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More Than 1 Million Kids Had Their Identities Stolen in 2017 (nypost.com)

More than 1 million children were victims of identity fraud in 2017, a new study from Javelin Strategy & Research found, costing a total of $2.6 billion. From a report: With limited financial history or existing account activity, children are the most likely to become victims of new-account fraud, the research showed. These attacks can occur before children even become active internet users, with some two-thirds of victims being under the age of eight. The overall numbers are likely even higher, said Al Pascual, research director at Javelin said, since their study relied on parents and guardians reporting cases of identity theft. In many cases, the parent or another relative may be the one using a child's identity to start a new account.

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  1. millenial parents are at fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    for recording and posting every moment of their kids lives on the internet, the kids never asked for that

    1. Re:millenial parents are at fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True, and as internet never forgets, the kids can not un-publish their own lives when they grow up.

    2. Re:millenial parents are at fault by bondsbw · · Score: 2

      Or health insurers who require enough data to clone your kids, but can't adequately secure their data warehouses.

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    3. Re:millenial parents are at fault by jeff4747 · · Score: 2

      Yes, damn me for giving Blue Cross my children's Social Security numbers and a host of other information, as they demanded in order to insure us. Totally my fault they turned out to have shitty security. :eyeroll:

    4. Re:millenial parents are at fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      just give them a free day pass to westworld

    5. Re:millenial parents are at fault by FormOfActionBanana · · Score: 1

      I am not faulting your parenting - but in my case I refused to order a SSN for my daughter. She can apply for one when, and if, she feels she needs one when she gets her first job.

      I wonder if this is feasible for many people? Probably not, as you need their SSN to claim them on taxes.

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    6. Re: millenial parents are at fault by eyegone · · Score: 1

      Also required to get a passport.

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    7. Re: millenial parents are at fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it is not. If you have never been issued a number there is no number to report. The State Department reports the number to Treasury and the IRS but it is not required to have a number in order to get a passport.

    8. Re: millenial parents are at fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Untrue.

    9. Re:millenial parents are at fault by jeff4747 · · Score: 0

      Take a moment to think about this.

      What is required to apply for an SSN? What information was stolen from Blue Cross?

      Golly, they stole the information needed to apply for an SSN. So not having an SSN does not help.

  2. To what end? by alvinrod · · Score: 1

    Is there any particular reason to go after a child's identity? It's not as though it's useful for opening a line of credit or anything like that. About the only reasons I can think of is to serve as chaff or a distraction for more targeted activities, because it's an automated process that doesn't know any better and is only doing so for some kind of click fraud to make the clicks seem more legitimate, or because the competition for private grade schools has grown much more fierce and if one person steal the other parent's children's identities they can sign those children up for gay vegan white nationalist hate groups or some such thing that will guarantee that their own spawn has a better chance of getting into the school.

    1. Re:To what end? by iggymanz · · Score: 2

      actually yes, children's SS numbers are in fact used to establish lines of credit by identity thieves. And to get utilities and rental contracts. Also identities are used to get government benefits

    2. Re:To what end? by Sarten-X · · Score: 2

      A minor's identity is a blank slate.

      No arrests, no bad credit, no legal troubles in another state... It's a fresh start to adult life, just as soon as that identity turns 18 and stops raising the real big red flags on background checks. Usually for a job or credit account, the person running the check isn't actually dealing with the fraudster, so they're unlikely to notice that the guy who clearly looks middle-aged is claiming to be 20.

      Unfortunately, the other common case is that it's often parents who honestly don't think they're doing anything wrong. They screwed up their own credit, but now they think they've learned their lesson, and since it's their own kid, the parents think they're doing good for the child, establishing credit history early. Then they often slip into old habits, thinking they have lots of time to pay back the credit and fix their kid's rating before the kid actually needs it. Then they forget the account altogether, and the kid is screwed.

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    3. Re:To what end? by alvinrod · · Score: 1

      Why the hell would anyone allow a 4 year old to open a line of credit? They can't possibly consent to such a thing and there's no good reason to allow it. Any financial institution foolish enough to give out credit without doing proper due diligence deserves to get stuck with the bad debt, not the unwitting child. If a bank wants to go after that parents or whoever was responsible, that's on them.

