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More Than 1 Million Kids Had Their Identities Stolen in 2017 (nypost.com)

More than 1 million children were victims of identity fraud in 2017, a new study from Javelin Strategy & Research found, costing a total of $2.6 billion. From a report: With limited financial history or existing account activity, children are the most likely to become victims of new-account fraud, the research showed. These attacks can occur before children even become active internet users, with some two-thirds of victims being under the age of eight. The overall numbers are likely even higher, said Al Pascual, research director at Javelin said, since their study relied on parents and guardians reporting cases of identity theft. In many cases, the parent or another relative may be the one using a child's identity to start a new account.

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  1. To what end? by alvinrod · · Score: 1

    Is there any particular reason to go after a child's identity? It's not as though it's useful for opening a line of credit or anything like that. About the only reasons I can think of is to serve as chaff or a distraction for more targeted activities, because it's an automated process that doesn't know any better and is only doing so for some kind of click fraud to make the clicks seem more legitimate, or because the competition for private grade schools has grown much more fierce and if one person steal the other parent's children's identities they can sign those children up for gay vegan white nationalist hate groups or some such thing that will guarantee that their own spawn has a better chance of getting into the school.

    1. Re:To what end? by iggymanz · · Score: 2

      actually yes, children's SS numbers are in fact used to establish lines of credit by identity thieves. And to get utilities and rental contracts. Also identities are used to get government benefits

    2. Re:To what end? by Sarten-X · · Score: 2

      A minor's identity is a blank slate.

      No arrests, no bad credit, no legal troubles in another state... It's a fresh start to adult life, just as soon as that identity turns 18 and stops raising the real big red flags on background checks. Usually for a job or credit account, the person running the check isn't actually dealing with the fraudster, so they're unlikely to notice that the guy who clearly looks middle-aged is claiming to be 20.

      Unfortunately, the other common case is that it's often parents who honestly don't think they're doing anything wrong. They screwed up their own credit, but now they think they've learned their lesson, and since it's their own kid, the parents think they're doing good for the child, establishing credit history early. Then they often slip into old habits, thinking they have lots of time to pay back the credit and fix their kid's rating before the kid actually needs it. Then they forget the account altogether, and the kid is screwed.

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    3. Re:To what end? by alvinrod · · Score: 1

      Why the hell would anyone allow a 4 year old to open a line of credit? They can't possibly consent to such a thing and there's no good reason to allow it. Any financial institution foolish enough to give out credit without doing proper due diligence deserves to get stuck with the bad debt, not the unwitting child. If a bank wants to go after that parents or whoever was responsible, that's on them.

    4. Re:To what end? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      In a few years you have a clean usable ID to sell.
      No party political work history.
      No failed tests, bad credit, rent history, tax and education records.
      No having worked for the gov, as a contractor. No strange university education, job to have to cover for.
      Its a clean ID that can be sold and shaped by a new owner.
      A fake ID with another persons history gets complex and is in too many databases.
      Too wealthy, too poor, too many debts, unexpected encounters with the police? Governments and brands looking at a person for loans, tax issues, their past work.
      A new ID with a new simple day job and a simple tax return can allow a person with a new ID to hide.

      Many decades ago birth certificates at a correct year provided a nice way to get a real passport years later in some nations.
      Great for spy work and people needing a short time in a nation for one task with perfect paperwork. Until national and international computer networks shared more data about each and every citizen.

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    5. Re:To what end? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      That fully legal and working nations ID has value later to illegal migrants and international students looking to "work".
      As long as the date of birth adds up years later thats a part time job for a non citizen working illegally in a nation under a citizens name.
      Thats a working ID, full bank account and way to never get a tax problem when getting a wage. Wage goes in, cash comes out clean.
      Use it for a job for a while, buy a new ID again.

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    6. Re:To what end? by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      It is not identity theft, it is credit fraud and the idiot who accepted the fake identity should be prosecuted unless they can prove someone did provide a fake identity. The person who accept the fake identity is solely responsible for that failure to accurately confirm identity and should be liable for all harm and suffering caused to the person they cheated. The credit companies just waffle this shit, to shift liability and proof of innocence to the person whose identity was used, rather than the idiot who accepted the false indemnity and the credit companies for failure to provide proper security methods in place, to cheap and greedy.

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    7. Re:To what end? by parkinglot777 · · Score: 1

      It is not identity theft, it is credit fraud and the idiot who accepted the fake identity should be prosecuted unless they can prove someone did provide a fake identity. The person who accept the fake identity is solely responsible for that failure to accurately confirm identity and should be liable for all harm and suffering caused to the person they cheated. The credit companies just waffle this shit, to shift liability and proof of innocence to the person whose identity was used, rather than the idiot who accepted the false indemnity and the credit companies for failure to provide proper security methods in place, to cheap and greedy.

      Then why not just make both of them at fault instead of pointing your finger to just one? Shouldn't identity thief be at fault and the idiots who accepted and approved the fake identity be at fault as well?

    8. Re:To what end? by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      wrong, a persons identity is first needed to commit the fraud.

  2. Re:you moron!!!! You idiot!!!! by alvinrod · · Score: 2
    I'm not quite sure what you mean. The summary states:

    The overall numbers are likely even higher, said Al Pascual, research director at Javelin said, since their study relied on parents and guardians reporting cases of identity theft. In many cases, the parent or another relative may be the one using a child's identity to start a new account.

    That indicates to me that the exact numbers are hard to arrive at because of confounding factors. One is that it relies on self-reporting which may not accurately allow researchers to determine the real extent of the issue. The other is that the parents in their capacity as legal guardians may be creating the accounts for the child in which case it may be difficult to classify as identity theft. In some circumstances this is a legal requirement since children under a certain age are prohibited from having an account without some kind of parental permission or oversight.

