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MIT Researchers Developed a 'System For Dream Control' (vice.com)

dmoberhaus writes: Researchers at MIT Media Lab have adapted a centuries' old technique for inducing hypnagogia for the 21st century. Known as Dormio, this system is able to extend and manipulate the period users spend in a transitional state of consciousness between wakefulness and sleep known as hypnagogia. This state is characterized by vivid hallucinations and microdreams, and as the MIT researchers demonstrated, the contents of these microdreams can be manipulated with the system and subsequently result in heightened creativity when the user awakes. Motherboard got the exclusive details on the system.

54 comments

  1. I signed up for by goombah99 · · Score: 4, Funny

    the martian spy adventure dream.

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    Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
    1. Re:I signed up for by john+of+sparta · · Score: 2

      did you get it Wholesale?

    2. Re:I signed up for by thomst · · Score: 1

      john of sparta inquired:

      did you get it Wholesale?

      Someone with points mod parent +1 Funny (for subtle PKD reference), please ...

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    3. Re:I signed up for by Greyfox · · Score: 1

      Oooh but you have to pull a 1" diameter locator beacon out of your nose. That kind of sucks.

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      I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?

  2. Queensryche by Errol+backfiring · · Score: 3, Funny

    So they listened to Silent Lucidity and tried it out?

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    Nae king! Nae laird! Nae yurrupiean pressedent! We willna be fooled again!
    1. Re:Queensryche by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hitler did nothing wrong.

    2. Re:Queensryche by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In your dreams.

  3. I woke up by goombah99 · · Score: 1

    In a self driving Uber.

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    Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
    1. Re:I woke up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jesus Christ son, if you are lucidly dreaming while in a self-driving Uber, it's because Uber is using you as the AI.

      Go back to sleep before you kill us all!

    2. Re:I woke up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're in a Johnnycab

    3. Re:I woke up by forkfail · · Score: 1

      You ARE Johnnycab. You have been assimilated. Welcome to Hell.

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      Check your premises.
    4. Re:I woke up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More like dissembled.

      Seriously, have you fuck-tards not seen Total Recall??!

    5. Re:I woke up by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      So, this is the same thing they're talking about here as "lucid dreaming"...where you know you are in a dream, and can control things?

      I love when that happens, BUT, can't ever seem to stay in that state for any length of time....I end up waking up very shortly after hitting that level....

      *sigh*

      Man, if they could harness that state and allow you to stay in it as long as possible, talk about a money maker.

      Trouble is...it is so pleasant that it likely could become the most addictive "drug" in the world, as that no one wants reality when they can have it all in a dream.

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    6. Re:I woke up by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      I could see the Johnnycab being the nightmare of a Borg that has finally passed out after 76 hours of straight Starcraft playing as Protoss. Kind of like the opposite of a dragoon.

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    7. Re:I woke up by Bengie · · Score: 2

      I've been lucid dreaming since I was 3. Had to learn to control my horrible nightmares. Gotten to the point that when I dream, I try to shut down the dream so I can sleep. I've dreamed nearly everything I've wanted to dream, and dragging out a dream just means I get less sleep.

    8. Re:I woke up by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      I"m the opposite.

      I LOVE to dream....even when not lucid, I remember a lot of my dreams after I wake up, and 99% of the time they are pleasant if not downright fun.

      I rarely have nightmare dreams....

      The worst of them is usually the "waiter nightmare", which is common with folks that worked in the food service business. It's funny that I still occasionally get them even though it has been decades since I was a youngster working in restaurants waiting tables and bartending while in school (I started washing dishes and busboy in HS, and in college and grad school, waited and bartended).

      Funny how that sticks with you. Was hard work, but I made great long term friends from those days, and I learned a lot about how to deal with the public and people in general, social skills.....but man, I'd not want to have to do it again.

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    9. Re:I woke up by Bengie · · Score: 1

      I haven't had a nightmare of any kind since I learned to lucid dream. As soon as a dream get anywhere near scary, I become god like. This is actually the problem I have with all of my dreams. I immediately become an unmatched all powerful being and instantly bored. The only way to drag it out is to think of ways to make the dream fun, but that takes too much effort.