    4. Re:To what end? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Why the hell would anyone allow a 4 year old to open a line of credit

      I think a very limited amount of research would be needed to reveal that large numbers of lines of credit have been opened for cats, goldfish, and most definitely, to my certain knowledge, goats (complete with photographic ID).

      Due diligence is on a par with due negligence in a very large number of financial institutions, but, thankfully, the auditors are there to cover their asses.

      I think that a Dillinger is long overdue! (or, perhaps, Derringer).

    5. Re:To what end? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      In a few years you have a clean usable ID to sell.
      No party political work history.
      No failed tests, bad credit, rent history, tax and education records.
      No having worked for the gov, as a contractor. No strange university education, job to have to cover for.
      Its a clean ID that can be sold and shaped by a new owner.
      A fake ID with another persons history gets complex and is in too many databases.
      Too wealthy, too poor, too many debts, unexpected encounters with the police? Governments and brands looking at a person for loans, tax issues, their past work.
      A new ID with a new simple day job and a simple tax return can allow a person with a new ID to hide.

      Many decades ago birth certificates at a correct year provided a nice way to get a real passport years later in some nations.
      Great for spy work and people needing a short time in a nation for one task with perfect paperwork. Until national and international computer networks shared more data about each and every citizen.

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    6. Re:To what end? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      That fully legal and working nations ID has value later to illegal migrants and international students looking to "work".
      As long as the date of birth adds up years later thats a part time job for a non citizen working illegally in a nation under a citizens name.
      Thats a working ID, full bank account and way to never get a tax problem when getting a wage. Wage goes in, cash comes out clean.
      Use it for a job for a while, buy a new ID again.

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    7. Re:To what end? by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      It is not identity theft, it is credit fraud and the idiot who accepted the fake identity should be prosecuted unless they can prove someone did provide a fake identity. The person who accept the fake identity is solely responsible for that failure to accurately confirm identity and should be liable for all harm and suffering caused to the person they cheated. The credit companies just waffle this shit, to shift liability and proof of innocence to the person whose identity was used, rather than the idiot who accepted the false indemnity and the credit companies for failure to provide proper security methods in place, to cheap and greedy.

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    8. Re:To what end? by parkinglot777 · · Score: 1

      It is not identity theft, it is credit fraud and the idiot who accepted the fake identity should be prosecuted unless they can prove someone did provide a fake identity. The person who accept the fake identity is solely responsible for that failure to accurately confirm identity and should be liable for all harm and suffering caused to the person they cheated. The credit companies just waffle this shit, to shift liability and proof of innocence to the person whose identity was used, rather than the idiot who accepted the false indemnity and the credit companies for failure to provide proper security methods in place, to cheap and greedy.

      Then why not just make both of them at fault instead of pointing your finger to just one? Shouldn't identity thief be at fault and the idiots who accepted and approved the fake identity be at fault as well?

    9. Re:To what end? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good luck getting the person who is owed money to agree with that

    10. Re:To what end? by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      wrong, a persons identity is first needed to commit the fraud.

  3. 3.7 billion on the internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    fuck off if you can't fix stupid

  4. you moron!!!! You idiot!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    read the fucking summary, imbecile, your question is answered right fucking there!!!!!!

    FUCK

  5. Re:you moron!!!! You idiot!!!! by alvinrod · · Score: 2
    I'm not quite sure what you mean. The summary states:

    The overall numbers are likely even higher, said Al Pascual, research director at Javelin said, since their study relied on parents and guardians reporting cases of identity theft. In many cases, the parent or another relative may be the one using a child's identity to start a new account.

    That indicates to me that the exact numbers are hard to arrive at because of confounding factors. One is that it relies on self-reporting which may not accurately allow researchers to determine the real extent of the issue. The other is that the parents in their capacity as legal guardians may be creating the accounts for the child in which case it may be difficult to classify as identity theft. In some circumstances this is a legal requirement since children under a certain age are prohibited from having an account without some kind of parental permission or oversight.

    What I was getting at is trying to understand for what purpose anyone would steal a child's identity, which I don't believe the summary explains. The article provides some clarification to this point, that in 33% of cases a family friend is signing someone up for an account that they don't want, but doesn't indicate what the other 66% of cases are for. If lines of credit are being opened under a child's name, there's a bigger problem than just identity theft. Maybe that's possible and I'm simply under the misinformed impression that financial institutions were doing any kind of due diligence.

