, we now have a nuclear-armed North Korea with mid-range missiles and ICBMs -- and our President thinks that's good news because it means the testing has stopped.

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    20. Re:Crazy by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      The Palestinian's what? I think you a word.

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    21. Re:Crazy by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1, Informative

      Before the creation of Israel, the term 'Palestinian' was used to refer to local Jews, while the Arabs were simply called Arabs. The term 'Palestinian' didn't exist before 1967, when Arafat decided to rebrand his people that to change world opinion.

      You don't help your case when your first two sentences, as written, flatly contradict one another.

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    22. Re:Crazy by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Poland, Norway, Finland (don't forget Karelia), and the Baltics must all be returned to Sweden forthwith!

      I don't think we care so much about Denmark, though.

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    23. Re:Crazy by thePig · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have no dog in this fight between American or Chinese politicians. From my neutral perspective, what I felt was that this was Kim's plan all along.
      NK had a very high percentage of their GDP being spent in military, and it is a difficult thing to sustain.
      The people were also suffering, and as a new dictator (not accustomed to the suffering of the people as one who has ruled for decades), it wasnt a nice thing to have.
      The solution to avoid (a) Iraq/Libya like situation - where the ruler is deposed and killed and (2) to improve the lives of people, was nuclear armaments and missiles.
      Once they have reached a deterrent level nuclear capability and missile capability - the need for a huge military and its associated spending decreases, and more money can be poured into improving the economy.
      For that, they need to open up the markets also. So, this overture.
      NK is planning to follow Chinas policy - open economy, authoritarian leadership. And the way to achieve it is through nuclear and missile deterrents - which they think they have achieved now.
      I feel the other aspects (Trump/Xi etc) doesnt really have much of an impact in this plan.

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    24. Re: Crazy by The+Evil+Atheist · · Score: 3, Funny

      Oh, suddenly CNN is trustworthy now.

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    25. Re:Crazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the first case it is used to denote those who lived in Palestine (particularly Palestinian Jews), the second is used to denote a Palestinian nation or people. Palestine was a place where both Jews and Arabs lived, both groups could have legitimate title to Palestinian. As could those descended from the Armenians who fled there from Turkey during the Armenian Genocide.

    26. Re: Crazy by goose-incarnated · · Score: 3, Interesting

      When news first hit, the media was broadsided and reports/anchors, even from CNN, were positive and even commending Trump.

      The next morning (after their 4 AM talking points) the reports were more along the lines of "Oh, we've heard this from North Korea before. It won't really happen.".

      And they're right, in a way. These deals take years to complete. Once Trump is no longer president NK will back out of any "deal" they agreed to. Their only reason for wanting peace is due to Trump's willingness to pull the trigger. If a new president, one with a more Obama-ish attitude, comes in then NK will revert to previous behaviour.

      You read it here first.

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    27. Re: Crazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So the obvious answer is to re-elect Trump in 2020, and then find someone just like him for 2024.

    28. Re: Crazy by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      I have serious doubts that a peace treaty will happen, of course I could be wrong, but in any case Trump did good so far.

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    29. Re:Crazy by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Doesn't seem so. He was already moving in that direction before the supposed meeting with Xi happened. Remember? He met apparently with Xi after this talk by the N.Koreans happened. Now what was very interesting was China hosting Trump in the forbidden city. That doesn't happen, he was the first foreign leader to ever visit it. On top of that there was an armored train from N.Korea to China a day or so before Trump went there. It's more likely that there was some serious stuff between all parties involved there as there was zero media allowed in. This makes me believe that the 'first ever trip' was more likely a 'second visit trip' to shake it all out with the Chinese.

      Look at this statement:

      Ripley quoted a North Korean official who had optimistic words about the move: "Finally Kim Jong Un has decided to open up," the source said. "This is a new chapter for the DPRK. He has committed himself to the path of denuclearization and will now focus solely on economic growth and the national economy. Finally he has realized the best path forward is to open up the country and normalize relations."

      That statement is fundamentally at odds with even Chinese policy regarding N.Korea as they want it as a buffer against S.Korea.

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    30. Re:Crazy by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      So they already know how to make nukes and cruise missiles are more effective than ballistic missiles. Sure they shot down the majority with 3rd anti-air systems in Syria but you just set the Nuke to detonate should it get a sufficient shock, once it is far enough from the launch site.

      Submarines are bound to go through a redesign. Stuff carried over from last century, like reloading torpedo tubes makes no sense. Far smarter to be a more compact submarine with more torpedo/cruise missile tubes between the inner and outer hull that are loaded at dock, 10 forward and 10 aft, with a set load. Normally only one weapon fired at target and likely firing all twenty would be pretty rare with the submarine likely to be targeted before that. They become much more compact without a reload.

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    31. Re: Crazy by swillden · · Score: 1

      The general consensus among the mainstream media now, leading up to the official meeting, seems to be "Huh. Okay, this might happen. Maybe Trump being an asshole and Kim Jong Un being an asshole worked out in a Bizarro sort of way."

      Maybe it's just a case of post hoc ergo propter hoc, but I have a different take: I think it was the Olympics. Certainly, timing-wise, the Kim Jong Un's softening coincided with the Olympic games, and I think it makes sense as well. He saw the benefits of being a participant in the international scene, both economic and in terms of status. He's also made some moves to consolidate power internally and may feel like he's got a strong enough hold that he can steer the country in a different direction without losing control. Certainly as long as he can keep the elites from removing him, it will be utterly trivial for him to become a true hero to the masses -- all he has to do is change his approach enough to get most of the sanctions lifted and his nation will experience an incredible economic boom. This is only because it's so incredibly impoverished, but from the perspective of his people, what they'll see is massive improvement.

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    32. Re:Crazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Sea of Japan" is N. Korean shoreline. All of the tests in "Sea of Japan" were actually closer to NK than they were to any island of Japan.

    33. Re:Crazy by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      until he's not happy with the size of the little flags on toothpicks on the table

      I just has a thought... I can totally see Kim with a huge lifted pickup; the kind with the ridiculously huge tailpipe that [one would assume] is in inverse proportion to portions of said owner's anatomy...

    34. Re: Crazy by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

      Oh, suddenly CNN is trustworthy now.

      The trouble with journalism today is that journalists either take one side or the other.
      There is no reporting to get a "both-sides" viewpoint. To really have CNN or FOX or MSNBC do interviews of the important representatives from both sides.

      Where is CNN interviewing Trump enthusiasts and Fox interviewing non-Trump enthusiasts?

      American Journalism is just mud-slinging

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    35. Re: Crazy by Howitzer86 · · Score: 1

      The current system is probably not going to do that. After two terms domestic issues tend to pile up and convince voters to try something new. If Trump can manage to keep people happy for 8 years that's fine, but don't count on it.

    36. Re: Crazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL! You do realize the Palestinian people have been around for thousands of years right? And they were even called Palestinians....in Palestine

    37. Re:Crazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How are cruise missiles more effective?
      Why we all got ballistic missiles in the first place is they're unstoppable.

      If a cruise missile with a nuclear bomb gets intercepted the shock will break the bomb and make it fail. You're proposing to make a very dangerous sensitive ultra-low latency mechanism to make the bomb blow up in your face if you look at it funny.
      If it works as intended it still may nuke your own country, or nuke someplace you didn't intend.

    38. Re:Crazy by GrahamJ · · Score: 1

      Came here to say same. There’s no way he just decided to be nice.

    39. Re: Crazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      .....Fox interviewing non-Trump enthusiasts?....

      You have just proven that you donâ(TM)t watch Fox.

    40. Re:Crazy by Askmum · · Score: 1

      I'm betting they have run out of uranium.

    41. Re:Crazy by MachineShedFred · · Score: 2

      Speed of a Tomahawk cruise missile carrying a W80 warhead: 550 mph (subsonic)
      Speed of a Minuteman III reentry vehicle carrying a W78 in terminal phase: 17,000 mph

      Range of a Tomahawk cruise missile: 810 miles for the block-III
      Range of a Minuteman III ICBM: 8100 miles

      Number of warheads on a Tomahawk cruise missile: 1
      Number of warheads on a Minuteman III ICBM: up to 3 (could have decoy package in place of a warhead)

      And this is comparing an ICBM from the early 70s. The numbers are even more compelling for a Trident SLBM.
      (Speed: 18,000 mph in terminal phase, Range: 7500 miles, Number of Warheads: 8 - 12). There's a reason the Pentagon would like to have a "conventional Trident" at their disposal - far more capability than cruise missiles, with the stealth of a submarine and striking within minutes at multiple targets with a weapon that there is no defense against. Only downside: there's no way to know what that particular Trident has on the pointy bit, so Russia might be a little on-edge to see these things rising out of the ocean.

      How is a cruise missile more effective than a ballistic missile again? They're cheaper, I guess?

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    42. Re:Crazy by Uberbah · · Score: 0

      the second is used to denote a Palestinian nation

      Then use the word Palestine, which would refer to a place, not Palestinian, which refers to people.

      Palestine was a place where both Jews and Arabs lived, both groups could have legitimate title to Palestinian

      In the same way that European immigrants had an "equal" right to North America and South America, you nazi cow. Jews were less than 5% of the population of Palestine before 1900, which means nearly 100% of Israeli jews today are settlers or the children of settlers. All of whom are living on stolen land.

  2. Great news! by Aighearach · · Score: 4, Informative

    After seeing the picture of Kim Jong-Un blushing while posing with Red Velvet I figured, OK, this might be for real, he might really be ready to focus on trade.

    Plus, China told him he had to do it; he went to China and they went on the news together, and North Korea had agreed to give up their nuclear program, and China had agreed to remain their ally. Sounds like a good deal to me, right?! Good deal for everybody, actually.

    So how do you soften the hearts of the Generals? With kpop. Duh.

    Works for me! I'm more of an AoA fan, but I can totally see Red Velvet being better for this mission.

    1. Re:Great news! by tomhath · · Score: 2

      Let's hope it turns out better than the fabulous agreement Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter worked out. Actually, that one was fabulous for North Korea, they got a few hundred million dollars and didn't give up anything in return.