      What's funny is the dream will keep trying to move forward, but I keep stopping it.

      The only times I don't interfere with the dream is when it has something to do with a hard problem I'm working on in the real world. I can tell while I'm dreaming when it has something to do with problem solving. Something a person or a thing that I see in my dream reminds me of the problem I am stuck on, like how you see someone's doppelganger and they remind you of someone you know. Every time this has happened, I had the answer to my problem in the morning.

      A recent development is like a person in my dream, who is part of the dream, yet somehow not. In the past, I day dreamed a lot and learned how to create persons in my dreams that I did not know what they were thinking. they always played a part of my dream, but I could not directly control them, I could only configure them. This has kind of returned, without any effort of my own, but they're in-between. Sometimes they'll narrate the dream in a way that's hilarious to me or even stop the dream and say something directly to me that is purely unexpected. Some of their witty remarks make for great stories at work that make other people laugh.

    10. Re:I woke up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I use my own purposely built Text Reading DJ to stack up content and every morning, if I'm home by 5:30, it preempts this list, scouring prescribed sites, adding articles that I haven't yet listened to. Nothing unusual in itself except that I drift to sleep and construct dreams in line with what text and music I'm hearing.

    11. Re:I woke up by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      Wait, isn't dreaming part of sleep? How does ending a dream get you more sleep?

      Asking in part because, as far as I can tell, my sleep is 100% dreams. I know they say that's not how it works, but it's been decades since I woke up and couldn't tell you what I had just been dreaming.

    12. Re:I woke up by Bengie · · Score: 1

      Depends on which type of dreams we're talking about. If you're talking about the kind you don't remember in any way, that's a normal part of the sleep cycle. If you're talking about lucid dreaming, that requires certain parts of the brain to be active, denying them the ability to rest.

    13. Re:I woke up by jtgd · · Score: 1

      I don't think they are referring to lucid dreaming, but rather that state you pass through as you fall asleep. We used to call it the Alpha State and would enter it intentionally. In lucid dreaming you are fully asleep.

      "the palm sensors could only do two states—on or off—even though the onset of sleep occurs as a gradual transition."

      Why not have them squeeze a rubber bulb and measure the pressure?

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  4. AI sees, AI does. by devslash0 · · Score: 2

    That's why I told them not to show The Matrix to AI. AI sees, AI does.

  5. BWOOOOOOONG by enjar · · Score: 1

    I hope nobody tries to steal my dreams.

  6. I always dream of naked family members by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I was introduced to this phenomenon through Kurzweil's book "How to create a mind". He claims that the brain is massively parallelized pattern recognition machine, with consciousness being a censor that filters results. While in hypnagogia, this censoring function is suppressed and you are able to make "unthinkable" connections between ideas you normally think are unrelated. Of course, you should just take notes of these connections and later evaluate them rationally to see if they have any merit. It's very exciting that technology might be able to prolong and enhance this creative state of mind.

    1. Re:I always dream of naked family members by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While in hypnagogia, this censoring function is suppressed and you are able to make "unthinkable" connections between ideas you normally think are unrelated. Of course, you should just take notes of these connections and later evaluate them rationally to see if they have any merit. It's very exciting that technology might be able to prolong and enhance this creative state of mind.

      The reason for that filtering is that 99.99999% of those "unthinkable" connections are total crap.

      You can get a similar disconnected and "creative" state by consuming THC.

      Go ahead, smoke a bowl, then write down all the incredibly insightful "creative" stuff you come up with.

      When you sober up, read that paper. Throw it away without being too hard on yourself.

      Source: Life experience (been there, done that).

    2. Re:I always dream of naked family members by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That happened to me when the doc gave me some medications to reduce my calcium levels. That stuff grabs onto every metal ion in your body, even those used for brain function. It's like turning up the signal gain on the neurons in your brain like a sound-system with an amplifier (can almost hear those loudspeakers powering up suddenly).