  6. Parent ^ THIS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I actually have to deal with PARENTS who have stolen their OWN children's identities to get more credit or some other benefits.

    It's because our banking/debt system is fucked up. That is all.

    Now getting government benefits, that's a different story. We're on the look out for it. And we've insulted waaaay too many honest people.

    Let me tell you something you Libertarians/Conservatives - No one is ever happy about sitting on their ass and collecting a gubberment check. They may FAKE it to seem "smart", but it's a kick in the ego to be dependent on the handouts.

    How do _I_ know?!

    Been there - on both sides.

    I have never been so dehumanized.

    I used to be a six figure developer and then....some how...everything went to shit. I was just doing my job, learning EVERY goddamn tech and then, "Sorry, you're uninvested."

    HR has great ways of saying you're fired. ..... Why are they always smoking hot white chicks and fat black women?

    Anyways, I thought my skilz would mean something, ....

    And they didn't.

    Unless you have EXACTLY what's on the laundry list, you suck.

    "Uh Sorry, we want a network engineer who invented TCP/IP on a mountaintop in the Alps."

    My point is that whenever I see ANY hiring company complain that they can't get anyone, I am incredulous.

    1. Re:Parent ^ THIS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, thanks. I thought other peoeple weren't just like you.

    2. Re:Parent ^ THIS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


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    3. Re:Parent ^ THIS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    4. Re:Parent ^ THIS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    5. Re:Parent ^ THIS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "while he laughs his fat ass off at YouTube"

      Why would you be laughing at YouTube, you inbred mongoloid?

    6. Re:Parent ^ THIS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why are you calling yourself an inbred mongoloid, Chris?

    7. Re:Parent ^ THIS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess Chris is finally learning to accept reality and face facts.

    8. Re:Parent ^ THIS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess Chris is finally learning to accept reality and face facts.

      He already has. That's why he can laugh at himself — and the fifth grade creimertards — on YouTube. People who can laugh at themselves are happier than people who can't laugh at themselves.

    9. Re:Parent ^ THIS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But not as healthy as people who laugh at you, Chubby Checker!

  7. sadly humans fail, not systems by tirnacopu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Anecdotal story: me, 40 year old, fully employed for as long as I can remember, show up at a bank's desk, get rejected from various offers because of what I'm being told is "not enough history". How the hell does a 18 old get anything but a lollipop?

    1. Re:sadly humans fail, not systems by jeff4747 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Not all lenders have strict standards.

      For example, most "finance your new car here!" dealers will accept anyone with a pulse, and about half of the people without one.

    2. Re:sadly humans fail, not systems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not everything that can ding your credit is like getting a loan from a bank. Think utility accounts, cell phone service, etc. I have a friend of a friend whose mother used her ID for so many things, her credit is wrecked. It's so bad, she can't even get financial aid for college (before that I had never heard of someone having such a poor credit score they couldn't get a student loan). She also admitted to the credit bureaus that she knew who used her information but won't file police reports because it's family. So this research isn't entirely surprising to me.

    3. Re:sadly humans fail, not systems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cause they aren't getting a bank loan. Usually it is because the power is shut off...I bet you got your power turned on despite 'no credit' however. Utility just wants a name that doesn't owe them money.

      Same problem except at 50 :)
      I now see the problem with holding on to my last car for 15 years...that was the only real credit entry too :/

    4. Re:sadly humans fail, not systems by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Because for an 18 year old, "no credit history" is normal. For a 40 year old, it is not. If you are 40, and have no history of using credit, then you are likely an eccentric weirdo and a bad risk. So you have no CC, no mortgage, no car payments, and you prepay your utilities?

    5. Re:sadly humans fail, not systems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it's less about "you're a credit risk" and more about "we probably won't make any money off of you"

      If you didn't need any consumer credit for the first 40 years of your life, chances are probably good that you're not an impulsive moron who is gonna let your balance accrue that sweet, sweet usurious credit card interest for the bank to take. The banks aren't running a charity after all.

  8. Banks and others are negligent by davidwr · · Score: 1

    Banks and others are being negligent when they offer loans and other contracts to people they know are minors.

    The first thing they should be asking for is proof of emancipation or a parent or guardian's signature.