    2. Re:Great news! by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 3, Informative

      While you read /. from the comfort of your office chair, things might have happened over there. Pressure from China (a meeting at the highest level took place weeks ago + maybe new economic measures), and probably from the US (there are ways to show the guy, KJU, he's not as strong as he thinks he is, a drone throwing an harmless object on his head would induce some stress...). Besides, let's not forget KJU studied in Switzerland and is impregnated with Western culture, he is not as crazy as many think. The whole nuclear mess, killings and other insults might just have been preliminaries for installing a stable situation in NK.

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    3. Re:Great news! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      God damn you are a fucking idiot - freezing accounts and then unfreezing them isn't giving away money, it is allowing them access to their own money.

    4. Re:Great news! by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      This was always Kim's plan. This is what he wants. No pressure required.

      He built up the nuclear and missile programmes to give himself a powerful bargaining chip. He traded insults with Trump to show that he could win the game of brinkmanship, and to build up political capital for when we wanted to talk peace.

      Kim, while ruthless, brutal and guilty of crimes against humanity, has played a blinder here. What remains to be seen is if he wants to reform and open up North Korea, or something else.

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    5. Re: Great news! by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Now that Choa is gone, AoA just doesn't have it any more.

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    6. Re: Great news! by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      I always said I wanted to hear Hyejeong and Yuna sing more. They seem more focused on acting, though.

  3. That's not all... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    He's also declared that he will stop "first posting"!

    1. Re:That's not all... by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Missed by two full minutes Kim.

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  4. Convenient? by jddj · · Score: 2

    Wasn't there broad speculation from intelligence recently that their test facility had caved in, killing many?

    1. Re:Convenient? by Aighearach · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Not the test facility, just one of the main tunnels under the mountain.

      Reports since then reported work at other nearby sites, presumably working on new tunnels.

      The Chinese have warned them in the past that they were over-using the tunnels and risking a collapse, they just didn't want to do the work of prepping a new tunnel until it actually happened. Workers died, but try to understand; workers at this site are constantly dying, and they bring new ones in. They don't have radiation safety programs. Their system is simpler; important enough people don't have to do that job.

    2. Re:Convenient? by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

      They've had many cave ins, no doubt. But I'm sure they also have more mountains. Some say the one they're using is pretty much swiss cheese at this point, but always skeptical of convenient 'look how our enemy blew off his pecker' narratives..

      What is the range on their estimated nuclear arsenal at this point? IIRC it's in the hundreds of warheads. But all such estimates should be met with suspicion. Who's pulling this number from what orifice exactly?

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    3. Re:Convenient? by MachineShedFred · · Score: 3, Insightful

      When you don't give a shit about workers' lives, money spent on safety is just inefficiency.

      Besides, if a tunnel collapses and kills a bunch of people, that's less people you have to figure out how to feed when your entire country is under famine and you are a 3rd generation petulant asshole who thinks that constant threats to neighbors, ballistic missiles, and crude nuclear arms are more important than food for the citizenry. But don't worry - it's one set of rules for the peasants, and another for you and your cronies. He's still nice and pudgy.

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    4. Re: Convenient? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      So basically, the dwarves delved too greedily and too deep?

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    5. Re:Convenient? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was no tunnel collapse, it was just a South Korea newspaper reporting it (200 dead..) out of nowhere to make them look bad. The story said there was a rescue team that was buried as well as the ones they were rescueing.

      No, it isn't in their interest to have a hundred or so citizens killed every so often in catastrophes. It's at least not in the interest of the local party or military official that will earn a one-way ticket and be "gone living in the mountains".
      What they certainly may, and likely do employ is concentration camps inmates transported on a site and digging tunnels with pickaxes etc. until death or exhaustion, or "disposal" if you're one of the guys who are still somehow alive after the secret military tunnel is finished. This is, um, so that the secret tunnel stays secret.

      This is horrible, but for the people under the equivalent of death row or life without parole.

    6. Re:Convenient? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not hundreds, there's not enough material. They're doing it out of a single very small nuclear reactor only used to produce plutonium (same as Israel did).
      The estimate I saw is 15-60.
      You'd go for the lower end of the estimate, but they might have really gone for small, efficient nukes i.e. "leapfrog" into actually useful nukes instead of making huge, Trinity/Nagasaki first-gen bombs that are a waste of plutonium and can't be delivered (except maybe with a vintage bomber that will get shot down before crossing the DMZ)
      By the way here is North Korea's bomber! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilyushin_Il-28

      Making actually useful bombs explains the fizzle of the 2006 test and the lowish yields until the September 2016 test.
      Maybe they have 20 usable bombs and could hit a handful targets (launch four missiles at a target for redundancy of failing missiles or bombs). Launch four Hwasong-12 at Guam and hope it works, launch Hwasong-7 (i.e. Nodong, proven but inaccurate) and Pukkuksong-2 at US bases in Okinawa. The latter can do with more testing though.
      If they have twice as many operational bombs? Now you can try to hit proper US targets. Now there's the fun, Washington DC, two military targets in mainland US and one military target in Hawaii. But they need more tests and have no hope to win against the US still.

    7. Re:Convenient? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...if a tunnel collapses and kills a bunch of people, that's less people you have to figure out how to feed...

      When the tunnel collapse just killed all of your nuclear scientists, you play it off as "Mission Accomplished". This is simply face saving behavior on the part of North Korea.

  5. So different from Iran by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a deal negotiated by a Republicrat president and nothing like a deal which some idiot Democan would negotiate. People saying that Trump doesn't know what he's doing just have to admit who has better hair.

    1. Re:So different from Iran by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      It seems to be playing out so that if there is a deal, all the important parts will be negotiated by the Korean leaders first, and if that deal adds up to a deal that the US can support, then whoever is the US President on some day shortly after that will sign some papers that also say the same things. And they will get some attention for it.

      The difference with Iran is that Iran and Israel are about to go to open warfare, and then that deal won't even matter.

      If different American groups support a deal in Korea in the future will depend on North Korea's behavior; if they observe international norms, most Americans will support it.

      Iran is very different; many Americans would never support any sort of deal with Iran as long as Revolutionary forces remain in power there, because they're still mad about all the mean stuff that Iran did. And they know that Iranians are still mad at us about the mean stuff we did. So they're very distrustful of any ideas for maintaining peace. Korea doesn't have that sort of interest level without the nukes. Probably because Korea is divided and the good half is our friend. People worried about North Korea, other than with nukes, are worried about Communism more generally, and North Korea is small and distant. People who care about that are more worried about closer threats, like Cuba, and bigger threats, like China.

    2. Re:So different from Iran by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Iran is very different; many Americans would never support any sort of deal with Iran as long as Revolutionary forces remain in power there, because they're still mad about all the mean stuff that Iran did. And they know that Iranians are still mad at us about the mean stuff we did.

      Ok, everyone knows the mean stuff USA/UK did, kicking out the democratically elected president and installing a religious dictator, but what was the mean stuff Iran did? Was it kicking out the USA's installed dictator?

  6. Gonna be so much butthurt. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    When the history books record peace in korea because of trump.

    1. Re:Gonna be so much butthurt. by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      Wait for the peace Nobel price, shared by the two.

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    2. Re:Gonna be so much butthurt. by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 0

      *z

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    3. Re:Gonna be so much butthurt. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By bringing North Korea to the table, even if this disarmament doesn't work out, Trump has actually done more to earn a Nobel Peace Prize than Obama did to earn his. Admittedly, that's a low bar.

  7. Uh huh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Like the time they blew up their nuclear research site? Empty gestures from a deceptive regime.

  8. This is really good news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ...is what I'd like to say, but my spidey-sense is tingling on overdrive.

    1. Re: This is really good news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shut the fuck up you snowflake liberal

  9. I fear that they are working on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    something much worse: the Intercontinental Creimer Bowel Moverment.

  10. More likely by bobstreo · · Score: 1

    This is what happens when Syria and Iran buy all the "surplus" uranium and plutonium and you've run out because of all the tests you've done.

    Now time to milk your "generosity" and "peaceful intentions" so you can feed your country.

    1. Re:More likely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anon because duh.

      Surplus Uranium and Plutonium...stories you never hear about unless you live in Russia...where it's old news and just normal corruption.

      After Start 2, buth the USA and the Soviet Union downsized their arsenals. By the time they had actually junked the missiles and warheads and downmixed it from weapons grade to fuel the Soviet Union was no more. The Russians sold their former warheads to an American company, signed contract, everybody happy etc. The company got the fuel out of Russia, did the corporate shuffle, then declared bankruptcy, leaving the Russians as unsecured creditors. Welcome back to capitalism.

      Only reason I heard the real story is I worked with a lady who's company credit card got caught in the burn with a high balance. She rarely drank, but not never.

      Guy that ran the burn is now a BILLIONAIRE, low profile, you've never heard of him. Owns a major sports team. Can't set foot in Russia.

      He's my role model. I want to be like him.

  11. You can all thank Trump by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Trump was the only world leader who could speak Kim's language, and that was what finally convinced them to drop a path they had been on through MANY other U.S. presidents.

    This alone makes Trump the greatest president in modern times, greatly eclipsing anything Obama ever did (or even imagined he did).

    Now after we clean up Obama's gift of nuclear weapons to Iran, the world may actually be safer for once...

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    1. Re:You can all thank Trump by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 0

      North Korea was never a threat to us. Iran could actually be useful to us, keeping the Saudis in check.

      Doing South Korea's or Saudi Arabia's dirty work doesn't make a president great. What's needed now is better DOMESTIC policy. Stop spending so much on military adventures. Spend on education, infrastructure (no, not public-private partnerships), healthcare. Amnesty all non-violent drug offenders. Legalize marijuana (happy 4/20!), decriminalize the use (sale should be case-by-case, I don't support legalizing meth sales) of all other drugs.

    2. Re:You can all thank Trump by psycho12345 · · Score: 1, Informative

      Actually, I'll thank Xi, since he alone is the one who controls North Korea's entire existance. Funny how all of this happens AFTER Kim visits China. Also interesting after China consolidates into a dictatorship.