      I'd get panic attacks over simple things. I'd read a letter telling me the roads would be closed due to replacing a water main. I'd worry about whether I could drive out to get to work. Common sense would tell me that the road would be left open. As it happened I took a taxi home once and it was the taxi driver who panicked about the road being closed off.

      Neurons in the brain represent a semantic network of words, sounds, pictures and concepts arranged like a wikipedia dictionary. Everything from maps of cities to professional knowledge (car mechanics remember the sounds of a healthy engine and a faulty engine as well as recognising every spare part for every model of car).

      Always wondered whether something like that couldn't be done with those Mathematics wikipedias. Enter two concepts, and the search algorithm like A* would find the shortest path between those two concepts.

  7. "Forks are colonalism" by cfalcon · · Score: 2

    The article allllllmost gets through itself without going into politics, but out of the all the examples in the infinite noosphere this machine is meant to probe, the one that made the cut was the phrase "forks are colonialism".
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    “I asked him about it when he woke up,” Horowitz told me. “He said, ‘Oh at home I eat food with my hands and here I have a sharp, cold metal instrument that I use to stab the food that goes into me. I guess it has a colonial energy.’
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    The idea of hypnagogia exploitation is interesting, but if all we're going to get is postmodern poetry fragments that decry 2400 year old eating instruments, maybe our thought leaders should stick to microdosing LSD for ideas.

    1. Re:"Forks are colonalism" by Jeremi · · Score: 2

      Different people dream about different things.

      Most of what people dream about is silly or irrelevant, even with respect to their own life. Occasionally there might be a nugget of insight that is relevant to the dreamer, but if you're hoping to get something useful to you from somebody else's unconscious, you're just setting yourself up for disappointment.

      OTOH, if you were simply offended by Horowitz' subconscious assessment of forks, and felt the need to go on the record about that, then I think there is nothing more to discuss here.

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    2. Re:"Forks are colonalism" by cfalcon · · Score: 1

      It's not the anonymous subject's assessment of forks that is silly, it's that it was the ONLY hypnagogic element that managed to pass the filters of both Horowitz (the relaying researcher) and Oberhaus (the article writer), and get reported in the article. A million ideas, but the Critical Theory one is the one that bubbles up?

      This is being peddled as a way to increase creativity and by extension help the world in some fashion, hence its write-up on motherboard and article on slashdot, and presumably also hence its funding at MIT. Everyone reading this is hoping it lets someone solve a problem of a thousand generations, not conflate Roman utensils with out-of-fashion actions of certain select European states in the nineteenth century.

    3. Re:"Forks are colonalism" by CSMoran · · Score: 1

      maybe our thought leaders should stick to microdosing LSD for ideas.

      Actually the hypnagogic state is more akin to a dissociative experience than to a psychedelic.

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  8. Well that explains a lot... by bobbied · · Score: 2

    There are some impossibly crazy folks in this world. Can we PLEASE stop this crazy train? I'm ready to wake up now!

    Captcha.. It's only a dream.... A bad dream...

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    "File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
  9. Cynical me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd get excited about this, except that I just know the first two questions that various important groups will ask are "How can we make money from this?" and "How can this be weaponized?"

    1. Re:Cynical me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      easy:

      1. Publish a book about it and sell the method/device as a self help solution.

      2. Have some portion fo your office corps use the method/device and evaluate changes to their perfomance in war games. If perfomance improves consider widespread deployment. if it doesn't claim it did but only after embellishing the actual procedure to add additional expensive/counter productive steps/equipment, maybe you'll get lucky and an enemy will wast resources on something unless or sabotage themselves by inadvertently worsening sleep deprivation of their own people. Bonus points if you use the budget for more of the devices to hide some more directly useful black project.

  10. Digital LSD. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This state is characterized by vivid hallucinations and microdreams

    Sort of the brain's version of LSD.

    the contents of these microdreams can be manipulated with the system

    Which can be controlled better than drugs, cheaper too, and no DEA to worry about.

  11. Weird Part of Sleep by DatbeDank · · Score: 1

    I always see all sort of weird and vivid images at that time of sleep. I sometimes hear and have conversations with some beings.

    Doubly so, those beings always ruin my path to sleep by forcing me to wake up. I'd like to give them a piece of my mind for doing so!