    Second, because of the amount of fraud involved, they need to do some "due diligence" in verifying the emancipation order is legit or verifying the purported parent's signatures are legit.

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    1. Re:Banks and others are negligent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but that gets in the way of sales.

  9. Parents Re:Banks and others are negligent by davidwr · · Score: 2

    Replying to my own post before others say "parents:"

    Parents committing fraud will be very difficult to detect until the child/victim discovers it on his own.

    How can a bank tell the difference between a kid opening a credit card at his parent's urging so he can build up a credit history, and a parent opening the same account for fraudulent purposes? It is difficult or impossible without a personal interview, which isn't something most banks are going to do for your average consumer account.

    But as for other perpetrators - banks should be diligent about authenticating the child-applicant as well as the parent/legal guardians who are signing the documents and about authenticating that they really are the parents or legal guardians.

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    1. Re:Parents Re:Banks and others are negligent by jeff4747 · · Score: 1

      How can a bank tell the difference between a kid opening a credit card at his parent's urging so he can build up a credit history

      By noticing the kid is less than 18 years old.

      Banks should not be attempting to sign contracts with minors.

  10. Re:you moron!!!! You idiot!!!! by suutar · · Score: 2

    A child's identity has no good history, but it has no bad history either, so it's suitable for, oh, getting utility services, or low-limit credit cards, or maybe a low-value loan with collateral, like a used car. Stuff that we typically expect college students who've just moved away from their parents to need to do.

  11. Re:you moron!!!! You idiot!!!! by suutar · · Score: 2

    as to due diligence, if the SSN has no history, then the credit bureaus will have no data attached to it. So the financial institution has no basis to decide that the applicant isn't the holder of the SSN, unless they're really on the ball and demand both a photo ID and the SSN card itself, and refuse to accept discrepancies in the name... which is rare.

  12. rusty shackleford by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    No rusty shackleford is the one with all the bad loans and not dale gribble or dale's dead bug

  13. Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We currently have 3rd generation welfare recipients where they never had a job, their parents never had a job, their grandparents never had a job.

    I have to call bullshit on your story. I refuse to believe 3 generations of a family were unable to find a job and support themselves at any point over a 50+ year period of time.

    It may not be the most common person on welfare, but it isn't isolated either.

  14. power,phone,TV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    yup, people start by using their kids ID to get utilities after they didn't pay the last bill. If the number doesn't show as an open account it works, no one cares or even knows who it is, just that they don't owe the utility company any money. Usually at some point they bail on those payments too and there is an account somewhere with an open balance in the kids name. Seen it.

  15. 2/3 of victims being under the age of eight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anybody that approves a credit line for a single digit minor should be responsible for the loss.

    How the hell can any institution approve credit to an 8 year old? The fact that they are ignoring the age means that they are not even doing basic verification.

  16. And... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...those same lenders will not report how well you were a good payer.

  17. Banks are woefully out of date by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1

    They could use technology far more intelligently, they could come up with far more intelligent rules. They could let customers choose more secure options but they don't, the banks are the enablers of fraud. They rely far too much on assuming that if someone supplies the right ID 1 time that the account is secure from there onwards.

    UK has chip and pin, yet the shops allowed the fraudster simply to verbally give card details, they asked for no ID, no card and gave the fraudster 100s worth of goods, unbelievable.

    Even when my account went 5x past my overdraft, they still allowed the odd purchases! I said to my bank, can you not allow purchases beyond my overdraft, they said I can't request that!!!!! Pure unadulterated stupidity, they deserve to be defrauded.

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    1. Re:Banks are woefully out of date by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      The protected "groups" in the community don't get advanced new banking services.
      No home loan, car loan, no bank account.
      Generations of poor people, illegal migrants get locked out of the normal banking sector that citizens enjoy.
      So the USA keeps its entry to loans and banking services open to all.
      The way around that is a document list that proves citizenship. Photo ID, passport, birth certificate, driver licence should all add up in parts to getting a bank account.

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  18. you dumb bitch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why the fuck is this here??

    your sutch a dumb ignorant bitch,, Know your audience or get the fuck out..

  19. bauaTOTC ? by BrianMarshall · · Score: 1

    So... Business As Usual and THINK OF THE CHILDREN ?

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    1. Re:bauaTOTC ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So... Business As Usual and THINK OF THE CHILDREN ?