      And for the record, no, this will not make Trump the greatest. There was another president who pulled off an amazing foreign policy coup, one people thought was equally impossible at the time, his name was Nixon. We all know how that ended. If anything, I would credit Nixon for today, he set China on the path to where they are now, and in the position and mindset to kick North Korea to the curb.

    3. Re:You can all thank Trump by iMadeGhostzilla · · Score: 2

      Exactly. This was all a mind thing, there was no real need for NK to develop functional nuclear weapons because no one wanted anything they have and they didn't want anything from anyone else either other than to be left alone. There was no material basis for a conflict, it's only a matter of view, and Trump is quite good at changing people's minds. Well some people's anyway.

    4. Re:You can all thank Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      These isolated indoctrinated Trumpets will never admit that China, the true Global Power now, is the one who achieved success here, not their tiny hands putin-idolizing cheeto fuhrer.

    5. Re:You can all thank Trump by Lisandro · · Score: 0

      Oh my god, you cannot be this naive.

    6. Re:You can all thank Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you read his post history??

    7. Re: You can all thank Trump by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 0

      Of course he can, he's American. And given the news you're fed...

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    8. Re:You can all thank Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't be fooled. This is a step toward a unified Korea and possibly a Korea much more friendly with China down the road. That could be an economically devastating event in the long term. We haven't pushed for Korean unification because it's a stupid thing to push for. The split protects a foothold in a critical region.

    9. Re:You can all thank Trump by meglon · · Score: 0

      Doe your lips hurt from kissing Trumps ass so much? I mean, seriously, if you actually believe the shit you right, you need to seek psychological help. NK has "stopped" it's nuclear program before... and then restarted. Fucking idiots like you didn't want to talk about it because Baby Bush was president at the time he restarted and idn't do a damn thing about it. The problem in this country is stupid fucks like you who can't be bothered to live in reality.

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    10. Re: You can all thank Trump by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 0

      Please don't paint us all with the same brush. A majority of us voted sanely, the Electoral College notwithstanding.

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    11. Re:You can all thank Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, I'll thank Xi, since he alone is the one who controls North Korea's entire existance. Funny how all of this happens AFTER Kim visits China.

      Funny how the planning of the Trump-Kim meeting was announced within 24 hours of Trump announcing tariffs on aluminium and steel.

      Of course, NK seeking peace is all of Xi's doing on his own. That's why Kim visited China nearly twenty days after negotiating with the White House.

      Also interesting after China consolidates into a dictatorship.

      No, no, no. Trump is literally Hitler, remember. How does Xi not having term limits affect NK? China in real terms is the same China of January. The only difference is Trump. Trump solves problems instead of going on apology tours.

      Try the red pills. They are better than soy lattes.

    12. Re: You can all thank Trump by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Uh, how recent exactly do you consider modern?

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    13. Re: You can all thank Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obviously he's got the attention span of well, Donald Trump, so he's forgotten how Nixon went to China, Carter got a peace accord in the Middle-East, Reagan blew up the debt, Bush I conquered Iraq, Clinton fixed welfare and the debt, Bush II conquered Iraq, and Obama fixed health insurance and didn't start a war.

    14. Re:You can all thank Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, I'll thank Xi, since he alone is the one who controls North Korea's entire existance. Funny how all of this happens AFTER Kim visits China. Also interesting after China consolidates into a dictatorship.

      And for the record, no, this will not make Trump the greatest. There was another president who pulled off an amazing foreign policy coup, one people thought was equally impossible at the time, his name was Nixon. We all know how that ended. If anything, I would credit Nixon for today, he set China on the path to where they are now, and in the position and mindset to kick North Korea to the curb.

      Yep, China has finally started bringing their crazy North Korean lap dog to heel. Funny how all that happens AFTER Trump threatens a huge trade war with China.

    15. Re: You can all thank Trump by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      It's not specifically about Americans, it's about how news get distorted. I mean, even local news can often turn out to be bullshit when you confront the witnesses with the actual news on the event. Now imagine the reporting on NK in the US... Contexts missing, cultural understanding totally gone, etc. etc. Even best-effort reporting is going to be twisted unless it's, I don't know, a one-hour documentary by someone living there for half a year (and we know how that's difficult in case of the country in question). But this isn't that. As per Sturgeon's law, *this* news item is going to be highly problematic with a >0.9 likelihood.

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    16. Re: You can all thank Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You voted sanely, and don't understand your own electoral system. That's a special kind of stupid right there.

    17. Re:You can all thank Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trump was the only world leader who could speak Kim's language, and that was what finally convinced them to drop a path they had been on through MANY other U.S. presidents.

      The path where they pretend to care about making peace, then come up with some posturing? That was on the West Wing 15 years ago. They should have let the pianist defect.

      You may be ignorant, but anybody who can crack open a textbook could read about the six times the six-parties met during the Bush administration.

      That said, Trump does know a lot about blowing smoke. Sadly, it doesn't work so well in the Oval Office.

      This alone makes Trump the greatest president in modern times, greatly eclipsing anything Obama ever did (or even imagined he did).

      Interesting how you're claiming success before anything substantial happens. Of course, apparently a blowhard buffoon's believing a two-bit petty dictatorship being inclined to make empty noises is more important to you than either Bush's accomplishments, Reagan's winning the Cold War, or even Nixon going to China, let alone recovering from a major economic disaster caused by Conservative deregulation as Obama did, or managing to try to begin balancing the budget, not that the latter lasted, thanks to GOP spending policies, but Clinton tried. They even got Welfare and Healthcare reform.

      But it's odd how you think North Korea is important when it's really not a significant factor at all. Trump would have been better off just completely ignoring them.

      Now after we clean up Obama's gift of nuclear weapons to Iran, the world may actually be safer for once...

      Sure man, go ahead, invade Iran like you really want to do, give us the fruits of Trump's warmongering by occupying a country of 81 million, meanwhile, that could have all been avoided by simply not letting the CIA and MI6 stage a coup in the fifties.

      Maybe you can volunteer to be first over the wall. No wait, your fallen arches and ankle spurs are too much of a bother? Oh don't worry, we'll airdrop you into Tehran.

      Don't forget to include Cuba in your rantings. That Axis of Evil needs at least three poles.

    18. Re: You can all thank Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not fixed, Now pay more for less, lost doctor, had to switch plans. Obama, with other countries, destroyed Libya and then millions fled into Europe. Now Libya has slave markets. Obama ran from Iraq which was taken over by a barbaric group that killed, tortured, raped and enslaved tens of thousands.

    19. Re:You can all thank Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, let's maybe wait a little bit to see what actually happens before declaring Trump the "greatest president in modern times" for agreeing to a direct meeting with the North Korean dictator. This has all the potential to run aground in disaster, and very little potential to actually produce any sort of positive outcome.

  12. Bullshit by AndyKron · · Score: 2

    Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me. I call bullshit on Fat Kimmy.

    1. Re:Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then he's on equal footing with Trump.

    2. Re:Bullshit by GrahamJ · · Score: 1

      Fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.

  13. Round and round we go... by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's a vicious cycle. (1) Blow off a nuke or two, make threats, bluster (2) Get the South and US to negotiate (3) Get food/technical assistance (4) When assistance runs out, go back to (1) We're talking about North Korea -- they have more years' experience with blackmail than the age of the average US official.

    1. Re:Round and round we go... by rune2 · · Score: 1

      Indeed.... The North Koreans aren't dumb.... Their standard operating tactic has been saber-rattling with the nuclear rhetoric every few years to extort money and aid out of the West. When they run out of money they do it all over again. The problem is that this time they ran into Trump who is probably crazier than they are.... or at least crazy enough that when he starts returning the nuclear threats and proclaiming how his nuclear button is bigger than theirs they start to get a little worried. So they definitely overplayed their hand this time. I bet that they definitely had an "oh shit" moment when Trump started returning the threats.... But of course they couldn't let on that they were concerned so as to save face. They needed an olive branch to allow them to back down gracefully without looking like they were backing down.

  14. It's a trap! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First the Koreas unify, then China invades. You read it here first.

    1. Re:It's a trap! by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Why on earth would China do that? Let's have a reason not based in something you just made up.

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    2. Re:It's a trap! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Springboard for future invasion of Far East Russia (Vladivostok, etc.). Kind of important to have naval bases nearby to deploy and then support ground troops with supply shipments, gunfire, and missile barrages - especially on scales beyond what air power can transport. The Russkies did really steal that land from China to begin with, so it will be an easy sell to support reclaiming the motherland and defeat the western invaders.

    3. Re:It's a trap! by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      You're projecting. This is not a round of The East Is Red, and the last thing Beijing is interested in is a war with one of its large neighbours.

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  15. History repeating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only Trump could go to North Korea.

  16. Where's Sony when you need them?! by EETech1 · · Score: 1

    We should just start making movies for Kim to show at home, with nukes, and Armageddon, Trump begging for mercy, the whole speil.

    Sony could produce a while series of Kim takes over the world movies so he can keep brainwashing his people into believing he is the most powerful and fearless leader in history.

    He can blow smoke out his ass all over NK, and tell them everyone started sending food so he doesn't get a hankering to kick the collective ass of the world again!

    It wouldn't be the worst lie in the history of government propaganda. er... I mean FAKE NEWS!!!

  17. And on my 61st birthday by Snotnose · · Score: 1

    The Norks will spend the money we give them and test fire another ICBM.

    Cuz it's what they've been doing for the past 30 years, I wish to god there was an ETF that let me bet on the Norks lying in a treaty.

    1. Re:And on my 61st birthday by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Many don't know that N.K. has received billions of dollars in the past to shut them the fuck up. This time the pres stood up to the bullying and didn't pay off on the threats.

    2. Re:And on my 61st birthday by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      fuck off retard

  18. Round here we call quiters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    PUSSIES!

  19. I think it's different this time. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Past Presidents didn't put a couple of carrier groups off the coast and threaten that if they launch another, he WILL bomb. And I think the missile attack of Syria wasn't just about gas attacks on civilians - it was a warning that Trump isn't afraid to pull the trigger.

    Is it right? I don't know enough to judge - but it IS a different tactic.

    And maybe it is the right one - the game has changed and Jong Un and his people don't know what to do. And I'm sure China has been telling Un to chill the fuck out.