    What I was getting at is trying to understand for what purpose anyone would steal a child's identity, which I don't believe the summary explains. The article provides some clarification to this point, that in 33% of cases a family friend is signing someone up for an account that they don't want, but doesn't indicate what the other 66% of cases are for. If lines of credit are being opened under a child's name, there's a bigger problem than just identity theft. Maybe that's possible and I'm simply under the misinformed impression that financial institutions were doing any kind of due diligence.

  3. sadly humans fail, not systems by tirnacopu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Anecdotal story: me, 40 year old, fully employed for as long as I can remember, show up at a bank's desk, get rejected from various offers because of what I'm being told is "not enough history". How the hell does a 18 old get anything but a lollipop?

    1. Re:sadly humans fail, not systems by jeff4747 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Not all lenders have strict standards.

      For example, most "finance your new car here!" dealers will accept anyone with a pulse, and about half of the people without one.

    2. Re:sadly humans fail, not systems by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Because for an 18 year old, "no credit history" is normal. For a 40 year old, it is not. If you are 40, and have no history of using credit, then you are likely an eccentric weirdo and a bad risk. So you have no CC, no mortgage, no car payments, and you prepay your utilities?

  4. Banks and others are negligent by davidwr · · Score: 1

    Banks and others are being negligent when they offer loans and other contracts to people they know are minors.

    The first thing they should be asking for is proof of emancipation or a parent or guardian's signature.

    Second, because of the amount of fraud involved, they need to do some "due diligence" in verifying the emancipation order is legit or verifying the purported parent's signatures are legit.

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  5. Re:millenial parents are at fault by bondsbw · · Score: 2

    Or health insurers who require enough data to clone your kids, but can't adequately secure their data warehouses.

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  6. Parents Re:Banks and others are negligent by davidwr · · Score: 2

    Replying to my own post before others say "parents:"

    Parents committing fraud will be very difficult to detect until the child/victim discovers it on his own.

    How can a bank tell the difference between a kid opening a credit card at his parent's urging so he can build up a credit history, and a parent opening the same account for fraudulent purposes? It is difficult or impossible without a personal interview, which isn't something most banks are going to do for your average consumer account.

    But as for other perpetrators - banks should be diligent about authenticating the child-applicant as well as the parent/legal guardians who are signing the documents and about authenticating that they really are the parents or legal guardians.

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    1. Re:Parents Re:Banks and others are negligent by jeff4747 · · Score: 1

      How can a bank tell the difference between a kid opening a credit card at his parent's urging so he can build up a credit history

      By noticing the kid is less than 18 years old.

      Banks should not be attempting to sign contracts with minors.

  7. Re:millenial parents are at fault by jeff4747 · · Score: 2

    Yes, damn me for giving Blue Cross my children's Social Security numbers and a host of other information, as they demanded in order to insure us. Totally my fault they turned out to have shitty security. :eyeroll:

  8. Re:you moron!!!! You idiot!!!! by suutar · · Score: 2

    A child's identity has no good history, but it has no bad history either, so it's suitable for, oh, getting utility services, or low-limit credit cards, or maybe a low-value loan with collateral, like a used car. Stuff that we typically expect college students who've just moved away from their parents to need to do.

  9. Re:you moron!!!! You idiot!!!! by suutar · · Score: 2

    as to due diligence, if the SSN has no history, then the credit bureaus will have no data attached to it. So the financial institution has no basis to decide that the applicant isn't the holder of the SSN, unless they're really on the ball and demand both a photo ID and the SSN card itself, and refuse to accept discrepancies in the name... which is rare.

  10. rusty shackleford by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    No rusty shackleford is the one with all the bad loans and not dale gribble or dale's dead bug

  11. Banks are woefully out of date by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1

    They could use technology far more intelligently, they could come up with far more intelligent rules. They could let customers choose more secure options but they don't, the banks are the enablers of fraud. They rely far too much on assuming that if someone supplies the right ID 1 time that the account is secure from there onwards.

    UK has chip and pin, yet the shops allowed the fraudster simply to verbally give card details, they asked for no ID, no card and gave the fraudster 100s worth of goods, unbelievable.

    Even when my account went 5x past my overdraft, they still allowed the odd purchases! I said to my bank, can you not allow purchases beyond my overdraft, they said I can't request that!!!!! Pure unadulterated stupidity, they deserve to be defrauded.

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    1. Re:Banks are woefully out of date by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      The protected "groups" in the community don't get advanced new banking services.
      No home loan, car loan, no bank account.
      Generations of poor people, illegal migrants get locked out of the normal banking sector that citizens enjoy.
      So the USA keeps its entry to loans and banking services open to all.
      The way around that is a document list that proves citizenship. Photo ID, passport, birth certificate, driver licence should all add up in parts to getting a bank account.

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  12. bauaTOTC ? by BrianMarshall · · Score: 1

    So... Business As Usual and THINK OF THE CHILDREN ?

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    1. Re:bauaTOTC ? by BrianMarshall · · Score: 1

      Sorry, should have logged for previous comment.

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  13. Seen a lot of it by AlanObject · · Score: 1

    There is no telling how many unwashed fat 50-ish men are on the Internet posing as 14-year-old virgin girls.

    That's been going on since way back into the BBS days.

  14. Re:millenial parents are at fault by FormOfActionBanana · · Score: 1

    I am not faulting your parenting - but in my case I refused to order a SSN for my daughter. She can apply for one when, and if, she feels she needs one when she gets her first job.

    I wonder if this is feasible for many people? Probably not, as you need their SSN to claim them on taxes.

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  15. Re: millenial parents are at fault by eyegone · · Score: 1

    Also required to get a passport.

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