      Is this a sarcastic joke or a troll post?

    2. Re:bauaTOTC ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sarcastic post. IMHO, it just seemed like another lame /. story... Bad things happen, sometimes to children, so you need to keep an eye on them, teach them basic safety stuff. Not news.

    3. Re:bauaTOTC ? by BrianMarshall · · Score: 1

      Sorry, should have logged for previous comment.

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      "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro" -- HST
  20. Your kids identity is being used by an illegal imm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In this respect we are exchanging out childrens future so that oligarchs can have access to cheap South American labor. We feed the dogs while out children starve.

    An immigrant adopts the language and culture of the host nation. An invader makes the conquered country adopt his culture and language. Know the difference. Mexicans do not want to be Americans. They want America to be Mexican. They will sell your children drugs and steal their identities until Your wives leave you and go to more virile stock that hasn't been cucolded by political correctness.

    Kindness in moderation is a virtue, but kindness to the point where you allow your enemy to spit on your flag and steal your children's future and identity is cowardness.

  21. Seen a lot of it by AlanObject · · Score: 1

    There is no telling how many unwashed fat 50-ish men are on the Internet posing as 14-year-old virgin girls.

    That's been going on since way back into the BBS days.

  22. Shit argument. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nobody likes McDonald's, either, because I personally find it to be disgusting low-tier trash, at the bottom of all fast food chains.

  23. Re:Your kids identity is being used by an illegal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In this respect we are exchanging out childrens [sic] future so that oligarchs can have access to cheap South American labor. We feed the dogs while out children starve.

    An immigrant adopts the language and culture of the host nation. An invader makes the conquered country adopt his culture and language. Know the difference. Mexicans do not want to be Americans. They want America to be Mexican. They will sell your children drugs and steal their identities until Your wives leave you and go to more virile stock that hasn't been cucolded [sic] by political correctness.

    Kindness in moderation is a virtue, but kindness to the point where you allow your enemy to spit on your flag and steal your children's future and identity is cowardness [sic].

    Typical ignorant who thinks that he/she knows everything. It is obvious. Besides, you are referring Mexico as south America. Seriously? You should seek education regardless where it from -- school or the Internet.

    First, majority of those illegal laborers who are using others' name do pay taxes but they CANNOT claim any taxes they paid into because it is not under their name. No, the thief can't and won't file tax return under the person's name because that could trigger authority. The bad thing for the person/kid being identity theft from this situation is that if the person/kid is also earning and paying taxes at the time this occurs, the person/kid may owe more taxes to IRS due to the unexpected income which may push above the current tax bracket.

    Second, because you are talking about illegal laborers, the name of identity must at least match the thief's physical appearance. Obvious American, Asian, or Indian names won't work. Filipino appearance, however, works because of the similarity in their general appearance. Thus, this would limit the identity theft from kids. Though, they work around the issue by using dead people names instead.

    Anyway, your comment shows that you discriminate all Hispanics (from Central + South America) very much. Even though some of them are illegal, that doesn't mean you can lump them all up together as illegal. This concept may not get to you though. I hope one day you will understand and at least start giving a benefit of the doubt first instead of making assumptions.

  24. Why don't you hate your parents? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your dad encouraged you to get into hard lowbrow work so he could brag to his friends that his son isn't a pussy. Plus they didn't even think to get your teeth fixed when someone knocked them out. No insurance, no lawsuits nothing. It's cool that he was completely unconcerned with the type of education you got in special ed. Learning to socialize from a bunch of abused and disabled kids... what kind of father is ok with that?
    Then your mom opens a credit card in your name. Fuck man that's foul junkie shit... ex-girlfriend shit. I can't believe someone's own fucking mother did that to them.

    Dude your parents are white trash and don't deserve the respect I sometimes hear you giving them. I'd desecrate someone's grave if they treated me like that. It's like the opposite of parenting. I would have filed that police report in a heartbeat and nailed it to the front door like fucking martin luther. If they were that useless in their prime you can probably find some way to 5250 the both of them into some piece of shit nursing home given they can only be yet even more dysfunctional. If they object be sure to mention how they've never been able to take care of themselves and use yourself as evidence.

    1. Re:Why don't you hate your parents? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you're a fifth grader?

    2. Re:Why don't you hate your parents? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are aware that having a passion gap is all the rage in South Africia?