    1. Re:I think it's different this time. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Retard, this is all the work and success of China, and has nothing to do you your cheeto fuhrer.

    2. Re:I think it's different this time. by meglon · · Score: 1

      You're right... some past presidents had nuclear fucking bombs stationed in South Korea. If you don't know history, you shouldn't talk about it.

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  20. It's a Trap by rsilvergun · · Score: 0

    Saddam & Gaddafi both did the same and look where it got them. Kim Jun is smart enough to know that (he survived North Korean court politics, the whole thing is basically a monarchy). He'll keep doing it on the sly. Meanwhile Trump will look for excuses to escalate the conflict since it'll be good for business and good for his presidency.

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    1. Re:It's a Trap by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Saddam and Gaddafi were unfortunate enough to have globalists like Bush or Obama on the other end. Trump, unlike them, is not interested in toppling regimes, so Kim can feel safe there. Only issue would be after Trump, if any future globalist leader decides to support an insurrection, the same way Obama did in Libya. Gadaffi didn't anticipate that his cooperation w/ Bush would cost him when the leadership changed, and paid the price. So Kim would have to work out a deal where any future US administration would be legally prevented from ousting him, no matter what the situation

    2. Re:It's a Trap by meglon · · Score: 0

      Trump, unlike them, is not interested in toppling regimes other than the United States

      There, fixed that for you.

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    3. Re:It's a Trap by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Saddam and Gaddafi were unfortunate enough to have globalists like Bush or Obama on the other end.

      Saddam and Gaddafi were unfortunate enough not to share a land border with China.

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    4. Re:It's a Trap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's been shown time and again that if you have nukes or people think you do then you are untouchable.
      As soon as it's confirmed no nukes, your rat shit country is going to have uncle sam wading in.

      The only exception to this is Ukraine where agressor is Russia. But US, UK and a few others promised Ukraine protect incase of invation for them to hand over their nukes and have clearly not stepped up to the plate.
      Amazing how little that little caveat is under reported.

      Nukes = security. It's why Isreal still exist.

  21. It's different this time by rsilvergun · · Score: 0

    Trump has acknowledged Kim's government. The reason Trump meeting with Kim was such a big deal is that we just acknowledged yet another military dictatorship as "legitimate". To be fair we did the same thing with China, but there was a _little_ gray area there (very little). OTOH the US supports 70% of the world's dictatorships so I don't much see the point of singling NK out just because they happen to use Karl Marx's books as rhetoric instead of somebody else's.

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    1. Re: It's different this time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you even know the history of the Korean war?

      After WW2 and the Japanese surrender of the Korean peninsula the US backed the fraudulent election for a dictator and the populists/Marxists became the rebels and overthrew the dictator. The the US decided to intervene and drove the rebels back until China decided to intervene and support the rebels and there was a fight to a stalemate. The south Korean dictatorship ruled for about 30 years until they switched into a chaebul (rich family owned conglomerates behind the dictatorship) backed a change to the republic-like government they have today to attempt to rebuild the South Korean economy so countries would care if NK threatened to invade (yes the Korean war never officially ended).

    2. Re: It's different this time by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Do you even know the history of the Korean war?

      Do you?

      (Mine was a rhetorical question, obviously.)

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  22. Re:ShanghaiBill = fake name massive human fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    APK--a synonym for "fail" on the Internet since 1998.

  23. Re:ShanghaiBill = fake name massive human fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Nah, a symbol of a fat gay virgin easily triggered. Sad.

  24. Cue Up Nobel Prize For Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And watch the media spin like GE's finest turbines.

    1. Re:Cue Up Nobel Prize For Trump by Mashiki · · Score: 4, Funny

      And watch the media spin like GE's finest turbines.

      They should invite Obama and ask him to bring his peace prize. Rip it out of his hands, give it to Trump and apologize for being partisan hacks.

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    2. Re:Cue Up Nobel Prize For Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And watch the media spin like GE's finest turbines.

      On a Southwest 737....

    3. Re:Cue Up Nobel Prize For Trump by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Sure. I mean if they give it to one guy for doing nothing then they should also give it to another guy who did nothing. Hell where's my peace prize. I didn't cause a war today, why don't I get one!

    4. Re:Cue Up Nobel Prize For Trump by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      What do you mean did nothing? Obama started more wars then Bush, and committed extra-judicial killings as state policy. We're on a role here.

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  25. Late April fool's joke? by manu0601 · · Score: 1

    That story would have been a very good April fool's joke, but it seems to be a bit late. Perhaps traditions in Korea sets joke time on April 20th?

    1. Re: Late April fool's joke? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People get a little crazy these days on 420... Then they get hungry. It's a bit like April fools day with all the giggling.

  26. You mean Xi by Jzanu · · Score: 1, Troll
    1. Re:You mean Xi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That article is chock full of "they were worried about the direction the US is taking", which translates directly to "because of Trump."

      Don't forget the long speech Obama gave basically taking all the credit for killing bin Laden, after he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for becoming president in the first place. It works though. People don't want to think about how things actually come about, they just want a simple causal relationship, preferably one that favors their Team, and that strategy does nothing but win.

    2. Re:You mean Xi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      China could have reigned in their mad dog years ago, Trump is the one who gave them a reason to.

    3. Re:You mean Xi by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually, especially given that it came out of the AEI (to be fair, she's a fairly reputable professor at Georgetown), it was pretty light on that, I thought.

      It seemed to me to be more about Xi clarifying a few things for Kim. Rephrased in the vernacular, I'm guessing it sounded a lot like, "If you want us to back you up, you're gonna lighten the fuck up, get off your high horse, show us some respect, and play by the rules, which we are listing here for your convenience...". The author posits [emphasis added],

      Kim realized that US military options are more likely now than in the past, and that the Chinese were preparing for contingencies that did not involve supporting the North Korean regime.

      If the US were to attack North Korea, China would intervene — not in support of North Korea, but rather in support of its own interests and would possibly even collaborate with the Americans.

      Makes sense, and the collaboration bit might not be as far-fetched as it sounds. Left unsaid here--but possibly not in Beijing the other week--is that the Chinese do not actually have to wait for the Americans--they can act pre-emptively if they so choose. But that's potentially very disorderly, and China is nearly certain to prefer options that offer continued stability in the region over those that don't.

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    4. Re:You mean Xi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Zontar the soyboy "sweetie" from sweden you not men no balls eunuchs let muslims rape your girls and you just sit there! I think you want to suck that BIG muslim cock!

  27. No more tests. -- Let's just build! by ve3oat · · Score: 2

    Who needs more tests once he has perfected the technology. Now begins production in earnest. Rockets plus payloads. Onward and upward!

  28. US missile bases by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... intercontinental ballistic missile tests.

    Their missiles have reached 1,000-miles travel mark. That technology is good enough to sell to China, who has 'bases' near Vietnam and the Philippines. China can atom-bomb the US missile bases in South Korea and Okinawa plus the US 6th fleet before it reaches the South China sea.

    1. Re:US missile bases by Jzanu · · Score: 1

      No need, China has missiles that have more than twice that range.

    2. Re:US missile bases by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Huh? China's only had nukes (including H-bombs that are known to, well, *work*) and actual intercontinental BMs to put them on for about 50 years now. In case you missed it, the Chinese have also been putting people and things like space stations into orbit for a number of years.

      The notion of NK supplying the PRC with nuclear and/or missile technology is ludicrous.

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    3. Re:US missile bases by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      North Korea flew a single stage missile 3750 km afar. It's also about their best-tested missile, and was shot that time directly from the transporter-erector truck (rather than the truck driving away first) ; even though it was only publicly revealed in April 15th 2017 at the end of the missile parade.
      The ICBM tests helped it due to being based on the same tech. Its mission is to nuke the US strategic bomber airbase in Guam.
      North Korea might be able to use their new tech to launch a geostationary satellite, or perhaps a space probe, but I think this unlikely for diplomatic reasons.

      Look that's great but indeed China had orbital launches and long range ICBMs before Kim Jong Un was even born.
      They can sell this to : nobody at all, unless they secretly sell missiles (not nukes) to any random country.. which would have to keep the missiles secret, and thus useless as a deterrence weapon.

  29. Getting played by seoras · · Score: 1

    I think Kim Dot Bomb is trying to look like the good guy prior to the meeting with Trump.
    He'll then press the old man's buttons in the meeting until the old man blows and and shouts across the table "your fired!".
    Then walk away saying to the world media "Well I was happy to negotiate but Trump was his usual self and blew it. I'll keep my bombs since this guy is the dangerous one"

  30. We've heard this all before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kim Jong-Il said exactly the same to Clinton in 1994. That didn't work out either.

  31. Re:ShanghaiBill = fake name massive human fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Then why did you fail against apk today https://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12003589&cid=56472075/ ?

  32. No right of return by unixisc · · Score: 4, Interesting

    'Palestinians', or more accurately, local Arabs, do live in that land. What you are likely describing is them occupying Israel and doing their damndest to reduce Jews to a minority, so that they can get rid of the one Jewish country that is actually the original home of the Jews

    It's been 70 years, and everywhere else in the world, when people have been displaced, they settle down in newer countries and assimilate there, rather than carry that grudge across generations. Like Crimean Tatars in Uzbekistan, or Sindhi Hindus in India. Aside from the people in the West Bank or Gaza, there are Palis who left that area to settle in other countries, such as Tunisia, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, et al. There is no reason why they can't just settle down in those countries, and assimilate into their populations

    1. Re:No right of return by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's been 70 years, and everywhere else in the world, when people have been displaced, they settle down in newer countries and assimilate there, rather than carry that grudge across generations.

      Not sure if you're describing the Jews in Israel or Palestinians.

  33. Re:ShanghaiBill = fake name massive human fail by unixisc · · Score: 1

    Can you create a /etc/hosts file that will abort all of Pyongyang's nukes?

  34. Curb your enthusiasm by GrimSavant · · Score: 1

    You really don't seem to know much about how the North Koreans operate, history has shown plenty that they simply can't be trusted. This isn't the first time that they've offered to drop their nuclear weapons program.