  12. This already exists. by Type44Q · · Score: 1

    This is already a thing.

  13. Obligatory Futurama by Nidi62 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Leela: Didn't you have ads in the 21st century?"

    Fry: Well sure, but not in our dreams. Only on TV and radio, and in magazines, and movies, and at ball games... and on buses and milk cartons and t-shirts, and bananas and written on the sky. But not in dreams, no siree.

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    1. Re:Obligatory Futurama by Jason+Levine · · Score: 2

      This reply brought to you by Lightspeed Briefs!

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    2. Re:Obligatory Futurama by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

      Shut up and take my money!

  14. Dreaming... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My dreams are more fun than real life. Last night I dreamed I was wandering around a place like Ocean City and at one point I knocked some guy with a porn stash in a pogo stick suit off a window and he bounced off grumbling at me as I was trying to get away from giant brain crabs overrunning the city. The best part about those kinds of dreams for me is I know the monsters are fake and it's like a game of tag but I still enjoy getting chased. The worst part is waking up however cause it usually happens when the pretty girl tries to give me a kiss. I think I get to excited from that and it hastens the wake up process.

  15. Old Hag by Dutchmaan · · Score: 0

    I was sleeping last night and my cat jumped up on my chest and sat down.. and I remember thinking, I wonder if this is where the "old hag" vision comes from. (A creature that sits on your chest usually accompanied by a feeling of severe panic like you're going to die) Someone in a state of dreamy hallucination with a cat on their chest could easily invoke that image.

    1. Re:Old Hag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're dreaming of an "Old Hag", the cat is doing it wrong. You're supposed to dream of getting up and preparing the cat an all-you-can-eat buffet of wet food, catnip, and tuna.

      "At the sound of the 'meow', you will wake up and actually prepare these things." "Meow!"

      "Honey, why are you snacking on wet cat food and feeding nachos to the cat?"

    2. Re:Old Hag by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      I was sleeping last night and my cat jumped up on my chest and sat down.. and I remember thinking, I wonder if this is where the "old hag" vision comes from. (A creature that sits on your chest usually accompanied by a feeling of severe panic like you're going to die) Someone in a state of dreamy hallucination with a cat on their chest could easily invoke that image.

      That's actually a sign of sleep paralysis. Sleep paralysis comes with a sensation of something pressing on your chest as well as hallucinations of something on you or in the room. According to wikipedia it's surprisingly common, but rarely occurs regularly. Supposedly it can be really terrifying.

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  16. System for Dream Control = systemd by jfdavis668 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Is this an escalation of the conspiracy?

  17. Re:I always dream by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FYI: You're old enough to go get naked with someone that's not a family member. After you've done that, you'll probably stop dreaming about that time you saw your mom or sister in the bathroom.

  18. Comment by WallyL · · Score: 4, Funny

    I read the title as, "MIT Researchers Developed a 'Systemd for Dream Control'" and thought, "Oh, great. Now they're ruining dreams too! Systemctl stop nightmare.service"

    1. Re:Comment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Poettering just fucks up things that are fine, this would involve developing something new.

  19. The Dream Police by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Dream Police they live inside of my head.
    The Dream Police they come to me in my bed.
    The Dream Police they're coming to arrest me, OH NO!!

    [Cheap Trick as prophecy]

    1. Re:The Dream Police by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      Absolutely the first thing I thought of.

  20. Visualize your dream by KlomDark · · Score: 1

    Record it in the present tense. You won't rely on open eyes to see, the walls you built within come tumbling down, and a new world will begin. Living twice at once you learn you're safe from pain in the dream domain - A soul set free to fly!

    It's a place where you will learn, to face your fears, retrace the years, and ride the whims of your mind. Put it into a permanent form: If you persist in your efforts, you can achieve dream control. Commanding in another world, suddenly, you hear and see, this magic new dimension. A round trip journey in your head, Master of illusion, can you realize, your dream's alive, you can be the guide.

  21. Inception by Stonent1 · · Score: 2

    Time to really mess with their minds, Inception style.