    In 2007 they agreed to move towards disarmament, and over the course of 2007 and 2008 they actually took substantive steps in that direction, in particular surrounding shutting down the Yongbyon nuclear facility. In return they received aid, and were removed from the US list of State Sponsors of Terrorism in October 2008.

    Nothing about that lasted. In 2009 they failed in the launch of the Kwangmyngsng-2 satellite, were denounced in turn by the UN as that launch being cover for a missile test, and subsequently restarted their nuclear program and tested another nuclear weapon in the following month, May 2009, and continued their weapons program up to and including the more recent thermonuclear tests. Notably, this was also roughly the timeframe when Kim Jong-Un was securing the succession, he was named the successor by Kim Jong-il in January 2009, and more steps locking that in took place over 2009 and the subsequent years leading up to Kim Jong-il's death in December 2011.

    This really isn't all about Trump, he and his supporters are blinding themselves if they think that somehow his force of personality or whatever will somehow magically fix the problem with North Korea. Their duplicity on nuclear weapons goes back many US presidencies, and if there was an easy way to solve the problem its doubtful we'd be in this position in the first place.

    1. Re:Curb your enthusiasm by mvdwege · · Score: 1

      In 2009 they failed in the launch of the Kwangmyngsng-2 satellite, were denounced in turn by the UN as that launch being cover for a missile test, and subsequently restarted their nuclear program

      So, they failed in a non-nuclear test of a missile and get accused of it being a hidden nuclear program. And you wonder why they think they should not be beholden to an agreement if the other side is blatantly abusing their trust?

      And before you start sputtering: let's just take them at their word. We know that the U.N. is more than willing to believe fabricated evidence by the U.S. We have the sordid history of Iraq's "Weapons of Mass Destruction" as an example.

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    2. Re:Curb your enthusiasm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You really don't seem to know much about how the North Koreans operate, history has shown plenty that they simply can't be trusted. This isn't the first time that they've offered to drop their nuclear weapons program.

      In 2007 they agreed to move towards disarmament, and over the course of 2007 and 2008 they actually took substantive steps in that direction, in particular surrounding shutting down the Yongbyon nuclear facility. In return they received aid, and were removed from the US list of State Sponsors of Terrorism in October 2008.

      And who was President when that happened?

      Nothing about that lasted. In 2009 they failed in the launch of the Kwangmyngsng-2 satellite, were denounced in turn by the UN as that launch being cover for a missile test, and subsequently restarted their nuclear program and tested another nuclear weapon in the following month, May 2009, and continued their weapons program up to and including the more recent thermonuclear tests. Notably, this was also roughly the timeframe when Kim Jong-Un was securing the succession, he was named the successor by Kim Jong-il in January 2009, and more steps locking that in took place over 2009 and the subsequent years leading up to Kim Jong-il's death in December 2011.

      This really isn't all about Trump, he and his supporters are blinding themselves if they think that somehow his force of personality or whatever will somehow magically fix the problem with North Korea. Their duplicity on nuclear weapons goes back many US presidencies, and if there was an easy way to solve the problem its doubtful we'd be in this position in the first place.

      Damn, but it sure looks like it might be about Obama, eh?

      I'm sure it's just a coincidence that when Obama became President, North Korea restarted their nuclear program and ISIS began its growth after Obama pulled US troops from Iraq.

      Did it ever occur to you that a "Gee, I'm sorry the US has been mean. Will you please be nice to us? Because I'm going to be nice to you!" might win a faux Nobel Peace Prize but it's the addle-brained policy of a wet-behind-the-ears naif that murderous dictators that feed opponents into wood chippers feet first will just take advantage of?

    3. Re: Curb your enthusiasm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yawn.

    4. Re:Curb your enthusiasm by GrimSavant · · Score: 1

      They were denounced for doing a ballistic missile test, which was supposed to be stopped as part of Security Council resolution 1718. The denouncement didn't come with much teeth, like adding sanctions or whatnot, it just made demands to stop the missile and nuclear programs. The North Koreans promptly tested another nuclear weapon in response to that.

      Are you for real about suggesting this being faked? Have you gone that far down the rabbit hole that you go straight to thinking of fabricated evidence? The North Koreans were proudly announcing that they were going launch the rocket ahead of time! The North Koreans were even the ones who "faked" things, because they said it was a successful launch when it was ruled to be a failure by outside observers.

      This is also a big issue for the Trump administration with the deal over Iran's nuclear program. Part of the excuse the Trump folks want to use to break that is that Iran has still done missile tests, but those missile tests weren't a dealbreaker under the conditions of that agreement. So that would be a clear example of reneging on a deal by the US if Trump does that, while the historical case here all the US did was a denouncement when North Korea actually had violated the relevant UNSC resolution.

    5. Re:Curb your enthusiasm by GrimSavant · · Score: 1

      It's probably not worth responding to an empty headed partisan AC, but this shows some of the point I was trying to get across. The North Korean nuclear program has its roots in the 1950s and 1960s. Some folks like the parent are such shortsighted partisans that they can't appreciate that this issue has much longer scope and goes beyond the simple internal political divide of the US of the moment.

      Bill Clinton failed to resolve the North Korean nuclear issue. George W Bush failed to resolve the North Korean nuclear issue. Barack Obama failed to resolve the North Korean nuclear issue. I pessimistically expect Donald Trump to fail to resolve the North Korean nuclear issue, I just hope he doesn't do so in a catastrophic way that leads to Korean War II or WWII.

      It's not the US that holds most of the cards on dealing with this. It's the Chinese and the North Koreans themselves who have the best ability to resolve this problem in a way that doesn't end up with millions dead.

    6. Re:Curb your enthusiasm by mvdwege · · Score: 1

      No, I am merely saying that withoutproof I am not going to just take a declaration of "they are up to no good" for truth. It's called 'being rational', you should try it sometime.

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    7. Re:Curb your enthusiasm by GrimSavant · · Score: 1

      What you are doing is not "being rational", it's borderline willfully ignorant. This is widely reported publicly available information.

      NK was not supposed to be testing rockets either, not just nuclear weapons themselves. And their rocket did cross into Japanese airspace. Russia and China are on the UNSC too, and they got that denouncement watered down enough that it was mainly a slap on the wrist. Again, just being denounced was enough to cause NK to test another nuclear weapon right after, when the plutonium processing at Yongbyon was supposed to be shutting down, so regardless of mean words NK definitely was "up to no good".

      Is the world so upside down that we even have reflexive apologia for North Korea here now? I certainly don't want a war with them, but you have to be living in an alternative universe to think that they operate in anything remotely close to good faith. These guys have even given unambigious casus bellis, such as by launching an artillery bombardment of Yeonpyeong. I hate to think what would happen if they tried that sort of thing again with Trump and his NSA John Bolton in charge now.

    8. Re:Curb your enthusiasm by mvdwege · · Score: 1

      "You just don't want to see!" is the battle cry of the bigoted ignoramuses projecting their own shortcomings. I see no apologia, merely a simple observation that the mere say so of one party not makes it truth. You are the one with a reading problem, apparently.

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  35. Before modern Israel... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ....NOBODY....wanted that tiny piece of land, of the giant entirety of that area. It was inhospitable desert. But plop some Jews and all of a sudden every Muslim gets all bent out of shape.

    1. Re:Before modern Israel... by RespekMyAthorati · · Score: 2

      NOBODY....wanted that tiny piece of land, of the giant entirety of that area.

      A typical Likud lie.
      All the thousands of Arab farmers that lived in that area prior to 1945
      very much wanted to keep their land, and still deserve proper compensation.

  36. Impressive by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 2, Funny

    If nothing else, Trump finally got Democrats to distrust communists ...

    1. Re:Impressive by meglon · · Score: 0

      I can't seem to find the mod "stupider than shit" for your comment.

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    2. Re: Impressive by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      What's stupid about it? The democrats have long loved communists. Bernie Sanders took his honeymoon in the Soviet Union.

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    3. Re: Impressive by meglon · · Score: 0

      Sure, if you're a fucking idiot and don't know what communism is, it probably looks like a decent comment. That's not because it is a decent comment, it's because you're a fucking idiot.

      There's a great deal of difference between social democracy and communism, but it takes a couple brain cells to understand... so there's no need in explaining it to you again. You are a complete fucking idiot; always have been, always will be.

      I get it, though... you've so fully embraced the fascists anti-intellectualism, that you take great pride in being such a complete idiot. Kudo's, you're really, really have achieved a great level of stupidity.

      Perhaps we should talk more about the fascist conservatives in the US. Now those two thing are almost synonymous anymore, yet here again, conservatives tend to be too fucking stupid to understand that.

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    4. Re: Impressive by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Yeah you also probably believe that Venezuela was a socialist paradise until it failed. And you'll probably screech that "people were just too stupid, and communism *still* hasn't been done properly.

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    5. Re: Impressive by meglon · · Score: 1

      No, just pointing out that you (also) are a fucking idiot. Social democracies like the Nordic countries are all doing better than us. Why? Because they don't have a such a large group of complete fucking idiots like you. I get it, you can't be bothered to actually learn something in life... you'd rather walk around with your head up your ass. They understand that government serves a purpose, and that's to make life better for their citizens... not like you fucking fascists think, that government is only power when you're in control so you can enrich your whiny little bitch asses at the expense of everyone else.

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    6. Re: Impressive by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Looks like you got pretty triggered. Those "social democracies" aren't doing very hot these days, then again most people also enjoy things like "freedom of speech" instead of "the right not to be offended." Boy oh boy, you sure love the government when it turns around and controls your life, and all that. But it takes some pretty tiny balls to call someone a fascist when you're actually supporting it.

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    7. Re: Impressive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Bernie Sanders took his honeymoon in the Soviet Union.

      Bernie Sanders actually went on a diplomatic junket to the city of Yaroslavl, an initiative encouraged and fostered by the Reagan administration. Thousands of others did the same.

      He actually interacted with the civic government and worked to build good relations with them so that Gorbachev's perestroika efforts could succeed.

      Donald Trump went to Russia to get pissed on by a prostitute then sucked Putin's cock. After which they stole 100 billion dollars from America through fraudulent bank transactions.

      Congratulations on worshipping an actual horrible person, who merely screams the loud noises you want to hear.

    8. Re:Impressive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't seem to find the mod "stupider than shit" for your comment.

      Stuck pigs squeal the loudest.

      GP's post fucking HURT, didn't it?

      Funny how Trump also got Democrats hating the USSR, errr, Russia.

    9. Re: Impressive by meglon · · Score: 1

      So you're also too fucking stupid to understand what fascism is. I get it, you're a fucking idiot; you don't have to keep proving it.

      Those social democracies are doing far better than the US is, and in fact, Norway's sovereign wealth fund passed 1 trillion last year. I'd say that's pretty fucking good. You worthless little fascist shitheads don't seem to have much understanding about governments.... you just want to be perpetual two year olds with your diapers full of crap. Tell me, does it hurt being as stupid as you are?

      There's two types of conservatives here in the US now... the neo-nazi's who know they're fascists, and have the balls to say so... and the conservatives who are just too fucking stupid to realize that's what they are. I'll give you credit, at least your consistent; incapable of learning, consistently stupid.

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    10. Re: Impressive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope, Venezuela was yet another oil satrapy which exploited and abused its people with the full-support of the "civilized" world.

      The only difference was not being an Islamist state, but the people were still victims of greed and malice. You were stupid enough to fall for the bait though.

      Funny how Pavlonian your response to the word "Socialism" happens to be.

    11. Re: Impressive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fascists? Long overdue kommi drooler! Yep ... and you'll know it when white nationalist constitutional yeomanry smash-in yo Trotsky-ite face and break yo neekaps. Send you , Guat-sluts and the Bantu wogs back to JuJu land.

    12. Re: Impressive by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      I'm not a fascist. I feel you don't know what fascism is. Here's a quick primer on fascism, extensively footnoted. It's a fascinating read, highly informative, and you can follow up by reading the books described in the references. Only anti-intellectuals refuse to learn.

      "Conservatives are fascists!" - A person that does not know what fascists are. Or, perhaps even more prevalent, a person that does not know what conservatives are. Capitalism and Fascism are completely incompatible. Fascism is totalitarian and only cares about industry in so far that it serves the state - it will therefore never allow free innovation to meet public demand which is the cornerstone of Capitalism. There would be no equivalent of McDonald's, SpaceX, porn sites or surplus of bad airplane novels in a fascist state. You're just another troll, narcissist or blowhard whose arguments are fatally compromised by bad faith, petulance, intellectual laziness and blatant bigotry.

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    13. Re: Impressive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The US actually is a social democracy, at least since 1965. I hope you'd know from the non-discretionary federal spending.
      It's Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps, and other things. Unemployment benefits?
      Of course it's a very poorly run one. Without the fantastical racket of the healthcare industry, or if there was such thing as a maximum prison sentence the US would be more like your typical Nordic or Western European social democracy but bigger and wealthier.

    14. Re: Impressive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bernie Sanders took his honeymoon in the Soviet Union.

      Bernie Sanders actually went on a diplomatic junket to the city of Yaroslavl, an initiative encouraged and fostered by the Reagan administration.

      So he did one of those kill two birds with one stone things - for his honeymoon.
      What a cheap bastard!

    15. Re: Impressive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PS : for the last decade (if not more) European "social-democrats" have gotten more like unhinged liberal pro-corporate globalists (the likes of Schroeder, Blair, Hollande, Macron, the latter does not really belong in there but sort of hijacked a so-called "socialist" government thanks to President Hollande betraying its left-leaning social-democrat voters)

      I don't like it. In my country we may call that "right-wing", e.g. Hillary Clinton was a right-wing candidate.
      I thought Bernie Sanders would have been about perfect for the US. Half the TV I watched in my life showed me the US : the land of capitalism, huge public high schools, cops and emergency rooms.

      About government controlling everything you do, let's have a little example, peeing in the streets. Would you like the sentence to be :
      - a small fine
      - a heavy fine
      - prison sentence for sexual exhibition unless you go with a plea bargain ; registration on sex offenders list
      Do you want one of the latter options to happen even if you peed in a decent way (in grass, bushes, the river, in a drain)
      The first option was my social-democratic country, but they seem to switch to the second one in my town as we drift to liberal globalist authoritarian.
      The latter is the US, land of the free America.

  37. Jews are a human cancer, a plague, a virus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everyone knows that! Quote Matrix Agent Smith: Jews are a human virus rotting one nation, spreading to another to do it again.

  38. Passed QA phase, on to production? by amigabill · · Score: 1

    Uh, maybe that isn't good news...

  39. Re: 4th time today I've been impersonated... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I only see verbal and mental dhiarrea here

  40. That's not I (trolls impersonating me again) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: I wish I could but once an idea's (atomic fission OR nuclear fusion tech) out, it's impossible to kill.

    Personally I think Einstein didn't think of it 1st but was the ONLY ONE STUPID ENOUGH to not think it thru that any superior tech SOMEHOW gets weaponized vs. helping humanity 1st.

    APK

    P.S.=> Now, w/ a name like "Unix IS C"? You know this already hosts won't work here so, gimme a break... apk

  41. Re: Why we tried to rid ourselves of Jews by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You *know* you shouldn't skip your meds, right?

  42. This isn't good people- diversity is a good thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Even if its for no other reason than to ensure that there are *different* people and places. The way things are heading we have some really terrible circumstance hitting us around the world. Free trade=good. But trade with conditions like copy"right" = bad. And so if we don't want to end up with a world that is identical and bad we need to see how different systems work and we also don't want to have a world where there is only one power. A world with different powers with different views and different ways of doing things is good. Ultimately we will see bad people do bad things- but the alternative is we get bad people doing bad things everywhere. We have too much western democracy and this is coming from someone who wants MORE freedom- not less. I'm a libertarian. I want to see failed socialist states and even successful socialist states. I want to see free states. I want to see states like Syria and states like historic Russia. I want to see hippie states. I want to see Muslim states. I want to see diversity. The more the better.

  43. 7th time today I've been impersonated... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject & the rest listed here + why (butthurt ac who destroyed himself on hosts kernelmode) https://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12012911&cid=56473441/ vs. slower usermode (the little fuck that's doing this is a SERIOUS screwup, lol, hence the WEAK butthurt effete attempts @ "impersonating" me, via harassing others).

    * Unbelievable... lmao!

    APK

    P.S.=> That's probably the RESULT of being raised as a "soyboy" weasel for the unidentifiable "ne'er-do-well" trying to make me look "bad" impersonating me - RoTfLmAo... apk

  44. Re:Why we tried to rid ourselves of Jews by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is the first time in many, many years of reading /., that I actually got up and made a bowl of popcorn while reading a post.

    Fine job, good sir!

  45. Nice try impersonating me (unbelievable) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject & How Clever of you (not) when you copy my post content here https://yro.slashdot.org/comme... & paste it in your post I just replied to.

    * Like I said - unbelievable.

    APK

    P.S.=> Grow up impersonator - it's gets old & isn't even original or some '1st' - it's stale (like you)... apk

  46. Re:ShanghaiBill = fake name massive human fail by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    Hi there, APK. It's obvious from your own transparent/laughable failures to impersonate that you don't even understand what the word means.

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  47. Re:This isn't good people- diversity is a good thi by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    You may be a fan of régimes that feed their populations into grinders to make armies and nukes and to guarantee a rich lifestyle for the Leader and his inner circle. I'm not.

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  48. Re:Why we tried to rid ourselves of Jews by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    His hosts file screeds are more original, though.

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  49. Re: 4th time today I've been impersonated... apk by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    Agreed. I see it from an ac troll apk quoted...

    That's odd, I see only APK talking to himself.

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  50. Re: 4th time today I've been impersonated... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I see you not living up to being called out by apk Zontar https://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12013759&cid=56476357/

  51. On the condition US denuclearizes by stooo · · Score: 1

    There's just one conditions so NK gives up nukes :
    That the other nations denuclearize also, including of course the US.
    Will the US give up nuclear weapons ? not sure.

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    1. Re:On the condition US denuclearizes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sum this up well, likely. It's the official stance of most nations with nuclear weapons though. I think the NPT about says as much. Officially we'll get rid of nuclear weapons. US, France, Russia etc. may be grossly violating the treaty by developing nuclear weapons. Although, it's mostly to maintain the status quo.
      Just one example : the National Ignition Facility in the US - this is not to single the US out but this thing was built to help maintain nuclear weapons.
      I don't know what the countries should do and I'm not proposing anything to get rid of nuclear weapons ; either things should continue as they do, or I don't know what should be done.

      Indeed North Korea might want to join this "club".
      Afterall the US, France, Russia, China don't test nuclear weapons either. They still test ICBMs though, even in the past few years, or this year or in 2017.

      North Korea probably wants to agree to stop missile tests, but would like to carry out space launches. That got them in trouble every time but I expect them to try to pretend they're allowed to launch satellites and stuff. Up to manned flights even - they may be the last country trying, because they seek grandeur so much no matter what. Not saying it's a good idea, but North Koreans may believe they'll do that.

  52. Re: Why we tried to rid ourselves of Jews by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    God damn!

  53. Jordan? Lebanaon? Egypt? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You use that term "their land" but I do not think you understand what it means.

    Islam is approx 600 years younger than Christianity.

    Christianity is thousands of years younger than Judaism.

    Jerusalem (AKA the City of David) was the Capital of the Jewish nation-state thousands of years before Muhammed was even born.

    There has never in history been any nation named "Palestine". The idea of a "Palestinian people" as a discrete civilization and/or ethnicity was a political fraud which Yassir Arafat (an Egyptian) admitted in the 1970s in an interview on the American TV program "60 Minutes".

    So, how can a people who've never existed as a people have prior claim to a land that was somebody else's well-documented and mapped homeland and capital city thousands of years before they were even made-up to exist? Can I just suddenly claim to be a member of a people called the "bizzles" and insist that Saudi Arabia (and all its oil of course) is actually ancient bizzlestan and that I and my friends and family have a "right of return" to move into Saudi Arabia and take the place over? Can I and all my friends and family call anybody who opposes us "racist" and "anti-bizzle" and "bizzle-phobic"? Can we take-up arms and begin terrorist attacks on all Saudis, slaughtering innocent men, women and children in the name of "freedom for bizzlestan"?

    Face it: the "Palestinians" are a portion of the Arab world that all Arab and Muslim tyrants have used for decades as a cause to distract their own populations from facing just how backward their societies are. Middle and lower-class people throughout the Arab and Muslim world are supposed to focus on hating Israel and Jews and on the supposedly unjustly victimized "Palestinian brothers" (and not notice that none of the rich muslim nations like Saudi Arabia, Quatar, Kuwait, etc have offered to take them in...)

    1. Re: Jordan? Lebanaon? Egypt? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually you can't make that kind of argument because the world doesn't work that way. If you truly believe that Israel should go to the Jews due to their history, then all of th USA should go back to the American Indians.

  54. Finished testing nukes, still producing them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Has everyone forgotten so soon that Kim already said their nuclear development was now complete? Of course he's done testing.

    He said then that NK was moving into mass-production of nuclear weapons - and nothing today has changed that. Nowhere has Kim suggested he is closing down nuke production. In the past, "denuclearisation of the Korean Peninsula" has meant the complete withdrawal of all US forces along with its nuclear umbrella over South Korea, Japan, and the Asian area.

  55. Kim Jong Un disagrees with the unnamed source by hackertourist · · Score: 1

    KJU: "we don't need to do more tests now that we have a working weapon"
    source: "Kim has committed himself to the path of denuclearization".

    These are very different paths.

  56. Rosy Future of Korean Nation Holding Peerlessly Gr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apr. 19, Juche 107 (2018) Thursday

    Rosy Future of Korean Nation Holding Peerlessly Great Man in High Esteem

    With the approach of the north-south summit meeting and talks to be noteworthy in the history of the national reunification movement, all Koreans are full of conviction in rosy future of the nation that holds the respected Supreme Leader Kim Jong Un in high esteem.

    The north-south summit meeting and talks are unthinkable without his rare wisdom, firm will for national reunification, broadminded magnanimity and noble compatriotism.

    On the summit meeting and talks to be held thanks to the steel-strong will for reunification and broadminded and compatriotic steps of Kim Jong Un, all Koreans at home and abroad praise him as the peerlessly great man taking the helm of the history and steering the trend of the world. They are convinced that the bright future is always in store for the nation when they value and maintain the good atmosphere of the north-south relations provided by him.

    Immensely rosy is the future of our nation holding Kim Jong Un, heaven-sent great man of Paektu, in high esteem.

    No persistent move of the anti-reunification forces can block the Korean nation vigorously advancing along the road of independent reunification under his leadership.

    Pak Chol Jun

  57. Re:Why we tried to rid ourselves of Jews by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now THAT"S a rant. Congrats on the length, depth and perversity of it.

  58. Too Early in the Spin Cycle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't trust the PRC, Trump, CNN, and certainly don't trust North Korea. There are two possible outcomes: North Korea will deliver on its promises and then ask the US for concessions...or North Korea will resume their nuclear program and their usual games once they've made another breakthrough in their weapons and smuggling programs. The stupidest thing we can do is to take them at their word.

    1. Re:Too Early in the Spin Cycle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You may try to view it in North Korea's boots too. They did see the US as unreliable and dangerous to them as well. E.g. in the 90s the deal was to help North Korea have two civilian nuclear reactors. We would say that's dumb as fuck now but back in the days it wasn't too outlandish, many countries had and have civilian nuclear power, like it's coal plants with cheap fuel and no air pollution, and the power plants are not useful in themselves to make weapons. The plutonium produced is in some kind of worthless hazardous nuclear waste sludge.
      That wasn't going very far but the back up was letting have them heavy fuel oil for power plants. Then that got halted because they're evil communist bastards etc.
      Why did they want some basic energy security? Because it's a fucking country and they need to have better living standards than Afghanistan and Sierra Leone that's why. Then there's W. Bush and the Axis of Evil and a long kill list of countries and they actually invade the first in the list while credibly threatening (or messing with) the others. Duh!

  59. Why we tried to rid ourselves of Jews by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let jews tell you what they really are: Khazar Talmudic Jews believe this of all they call goyim/gentiles (non-jews): Jews = biggest racists of all for which they "jew guilt" you for no less! They're hypocrites known as thieves all thru history or were these nations banishing them a lie? Argentines in 1940 under Peron, France (1306), Egypt (despoiled/robbed by jews), Arabs (pre & post 1948), England (1330 Edward longshanks), Romans under titus, Russia pogroms, Spanish inquistion & Spain 1492 and Germany who got rid of them from their nations nazi german's too? No. Driven into DESERTS ages ago! Don't wonder why after all those exilings above. Should anyone doubt any of this see Jacob Javits' crony Rosenthal spill the beans on it (which JEWgle's JEWTube has blocked, there are links below though that are not blocked proving it is truth) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4zMVZ8HnFI/ where he called all Christianity fools for helping Israel and the biggest scam of all time per their beliefs below from their Talmud. This is the province of the synagogue of Satan (Pharisees whom Jesus Christ himself kicked to the curb out of the temple & they killed him for it. Jeremiah did the same to them also + the Essenes could not stand them either breaking away from the pharisee corruption):

    Mark Zuckerberg who STOLE facebook's code from the Winklevoss twins (who dusted him in court on it) calling his users "DUMB FUCKS" & spied on his collegiate classmates via 'fakebook', home of bots and spying/tracking you, now in court FRYING (rightfully so). He also PAID OFF the courts (by political contributions like Jew AIPAC does) on the MAJORITY of the council judges there. He STILL had to apologize!

    Maria Abramovic satanist spirit cooker pal of Hillary Clinton the Voodoo queen is a jew https://www.google.com/search?...

    Like Hillary Clinton's mentor Saul Alinsky author of rules for radicals book dedicated to Lucifer

    John Podesta Hillary's pal again, is another JUDE with a pedophile brother (both = satanists too imo).

    "Most Jews do not like to admit it, but our god is Lucifer so I wasnâ(TM)t lying â" and we are his chosen people. Lucifer is very much aliveâ Harold Rosenthal http://www.thetruthseeker.co.u...

    Jewish rabbi openly admits to satan worship use white children's blood they kill for passover bread (which THIS video covers in detail https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU8Y1743QoY/ & how they ran the black slave trade + how they say a prayer to KILL US ALL (goyim) during passover), infiltrating and subverting the catholic church, creating the Jesuit order https://www.youtube.com/watch?... and https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
    or https://www.youtube.com/watch?... too!

    Barbara Spectre, a jew, tells everyone it's jews orchestrating the muslim migrant problem in Europe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ/ (now blocked by JEWgle JEWTube, but this one is not https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85BKDj_1vVU/ ). No migrant raping of women in Poland. Tons in Sweden. Do the math. Use common-sense. This is to get muslims and other goyim/gentiles to wipe one another out as incompatible cultures that will clash and always have.

    Rabbi A. Finkelstein ADMITS their greatest enemies are ARABS and WHITES (blacks too) whom they wish to kill one another in a 'theater of war' which they find

  60. Re:Why we tried to rid ourselves of Jews by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I encourage others see the post you troll as you don't invalidate its content. Impossible as it is fact jews supply. I took a few hours today to verify its content out of curiousity. I learned much I had no clue of before. It is spot on. You must be one of the jews that don't want it seen in my opinion. I don't blame you but you do it to yourselves. You're going to get Zyklon B and furnaces probably since you don't learn from your constant historical mistakes you have made for millenia and you can't get over your delusions of "superiority" but if you are so superior? Why can't you accept yourselves? You cut your noses off in plastic surgery and try straighten your hair which tells me that you wish you were goy actually. I pity you. You expect others to accept you when you can't even accept your natural hooknosed selves and it is clear from the nosejobs alone that you know you are not. Others dislike you when you wish them dead or raped or robbed. Don't you get it? That makes you stupid! Your book of law the talmud states things that make the rest of humanity shun you and many sources verify it as fact. In my estimation, that is how jews have destroyed themselves through history.

  61. What the Trumpkins miss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To be fair it isn't just the Trumpkins but most people miss the election of a socialist leader is South Korea and his extensive work on normalizing relations with the North. The only thing Trump's idiocy did was enable the South Korean leader to gain public support for his diplomacy. The South Korean leader was able to show the unreliability of the US as a protector as Trump showed the US would readily sacrifice South Korean lives to protect it's own interests. Add on to this Russian and Chinese interests and ability to push their interests on a compliant US president and we have the makings of a potential solution.

    To be fair some credit should go to Republicans in both houses whom would never allow a Democrat to even speak with the North.

  62. Pay no heed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The first fundamental law of understanding PRK is that what they say or promise don't make no difference.

    If he says he'll stop, maybe he will. Then start again, as before.

    If he says he'll stop, and he does, it probably just means they have accumulated enough compute power to simulate as well as the US does.

    In other words, it don't mean a hill of beans other than as a negotiating ploy.

  63. Why we tried to rid ourselves of Jews by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let jews tell you what they really are: Khazar Talmudic Jews believe this of all they call goyim/gentiles (non-jews): Jews = biggest racists of all for which they "jew guilt" you for no less! They're hypocrites known as thieves all thru history or were these nations banishing them a lie? Argentines in 1940 under Peron, France (1306), Egypt (despoiled/robbed by jews), Arabs (pre & post 1948), England (1330 Edward longshanks), Romans under titus, Russia pogroms, Spanish inquistion & Spain 1492 and Germany who got rid of them from their nations nazi german's too? No. Driven into DESERTS ages ago! Don't wonder why after all those exilings above. Should anyone doubt any of this see Jacob Javits' crony Rosenthal spill the beans on it (which JEWgle's JEWTube has blocked, there are links below though that are not blocked proving it is truth) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4zMVZ8HnFI/ where he called all Christianity fools for helping Israel and the biggest scam of all time per their beliefs below from their Talmud. This is the province of the synagogue of Satan (Pharisees whom Jesus Christ himself kicked to the curb out of the temple & they killed him for it. Jeremiah did the same to them also + the Essenes could not stand them either breaking away from the pharisee corruption):

    Mark Zuckerberg who STOLE facebook's code from the Winklevoss twins (who dusted him in court on it) calling his users "DUMB FUCKS" & spied on his collegiate classmates via 'fakebook', home of bots and spying/tracking you, now in court FRYING (rightfully so). He also PAID OFF the courts (by political contributions like Jew AIPAC does) on the MAJORITY of the council judges there. He STILL had to apologize!

    Maria Abramovic satanist spirit cooker pal of Hillary Clinton the Voodoo queen is a jew https://www.google.com/search?...

    Like Hillary Clinton's mentor Saul Alinsky author of rules for radicals book dedicated to Lucifer

    John Podesta Hillary's pal again, is another JUDE with a pedophile brother (both = satanists too imo).

    "Most Jews do not like to admit it, but our god is Lucifer so I wasnâ(TM)t lying â" and we are his chosen people. Lucifer is very much aliveâ Harold Rosenthal http://www.thetruthseeker.co.u...

    Jewish rabbi openly admits to satan worship use white children's blood they kill for passover bread (which THIS video covers in detail https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU8Y1743QoY/ & how they ran the black slave trade + how they say a prayer to KILL US ALL (goyim) during passover), infiltrating and subverting the catholic church, creating the Jesuit order https://www.youtube.com/watch?... and https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
    or https://www.youtube.com/watch?... too!

    Barbara Spectre, a jew, tells everyone it's jews orchestrating the muslim migrant problem in Europe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ/ (now blocked by JEWgle JEWTube, but this one is not https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85BKDj_1vVU/ ). No migrant raping of women in Poland. Tons in Sweden. Do the math. Use common-sense. This is to get muslims and other goyim/gentiles to wipe one another out as incompatible cultures that will clash and always have.

    Rabbi A. Finkelstein ADMITS their greatest enemies are ARABS and WHITES (blacks too) whom they wish to kill one another in a 'theater of war' which they find

  64. Definitions by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    he's forgotten how Nixon went to China

    You've forgotten the definition of modern it would seem.

    Carter got a peace accord in the Middle-East

    Wow, just WOW. You are really going to hold up the Middle East as an example of SUCESS?? Just because he got a piece of paper signed while many continued to die there. You must REALLY love paper.

    Reagan blew up the debt

    But ended the Soviet Union for quite a while in the process, which incidentally Obama helped prosper in recent times.

    Bush I conquered Iraq

    Now you are talking about modern times, but I wouldn't could anything any Bush did as a success.

    I count that one as kind of a wash because he got rid of.a really bad dictator but then Obama again backed out of Iraq and essentially destroyed a tenuous success turning it to failure.

    Obama fixed health insurance

    We were talking foreign policy... but I love how claim health care in the U.S. is "fixed". Who thinks that exactly?

    Obama fixed health insurance and didn't start a war.

    Holy shit did you really forget Libya, the worst debacle in modern times that destroyed a country that was slowly modernizing. It will remain a third world nation for the next fifty years thanks to Hillary and Obama - I was planning a trip to Libya before the war there started and now I will not see it in my lifetime.

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    1. Re:Definitions by JoshuaZ · · Score: 1

      Yes, Carter did get peace in the Middle East between Egypt and Israel. And in fact, that really did lead to real and lasting peace https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt%E2%80%93Israel_Peace_Treaty. The fact that there are other parts of the Middle East which have violence doesn't make that accomplishment go away.

  65. Fooled by what?? by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Don't be fooled. This is a step toward a unified Korea and possibly a Korea much more friendly with China down the road.

    Yes, and???

    Still WAY WAY better than NK, which had literally insane leadership with a few nukes to play with.

    You may not like China much but they are rational players. Also they would prefer to simply take over the U.S. rather than blow bits of it up or kill as many people as possible.

    I foresee a not unrealistic takeover of the U.S. by China in the next hundred years, though probably more of a merger. So worrying about Korea getting closer to China just seems utterly irrelevant.

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  66. Now @ 11x today I've been impersonated... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject & the rest listed here + why (butthurt ac who destroyed himself on hosts kernelmode) https://it.slashdot.org/commen... vs. slower usermode (the little fuck that's doing this is a SERIOUS screwup, lol, hence the WEAK butthurt effete attempts @ "impersonating" me, via harassing others).

    * Unbelievable... lmao!

    APK

    P.S.=> That's probably the RESULT of being raised as a "soyboy" weasel for the whimp trying to make me look "bad" impersonating me - RoTfLmAo... apk

  67. More like relief. by Howitzer86 · · Score: 1

    It's kind of a relief actually that his term is useful in some way to American interests as opposed to just foreign ones.

  68. Re:This isn't good people- diversity is a good thi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm some lazy anarchist communist whatever, and I want to see this inside countries as well ; it's already like this no matter you or I may think. Someone once made the case of the economy's plurality (I don't remember who, this was an article or essay in the 2000s).
    In an economy you have sleazy capitalists, large old family business, very small family businesses, very small capitalist businesses, lawyers, workers of all collars that work hard or not and well or not, non-profits of various size, government bureaucrats, public servants, socialistic companies made of hippies, independent working persons, old and disabled people and lazy bums, housewives that do nothing and housewives that do everything.

    This is not to make a case that everything is good, everyone is happy, everyone gets a trophy. At worst it's just basic observation. Heck, we still have things like the military and catholic monks, like it's 300 AD.

    There's a problem with totalitarian neoliberalism right now. They're attacking everything that's not individualism, capitalism, "free trade" and "free market" basically. So the targets are : hippies, bums including the homeless, retired people, government, state-owned companies in capitalist countries, workers rights, regulated jobs like taxis or anything, everything informal from cash economy to drinking in the streets and partying in non-designated commercial avenues, and freedom of the press is down the drain (the attacks on free speech are only icing on the cake. journalists don't exercise their freedom of speech anyhow)

  69. Re:Why me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess the idiot moderator didn't get the Ned Beatty reference. No surprise, I guess. way over their heads...

  70. Uff, nuclear holocaust avoided! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wait... what was that about Trump bombing Syria and pissing off the nuclear-armed Russians?

    Or Trump wanting to invade an Iran that can be made capable of developing nuclear weapons?

    Or Japan quickly rearming itself for a (nuclear) war with China over rare minerals near their territory?

  71. How about ... by martinfb · · Score: 1

    How about agreeing to stop the "evil Americans" propaganda, and actually reverse that?!

    Most PRNK citizens believe that Americans are evil creatures bent on hurting them. They all want to kill, literally, all Americans (as the jihadist do).

    --


    Self-importance and self-indulgence is the root of ALL evil.
  72. Re:No more tests. -- Let's just build! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Right, people seem to be intepreting ""under the proven condition of complete nuclear weapons" as if he meant "we don't want nukes anymore" but all his words after that were talking about not needing the TEST expenses...

  73. Learned well from Kim Jong-Ill by XSportSeeker · · Score: 1

    I guess some people might be too young or have too short memories, but this is nothing new.
    It's a tactic played well by his father that he must've learned exactly how to play from an young age.
    Make threats and become belligerent when a new US president shows up, escalate aggression, call the world's attention, put everyone on high alert. Internally you ramp up nationalism, tell citizens their way of living is being threatened, ramp up defense, the leader gets to say he'll do everything to defend the "greatest country" or some bullshit.
    Then he goes on diplomacy mode, say he wants peace and negotiation, make promises to see how the global landscape will react, try to cut out deals to cut through sanctions and whatnot, play the good guy while secretly building up for the next round with weapons development.
    Rinse and repeat. That's all there is to it. It's a cycle that has basically happened to every US president in the past couple of decades or so. It works, there is no better way of dealing with it, and it guarantees that North Korea will remain a dictatorship for a very long time.

  74. Zontar - am I wrong in the link I post now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject, answer it's question per what's in this link where I total an anonymous imbecile https://it.slashdot.org/commen...

    * You trying to tell me I am WRONG there? You certainly KNOW I'm not & you CERTAINLY WON'T ANSWER & "Run, Forrest: RUN!!! lol!

    See you try to "downmod hide" this very post too twice via your many sockpuppets & "ZIP" anonymous poster (yes I know that's you too) https://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12013759&cid=56477131/ + https://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12013759&cid=56476231/ - why's that? YOU F'D UP IS WHY!

    I know you're a druggie that's brain addled & had to go to 'depression treatment' (for weak pussies like you from SWEDEN (sweetie from sweden letting your WOMEN BE RAPED BY MUSLIMS))!

    Soon "your kind" (not men, soyboy wimps 'sweeties from sweden') will be sucking those muslims cocks too, lol!

    APK

    P.S.=> You almost have a valid excuse to be the whacko you are (loony bird). I might go nuts seeing my sister/mother/grandma/aunts etc. be raped by them! Except I'd probably murder the rapist vs. pussying out like YOUR "NOT MEN" NATION HAS!

    NOW - should I show the links where you ADMIT all I said about you above again? Ask...

  75. Round and round we go with western propaganda by Uberbah · · Score: 1

    1) The United States killed three million Koreans and flattened every city in the north in an illegal war

    2) The United States has overthrown dozens of democracies since the Korean War, replacing many of them with dictatorships, and sometimes for giggles gone back decades later to overthrow those dictatorships (see Iraq)

    3) North Korea's threats are retaliatory - as in 'we'll can strike you if you attack us'. You could also end sanctions that make NK dependent on outside help, too.

    4) The United States has practiced invasions of North Korea every year every year since the 90's. During harvest or planting seasons which forces men who would be working on farms to deploy to the border, in case this time it's for real.

    North Korea is not a spoiled child as you absurdly suggest. They are defending themselves against American regime change.

    1. Re:Round and round we go with western propaganda by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      can't they be both? spoiled child and afraid of US invasion...

    2. Re:Round and round we go with western propaganda by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Sure, in theory. In reality, North Korea would be legally and morally entitled to a few trillion in reparations for being bombed into rubble and decades of sanctions/practice invasions/terrorist threats.

      So wanting a handful of pennies in comparison and assurances that the United States wont unilaterally attack them - not childish.